Never tell me America is racist: An open letter to protesters

[AzogtheDefiler]

That's not how racism works in 2020 and you know it.

Are you telling me that racism should work in only the ways YOU want it to?

Is that what I'm getting?

Looks to me like he is telling you that you have no clue about racism.

Hardly. And you assume you know everything about it because of your skin color?

How idiotic.

Turn black and live 5 years then tell us how much we don't know.

Aint that some shit though? How in the hell is he going to tell us we dont know what racism is?

Waaaa racism waaaa racism... you cry like a little baby. LOL. This is fun.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Never tell me America is racist.

Do you see how many white people are protesting with you? Do you see how many white cops are showing solidarity with you?

NEVER tell me America is racist.

Ask any black person who lived during the civil rights era. They didn't have white support, if they did, it was minimal support at most. They did not have a broad coalition of support you do now in the 1950s and '60s.

Not only do you have the support of hundreds of millions of white people all across America, but the WHOLE WORLD has also come to stand behind you. I will stand behind you.

But never tell me America is racist.

Hate to break it to you....America is racist. Its even in the original document used to form it.

Hence the amendments abolishing slavery passed later. Of course slavery should never have been brought to this country in the first place.

Slavery was abolished and Jim Crow took its place.

And Jim Crow is gone as well.

And now we have the New Jim Crow. So your racism simply dons another uniform but its always there.

Da fuq is this "New Jim Crow" bullshit?
Your racism has driven you mad.

Educate yourself It will do wonders for your intelligence.

You made the claim, fucker. Prove it!

Google is your friend old tymer.

Fuck off. You can't back what you claim up, so your claim is anulled. Next!

There is no "New Jim Crow."

You better stop using curse words before you crack your dentures or pull a muscle in your back old tymer.

He is the same age as you, old man. LOL. Dumbass.

 

[TemplarKormac]

That's not how racism works in 2020 and you know it.

Are you telling me that racism should work in only the ways YOU want it to?

Is that what I'm getting?

Looks to me like he is telling you that you have no clue about racism.

Hardly. And you assume you know everything about it because of your skin color?

How idiotic.

Turn black and live 5 years then tell us how much we don't know.

I lived 3 miles from the projects. 'Pauldoe' is was called. Every few months there seemed to be an incident there involving people firing off guns or getting into fights or doing drugs. This was a thing for a better part of 20 years. Almost every time I would ride past that area with my grandmother, there were cop cars going in and out of the place. A great deal of the blacks in my city lived there.

I also went to school with a black girl that lived there. I distinctly remember one day fifteen years ago on the bus home her telling me how afraid she was, not of the cops, but of the violence and the drug dealing going on there, and she wanted to move away so badly, but her parents could not afford a mortgage.

I know all about it. I've gotten first hand testimony.

See, even as a teenager, I made efforts to educate myself about what racism is and isn't.

And it is clearly evident to me you know nothing about racism. Period. Full stop.

 

[IM2]

That's not how racism works in 2020 and you know it.

Are you telling me that racism should work in only the ways YOU want it to?

Is that what I'm getting?

Looks to me like he is telling you that you have no clue about racism.

Hardly. And you assume you know everything about it because of your skin color?

How idiotic.

Well yeah. I'm Black and have to deal with it daily. You never deal with it being white.

Yes, because I make an effort to obey the law.

You? You're advocating violence against people who hold different ideas and political views than you.

You think the rioting, looting, killing, and destruction of property are all justified expressions of discontent with the police.

Spare me.

He just showed you who he is. He hates being black and it’s everyone else’s fault. Sad, really.

I don't think he hates himself because he's black.

He simply hates me because I'm white.

Since you guys love repeating Malcolm X:

No, I think that the guilt complex of the American white man is so profound, until when you begin to analyze the real condition of the Black man in America, instead of the American white man eliminating the causes that create that condition, he tries to cover it up by accusing his accusers of teaching hate, but actually they're just exposing him for being responsible for what exists.

 

[Asclepias]

That's not how racism works in 2020 and you know it.

Are you telling me that racism should work in only the ways YOU want it to?

Is that what I'm getting?

Looks to me like he is telling you that you have no clue about racism.

Hardly. And you assume you know everything about it because of your skin color?

How idiotic.

Turn black and live 5 years then tell us how much we don't know.

I lived 3 miles from the projects. 'Pauldoe' is was called. Every few months there seemed to be an incident there involving people firing off guns or getting into fights or doing drugs. This was a thing for a better part of 20 years. A great deal of the blacks in my city lived there.

