No Negotiations Until Federal Gov Opens

[hadit]

Shutdown Day 17: White House, Dems disagree on definition of ‘negotiating’

seems to me that they couldn't negotiate so that's why it was shut down. why is reopening it going to change anything?

in any event, what i don't understand is back in 2006 hillary, obama and many on the left said yes, walls are needed. they just didn't want a LONG wall that stretched out in areas where it doesn't make sense. use drones and technology to also supplement this.

so why not go back to what they wanted in 2006 and say "we'll compromise and do this" - around 700-1000 miles of walls *and* technology THEN we follow up by working on DACA and why immigration got to be such a hassle next.

instead we've put ourselves in a collective position where we simply refuse anything but what we want, even if we don't want it but only NOW want it cause *THEY* DON'T want it. whatever it is.

our government's collective mental age is around 8.

Democrats idiea of bi-partisan negotiations:

"Give us everything we want and we'll leave you alone for 30 seconds.......then we'll make fun of you for years for caving into our ridiculous demands!!!"

That's what Bush Sr found out. They hammered him to raise taxes, then when he did, used it to campaign against him.

 

[candycorn]

Shutdown Day 17: White House, Dems disagree on definition of ‘negotiating’

seems to me that they couldn't negotiate so that's why it was shut down. why is reopening it going to change anything?

in any event, what i don't understand is back in 2006 hillary, obama and many on the left said yes, walls are needed. they just didn't want a LONG wall that stretched out in areas where it doesn't make sense. use drones and technology to also supplement this.

so why not go back to what they wanted in 2006 and say "we'll compromise and do this" - around 700-1000 miles of walls *and* technology THEN we follow up by working on DACA and why immigration got to be such a hassle next.

instead we've put ourselves in a collective position where we simply refuse anything but what we want, even if we don't want it but only NOW want it cause *THEY* DON'T want it. whatever it is.

our government's collective mental age is around 8.

Democrats idiea of bi-partisan negotiations:

"Give us everything we want and we'll leave you alone for 30 seconds.......then we'll make fun of you for years for caving into our ridiculous demands!!!"

That's what Bush Sr found out. They hammered him too raise taxes, then when he did, used it to campaign against him.

Nobody forced Bush Sr. to sign a tax increase.

Hey, when you make a definitive statement and have to go back on it, it’s going to hurt you politically. What do you expect to happen. What the blob is doubling down on—the wall—is based on an obscene lie. It’s going to hurt you politically. Sorry.

 

[hadit]

Shutdown Day 17: White House, Dems disagree on definition of ‘negotiating’

seems to me that they couldn't negotiate so that's why it was shut down. why is reopening it going to change anything?

in any event, what i don't understand is back in 2006 hillary, obama and many on the left said yes, walls are needed. they just didn't want a LONG wall that stretched out in areas where it doesn't make sense. use drones and technology to also supplement this.

so why not go back to what they wanted in 2006 and say "we'll compromise and do this" - around 700-1000 miles of walls *and* technology THEN we follow up by working on DACA and why immigration got to be such a hassle next.

instead we've put ourselves in a collective position where we simply refuse anything but what we want, even if we don't want it but only NOW want it cause *THEY* DON'T want it. whatever it is.

our government's collective mental age is around 8.

Democrats idiea of bi-partisan negotiations:

"Give us everything we want and we'll leave you alone for 30 seconds.......then we'll make fun of you for years for caving into our ridiculous demands!!!"

That's what Bush Sr found out. They hammered him too raise taxes, then when he did, used it to campaign against him.

Nobody forced Bush Sr. to sign a tax increase.

Hey, when you make a definitive statement and have to go back on it, it’s going to hurt you politically. What do you expect to happen. What the blob is doubling down on—the wall—is based on an obscene lie. It’s going to hurt you politically. Sorry.

I didn't say they forced him to do it. I said they hammered on him.

 

[jc456]

no they don't. Taxes don't show where money was laundered, that takes an investigation after someone is shown a crime was committed. perhaps if you did some investigative work you'd actually learn why a tax return is. just saying, you ain't the brightest bulb in the pack.

And trump doesn't show them because he's so honest how dare anyone question him? He's a crook and you're blind

Why do you need them? Can’t answer?

Because tax EXPERTS can find how the pos has been f-ing the system

Isn’t the irs tax experts? He’s under audits they found nothing. Who besides the IRS do you need? TDS fk

Look you trumpette you traitor ever hear of forensic accountants? They will tear a new hole into your trump lying scumbag

dude you have TDS bad. such rage for a President of the US. you should be careful with how much you post your rage.

 

[jc456]

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Iceberg....

