New Benghazi E-mails Link White House to Doctoring of Talking Points

[mudwhistle]

and Hillary's state dept and obama's military failed to protect american citizens that they knew were in danger. Then they lied and blamed their failure on an obscure video that had nothing to do with it.

the place had been under attack just a couple of weeks before

So the ambassador could have chosen to leave.

Yup, and get fired.

 

[jon_berzerk]

and Hillary's state dept and obama's military failed to protect american citizens that they knew were in danger. Then they lied and blamed their failure on an obscure video that had nothing to do with it.

the place had been under attack just a couple of weeks before

So the ambassador could have chosen to leave.

being a patriot

Stevens served at the pleasure of the president

the administration had a purpose in him being there

for yet unclear reasons

 

[Jarhead]

It wasn't a consulate either, you idiots. There was no consulate office in Benghazi.

It was a CIA mission facility and annex.

and Hillary's state dept and obama's military failed to protect american citizens that they knew were in danger. Then they lied and blamed their failure on an obscure video that had nothing to do with it.

So if we'd gotten a few dozen Marines killed protecting the ambassador successfully that's a better deal?

If you asked that question of the marines, they would have said yes, it is better.

But selfish people like you can not grasp such an attitude.

 

[TemplarKormac]

IT WAS AN ACT OF TERROR!!

IT WAS SPONTEOUS!!!

IT WAS BECAUSE OF A VIDEO!!!

THERE IS NO SCANDAL!!!!

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE!!!!

BOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!

Please folks, the myth of sispyhus.

I'm sorry, but all you did here was to mock people for saying that it wasn't a scandal. Why don't you add something relevant? Maybe you can't?

If you had been here for the entire thread, you would know these guys had been mocking us for calling it a scandal. We are debating mere semantics now, has nothing to do whatsoever with the OP anymore.

 

[mudwhistle]

Marine Corps Embassy Security Group

"In Every Clime and Place"



MCESG - Mission


The primary mission of the Marine Security Guard (MSG) is to provide internal security at designated U.S. diplomatic and consular facilities in order to prevent the compromise of classified material vital to the national security of the United States. The secondary mission of the MSG is to provide protection for U.S. citizens and U.S government property located within designated U.S. diplomatic and consular premises during exigent circumstances (urgent temporary circumstances which require immediate aid or action).

Marine Corps Embassy Security Group (MCESG) Region Commands report to the Commanding Officer of MCESG and exercise command, less operational supervision, of Marines assigned to the Marine Security Guard (MSG) detachments in their respective regions. The MCESG Region Headquarters ensure the continued training, operational readiness, personnel administration, logistical support, as well as the morale, welfare, and discipline of Marines assigned for duty to MSG detachments at designated U.S. diplomatic missions in order to support the Department of State in the protection of classified material at foreign posts.


The Commanding Officer of MCESG reports to the Commandant of the Marine Corps (CMC), exercising command, less operational supervision, of Marines assigned to MSG detachments. MCESG Headquarters is responsible for the screening, training, assignment, administration, logistical support of Marine Corps unique items, and discipline of Marines assigned to MCESG. The Commanding Officer, MCESG also commands those Marines assigned to Headquarters, MCESG, and MCESG regional headquarters, and is the Director, MSG School. MSG School provides suitability screening and formal training for selected Marines to perform duties as MSGs at foreign Service Missions."


http://www.mcesg.marines.mil/About/MCESGMission.aspx

Was the Benghazi attack on an Embassy? No.

Was the Benghazi attack on a Consulate office? No.

It was a CIA mission facility and annex.

If diplomatic personnel occupy a compound in a foreign country it is considered a diplomatic facility, and thus United States soil.

 

[Jarhead]

You're obsessed with manufacturing scandals where none exist.

The GOP is politicizing Benghazi to try to win an election. Ironically, in order to prove wrongdoing by the Obama administration re Benghazi they will have to prove that the administration did then what the GOP is doing now.

