New Witness...TRAYVON was beating Zimmerman up!

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AySYPMy1Ejw&feature=related]Black Teen witness of Trayvon Martin's murder by George Zimmerman - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Vidi]

Uptown, that's actually an excellent question. I know what the law ordinarily is in most states, but a number of Florida statutes (their arrest statute, for example), are simply written differently. In most places, "unlawful pointing/presenting of a firearm" would be drawing it (without necessarily firing it) as a threat, in a situation that was something other than self defense, or defense of the life of another, stopping a forcible felony in progress, or in some states, making a lawful arrest. (I add that last because in my state, the statute that allows use of deadly force to protect one's home, stop a felony in progress, etc. is actually under a "power of arrest" conferred upon "any citizen of this state" under certain specified circumstances). I know, that certain concealed carry laws (in states which do not allow open carrying), provide that merely showing the holstered weapon intentionally is a violation of the law (unless one is ordered to by a law enforcement officer, of course). If I had to guess, I'd assume the Florida law for civilians authorized to carry concealed would be something like the first part of the above, but I have no idea how the Florida law is worded, and as we've seen with the "Stand Your Ground" self defense statute there, the wording can make a lot of difference. It may be a moot point in this case, because to this point, we have not yet seen any evidence that Zimmerman intentionally showed his weapon in any way prior to drawing it and shooting Martin (having it inadvertently revealed in the course of a struggle would not itself be a violation of any concealed carry law I've ever seen). That said, there exists the possibility that something we don't know could come to light, and combine with whatever the Florida law says about "pointing and presenting", to be germane to this particular case. We have, after all, had some surprising revelations related to the wording of Florida laws here. Curious are the ways of legislators....

Yeah, I ask these question because I'm honestly interested. Cases like these fascinate me. I'm planning on pursuing a degree in Criminology since Uncle Sam is paying for it in exchange for my military service.

I also ask because I'd guess in my mind an individual running after someone with a gun visible in their hand would automatically be a threat if as you said the individual being chased was totally innocent and weren't doing anything to harm anybody.

I wasn't aware that this was different depending on whether or not the state is a concealed carry or open carry state. I can't imagine the definition of "unlawfully produces/presents a weapon" would vary from state to state.

I think of it in terms of knives.

A knife is legal to have, but holding a knife outside is different from chasing someone with a knife in your hand. If someone was chasing me with a knife in their hand I'd assume they were going to use it. If they were chasing me with a gun in their hand there's a million possibilities that could go through my mind. That's not to say I believe that's what happened in the Trayvon Martin case.

I'm convinced it was one big ugly misunderstanding that turned into an altercation that would have resulted in most other states in Zimmerman being charged with manslaughter or maybe a lesser charge, but charged all the same. I don't think Zimmerman is a cold-blooded killer and card carrying Klan member, but I think both made some pretty dumb decisions and both parties may be at least partially responsible for what happened that night. I think Zimmerman would have been held accountable in any other state in some way for his part (Trayvon was held paid a pretty high price for his part). But it's interesting to me how the laws in Florida may have been a deciding factor in this case.

From what you were telling me earlier and what I've read of the Florida Stand Your Ground Law, it should be repealed. I have no problem with Castle Doctrine, I understand that, and I have no problem with Gun Laws, I'm 100% pro-2nd Amendment, but this Stand Your Ground Law looks dangerous.

It makes me think the cops WERE actually convinced this wasn't self-defense. I don't believe Austin Grant's mother was lying when she said a cop plainly told her he was convinced Zimmerman wasn't acting in self-defense. I think it's one of those cases where they got on the scene, probably didn't believe a mumbling word Zimmerman said but the DA gave them the sobering news that the state's Law would make it impossible for them to prosecute ol' boy. It is hard for people to understand this kind of thing. Legislatures aren't always the most practical people. It's always easy to create and pass a law without realizing the possible implications.