Isreal built the wall to secure areas in the West Bank that they didn't own... It is a complicated internal politics between Israelis and the Illegal Settlers...

Lets start with one thing... If the wall is built on US land then asylum seekers can just walk up to the walk and ask for asylum and under US law they have to be taken in and given the opportunity of defending their claim in court. So those Caravans are let in...

Visa over stays will still happen and the wall won't protect against that...

The fence in place right now about 700 miles of it cost about $7.5bn and it costs about $1bn a year to maintain... It divides Communities and not alway Mexican and Americans, sometimes Americans and Americans... A wall is very effective at dividing communities, remember 1 million people cross the border a day. Inflicting a wall to people in just Big Government crap... They have been living there for generations with no barriers in there communities, now the Government is coming along and dividing people and telling them were they can go...

Also there is the small detail of us having this southern border situation for about 60 years and during that time....there was never any crisis; in fact our nation thrived.

But some orange blob comes along and tells you there is a crisis and these idiots believe it. If you examine the pre-trump posting history, the border is rarely brought up.

It’s as funny as it is sad.

if there was never a crisis, why did we need to give amnesty so many times? you all crack me up with the little knowledge you have about our country. Ever hear of the Alamo? fk I cannot tolerate your kind of stupid. there just is no thinking at all.

The Alamo...before Texas was even part of the country. Hardly relevant. Amnesty caused so much misery....not!

LOL. I knew you knew nothing about our fine land

Well, the battle was in 1836; Texas didn't become a state until 1845. Apparently it is you who is ignorant.

who fought in the war? And btw, they lost.

 

[jc456]

Appointed? Shitload?

You are awesome. You don't think Trump ought to release his tax returns? Really? You don't care?

nope not at all. not sure what it proves. we know he paid taxes, if that's what you need to know, you even know how much on one return, and it still didn't satisfy you. so it isn't about that either. now it's just tds.

it's not a requirement to run for office so drop it. they're simply inventing shit to whine about at this point and reminding me again to stop hitting "show ignored".

until it becomes a requirement to run, i simply don't care. if an issue was there i believe the IRS would find it. lord knows they find any mistakes i make.

Again, content is not the topic; Trump’s honesty and credibility is

How do you get by with so much rage psycho. Name one thing he did to you?

He's done nothing to me except confirm the low-quality individual he is. Why you guys continue to defend him is puzzling; not surprising...but puzzling none the less. You have nowhere else to go. In 2024 (one way or the other), you're going to have to vote for someone who doesn't share any of the values you're clinging tightly to today. It will be fun

low quality means what exactly? you don't like more money, more employment, GDS over 3% first time in ten years? middle class prospering? what is it jck off that he's fking done to you for that kind of talk? Other than you just fking hate a human that much. what a disgraceful human being you are.

 

[22lcidw]

Why do you need them? Can’t answer?

Because tax EXPERTS can find how the pos has been f-ing the system

you think the irs missed something?

right now you are bitching cause he wont show you. now even if he does you are going to bitch about whatever the left decides needs to be bitched at.

face it. either way you are gonna bitch.

Bull If he's clean he's clean BUT you gotta know that the crook never changed his stripes He can't show his taxes because they'll nail him to a wall

It doesn't matter anymore. To me, this is the last chance for our children. It takes a man with his flaws to try to bring sensibility back from all of our selfishness. You had a sitting president(Obama) say it was okay for a man to wear a dress in public bathrooms where little girls go into! What the hell is the matter with you! These progressive agendas once based on dignity and fairness have driven people crazy with the extremes.

So you put the fox into the henhouse to babysit the chickens??

Never trust a Progressive Socialist, RINO/NEO CON or people empowered in power positions on any working class level. Or they might knife you!

 

[jc456]

no they don't. Taxes don't show where money was laundered, that takes an investigation after someone is shown a crime was committed. perhaps if you did some investigative work you'd actually learn why a tax return is. just saying, you ain't the brightest bulb in the pack.

And trump doesn't show them because he's so honest how dare anyone question him? He's a crook and you're blind

Why do you need them? Can’t answer?

Because tax EXPERTS can find how the pos has been f-ing the system

you think the irs missed something?

right now you are bitching cause he wont show you. now even if he does you are going to bitch about whatever the left decides needs to be bitched at.

face it. either way you are gonna bitch.

That's all neat and all, but Trump made a calculated decision not to release his returns. He calculated that releasing them would do more damage than withholding them. And that's a fact.

and he was right. cause the first thing that would happen is you all would go fking ape shit over something that isn't legitimate. Just saying he is in a no win situation with people like you leftists.

 

[Avatar4321]

So how exactly is it negotiation if we have to give them what they want before we get it?