You're obsessed with dismissing scandals that DO exist!

Obama lied about Benghazi to win an election. Ironically, in order to prove that the video caused this and the Republicans were idiots for pursuing the matter. They had to only prove the video was the cause; yet even they said it was a terrorist attack, completely unmotivated by the video.

You're simply hopeless. Immune to the realities that face you.

Obama did not lie to win an election. It's foolish on its face to say so.

Bush's approval rating went to 90% AFTER the ACT OF TERROR on 9/11.

If anything, a terrorist attack helps presidents politically, so if Obama was trying to politicize it, why would he attempt to diminish the terrorist nature of the attack?

Because he and his VP spent the previous 6 months campaigning on their success as it pertains to keeping Americans safe. They would have less than 2 months to drive home something else.

Anyone with any bit of intelligence would understand that.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You're obsessed with manufacturing scandals where none exist.

The GOP is politicizing Benghazi to try to win an election. Ironically, in order to prove wrongdoing by the Obama administration re Benghazi they will have to prove that the administration did then what the GOP is doing now.

You're obsessed with dismissing scandals that DO exist!

Obama lied about Benghazi to win an election. Ironically, in order to prove that the video caused this and the Republicans were idiots for pursuing the matter. They had to only prove the video was the cause; yet even they said it was a terrorist attack, completely unmotivated by the video.

You're simply hopeless. Immune to the realities that face you.

Obama did not lie to win an election. It's foolish on its face to say so.

Bush's approval rating went to 90% AFTER the ACT OF TERROR on 9/11.

If anything, a terrorist attack helps presidents politically, so if Obama was trying to politicize it, why would he attempt to diminish the terrorist nature of the attack?

"Al-Qaeda is on the run, and Osama Bin Laden is dead." He repeated that mantra throughout his campaign. Stop telling me he wasn't trying to skirt this issue for political reasons. In this case, a terrorist attack would have been devastating to his credibility. He was touting his successes abroad, only to have this catastrophic failure occur on his watch, which would have completely contradicted that narrative. He was trying to diminish the issue, for political reasons. That's it, that's all.

The foolish one here is you.

 

[Care4all]

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No, I don't think it's unusual for someone to be prepped for an appearance on all 5 Sunday morning talk shows. It's obvious that if that is taking place then the Administration desperately wanted to put a certain narrative out there. One would expect some amount of prepping to take place for such a barrage of guest appearances. What I find highly unusual is for the emails for that prep to be classified, after the fact, to hide that Rice was indeed prepped by Ben Rhodes. Can you understand the outrage from conservatives that all this time the Obama White House has been saying that Rice was working from CIA talking points and not from talking points given to her by the Obama White House? Can you understand the outrage from conservatives to find out that that was a total lie...a lie that the Obama White House attempted to hide by classifying the emails that laid out the strategy for Rice's Sunday talk show "marathon"? Can you understand the outrage from conservatives when Obama repeatedly assured the American people that he had released any and all emails connected to Benghazi when in fact he knew that was not the case?

Translation- What Dog Style and the rest of the Wingnuts are upset about is there's a Negro in the White House.

Beyond that, sorry, prep happens all the time,and it was the CIA that pulled AL Qaeda references, not the White House.

Oh, yeah, and they were really upset about that video all across the Middle East.

Oh, yeah? They were not nearly as upset about that video as we were when Hillary forbad the use of bullets in the guns of guards at the embassy.

That breaches the Constitution's words of the Executive Branch providing for the Common Defense, in particular the President and his top cabinet officials.

Becki, what you are stating is JUST ANOTHER LIE, perpetrated by right wing media....but later it was retracted and found to be a LIE....

The Ambassador did not impose restrictions on weapons or weapons status on the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group (MCESG) detachment. The MCESG Marines in Cairo were allowed to have live ammunition in their weapons. The Ambassador and Regional Security Officer have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. Reports of Marines not being able to have their weapons loaded per direction from the Ambassador are not accurate.”
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To everyone else...
MOST of what is being said here and in right wing media/blog/message board outlets....and YES, most ALL of what is being claimed in these threads by right wingers are lies, pure and simple, and time and time and time again with link after link after link it has been proven that these accusations are simply not true but those on the right REFUSE to accept the truth....