IF Zimmerman was in fact chasing Martin, with the gun in his hand, that would mean he had drawn it, so that would be "unlawful presentation", (unless Florida law on that is really strange. But, did Zimmerman actually do that? As far as I know, no evidence has been presented which indicates he did.; of course, if facts came to light which would show Zimmerman did that, it would put the rest of the case in a different light, I think.

As far as the 'Stand Your Ground" statute is concerned, the legislature does need to revisit that, and at least re-write the thing. The overall intent isn't so bad; the current wording is a little too permissive , IMHO.

I agree. Ive seen nothing that says Zimmerman had his gun out while chasing Martin.

I still say a guy twice your sizechasing after you at a full speed run is threatening enough.

I think it was a mistake on the cops part in this whole thing not to get some sort of forensic investigation going immediately. If the had, they could have proved Zimmermans story and shut everyone right the fuck up.

Because they didnt, we are all allowed to speculate on the illogocal story thats been presented.



PS Fuck Spike Lee

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Black Teen witness of Trayvon Martin's murder by George Zimmerman - YouTube

His answer now sounds like he was coached first he saw what happened now he didn't. GOT IT.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Witness To Trayvon Shooting Speaks Out! - YouTube

There's nothing better than a 15 minutes of fame johnny come lately witness.

 

[PredFan]

His point, which has been made before, was that Zimmerman contends he shot Martin in self defense and feared for his life after the 17-year-old attacked him and began pounding his head into the concrete pavement of a gated community on a rainy evening in Sanford on February 26.
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"We're familiar with the Shaken Baby Syndrome," said Uhrig on the CBS This Morning program. "You shake a baby, the brain shakes around inside the skull. You can die when someone's pounding your head into the ground."

I thought Zimmerman claimed he shot Martin because the kid went for his gun?

There is quite a lot attributed to Zimmerman, yet Zimmerman hasn't spoken publically.

 

[PredFan]

"Punch drunk" fighters have the adult form of shaken baby syndrome, incidentally.

He recovered very quickly, and so well that EMS didn't take him to the ED. And within the hour he was able to exit the police car in handcuffs, unassisted, and walk with a steady gait into and through the station.

The extent of his injuries is irrelevant. the only thing relevant is was he the aggressor or the one attacked.

 

[PredFan]

I have no doubt Mr. Zimmerman might be compared to a "Shaken Baby."

He had an amazing recovery, but was beaten senseless when he shot......................

It goes away if it's not severe.

Aren't you a nurse? You are apparently a crap nurse.

It doesn't really matter how bad he was injured. His injuries support his side of the story, they don't have to be severe.

 

[PredFan]

I noticed another woman on 911 tape who said she saw the guy in the white shirt on top of & attacking another guy.

Who was wearing a white shirt?

My question today is, where does shaken baby syndrome fit in? Zimmerman'a attorney brought it up.

In the case of Shaken Baby Syndrome, the brain is smacked against the inside of the skull. The same thing can happen when your head is slammed against the pavement. Perhaps he chose that name because he thought it was the most familiar name for that kind of injury, I don't know. there are a whole host of situation where the effects of Shaken Baby Syndrome are the same. It just doesn't happen to a baby so they don't (usually) call it that.

 

[PredFan]

No, I never suggested that anybody be brought to justice before the police completed an investigation.

That's all your side, lynch mob.

sure you did you said .."He shot Zimmerman because he thought he was going to get killed and nobody would help him"

so you have found the young man guilty without trial and he has been executed already..

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No, I haven't, you nitwit.

Nitwit is correct.

 

[PredFan]

It's traumatic brain injury...it doesn't happen just in children. Adults also can suffer from injury that is a result of being shaken or hitting something hard enough to cause the brain to bounce off the inside of the skull.

"Punch drunk" fighters have the adult form of shaken baby syndrome, incidentally.

Babies are anatomically different than adults. One of the major contributing factors to a baby's suceptibility to injury from shaking is their lack of neck strength, as well as their lack of cranial development. When the brain collides with the skull in an adult it generally causes a concussion.

