Newsflash: This Just In

[Pumpkin Row]

Black market business would be booming.

We would better regulate future gun purchases. Nothing you can do about all the guns already out there though.

So yes initially black market value would go up but our law enforcement can go after the criminals. Imaging a war on illegal gun runners instead of drugs.

But then the cartels will be the gun manufacturers. Just like the modern day alcohol makers were the rum runners during Prohibition

You moron!!!!!!


The only people who obey the law are the ones who would abide by it!!!!!!


What the heck is wrong with Liberals??????

What we are doing now is making it too easy to find a gun. We could do things that would hurt the black market and not affect you but you and the NRA won't have it

Like what?

Straw purchases with no background checks. No fly no buy.

Background checks don't stop criminals with no previous crimes.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Less guns = less gun violence.

More guns = more gun violence.

Pretty simple folks. Squeegee your third fucking eye.

Where I live, police presence was increased because of the 560+ carjackings annually. After the increased police presence (which logically meant an increase in guns) the carjacking rate dropped.
Sorry to be so empirical and rain on your democrat parade.

More cops and more body cams means more money but worth it.

Think of all the $ bad cops cost us every year with lawsuits

I agree with body cams, but tons of money is being dumped into stopping the black market drug industry, and they haven't been stopped. There is no way to stop a criminal from getting a gun if they want it, and that's one of many reasons citizens need to be able to defend themselves.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Less guns = less gun violence.

More guns = more gun violence.

Pretty simple folks. Squeegee your third fucking eye.

Where I live, police presence was increased because of the 560+ carjackings annually. After the increased police presence (which logically meant an increase in guns) the carjacking rate dropped.
Sorry to be so empirical and rain on your democrat parade.

More cops and more body cams means more money but worth it.

Think of all the $ bad cops cost us every year with lawsuits

I agree with body cams, but tons of money is being dumped into stopping the black market drug industry, and they haven't been stopped. There is no way to stop a criminal from getting a gun if they want it, and that's one of many reasons citizens need to be able to defend themselves.

Lott observed that “of all the methods studied so far by economists, the carrying of concealed handguns appears to be the most cost-effective method for reducing crime.”

 

[Darkwind]

 

[blackhawk]

Less matches and lighters = less arson
Less rope = less hangings
Less knives = less stabings
You can make that arguement for basically anything.

 

[Darkwind]

Less matches and lighters = less arson
Less rope = less hangings
Less knives = less stabings
You can make that arguement for basically anything.

Yep.

Should just go for the bottom line on this.

Less Humans = Less deaths...

Okay, /thread. Time to go home and set up a party.

 

[LuckyDuck]

You can squawk all you want about less guns, but we're not giving them up. Period.

Doesn't really matter what you say. If the law ever changes, you can be certain that you'll never be above it. Period.

Have you noted how thousands of primitive Afghanis have continued to wage guerilla warfare against the US, and they're only armed with AK-47's, handguns, RPG's and Improvised Explosive Devices? It's been well over a decade. Now, think about armed civilian Americans defending their right to bear arms. Armed private citizens amount to approximately 80 million individuals in the US. If even just ten percent of that 80 million (8 million) and I'd be one of them, refused to give up their firearms without a fight, the bloodshed on both sides would make the civil war pale in comparison. Add in that elements of our own military, many of whom also own their own personal firearms, would rebel.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Not talking about just killing...I'm talking specifically about gun related deaths.

Wow...Spinning the gun grabber argument already...
Hey rookie. if guns are outlawed, the criminals won't give a fuck...
Now, go to another site and post there. In the minors. You're not ready for this place.

LOL

As if this place is the "big leagues?" You flatter yourself, and seem bizarrely unaware of other forums. This is a conservative echo chamber. NONE of you can disprove my initial post. All any of you can do is whine, cry, call me names, but none of you can debate worth a shit. Particularly you.

Like I said. You are marginalized. Bus leaves this evening. Dasvidaniya.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Less matches and lighters = less arson
Less rope = less hangings
Less knives = less stabings
You can make that arguement for basically anything.

Except in his case, the claim was wrong.

 

[SYTFE]

Less matches and lighters = less arson
Less rope = less hangings
Less knives = less stabings
You can make that arguement for basically anything.

Sounds like you're catching on....there's hope for you yet.

 

[blackhawk]

Less matches and lighters = less arson
Less rope = less hangings
Less knives = less stabings
You can make that arguement for basically anything.

Sounds like you're catching on....there's hope for you yet.

Merely pointing out the sillinesses in your post given your not going to reduce any of these things. Seems like your not catching on.

 

[SYTFE]

Less matches and lighters = less arson
Less rope = less hangings
Less knives = less stabings
You can make that arguement for basically anything.

Sounds like you're catching on....there's hope for you yet.

Merely pointing out the sillinesses in your post given your not going to reduce any of these things. Seems like your not catching on.