I have read the most awful things and lies said from those from the right wing

Examples:
LIE
''Amb. Stephens was raped and dragged through the streets and cheered when the Muslim crowds saw his crippled body''

INSTEAD THE TRUTH is:

Amb Stevens was killed by smoke inhalation, the men dragging him out were trying to save him and drove him to a hospital, the cheers in the crowd were cheers for Stephens still being alive...

LIE
"There were no protests that day regarding the video. The middle east did not even know about the video. They didn't see the video or video trailer so they were not protesting the video so it HAD TO BE A LIE regarding the administration mentioning the video.....blah blah blah"

INSTEAD THE TRUTH is:

There were MAJOR protests regarding the video in CAIRO earlier that day, Sept 11th, and that the Egyptian news had been reporting CONSTANTLY on the blasphemous to them video, earlier that week and showed the trailer to the video over and over again on the news, and the religious leaders in Egypt were encouraging protest and demonstrating....this was blasting all over the middle east, so EVERYONE over there had heard of or had seen the video...

SO ONCE AGAIN, just simply MORE lies by the right wing regarding this situation....Civil unrest WAS OCCURRING in the middle east and at our Embassy in CAIRO, they jumped the fence, tore down and burned our flag and put up one of their own......

LIE
''the administration doctored the talking points for Rice's tv appearance"

WHAT was doctored in those emails? AGAIN another LIE perpetrated by right wing media....If you all think making the emphasis not on a 'U.S. admin failure of policy'........ that is perfectly normal and the RIGHT THING TO DO when going on world wide television where all terrorists and foreign nations can hear and see.... these people are spokes people for the administration of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA when they go on world wide network shows, and should always try to portray us with strength, in good light, etc....(EVEN if all hell has broken loose behind the scenes)....this is what the spokes people for the administration are SUPPOSE to do.....this is what ALL ADMINISTRATIONS spokes people do....

They did NOT change talking points....they did not remove talking points, these so called smoking gun emails of them prepping rice for her tv appearance had nothing new in them? On Sept 14th when the emails were written, still saying that the video was the reason for the attack on our embassy in CAIRO, and later Tripoli and others, and 'possible' reason in Benghazi is NOT a lie,

READ THIS, from Sept 11th, 2012 news in Great Britain...

Protests in Cairo and Benghazi over American film | World news | theguardian.com

and this from sept 11th news also:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/w...irs-protest-at-us-embassy-in-cairo.html?_r=1&

AND, when the terrorists showed up in their armored trucks, they were shouting out the window, that this was ''REVENGE for the video''...according EYEWITNESSES at the scene......(only later to find out the terrorists recruited locals to shout that this was regarding the video..)

Benghazi Consulate Attack Fast Facts - CNN.com

LIE
"Rice said definitively that IT WAS THE VIDEO that caused this..."

TRUTH
No she did not say definitively that this was the video, she mentioned a few times that they would not KNOW for certain until the investigation is completed. As far as spinning it in the "best light" this is part of her JOB.

NBC’s “Meet the Press”
DAVID GREGORY: Well, let’s talk– talk about– well, you talked about this as spontaneous. Can you say definitively that the attacks on– on our consulate in Libya that killed ambassador Stevens and others there security personnel, that was spontaneous, was it a planned attack? Was there a terrorist element to it?
MS. RICE: Well, let us– let me tell you the– the best information we have at present. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But putting together the best information that we have available to us today our current assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of– of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya. And it escalated into a much more violent episode. Obviously, that’s– that’s our best judgment now. We’ll await the results of the investigation. And the president has been very clear–we’ll work with the Libyan authorities to bring those responsible to justice.