If opening the government is so important to you, fund the wall

 

[jc456]

Shutdown Day 17: White House, Dems disagree on definition of ‘negotiating’

seems to me that they couldn't negotiate so that's why it was shut down. why is reopening it going to change anything?

in any event, what i don't understand is back in 2006 hillary, obama and many on the left said yes, walls are needed. they just didn't want a LONG wall that stretched out in areas where it doesn't make sense. use drones and technology to also supplement this.

so why not go back to what they wanted in 2006 and say "we'll compromise and do this" - around 700-1000 miles of walls *and* technology THEN we follow up by working on DACA and why immigration got to be such a hassle next.

instead we've put ourselves in a collective position where we simply refuse anything but what we want, even if we don't want it but only NOW want it cause *THEY* DON'T want it. whatever it is.

our government's collective mental age is around 8.

Democrats idiea of bi-partisan negotiations:

"Give us everything we want and we'll leave you alone for 30 seconds.......then we'll make fun of you for years for caving into our ridiculous demands!!!"

That's what Bush Sr found out. They hammered him too raise taxes, then when he did, used it to campaign against him.

Nobody forced Bush Sr. to sign a tax increase.

Hey, when you make a definitive statement and have to go back on it, it’s going to hurt you politically. What do you expect to happen. What the blob is doubling down on—the wall—is based on an obscene lie. It’s going to hurt you politically. Sorry.

so you believe in keeping campaign promises then? isn't that what Trump is doing? you stupid fks can't make up your own fking mind if you beat off with the right or left hand. I tell you.

 

[jc456]

So how exactly is it negotiation if we have to give them what they want before we get it?

If opening the government is so important to you, fund the wall

that really seems so simple for average thinking human beings with a mind.

 

[Avatar4321]

So how exactly is it negotiation if we have to give them what they want before we get it?

If opening the government is so important to you, fund the wall

that really seems so simple for average thinking human beings with a mind.

Neither side wants to just take responsibility for it. Just own it people

 

[jc456]

So how exactly is it negotiation if we have to give them what they want before we get it?

If opening the government is so important to you, fund the wall

that really seems so simple for average thinking human beings with a mind.

Neither side wants to just take responsibility for it. Just own it people

when a political party hate is so extreme that it overrides the people they took an oath to protect, well, I'm ashamed of those people. Trump won on the wall. Those who voted for him want the wall. And the other party hates the man so much they say fk you people of the US, you ain't getting shit, jobs either. what a bunch of pukey punks with no soul.

 

[jc456]

And trump doesn't show them because he's so honest how dare anyone question him? He's a crook and you're blind

Why do you need them? Can’t answer?

Because tax EXPERTS can find how the pos has been f-ing the system

you think the irs missed something?

right now you are bitching cause he wont show you. now even if he does you are going to bitch about whatever the left decides needs to be bitched at.

face it. either way you are gonna bitch.

Bull If he's clean he's clean BUT you gotta know that the crook never changed his stripes He can't show his taxes because they'll nail him to a wall

bullshit. you just want to bitch n pretend the irs missed these huge flags the media will uncover.

you mean make up? fakey akey news.

 

[easyt65]

Everyone with a pulse and half a brain already knows Pelosi, Schumer, and the Democrats will NEVER negotiate to secure the border and build the wall if the President gives them everything they want for nothing in return.

Democrats claim the President is holding the country hostage, but it is a clear lie: President Trump is the one who has offered options, alternatives, who has been willing to negotiate on the issue. Pelosi and Schumer are the ones who have publicly shown they refuse to negotiate / compromise - it is 'Give us everything we want or the government stays shut down!'

You have to be brain-dead to even consider the idea that Democrats who are currently violating Federal Law by running Federal Law-Violating Sanctuary Cities that have been proven to be harboring and protecting from judicial punishment / deportation violent illegals, murderers, rapists, thieves, human traffickers, drug smugglers, violent MS13 Gang Members, and cop killers SERIOUSLY want to negotiate to ensure our national security, secure our borders, end the flow of illegals across our borders,, and to protect our citizens.
- No matter how many news reports come out about how violent illegals - some who have been deported and keep coming back across our porous borders - victimize and murder Americans, the Democrats are not motivated to secure our borders and protect Americans. Hell, another story about how an illegal murdered a young policeman and how he was living and being protected in a Democrat-Run Sanctuary City did nothing to make snowflakes / Democrats even consider, 'Hey, maybe we should not let politicians break federal law and protect violent illegal criminals'! Instead it was, 'No Big Deal' or 'Didn't happen - the President is just Lying'.

