No Negotiations Until Federal Gov Opens

[iceberg]

first - i never said you. i said hate is an american culture problem.

you're the one needing to push me to "the left" because you and i don't agree. you're the one who says the left is all evil and cannot be compromised with. am i wrong on any of that so far?

your premise is now that everyone on "the left" is ANTI-AMERICAN.

i'm for strict border security. i'm for ending birth right citizenship. i'm for making people go through our processes to come into this country and if they are too difficult, then stay the fuck out.

but i'm NOT for stereotyping people who disagree with me into a "hate group" and claiming that because you don't agree with me, you hate america.

*that* is our fundamental issue these days. we simply can't disagree anymore w/o it becoming a huge issue that must be pushed to the extreme every single fucking time.

so we disagree. i fail to see how that makes either of us evil or america-haters.

well, again, I called out the left and as far as I'm concerned they hate america. I give two shits what you or anyone else thinks. Liberals use to be sane negotiators at one time in their existence and then the left took over. They aren't for working america, it's why clinton lost. she couldn't ever say the fking word middle class. they mock coal workers who are back at work, they mock those who believe in a border wall, they mock the tax cut, all things american. So excuse my sorry ass for not having some concern that they are not for what america is for. Not to mention taking away the 1st and 2nd amendments. but dude, hey go comfort their hateful american bashing asses, I give two shits. and go trump and build that mthr fking wall and then get rid of DACA. fk all illegals, that ain't hate, that's AMERICAN PRIDE.

i've already said the "extreme" natures on both sides are really making life difficult for the rest of us in the middle. this entire discussion is exhibit a i suppose.

you and i disagree, and in just a few short posts, over a year of posting history is forgotten cause you and i don't agree on a topic. i never called you out on it, never said you were not american or the like. all i said was hate is a common thread on both sides and it's killing the country.

you're simply not being reasonable nor listening to what i'm saying, now that you've slid me to the left. in fact i'm saying you have every right to feel the way you do and voice your concerns. even if that means you hate me along the way. that is in fact a right we all do share, correct?

if they come after guns, i'm there to fight against it. lock stock and barrel so to speak. i think 90% of the anti-gun crowd are just parrots who simply don't understand guns, so instead of learning where they're wrong, they want 'em all gone. i think that's ass-nugget stupid.

but you're on an emotional rant right now worthy of being... "liberal". so have fun. i support your right to do so.

well dude, you are to the left of me. you think diplomacy works..

i quit reading here. you're in an emotional attack mode and not about to listen to reason from someone you're "mad" at.

you just said no one on the right will ever try diplomacy. after that nothing intelligent can follow so i'm out for now.

with a leftist, that is correct. Again, I explained in a previous post, they don't negotiate. So it's something that isn't even on the table. You're watching it play out with the phrase from the left, you have to open the government to negotiate. well duh, if you open the government why would they then negotiate? for someone like you to believe that tactic speaks loudly.

I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. Whimpy said it best.

i don't disagree with you when dealing with "extreme" left but to say NO ONE ON THE LEFT WILL COMPROMISE isn't something i believe in as a whole picture.

that said, i do hope trump holds his ground here cause those on the "extreme left" cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

 

[hadit]

Shutdown Day 17: White House, Dems disagree on definition of ‘negotiating’

seems to me that they couldn't negotiate so that's why it was shut down. why is reopening it going to change anything?

in any event, what i don't understand is back in 2006 hillary, obama and many on the left said yes, walls are needed. they just didn't want a LONG wall that stretched out in areas where it doesn't make sense. use drones and technology to also supplement this.

so why not go back to what they wanted in 2006 and say "we'll compromise and do this" - around 700-1000 miles of walls *and* technology THEN we follow up by working on DACA and why immigration got to be such a hassle next.

instead we've put ourselves in a collective position where we simply refuse anything but what we want, even if we don't want it but only NOW want it cause *THEY* DON'T want it. whatever it is.

our government's collective mental age is around 8.

One problem is Trump has never laid down a concise plan of what he wants border security to be and why

Specify which sections require solid wall, where fencing is needed and where electronic surveillance is preferred. Then provide costs

Instead, we get one size fits all......wall, wall, wall

And the democrats, losing a golden opportunity to appear serious for a change, have settled into one size fits all... nothing, nothing, nothing.