AND
there WERE eye witnesses that said there WERE protest shouts right prior to the bombardment of the consulate that THIS WAS revenge for the video...(later we found out that these people shouting that this was regarding the video had been recruited off the streets by the terrorists that attacked us, as a DIVERSION or GUISE to their actual attack , right prior to the attack)

NONE, ABSOLUTELY none of what was said on the talk shows that morning by susan rice affected the results of the election...even if she came out and said definitively that we KNEW who the terrorists were.....(which they DID NOT KNOW at that point, but let's say they did), there would be no change in the election....whether it was an act of terror from the get go, or a terrorist attack that spurred from the protests of a video...

Within A WEEK from the attack the administration was using the term terrorist attack and communicating with us and the world on what they were finding out.....LONG LONG before the election....

LIE:

President Obama was watching via the drone and rubbing his hands in pure glee as our 4 Americans were killed.

TRUTH

Disgusting lie put out by ANTI-AMERICAN RIGHT WINGERS



LIE:

''Obama and Hillary ordered them to "Stand Down"

TRUTH:

Simply ANOTHER disgusting and anti American LIE perpetrated by the right wing...

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Now, I am sure this infuriates all of you who want to make something political out of this Benghazi incident and will come on here and once again REPEAT THE LIES, even with proof that they ARE simply lies, and then call me all kinds of names, and then REPEAT THEIR LIES AGAIN without even discussing the facts or opinions of others that are presented to them and without them calling you an "obama Lover", even if you never voted for him....

sigh...this place is in the toilet as of late....and disheartening, to say the least....

Care

 

[JoeB131]

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That's pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard. We don't start riots when a video upsets us, we simply don't watch it. But even still, this has nothing to do with anything. The attack on the consulate was preplanned. The video was simply a scapegoat to carry through with the attack.

the problem with the "pre-planned" theory was that they would have to know in advance that Stevens would be there that day.

No, you funditards don't just "not watch it', you threaten the studios with boycotts, you threaten theater owners who showed it.

True, you don't bomb the theaters... you reserve that for abortion clinics and gay bars.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Care4, if you want to call someone down for being a liar, don't use sources like CNN, NYT or NBC. Please?

 

[RKMBrown]

You're obsessed with dismissing scandals that DO exist!

Obama lied about Benghazi to win an election. Ironically, in order to prove that the video caused this and the Republicans were idiots for pursuing the matter. They had to only prove the video was the cause; yet even they said it was a terrorist attack, completely unmotivated by the video.

You're simply hopeless. Immune to the realities that face you.

Obama did not lie to win an election. It's foolish on its face to say so.

Bush's approval rating went to 90% AFTER the ACT OF TERROR on 9/11.

If anything, a terrorist attack helps presidents politically, so if Obama was trying to politicize it, why would he attempt to diminish the terrorist nature of the attack?

"Al-Qaeda is on the run, and Osama Bin Laden is dead." He repeated that mantra throughout his campaign. Stop telling me he wasn't trying to skirt this issue for political reasons. In this case, a terrorist attack would have been devastating to his credibility.

The foolish one here is you.

I disagree. Obama's constituents are paid to look the other way. They look at these incidents as opportunities for getting more stuff from their sugar daddy. Look at Fast and Furious, the left applauded what they did. The left are on the side of the terrorists and drug lords. The left want to see all of our ambassadors killed. The more we are embarrassed on the world stage the weaker we are the better off the left is because they can say it was due to Bush.

 

[JoeB131]

Hilarious. The liberals think making the distinction between a consulate and an embassy makes a difference. I wonder why even Susan Rice did not make that distinction in her blatant lies to the American people on behalf of the white house, if that distinction is anything of actual consequence.

"It was not an embassy!!!! It was the consulate!!!!!!"

Consulates aren't as critical as embassies and therefore not as well guarded.

You see, the problem with you Benghazi nutters is that getting you to stick to one theory is like nailing Jell-O to the wall. It's the Ad Hoc argument style. If one argument gets shot down, you move on to another. Kind of like the Monty Python Parrot Sketch.