I also went to school with a black girl that lived there. I distinctly remember one day fifteen years ago on the bus home her telling me how afraid she was, not of the cops, but of the violence and the drug dealing going on there, and she wanted to move away so badly, but her parents could not afford a mortgage.

I know all about it. I've gotten first hand testimony.

See, even as a teenager, I made efforts to educate myself about what racism is and isn't.

And it is clearly evident to me you know nothing about racism. Period. Full stop.

" I know all about it. I've gotten first hand testimony. "

No dumbass you got testimony from a teenager about living in the ghetto. All Blacks dont live in the ghetto and not all Blacks in the ghetto fear living in the ghetto more than they fear the cops. This is the kind of silly shit clueless white people love to say. Its basically the same as saying "I have a Black friend". If you want some real first hand testimony, do like IM2 said and live as a Black person. I did. So that invalidates your first hand testimony. I lived it. You didnt. Period.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Temps first post " But never tell me America is racist. "

Temp after he confused himself:. " Of course, racism still exists in America "

Lol. You can't discern nuance, can you?

I think I hear what you're saying--that institutionally and ideologically, America is not racist. Our laws are fair. We do not discourage diversity. You acknowledge that some individuals are racist, though.

The only thing you're forgetting is that every single law, regulation and ideal actually is enacted by individuals. Otherwise, those laws would mean nothing. They have to be put into action by individuals. When those people are racist or even unconsciously believe that blacks are more dangerous, more suspect, than whites, it cannot be fair.

" I think I hear what you're saying--that institutionally and ideologically, America is not racist. "


I disagree even with that statement that Temp lacked the ability to articulate. There is systemic/institutional racism in the US. You cant have racism without the supporting ideology.

I'd really be interested if you would take a deeper dive into some of this. What is institutionally racist? Where has the justice system written it into policy? I'm not arguing with you, I'm asking for some specifics, because I don't know much about it. It is ridiculous for me to even try to defend BLM except on general principle, because I don't really understand what specifically they are asking for.

This is kind of starting in the middle and I'm not claiming to speak for Asclepias but this might give you some insight into the mindset of those during this era

"Convict Leasing and Chain Gangs

Bankrupt in the wake of the Civil War and faced with the difficult task of rebuilding and sustaining an infrastructure, Mississippi and other state governments turned to a familiar expedient to fund their penal institutions. In the late 1860s many southern prisons began leasing convicts to plantations and industries bereft of the cheap labor formerly supplied by slaves. As the majority of inmates were African American, this new form of compulsory labor helped to bridge the gap between the Black Codes and Jim Crow as a form of social control that embodied the common racial hierarchies in the South. Likewise, vagrancy laws criminalized the social mobility recently acquired by former slaves and produced a steady supply of bodies for the prison labor system.

Although prisoners in the convict lease system were used for a variety of arduous tasks from railroad construction to cutting timber, inmates in Mississippi worked primarily on large cotton plantations. Edward Richardson, a plantation owner who had lost his fortune in the Civil War, was perhaps the state’s greatest beneficiary of prison labor. The first to have a convict contract with the state, officials paid Richardson eighteen thousand dollars a year for “care” of the prisoners. With the added income from the profits of their labor, he eventually regained his wealth, setting an inspiring precedent for the southern business community.

After reaching its acme in the 1880s, the convict leasing era wound down as a consequence of accusations that too many affluent southerners had profited from the system and of moral indignation over the treatment of convicts. Inmates were forced to work dangerous jobs that free laborers refused to take and were subject to wanton physical punishment and severe deprivation, conditions that resulted in high death rates among the prison population. Outrage was further fueled by the fact that the state did not maintain separate facilities or mandate special treatment for children, and many were leased out under the system. Publicity regarding these deplorable realities led to a public outcry that forced Mississippi to abolish convict leasing in 1890, the first state to do so.

Individual counties, however, retained the right to use prison labor, and county-run chain gangs replaced convict labor in the early 1900s. Cuffed together at the ankle in small groups, prisoners were put to work expanding and repairing transportation routes as part of the Good Roads Movement, an urbanization effort aimed at increasing accessibility in the South. Though considered a troubling part of the past today, this use of convicts was generally championed in its time, and supporters, including the US Department of Agriculture, considered it an efficient and progressive way to both build roads and control criminals.