Only a brainwashed liberal Sheep - the poster child for Jonathon Gruber's speeches on how the average Democrat was stupid and how the democratic party counted on them to be that stupid so they could continue to get away with what they get away with - can listen to Pelosi, Schumer, and Democrats claim how much they are for enforcing US Law / US Immigration Law / US Election Law when the Democratic party repeatedly gets busted registering illegals, allowing illegals to vote, and - after getting caught - bust their asses lying, denying, and finally justifying / defending their doing so!

Snipes in Broward country did not only break laws this past election in favor of the Democrats, she is on record as having cheated in elections / has been caught breaking lection rules / laws over decades in numerous elections...and Democrats and snowflakes still defend her. (I bet some will now.) This woman should be stripped of her right to ever vote or participate in any voting process ever again.

So when Pelosi and Chucky stood up in front of the nation, looking painfully constipated, and demanded the President give them everything they want in exchange for nothing except an OBVIOUS bullshit promise to negotiate the building of a wall (which they already voted to do twice - 2007/2013 yet have not done), you KNOW they are lying their asses off and have no intention of giving the President and American people what they want.

They have actually even openly declared they will NEVER give Trump anything. Schumer declared on Day 1 oh Trump's Presidency that the Democrats were / are 100% committed to resistance, to obstruction, to undermining this government, and in opposition to denying the President and GOP of anything they try to accomplish! You can't get any plainer than that! Yet, in the last few weeks they have both openly stated they will give the President NOTHING towards this wall, that they will NOT allow it to happen.

Yet last night we are suddenly supposed to believe these to seditious traitors have had a change of heart and will be willing to negotiate in good faith AFTER Trump gives them everything they want?!

Bwuhahahaha...... Yeah, NOT!

 

[sartre play]

Now we are fighting over who hates the most? I don't get it.

 

[bendog]

Shutdown Day 17: White House, Dems disagree on definition of ‘negotiating’

seems to me that they couldn't negotiate so that's why it was shut down. why is reopening it going to change anything?

in any event, what i don't understand is back in 2006 hillary, obama and many on the left said yes, walls are needed. they just didn't want a LONG wall that stretched out in areas where it doesn't make sense. use drones and technology to also supplement this.

so why not go back to what they wanted in 2006 and say "we'll compromise and do this" - around 700-1000 miles of walls *and* technology THEN we follow up by working on DACA and why immigration got to be such a hassle next.

instead we've put ourselves in a collective position where we simply refuse anything but what we want, even if we don't want it but only NOW want it cause *THEY* DON'T want it. whatever it is.

our government's collective mental age is around 8.

No sane person would trust Donald's word on DACA.

funny. i hear no sane person would trust many politicians at all. now we want to get specific because a specific validates hate.

it's like pulling 1 person out of a subset of 100 and blaming them for their traits but ignoring the 99 who also do the same thing. the main reason people do this is hate.

Most presidents don't back out of deals they've given their word on

Actually you don't negotiate that way unless you're a bankruptcy artist.

glad to see you're not coming in from a predisposed notion that you refuse to change regardless of circumstances.

Presidents can't give their word on a deal and then back out when talk show hosts don't like it. Not if the president wants to have any credibility in making a deal later on. Trump is toast.

 

[edward37]

And trump doesn't show them because he's so honest how dare anyone question him? He's a crook and you're blind

Why do you need them? Can’t answer?

Because tax EXPERTS can find how the pos has been f-ing the system

Isn’t the irs tax experts? He’s under audits they found nothing. Who besides the IRS do you need? TDS fk

Look you trumpette you traitor ever hear of forensic accountants? They will tear a new hole into your trump lying scumbag

dude you have TDS bad. such rage for a President of the US. you should be careful with how much you post your rage.

I'm trying jc But I have the bad habit of calling shit shit Don't need to dress it up

 

[candycorn]

As soon as we get the check from Mexico, he will have kept his campaign promise.

 

[bendog]

Why do you need them? Can’t answer?

Because tax EXPERTS can find how the pos has been f-ing the system

Isn’t the irs tax experts? He’s under audits they found nothing. Who besides the IRS do you need? TDS fk

Look you trumpette you traitor ever hear of forensic accountants? They will tear a new hole into your trump lying scumbag

dude you have TDS bad. such rage for a President of the US. you should be careful with how much you post your rage.

I'm trying jc But I have the bad habit of calling shit shit Don't need to dress it up

It appears Trump's tv appeal for money will let him keep his base, but it seems clear to that the dems just don't have to do a deal with him. The gop will cave.

And his taxes aren't his problem now. It also appears that Mueller has at least one direct tie between his campaign and the former KGB sharing election data. He may still avoid impeachment because the gop senators fear his base, and some Bannonesque led charge of the White Supremecist Brigade