 

[JoeB131]

Care4, if you want to call someone down for being a liar, don't use sources like CNN, NYT or NBC. Please?

Yeah, Care4. Don't you realize Couch-Boy only accepts "unbiased" news sources like Faux News and Glenn Beck?

 

[BlindBoo]

BOB SCHIEFFER: And joining us now, Susan Rice, the U.N. ambassador, our U.N. ambassador. Madam Ambassador, he says this is something that has been in the planning stages for months. I understand you have been saying that you think it was spontaneous? Are we not on the same page here?

SUSAN RICE (Ambassador to the United Nations): Bob, let me tell you what we understand to be the assessment at present. First of all, very importantly, as you discussed with the President, there is an investigation that the United States government will launch led by the FBI, that has begun and--

BOB SCHIEFFER (overlapping): But they are not there.

SUSAN RICE: They are not on the ground yet, but they have already begun looking at all sorts of evidence of-- of various sorts already available to them and to us. And they will get on the ground and continue the investigation. So we'll want to see the results of that investigation to draw any definitive conclusions. But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy--

BOB SCHIEFFER: Mm-Hm.

SUSAN RICE: --sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that-- in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent.

BOB SCHIEFFER: But you do not agree with him that this was something that had been plotted out several months ago?

SUSAN RICE: We do not-- we do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.

BOB SCHIEFFER: Do you agree or disagree with him that al Qaeda had some part in this?

SUSAN RICE: Well, we'll have to find out that out. I mean I think it's clear that there were extremist elements that joined in and escalated the violence. Whether they were al Qaeda affiliates, whether they were Libyan-based extremists or al Qaeda itself I think is one of the things we'll have to determine.

"Face the Nation" transcripts, September 16, 2012: Libyan Pres. Magariaf, Amb. Rice and Sen. McCain - Page 2 - CBS News

BOB SCHIEFFER: And joining us now, Susan Rice, the U.N. ambassador, our U.N. ambassador. Madam Ambassador, he says this is something that has been in the planning stages for months. I understand you have been saying that you think it was spontaneous? Are we not on the same page here?

SUSAN RICE (Ambassador to the United Nations): Bob, let me tell you what we understand to be the assessment at present. First of all, very importantly, as you discussed with the President, there is an investigation that the United States government will launch led by the FBI, that has begun and--

BOB SCHIEFFER (overlapping): But they are not there.

SUSAN RICE: They are not on the ground yet, but they have already begun looking at all sorts of evidence of-- of various sorts already available to them and to us. And they will get on the ground and continue the investigation. So we'll want to see the results of that investigation to draw any definitive conclusions. But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy--

Funny you forgot to mention the above disclaimer, which was my point that they always made such a disclaimer for two weeks while they kept their talking points alive. But that's typical of you pseudo-cons isn't it? No outrage that the previous administration played the same type of games with their talking points which led us into a unjustifiable war that killed hundreds of thousands. So your phony outrage is exposed, again.

 

[BlindBoo]

Then post it.

The first question is about the Protest and Riots occuring all over the ME at that time and the second is specifically about Benghazi.

September 16: Benjamin Netanyahu, Susan Rice, Keith Ellison, Peter King, Bob Woodward, Jeffrey Goldberg, Andrea Mitchell - Meet the Press - Transcripts | NBC News

GREGORY: The images as you well know are jarring to Americans watching all of this play out this week, and we’ll share the map of all of this turmoil with our viewers to show the scale of it across not just the Arab world, but the entire Islamic world and flashpoints as well. In Egypt, of course, the protests outside the U.S. embassy there that Egyptian officials were slow to put down. This weekend in Pakistan, protests as well there. More anti-American rage. Also protests against the drone strikes. In Yemen, you also had arrests and some deaths outside of our U.S. embassy there. How much longer can Americans expect to see these troubling images and these protests go forward?