As with the convict lease system, most of the chain gang laborers were African Americans, who were thought to require a generous measure of discipline for proper “rehabilitation.” But convicts on county-run chain gangs often slept in cages and were subject to brutal corporal punishment and suffered from a host of debilitating ailments, including malnutrition, heatstroke, frostbite, contagious diseases, and shackle poisoning (infections caused by the constant rubbing of iron against the skin). Work songs helped to sustain morale and increase chances of survival, allowing prisoners to labor in a steady rhythm that could be slowed to protect the infirm or inefficient. As with the convict lease system, mounting public outrage resulted in bans on chain gangs nationwide by the mid-twentieth century.

Mississippi consolidated much of its convict labor force on Parchman Farm, a profitable and self-sustaining penal cotton plantation located on twenty thousand acres in the Yazoo Delta. Parchman was established in 1904 by Gov. James K. Vardaman, a proponent of prison reform who billed himself as a progressive and visionary but who regarded African Americans as mentally inferior and touted a paternalistic brand of racism that envisioned a pacified black population reconciled to subordinate social position.

• Written by Kathryn Radishofski, Columbia University "

Convict Leasing and Chain Gangs | Mississippi Encyclopedia

Notice how that is HISTORY and not common practice now.

 

[TemplarKormac]

No dumbass you got testimony from a teenager about living in the ghetto. All Blacks don't live in the ghetto and not all Blacks in the ghetto fear living in the ghetto more than they fear the cops.

I never said that.

On the other hand, you and people of your race must exist in a hive mind for you to seemingly know what every other black person in America thinks.

Spare me your drivel.

 

[TemplarKormac]

That's not how racism works in 2020 and you know it.

Are you telling me that racism should work in only the ways YOU want it to?

Is that what I'm getting?

Looks to me like he is telling you that you have no clue about racism.

Hardly. And you assume you know everything about it because of your skin color?

How idiotic.

Turn black and live 5 years then tell us how much we don't know.

Aint that some shit though? How in the hell is he going to tell us we dont know what racism is?

You don't, because you are ignorant of the racism that occurs to other races here and around the world.

YOU DON'T OWN THE ISSUE.

 

[IM2]

That's not how racism works in 2020 and you know it.

Are you telling me that racism should work in only the ways YOU want it to?

Is that what I'm getting?

Looks to me like he is telling you that you have no clue about racism.

Hardly. And you assume you know everything about it because of your skin color?

How idiotic.

Turn black and live 5 years then tell us how much we don't know.

I lived 3 miles from the projects. 'Pauldoe' is was called. Every few months there seemed to be an incident there involving people firing off guns or getting into fights or doing drugs. This was a thing for a better part of 20 years. A great deal of the blacks in my city lived there.

I also went to school with a black girl that lived there. I distinctly remember one day fifteen years ago on the bus home her telling me how afraid she was, not of the cops, but of the violence and the drug dealing going on there, and she wanted to move away so badly, but her parents could not afford a mortgage.

I know all about it. I've gotten first hand testimony.

See, even as a teenager, I made efforts to educate myself about what racism is and isn't.

And it is clearly evident to me you know nothing about racism. Period. Full stop.

No you don't have first hand anything. I'm black and have lived through several iterations of white racism. You're telling me the white boy tale about things. But 15 years ago you did not talk to black adults about their concerns relative to job opportunities for youth that would reduce crime and provide alternatives to drugs sales. That's the discussion I was having 15 years ago white boy, so shut your fucking mouth.

 

[Asclepias]

No dumbass you got testimony from a teenager about living in the ghetto. All Blacks don't live in the ghetto and not all Blacks in the ghetto fear living in the ghetto more than they fear the cops.

I never said that.

On the other hand, you and people of your race must exist in a hive mind for you to seemingly know what every other black person in America thinks.

Spare me you drivel.

Actually you did say that....." I also went to school with a black girl that lived there. "

You going to school with one Black person doesnt even begin to come close to making you knowledgeable about the life experiences of Black people as it relates to racism. To be honest I thought you were smarter than that. I'm very disappointed in you.

 

[IM2]

No dumbass you got testimony from a teenager about living in the ghetto. All Blacks don't live in the ghetto and not all Blacks in the ghetto fear living in the ghetto more than they fear the cops.

I never said that.

On the other hand, you and people of your race must exist in a hive mind for you to seemingly know what every other black person in America thinks.

Spare me you drivel.

And here we have the classic white rebuttal after the white person has deemed they are the only one capable of speaking for all black people.