 

[jc456]

well, again, I called out the left and as far as I'm concerned they hate america. I give two shits what you or anyone else thinks. Liberals use to be sane negotiators at one time in their existence and then the left took over. They aren't for working america, it's why clinton lost. she couldn't ever say the fking word middle class. they mock coal workers who are back at work, they mock those who believe in a border wall, they mock the tax cut, all things american. So excuse my sorry ass for not having some concern that they are not for what america is for. Not to mention taking away the 1st and 2nd amendments. but dude, hey go comfort their hateful american bashing asses, I give two shits. and go trump and build that mthr fking wall and then get rid of DACA. fk all illegals, that ain't hate, that's AMERICAN PRIDE.

i've already said the "extreme" natures on both sides are really making life difficult for the rest of us in the middle. this entire discussion is exhibit a i suppose.

you and i disagree, and in just a few short posts, over a year of posting history is forgotten cause you and i don't agree on a topic. i never called you out on it, never said you were not american or the like. all i said was hate is a common thread on both sides and it's killing the country.

you're simply not being reasonable nor listening to what i'm saying, now that you've slid me to the left. in fact i'm saying you have every right to feel the way you do and voice your concerns. even if that means you hate me along the way. that is in fact a right we all do share, correct?

if they come after guns, i'm there to fight against it. lock stock and barrel so to speak. i think 90% of the anti-gun crowd are just parrots who simply don't understand guns, so instead of learning where they're wrong, they want 'em all gone. i think that's ass-nugget stupid.

but you're on an emotional rant right now worthy of being... "liberal". so have fun. i support your right to do so.

well dude, you are to the left of me. you think diplomacy works..

i quit reading here. you're in an emotional attack mode and not about to listen to reason from someone you're "mad" at.

you just said no one on the right will ever try diplomacy. after that nothing intelligent can follow so i'm out for now.

with a leftist, that is correct. Again, I explained in a previous post, they don't negotiate. So it's something that isn't even on the table. You're watching it play out with the phrase from the left, you have to open the government to negotiate. well duh, if you open the government why would they then negotiate? for someone like you to believe that tactic speaks loudly.

I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. Whimpy said it best.

i don't disagree with you when dealing with "extreme" left but to say NO ONE ON THE LEFT WILL COMPROMISE isn't something i believe in as a whole picture.

that said, i do hope trump holds his ground here cause those on the "extreme left" cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

no dem is willing to stand up against the extreme left. Period. not one dem voted for a tax cut for americans. sorry, if they aren't strong enough to believe in what's right for america and instead back that extreme stupidity, is how I get to where all on the left are extreme left. they don't separate.

At least the GOP has those factions, the freedom caucus and other groups within the GOP, Rand Paul for example. name a dem that separates from the extreme left. I can think of one, but that's it. The senator that voted for Kavanaugh. I applaud that mthr fker, that had to be hard and still call himself a dem. but he did it.

I still can't believe not one democrat voted for tax cuts for american workers. sad.

 

[bripat9643]

The sure sign that someone is an idiot is that they think that whining about Mexico paying for the wall is a good argument.

sure sign of an idiot is someone that keeps arguing with an idiot.

have a nice day.

Just hoping someone who voted for the blob can be truthful. I know it’s too much to hope for.

just hoping people will stop having to insult each other at every opportunity as that is the leading cause of our continued hate.

i know it's too much to hope for.

The cause of the hate is the fact that the left is trying to destroy the country. On top of that their leftwing professors have brainwashed them to hate everything that is normal and sensible.

the cause of the hate is pretending our neighbors are our enemies out to kill us.

No one is pretending they want to kill us. However we don't need them here, and we don't want them here. They take jobs from Americans and consume our social services. This country has enough people.

 

[candycorn]

first - i never said you. i said hate is an american culture problem.

you're the one needing to push me to "the left" because you and i don't agree. you're the one who says the left is all evil and cannot be compromised with. am i wrong on any of that so far?

your premise is now that everyone on "the left" is ANTI-AMERICAN.

i'm for strict border security. i'm for ending birth right citizenship. i'm for making people go through our processes to come into this country and if they are too difficult, then stay the fuck out.

but i'm NOT for stereotyping people who disagree with me into a "hate group" and claiming that because you don't agree with me, you hate america.