MS. RICE: Well, David, we can’t predict with any certainty. But let’s remember what has transpired over the last several days. This is a response to a hateful and offensive video that was widely disseminated throughout the Arab and Muslim world. Obviously, our view is that there is absolutely no excuse for violence and that-- what has happened is condemnable, but this is a-- a spontaneous reaction to a video, and it’s not dissimilar but, perhaps, on a slightly larger scale than what we have seen in the past with The Satanic Verses with the cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. Now, the United States has made very clear and the president has been very plain that our top priority is the protection of American personnel in our facilities and bringing to justice those who…
GREGORY: All right.
MS. RICE: …attacked our facility in Benghazi.
Advertise

GREGORY: Well, let’s talk-- talk about-- well, you talked about this as spontaneous. Can you say definitively that the attacks on-- on our consulate in Libya that killed ambassador Stevens and others there security personnel, that was spontaneous, was it a planned attack? Was there a terrorist element to it?
MS. RICE: Well, let us-- let me tell you the-- the best information we have at present. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But putting together the best information that we have available to us today our current assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of-- of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya. And it escalated into a much more violent episode. Obviously, that’s-- that’s our best judgment now. We’ll await the results of the investigation. And the president has been very clear--we’ll work with the Libyan authorities to bring those responsible to justice.

Will you shut up?

“Based on the best information we have to date ... it began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo, where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent.... We do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.”

— Susan E. Rice, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Sept. 16

No. Why do you hate freedom of speech?

 

[TemplarKormac]

LIE
''Amb. Stephens was raped and dragged through the streets and cheered when the Muslim crowds saw his crippled body''

INSTEAD THE TRUTH is:

Amb Stevens was killed by smoke inhalation, the men dragging him out were trying to save him and drove him to a hospital, the cheers in the crowd were cheers for Stephens still being alive...

Perhaps you should explain this, then. Either way he was killed by the terrorists.

LIE
"There were no protests that day regarding the video. The middle east did not even know about the video. They didn't see the video or video trailer so they were not protesting the video so it HAD TO BE A LIE regarding the administration mentioning the video.....blah blah blah"

INSTEAD THE TRUTH is:

There were MAJOR protests regarding the video in CAIRO earlier that day, Sept 11th, and that the Egyptian news had been reporting CONSTANTLY on the blasphemous to them video, earlier that week and showed the trailer to the video over and over again on the news, and the religious leaders in Egypt were encouraging protest and demonstrating....this was blasting all over the middle east, so EVERYONE over there had heard of or had seen the video...

SO ONCE AGAIN, just simply MORE lies by the right wing regarding this situation....Civil unrest WAS OCCURRING in the middle east and at our Embassy in CAIRO, they jumped the fence, tore down and burned our flag and put up one of their own......

The protests were in Cairo. Not Benghazi. The streets were sealed off. Trucks bearing the insignia of Ansar al-Sharia drove up, people armed with weapons and artillery showed up. There was no protest. President Magariaf said the attacks were preplanned. Even the White House after 14 days acknowledged it was an act of terrorism, not a protest. Those aren't lies, they're facts.

LIE
''the administration doctored the talking points for Rice's tv appearance"

WHAT was doctored in those emails? AGAIN another LIE perpetrated by right wing media....If you all think making the emphasis not on a 'U.S. admin failure of policy'........ that is perfectly normal and the RIGHT THING TO DO when going on world wide television where all terrorists and foreign nations can hear and see.... these people are spokes people for the administration of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA when they go on world wide network shows, and should always try to portray us with strength, in good light, etc....(EVEN if all hell has broken loose behind the scenes)....this is what the spokes people for the administration are SUPPOSE to do.....this is what ALL ADMINISTRATIONS spokes people do....

They did NOT change talking points....they did not remove talking points, these so called smoking gun emails of them prepping rice for her tv appearance had nothing new in them? On Sept 14th when the emails were written, still saying that the video was the possible reason for the attack on our embassy in CAIRO, and later Tripoli and others, and 'possible' reason in Benghazi is NOT a lie,

READ THIS, from Sept 11th, 2012 news in Great Britain...