Wrong.

The results of Shaken Baby syndrome are brain swelling, exactly the same thing that happens to adults when the brain is violently slammed against the inside of the skull.

 

[PredFan]

oh and if Zimmerman is found guilty, people like Predfan, Kosherturd and racist kissmy will state they bowed to media pressure.

Hey kid, does your mom know you are playing with the computer?

If zimmerman is found guilty, I will call for his punishment. This I have stated from day one. It has always been about following the law and not joining the ignorant lynch mob.

As usual, you are wrong in every important respect.

 

[PredFan]

oh and if Zimmerman is found guilty, people like Predfan, Kosherturd and racist kissmy will state they bowed to media pressure.

My calling a racist a racist & throwing their racism in their racist face in no way makes me a racist. You are a racist regardless of how this case turns out.

A racist idiot, that's him.

 

[PredFan]

Actually I live in a newer 4-bedroom home on two acres with a very nice 28' X 36" shop on the same lot. I can also legally carry a concealed weapon in 31 states. As I said earlier in the same circumstances I would have shot Trayvon Martin as well. And my next door neighbor is a deputy sheriff.

well my father was a homicide detective and I grew up surround by police and I know what they would of thought of this jag off zimmy and his illogical story having said that without a trial you do not know the circumstances beyond the unlikely story zimmy tells...the issue is his guilt it is the known circumstance warrant charges and a trail to determine guilt or innocence

Heh, the guy was attacked and he defended himself. A guy was on top of him beating him and he did what needed to be done, just as anyone normal law abiding citizen should do. Regardless of what you think you're father would have said, Zimmerman did just fine.

Agreed.....IF that is in fact what has happened. We don't know, none of us do.

 

[Emma]

His point, which has been made before, was that Zimmerman contends he shot Martin in self defense and feared for his life after the 17-year-old attacked him and began pounding his head into the concrete pavement of a gated community on a rainy evening in Sanford on February 26.
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"We're familiar with the Shaken Baby Syndrome," said Uhrig on the CBS This Morning program. "You shake a baby, the brain shakes around inside the skull. You can die when someone's pounding your head into the ground."

I thought Zimmerman claimed he shot Martin because the kid went for his gun?

There is quite a lot attributed to Zimmerman, yet Zimmerman hasn't spoken publically.

Well, his father I believe. On his son's behalf.

 

[Emma]

Now the Nazis are getting in on the act ...

 

[PredFan]

I thought Zimmerman claimed he shot Martin because the kid went for his gun?

There is quite a lot attributed to Zimmerman, yet Zimmerman hasn't spoken publically.

Well, his father I believe. On his son's behalf.

His father should shut up, but I guess he's thinking he's defending his son. I don't think he's doing him any favors at all, imo.

 

[Peach]

Now the Nazis are getting in on the act ...

Some call the NSM "Neo" Nazi, they say they patrolling the streets of Sanford to protect white people.

 

[PredFan]

He recovered very quickly, and so well that EMS didn't take him to the ED. And within the hour he was able to exit the police car in handcuffs, unassisted, and walk with a steady gait into and through the station.

The extent of his injuries is irrelevant. the only thing relevant is was he the aggressor or the one attacked.

um only a retard would say they are irrelevant....Oh its you.

Run along and let the adults talk.

 

[PredFan]

Now the Nazis are getting in on the act ...

Some call the NSM "Neo" Nazi, they say they patrolling the streets of Sanford to protect white people.

It is an interesting development, we'll have to see how that plays out. I'm just glad i don't live in Sanford.

 

[Peach]

Now the Nazis are getting in on the act ...

Some call the NSM "Neo" Nazi, they say they patrolling the streets of Sanford to protect white people.

It is an interesting development, we'll have to see how that plays out. I'm just glad i don't live in Sanford.

I hope law enforcement keeps things under control, with ANY radical group leeching off the situation.