*that* is our fundamental issue these days. we simply can't disagree anymore w/o it becoming a huge issue that must be pushed to the extreme every single fucking time.

so we disagree. i fail to see how that makes either of us evil or america-haters.

well, again, I called out the left and as far as I'm concerned they hate america. I give two shits what you or anyone else thinks. Liberals use to be sane negotiators at one time in their existence and then the left took over. They aren't for working america, it's why clinton lost. she couldn't ever say the fking word middle class. they mock coal workers who are back at work, they mock those who believe in a border wall, they mock the tax cut, all things american. So excuse my sorry ass for not having some concern that they are not for what america is for. Not to mention taking away the 1st and 2nd amendments. but dude, hey go comfort their hateful american bashing asses, I give two shits. and go trump and build that mthr fking wall and then get rid of DACA. fk all illegals, that ain't hate, that's AMERICAN PRIDE.

i've already said the "extreme" natures on both sides are really making life difficult for the rest of us in the middle. this entire discussion is exhibit a i suppose.

you and i disagree, and in just a few short posts, over a year of posting history is forgotten cause you and i don't agree on a topic. i never called you out on it, never said you were not american or the like. all i said was hate is a common thread on both sides and it's killing the country.

you're simply not being reasonable nor listening to what i'm saying, now that you've slid me to the left. in fact i'm saying you have every right to feel the way you do and voice your concerns. even if that means you hate me along the way. that is in fact a right we all do share, correct?

if they come after guns, i'm there to fight against it. lock stock and barrel so to speak. i think 90% of the anti-gun crowd are just parrots who simply don't understand guns, so instead of learning where they're wrong, they want 'em all gone. i think that's ass-nugget stupid.

but you're on an emotional rant right now worthy of being... "liberal". so have fun. i support your right to do so.

well dude, you are to the left of me. you think diplomacy works..

i quit reading here. you're in an emotional attack mode and not about to listen to reason from someone you're "mad" at.

you just said no one on the right will ever try diplomacy. after that nothing intelligent can follow so i'm out for now.

with a leftist, that is correct. Again, I explained in a previous post, they don't negotiate. So it's something that isn't even on the table. You're watching it play out with the phrase from the left, you have to open the government to negotiate. well duh, if you open the government why would they then negotiate? for someone like you to believe that tactic speaks loudly.

I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. Whimpy said it best.

When can we expect the check from Mexico? Next Tuesday?

 

[bripat9643]

Shutdown Day 17: White House, Dems disagree on definition of ‘negotiating’

seems to me that they couldn't negotiate so that's why it was shut down. why is reopening it going to change anything?

in any event, what i don't understand is back in 2006 hillary, obama and many on the left said yes, walls are needed. they just didn't want a LONG wall that stretched out in areas where it doesn't make sense. use drones and technology to also supplement this.

so why not go back to what they wanted in 2006 and say "we'll compromise and do this" - around 700-1000 miles of walls *and* technology THEN we follow up by working on DACA and why immigration got to be such a hassle next.

instead we've put ourselves in a collective position where we simply refuse anything but what we want, even if we don't want it but only NOW want it cause *THEY* DON'T want it. whatever it is.

our government's collective mental age is around 8.

Any agreement that doesn't have DACA instituted FIRST is a fool's errand. Trump simply can not be trusted

Wrong. The wall will be funded first. DACA is going nowhere until our border is secure.