Protests in Cairo and Benghazi over American film | World news | theguardian.com

Once again you have The Guardian repeating that narrative, on the day after it happened. As you can very well see in my introductory post, that was not the case at all. As the e-mails point out, the White House did not want this to reflect on a "broader failure of policy." Thus that narrative was played out to the masses. The White House was responsible.

LIE
"Rice said definitively that IT WAS THE VIDEO that caused this..."

TRUTH
No she did not say definitively that this was the video, she mentioned a few times that they would not KNOW for certain until the investigation is completed. As far as spinning it in the "best light" this is part of her JOB.

Sure, she did say it was a video. She even went so far as to call it "hateful."

SUSAN RICE (Ambassador to the United Nations): Bob, let me tell you what we understand to be the assessment at present. First of all, very importantly, as you discussed with the President, there is an investigation that the United States government will launch led by the FBI, that has begun and--

BOB SCHIEFFER (overlapping): But they are not there.

SUSAN RICE: They are not on the ground yet, but they have already begun looking at all sorts of evidence of-- of various sorts already available to them and to us. And they will get on the ground and continue the investigation. So we'll want to see the results of that investigation to draw any definitive conclusions. But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy--

BOB SCHIEFFER: Mm-Hm.

SUSAN RICE: --sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that-- in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent.

BOB SCHIEFFER: But you do not agree with him that this was something that had been plotted out several months ago?

SUSAN RICE: We do not-- we do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.

LIE:

President Obama was watching via the drone and rubbing his hands in pure glee as our 4 Americans were killed.

TRUTH

Disgusting lie put out by ANTI-AMERICAN RIGHT WINGERS

Calling them "Anti-American" has invalidated your entire argument. Lie or no lie, they are just as American as you are. So please, dispense with the childishness.

LIE:

''Obama and Hillary ordered them to "Stand Down"

TRUTH:

Simply ANOTHER disgusting and anti American LIE perpetrated by the right wing...

Yeah, your argument is garbage. "Anti-American." Just what is so 'anti-American' about wanting to know the truth?

 

[TemplarKormac]

The first question is about the Protest and Riots occuring all over the ME at that time and the second is specifically about Benghazi.

September 16: Benjamin Netanyahu, Susan Rice, Keith Ellison, Peter King, Bob Woodward, Jeffrey Goldberg, Andrea Mitchell - Meet the Press - Transcripts | NBC News

GREGORY: The images as you well know are jarring to Americans watching all of this play out this week, and we’ll share the map of all of this turmoil with our viewers to show the scale of it across not just the Arab world, but the entire Islamic world and flashpoints as well. In Egypt, of course, the protests outside the U.S. embassy there that Egyptian officials were slow to put down. This weekend in Pakistan, protests as well there. More anti-American rage. Also protests against the drone strikes. In Yemen, you also had arrests and some deaths outside of our U.S. embassy there. How much longer can Americans expect to see these troubling images and these protests go forward?

MS. RICE: Well, David, we can’t predict with any certainty. But let’s remember what has transpired over the last several days. This is a response to a hateful and offensive video that was widely disseminated throughout the Arab and Muslim world. Obviously, our view is that there is absolutely no excuse for violence and that-- what has happened is condemnable, but this is a-- a spontaneous reaction to a video, and it’s not dissimilar but, perhaps, on a slightly larger scale than what we have seen in the past with The Satanic Verses with the cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. Now, the United States has made very clear and the president has been very plain that our top priority is the protection of American personnel in our facilities and bringing to justice those who…
GREGORY: All right.
MS. RICE: …attacked our facility in Benghazi.
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GREGORY: Well, let’s talk-- talk about-- well, you talked about this as spontaneous. Can you say definitively that the attacks on-- on our consulate in Libya that killed ambassador Stevens and others there security personnel, that was spontaneous, was it a planned attack? Was there a terrorist element to it?
MS. RICE: Well, let us-- let me tell you the-- the best information we have at present. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But putting together the best information that we have available to us today our current assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of-- of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya. And it escalated into a much more violent episode. Obviously, that’s-- that’s our best judgment now. We’ll await the results of the investigation. And the president has been very clear--we’ll work with the Libyan authorities to bring those responsible to justice.