 

[IM2]

No dumbass you got testimony from a teenager about living in the ghetto. All Blacks don't live in the ghetto and not all Blacks in the ghetto fear living in the ghetto more than they fear the cops.

I never said that.

On the other hand, you and people of your race must exist in a hive mind for you to seemingly know what every other black person in America thinks.

Spare me you drivel.

Actually you did say that....." I also went to school with a black girl that lived there. "

You going to school with one Black person doesnt even begin to come close to making you knowledgeable about the life experiences of Black people as it relates to racism. To be honest I thought you were smarter than that. I'm very disappointed in you.

You had to know he is an idiot because of the OP.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I know what is says but in practice only white land-owning adult males over the age of 18 were covered by our founding documents.

And over time, the documents were amended to include everyone of every race, age, and gender.

Why do you keep ignoring that?

It you take a shit sandwich and put olives on it, it's still a shit sandwich.

If you remove 25% of the shit, it's still a shit sandwich. Until you remove 100% of the shit, it will continue to still be a shit sandwich.

 

[Asclepias]

That's not how racism works in 2020 and you know it.

Are you telling me that racism should work in only the ways YOU want it to?

Is that what I'm getting?

Looks to me like he is telling you that you have no clue about racism.

Hardly. And you assume you know everything about it because of your skin color?

How idiotic.

Turn black and live 5 years then tell us how much we don't know.

Aint that some shit though? How in the hell is he going to tell us we dont know what racism is?

You don't, because you are ignorant of the racism that occurs to other races here and around the world.

YOU DON'T OWN THE ISSUE.

"YOU DON'T OWN THE ISSUE."
What issue?
"the racism that occurs to other races here and around the world."

The discussion isnt about who owns the issue. The discussion is about if it exists. You just admitted it exists. You lose the debate.

 

[Marion Morrison]

That's not how racism works in 2020 and you know it.

Are you telling me that racism should work in only the ways YOU want it to?

Is that what I'm getting?

Looks to me like he is telling you that you have no clue about racism.

Hardly. And you assume you know everything about it because of your skin color?

How idiotic.

Turn black and live 5 years then tell us how much we don't know.

Aint that some shit though? How in the hell is he going to tell us we dont know what racism is?

You don't, because you are ignorant of the racism that occurs to other races here and around the world.

YOU DON'T OWN THE ISSUE.

"YOU DON'T OWN THE ISSUE."
What issue?
"the racism that occurs to other races here and around the world."

The discussion isnt about who owns the issue. The discussion is about if it exists. You just admitted it exists. You lose the debate.

Racism exists in Africa. They drove out all the white farmers and are now starving.

Racism also exists between IM2 and Asslip's ears.

 

[IM2]

That's not how racism works in 2020 and you know it.

Are you telling me that racism should work in only the ways YOU want it to?

Is that what I'm getting?

Looks to me like he is telling you that you have no clue about racism.

Hardly. And you assume you know everything about it because of your skin color?

How idiotic.

Turn black and live 5 years then tell us how much we don't know.

Aint that some shit though? How in the hell is he going to tell us we dont know what racism is?

You don't, because you are ignorant of the racism that occurs to other races here and around the world.

YOU DON'T OWN THE ISSUE.

You damn sure don't. We are very aware of the racism whites have put on other people of color. But we don't believe in paternalism so we respect other races right to speak to the racism they face in the way they see fit. So here again, you display white fragility.

 

[TemplarKormac]

That's not how racism works in 2020 and you know it.

Are you telling me that racism should work in only the ways YOU want it to?

Is that what I'm getting?

Looks to me like he is telling you that you have no clue about racism.

Hardly. And you assume you know everything about it because of your skin color?

How idiotic.

Turn black and live 5 years then tell us how much we don't know.

I lived 3 miles from the projects. 'Pauldoe' is was called. Every few months there seemed to be an incident there involving people firing off guns or getting into fights or doing drugs. This was a thing for a better part of 20 years. A great deal of the blacks in my city lived there.

I also went to school with a black girl that lived there. I distinctly remember one day fifteen years ago on the bus home her telling me how afraid she was, not of the cops, but of the violence and the drug dealing going on there, and she wanted to move away so badly, but her parents could not afford a mortgage.

I know all about it. I've gotten first hand testimony.

See, even as a teenager, I made efforts to educate myself about what racism is and isn't.

And it is clearly evident to me you know nothing about racism. Period. Full stop.