 

[jc456]

well, again, I called out the left and as far as I'm concerned they hate america. I give two shits what you or anyone else thinks. Liberals use to be sane negotiators at one time in their existence and then the left took over. They aren't for working america, it's why clinton lost. she couldn't ever say the fking word middle class. they mock coal workers who are back at work, they mock those who believe in a border wall, they mock the tax cut, all things american. So excuse my sorry ass for not having some concern that they are not for what america is for. Not to mention taking away the 1st and 2nd amendments. but dude, hey go comfort their hateful american bashing asses, I give two shits. and go trump and build that mthr fking wall and then get rid of DACA. fk all illegals, that ain't hate, that's AMERICAN PRIDE.

i've already said the "extreme" natures on both sides are really making life difficult for the rest of us in the middle. this entire discussion is exhibit a i suppose.

you and i disagree, and in just a few short posts, over a year of posting history is forgotten cause you and i don't agree on a topic. i never called you out on it, never said you were not american or the like. all i said was hate is a common thread on both sides and it's killing the country.

you're simply not being reasonable nor listening to what i'm saying, now that you've slid me to the left. in fact i'm saying you have every right to feel the way you do and voice your concerns. even if that means you hate me along the way. that is in fact a right we all do share, correct?

if they come after guns, i'm there to fight against it. lock stock and barrel so to speak. i think 90% of the anti-gun crowd are just parrots who simply don't understand guns, so instead of learning where they're wrong, they want 'em all gone. i think that's ass-nugget stupid.

but you're on an emotional rant right now worthy of being... "liberal". so have fun. i support your right to do so.

well dude, you are to the left of me. you think diplomacy works..

i quit reading here. you're in an emotional attack mode and not about to listen to reason from someone you're "mad" at.

you just said no one on the right will ever try diplomacy. after that nothing intelligent can follow so i'm out for now.

with a leftist, that is correct. Again, I explained in a previous post, they don't negotiate. So it's something that isn't even on the table. You're watching it play out with the phrase from the left, you have to open the government to negotiate. well duh, if you open the government why would they then negotiate? for someone like you to believe that tactic speaks loudly.

I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. Whimpy said it best.

i don't disagree with you when dealing with "extreme" left but to say NO ONE ON THE LEFT WILL COMPROMISE isn't something i believe in as a whole picture.

that said, i do hope trump holds his ground here cause those on the "extreme left" cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

You make my point. Remember my Reagan statement in an earlier post? too funny, you make my argument that the left, extreme or whatever, again, in the face of extreme left, there is no other left left, they reneg on all deals. they are evil people. I have history on my side. kkk ring a bell? Sanctuary cities? dude, the mere fact you call GOP equal to that evil is too far for me.

 

[Lesh]

Wrong. The wall will be funded first. DACA is going nowhere until our border is secure.

That attitude is why DACA needs to be enacted FIRST

 

[jc456]

well, again, I called out the left and as far as I'm concerned they hate america. I give two shits what you or anyone else thinks. Liberals use to be sane negotiators at one time in their existence and then the left took over. They aren't for working america, it's why clinton lost. she couldn't ever say the fking word middle class. they mock coal workers who are back at work, they mock those who believe in a border wall, they mock the tax cut, all things american. So excuse my sorry ass for not having some concern that they are not for what america is for. Not to mention taking away the 1st and 2nd amendments. but dude, hey go comfort their hateful american bashing asses, I give two shits. and go trump and build that mthr fking wall and then get rid of DACA. fk all illegals, that ain't hate, that's AMERICAN PRIDE.

i've already said the "extreme" natures on both sides are really making life difficult for the rest of us in the middle. this entire discussion is exhibit a i suppose.

you and i disagree, and in just a few short posts, over a year of posting history is forgotten cause you and i don't agree on a topic. i never called you out on it, never said you were not american or the like. all i said was hate is a common thread on both sides and it's killing the country.

you're simply not being reasonable nor listening to what i'm saying, now that you've slid me to the left. in fact i'm saying you have every right to feel the way you do and voice your concerns. even if that means you hate me along the way. that is in fact a right we all do share, correct?

if they come after guns, i'm there to fight against it. lock stock and barrel so to speak. i think 90% of the anti-gun crowd are just parrots who simply don't understand guns, so instead of learning where they're wrong, they want 'em all gone. i think that's ass-nugget stupid.

but you're on an emotional rant right now worthy of being... "liberal". so have fun. i support your right to do so.

well dude, you are to the left of me. you think diplomacy works..

i quit reading here. you're in an emotional attack mode and not about to listen to reason from someone you're "mad" at.

you just said no one on the right will ever try diplomacy. after that nothing intelligent can follow so i'm out for now.

with a leftist, that is correct. Again, I explained in a previous post, they don't negotiate. So it's something that isn't even on the table. You're watching it play out with the phrase from the left, you have to open the government to negotiate. well duh, if you open the government why would they then negotiate? for someone like you to believe that tactic speaks loudly.