What am I not catching onto? Are you suggesting that:

More Guns = Less Gun Violence
Less Guns = More Gun Violence?

lol

Or even more ridiculous, that there is no correlation between the presence of guns and the number of gun crimes?

 

[theHawk]

Less guns = less gun violence.

More guns = more gun violence.

Pretty simple folks. Squeegee your third fucking eye.

Less guns = more rapes of women. Especially in multicultural societies.

 

[TooTall]

POP QUIZ:

Do you know why there were zero gun deaths prior to the invention of the gun?

Answer: Because less guns = less gun violence

more guns = more gun violence.

Pretty easy, isn't it "boe?"

I've read some stupid shit on this forum, but this is by far number 1.

Ok then, wombat, guns have been invented and their are hundreds of millions of them in circulation in the US. Without infringing on the 2nd amendment, what are you going to do about it?

Well, you know....there can always be an AMENDMENT to the 2nd. And at the rate we're going, we just might see that happen.

Not a chance of that ever happening.

 

[SYTFE]

No, silly boy, I have this study from that bastion of right wing conservatism....you know, HARVARD, that says it.

It must suck to be you and have one of the pillars of liberalism support us. DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!

WOULD BANNING FIREARMS REDUCE MURDER AND SUICIDE? A REVIEW OF INTERNATIONAL AND SOME DOMESTIC EVIDENCE DON B. KATES* AND GARY MAUSER**
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

makey-uppey statements are ghey

Harvard study concludes that gun control does not prevent murders, other violent crime

Take for example on this thread this idea that less guns = less violence. Anybody with half a brain realizes the nuttiness in that kind of thinking and there are volumes of evidence supporting (ie: Harvard study concludes that gun control does not prevent murders, other violent crime ). Forums like this offer conservatives the ability to highlight the level of disconnect with progressive thought.

Wow. I'm glad I decided to research this bullshit "Harvard study."

"In short, the purported 2007 Harvard "study" with "astonishing" findings was in fact a polemic paper penned by two well-known gun rights activists. Its findings were neither peer-reviewed nor subject to academic scrutiny of any sort prior to its appearance, and the publication that carried it was a self-identified ideology-based editorial outlet edited by Harvard students. The paper disingenuously misrepresented extant research to draw its conclusions, and researchers at Harvard (among which Kates and Mauser were not included) later objected to the paper's being framed as a "study" from Harvard (rather than a law review paper). The paper wasn't "virtually unpublicized research" (as BeliefNet claimed); rather, it was simply not deemed noteworthy at the time it was published due to the fact it was neither a study nor much more than a jointly-written editorial piece representing its authors' unsupported opinions."

FALSE: Harvard University Study Reveals Astonishing Link Between Firearms, Crime and Gun Control

LOL! Why are conservatives so gullible?

 

[SYTFE]

I haven't read the entire thread, but hopefully someone remined all of John Lott's scholarly tome 'More Guns, Less Crime.'

Here,a sample of the work of Professor Lott:
1. In every instance, we have data that show that when a ban is imposed, murder rates rise. In America, people are all too familiar with the increased murder rates in Chicago and Washington, D.C., following their handgun bans. They might even be familiar with the 36 percent drop in murder rates in D.C. since the Supreme Court struck down its handgun ban and gun-lock laws.

This nonsense has been completely discredited.

This study added another full decade to the analysis, extending it through 2010 and concluded the exact opposite of Lott and Mustard’s original conclusion, proving that more guns do in fact equal more crime. (The Impact of Right to Carry Laws and the NRC Report: The Latest Lessons for the Empirical Evaluation of Law and Policy by Abhay Aneja, John J. Donohue, Alexandria Zhang :: SSRN)

From an interview with Stanford:

“The totality of the evidence based on educated judgments about the best statistical models suggests that right-to-carry laws are associated with substantially higher rates” of aggravated assault, rape, robbery and murder, said Donohue.

The strongest evidence was for aggravated assault, with data suggesting that right-to-carry (RTC) laws increase this crime by an estimated 8 percent – and this may actually be understated, according to the researchers.

“Our analysis of the year-by-year impact of RTC laws also suggests that RTC laws increase aggravated assaults,” they wrote.

(Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime, Stanford research shows)

 

[SYTFE]

This conservative echo chamber sure is amusing…

Is anyone Home Home home home home…?

Anyone ready for a review? Let’s review the facts.

Study after study consistently shows how increases in firearms ownership are positively correlated with increases in homicide and suicide. Let’s take a look a few.