No you don't have first hand anything. I'm black and have lived through several iterations of white racism. You're telling me the white boy tale about things. But 15 years ago you did not talk to black adults about their concerns relative to job opportunities for youth that would reduce crime and provide alternatives to drugs sales. That's the discussion I was having 15 years ago white boy, so shut your fucking mouth.

You don't know what I did.

MLK was and is still my role model. A BLACK MAN. Because he was smart enough to understand the injustice of racism and employ a dialogue with those who practiced it. He was assassinated for it, and for that, everyone who followed him disregarded urges for nonviolent dialogue and tore America apart in 1968. Just like how these protests initially began.

I will speak my mind, and you will listen (or don't, you can freely leave this thread any time you want to, O oppressed one.)

 

[Asclepias]

That's not how racism works in 2020 and you know it.

Are you telling me that racism should work in only the ways YOU want it to?

Is that what I'm getting?

Looks to me like he is telling you that you have no clue about racism.

Hardly. And you assume you know everything about it because of your skin color?

How idiotic.

Turn black and live 5 years then tell us how much we don't know.

I lived 3 miles from the projects. 'Pauldoe' is was called. Every few months there seemed to be an incident there involving people firing off guns or getting into fights or doing drugs. This was a thing for a better part of 20 years. A great deal of the blacks in my city lived there.

I also went to school with a black girl that lived there. I distinctly remember one day fifteen years ago on the bus home her telling me how afraid she was, not of the cops, but of the violence and the drug dealing going on there, and she wanted to move away so badly, but her parents could not afford a mortgage.

I know all about it. I've gotten first hand testimony.

See, even as a teenager, I made efforts to educate myself about what racism is and isn't.

And it is clearly evident to me you know nothing about racism. Period. Full stop.

No you don't have first hand anything. I'm black and have lived through several iterations of white racism. You're telling me the white boy tale about things. But 15 years ago you did not talk to black adults about their concerns relative to job opportunities for youth that would reduce crime and provide alternatives to drugs sales. That's the discussion I was having 15 years ago white boy, so shut your fucking mouth.

You don't know what I did.

MLK was and is still my role model. A BLACK MAN. Because he was smart enough to understand the injustice of racism and employ a dialogue with those who practiced it. He was assassinated for it, and for that, everyone who followed him disregarded urges for nonviolent dialogue and tore America apart in 1968. Just like how these protests initially began.

I will speak my mind, and you will listen (or don't, you can freely leave this thread any time you want to, O oppressed one.)

" “…it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear?…It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity.”
-MLK

 

[TemplarKormac]

The discussion isnt about who owns the issue.

Oh, is that so?

Then why are you making demands of society right now? Why aren't you speaking out about all the racial oppression instead of just yours?

 

[TemplarKormac]

That's not how racism works in 2020 and you know it.

Are you telling me that racism should work in only the ways YOU want it to?

Is that what I'm getting?

Looks to me like he is telling you that you have no clue about racism.

Hardly. And you assume you know everything about it because of your skin color?

How idiotic.

Turn black and live 5 years then tell us how much we don't know.

I lived 3 miles from the projects. 'Pauldoe' is was called. Every few months there seemed to be an incident there involving people firing off guns or getting into fights or doing drugs. This was a thing for a better part of 20 years. A great deal of the blacks in my city lived there.

I also went to school with a black girl that lived there. I distinctly remember one day fifteen years ago on the bus home her telling me how afraid she was, not of the cops, but of the violence and the drug dealing going on there, and she wanted to move away so badly, but her parents could not afford a mortgage.

I know all about it. I've gotten first hand testimony.

See, even as a teenager, I made efforts to educate myself about what racism is and isn't.

And it is clearly evident to me you know nothing about racism. Period. Full stop.

No you don't have first hand anything. I'm black and have lived through several iterations of white racism. You're telling me the white boy tale about things. But 15 years ago you did not talk to black adults about their concerns relative to job opportunities for youth that would reduce crime and provide alternatives to drugs sales. That's the discussion I was having 15 years ago white boy, so shut your fucking mouth.

You don't know what I did.

MLK was and is still my role model. A BLACK MAN. Because he was smart enough to understand the injustice of racism and employ a dialogue with those who practiced it. He was assassinated for it, and for that, everyone who followed him disregarded urges for nonviolent dialogue and tore America apart in 1968. Just like how these protests initially began.

I will speak my mind, and you will listen (or don't, you can freely leave this thread any time you want to, O oppressed one.)

" “…it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear?…It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity.”
-MLK

He saw the rioting as immoral. He understood the emotions, he condemned the actions.