Will you shut up?

“Based on the best information we have to date ... it began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo, where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent.... We do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.”

— Susan E. Rice, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Sept. 16

No. Why do you hate freedom of speech?

I don't. But it is not I who hates the truth.

 

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BOB SCHIEFFER: And joining us now, Susan Rice, the U.N. ambassador, our U.N. ambassador. Madam Ambassador, he says this is something that has been in the planning stages for months. I understand you have been saying that you think it was spontaneous? Are we not on the same page here?

SUSAN RICE (Ambassador to the United Nations): Bob, let me tell you what we understand to be the assessment at present. First of all, very importantly, as you discussed with the President, there is an investigation that the United States government will launch led by the FBI, that has begun and--

BOB SCHIEFFER (overlapping): But they are not there.

SUSAN RICE: They are not on the ground yet, but they have already begun looking at all sorts of evidence of-- of various sorts already available to them and to us. And they will get on the ground and continue the investigation. So we'll want to see the results of that investigation to draw any definitive conclusions. But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy--

BOB SCHIEFFER: Mm-Hm.

SUSAN RICE: --sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that-- in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent.

BOB SCHIEFFER: But you do not agree with him that this was something that had been plotted out several months ago?

SUSAN RICE: We do not-- we do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.

BOB SCHIEFFER: Do you agree or disagree with him that al Qaeda had some part in this?

SUSAN RICE: Well, we'll have to find out that out. I mean I think it's clear that there were extremist elements that joined in and escalated the violence. Whether they were al Qaeda affiliates, whether they were Libyan-based extremists or al Qaeda itself I think is one of the things we'll have to determine.

"Face the Nation" transcripts, September 16, 2012: Libyan Pres. Magariaf, Amb. Rice and Sen. McCain - Page 2 - CBS News

BOB SCHIEFFER: And joining us now, Susan Rice, the U.N. ambassador, our U.N. ambassador. Madam Ambassador, he says this is something that has been in the planning stages for months. I understand you have been saying that you think it was spontaneous? Are we not on the same page here?

SUSAN RICE (Ambassador to the United Nations): Bob, let me tell you what we understand to be the assessment at present. First of all, very importantly, as you discussed with the President, there is an investigation that the United States government will launch led by the FBI, that has begun and--

BOB SCHIEFFER (overlapping): But they are not there.

SUSAN RICE: They are not on the ground yet, but they have already begun looking at all sorts of evidence of-- of various sorts already available to them and to us. And they will get on the ground and continue the investigation. So we'll want to see the results of that investigation to draw any definitive conclusions. But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy--

Funny you forgot to mention the above disclaimer, which was my point that they always made such a disclaimer for two weeks while they kept their talking points alive. But that's typical of you pseudo-cons isn't it? No outrage that the previous administration played the same type of games with their talking points which led us into a unjustifiable war that killed hundreds of thousands. So your phony outrage is exposed, again.

LOL, you left out the part where she blamed it on the video. You think you're clever. No, you're ignorant and woefully stupid.

SUSAN RICE: They are not on the ground yet, but they have already begun looking at all sorts of evidence of-- of various sorts already available to them and to us. And they will get on the ground and continue the investigation. So we'll want to see the results of that investigation to draw any definitive conclusions. But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy-- -- sparked by this hateful video.

 

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Will you shut up?

— Susan E. Rice, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Sept. 16

No. Why do you hate freedom of speech?

I don't. But it is not I who hates the truth.

Gowdy will get the truth out. It will be the end of obama and clinton. even the left wing media does not like being lied to.

 

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You guys are simply too much!