In this paper, “More Guns, More Crime,” the author concluded “My findings demonstrate that changes in gun ownership are significantly positively related to changes in the homicide rate, with this relationship driven entirely by the impact of gun ownership on murders in which a gun is used.” (More Guns, More Crime)

Another study concluded, “We observed a robust correlation between higher levels of gun ownership and higher firearm homicide rates. Although we could not determine causation, we found that states with higher rates of gun ownership had disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides,” and “Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates (incidence rate ratio = 1.009; 95% confidence interval = 1.004, 1.014). This model indicated that for each percentage point increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9%.” (Source)

Yet another study concluded that “Access to firearms is associated with risk for completed suicide and being the victim of homicide.” (The Accessibility of Firearms and Risk for Suicide and Homicide Victimization Among Household Members: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis | Annals of Internal Medicine)

Here’s another one that concluded that “Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime.” (http://phys.org/news/2014-11-right-to-carry-gun-laws-linked-violent.html)

The US gun homicide rate is 70 times higher and 35 times the gun suicide rate of the United Kingdom. Wonder why that is? (List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

The US firearm murder rate for those aged 15 to 25 is an incredible 42 times higher than in other high-income countries, according to another study. They also concluded, “The United States has far higher rates of firearm deaths-firearm homicides, firearm suicides, and unintentional firearm deaths compared with other high-income countries. The US overall suicide rate is not out of line with these countries, but the United States is an outlier in terms of our overall homicide rate.” (Homicide, suicide, and unintentional firearm fatality: comparing the United States with other high-income countries, 2003. - PubMed - NCBI)

Finally, we have ACTUAL published, studies from Harvard — not done by nutjob gun activists — that concluded that where there are more guns there is more homicide. They also concluded that “More guns = more homicides of the police.” (https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/)

 

[thereisnospoon]

This conservative echo chamber sure is amusing…

Is anyone Home Home home home home…?

Anyone ready for a review? Let’s review the facts.

Study after study consistently shows how increases in firearms ownership are positively correlated with increases in homicide and suicide. Let’s take a look a few.

In this paper, “More Guns, More Crime,” the author concluded “My findings demonstrate that changes in gun ownership are significantly positively related to changes in the homicide rate, with this relationship driven entirely by the impact of gun ownership on murders in which a gun is used.” (More Guns, More Crime)

Another study concluded, “We observed a robust correlation between higher levels of gun ownership and higher firearm homicide rates. Although we could not determine causation, we found that states with higher rates of gun ownership had disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides,” and “Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates (incidence rate ratio = 1.009; 95% confidence interval = 1.004, 1.014). This model indicated that for each percentage point increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9%.” (Source)

Yet another study concluded that “Access to firearms is associated with risk for completed suicide and being the victim of homicide.” (The Accessibility of Firearms and Risk for Suicide and Homicide Victimization Among Household Members: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis | Annals of Internal Medicine)

Here’s another one that concluded that “Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime.” (http://phys.org/news/2014-11-right-to-carry-gun-laws-linked-violent.html)

The US gun homicide rate is 70 times higher and 35 times the gun suicide rate of the United Kingdom. Wonder why that is? (List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

The US firearm murder rate for those aged 15 to 25 is an incredible 42 times higher than in other high-income countries, according to another study. They also concluded, “The United States has far higher rates of firearm deaths-firearm homicides, firearm suicides, and unintentional firearm deaths compared with other high-income countries. The US overall suicide rate is not out of line with these countries, but the United States is an outlier in terms of our overall homicide rate.” (Homicide, suicide, and unintentional firearm fatality: comparing the United States with other high-income countries, 2003. - PubMed - NCBI)

Finally, we have ACTUAL published, studies from Harvard — not done by nutjob gun activists — that concluded that where there are more guns there is more homicide. They also concluded that “More guns = more homicides of the police.” (https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/)

Stop the bullshit.
Petition your US House member and US Senator to write a request to convene a Constitutional Convention.
The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.
Failing that all of your complaining and bloviating is useless and a waste of time.

 

[Geaux4it]

Less guns = less gun violence.

More guns = more gun violence.

Pretty simple folks. Squeegee your third fucking eye.

gfys

Thanks
-Geaux

 

[sealybobo]

There was a time in American history early 1900s I think the politicians tried passing a gun tax of what today would be a couple thousand dollars. I think it's a great idea.

If you want a car you gotta pay at least $5000 for a car. If you want a gun bad enough pay for it.

Put the tax into social security or towards the debt.

Black market business would be booming.

We would better regulate future gun purchases. Nothing you can do about all the guns already out there though.

So yes initially black market value would go up but our law enforcement can go after the criminals. Imaging a war on illegal gun runners instead of drugs.

But then the cartels will be the gun manufacturers. Just like the modern day alcohol makers were the rum runners during Prohibition

You moron!!!!!!


The only people who obey the law are the ones who would abide by it!!!!!!


What the heck is wrong with Liberals??????

What we are doing now is making it too easy to find a gun. We could do things that would hurt the black market and not affect you but you and the NRA won't have it

It's the black market because its own existence is illegal. Nothing the government does can effect the black market.

Bullshit. You do know it could be a lot easier to get acid if it weren't for the government. Or mally or exstacy. Or cocaine. I can't find any of that stuff thank god cause I love me some drugs!