I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. Whimpy said it best.

When can we expect the check from Mexico? Next Tuesday?

the mere fact you ask such a stupid question is check mate to your stupidity. you truly are a leftist hack.

 

[edward37]

sure sign of an idiot is someone that keeps arguing with an idiot.

have a nice day.

Just hoping someone who voted for the blob can be truthful. I know it’s too much to hope for.

just hoping people will stop having to insult each other at every opportunity as that is the leading cause of our continued hate.

i know it's too much to hope for.

The cause of the hate is the fact that the left is trying to destroy the country. On top of that their leftwing professors have brainwashed them to hate everything that is normal and sensible.

the cause of the hate is pretending our neighbors are our enemies out to kill us.

No one is pretending they want to kill us. However we don't need them here, and we don't want them here. They take jobs from Americans and consume our social services. This country has enough people.

So tell your AH in the WH to stop giving out free shit to illegals THAT would solve most of the problems AND all the other living presidents told me that lol

 

[jc456]

Shutdown Day 17: White House, Dems disagree on definition of ‘negotiating’

seems to me that they couldn't negotiate so that's why it was shut down. why is reopening it going to change anything?

in any event, what i don't understand is back in 2006 hillary, obama and many on the left said yes, walls are needed. they just didn't want a LONG wall that stretched out in areas where it doesn't make sense. use drones and technology to also supplement this.

so why not go back to what they wanted in 2006 and say "we'll compromise and do this" - around 700-1000 miles of walls *and* technology THEN we follow up by working on DACA and why immigration got to be such a hassle next.

instead we've put ourselves in a collective position where we simply refuse anything but what we want, even if we don't want it but only NOW want it cause *THEY* DON'T want it. whatever it is.

our government's collective mental age is around 8.

Any agreement that doesn't have DACA instituted FIRST is a fool's errand. Trump simply can not be trusted

nope, border wall first. the left already renegged once under Reagan. fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. And it ain't happening that way ever again. you really are an evil person aren't you. compulsive as well, your way or no way type.

 

[edward37]

well, again, I called out the left and as far as I'm concerned they hate america. I give two shits what you or anyone else thinks. Liberals use to be sane negotiators at one time in their existence and then the left took over. They aren't for working america, it's why clinton lost. she couldn't ever say the fking word middle class. they mock coal workers who are back at work, they mock those who believe in a border wall, they mock the tax cut, all things american. So excuse my sorry ass for not having some concern that they are not for what america is for. Not to mention taking away the 1st and 2nd amendments. but dude, hey go comfort their hateful american bashing asses, I give two shits. and go trump and build that mthr fking wall and then get rid of DACA. fk all illegals, that ain't hate, that's AMERICAN PRIDE.

i've already said the "extreme" natures on both sides are really making life difficult for the rest of us in the middle. this entire discussion is exhibit a i suppose.

you and i disagree, and in just a few short posts, over a year of posting history is forgotten cause you and i don't agree on a topic. i never called you out on it, never said you were not american or the like. all i said was hate is a common thread on both sides and it's killing the country.

you're simply not being reasonable nor listening to what i'm saying, now that you've slid me to the left. in fact i'm saying you have every right to feel the way you do and voice your concerns. even if that means you hate me along the way. that is in fact a right we all do share, correct?

if they come after guns, i'm there to fight against it. lock stock and barrel so to speak. i think 90% of the anti-gun crowd are just parrots who simply don't understand guns, so instead of learning where they're wrong, they want 'em all gone. i think that's ass-nugget stupid.

but you're on an emotional rant right now worthy of being... "liberal". so have fun. i support your right to do so.

well dude, you are to the left of me. you think diplomacy works..

i quit reading here. you're in an emotional attack mode and not about to listen to reason from someone you're "mad" at.

you just said no one on the right will ever try diplomacy. after that nothing intelligent can follow so i'm out for now.

with a leftist, that is correct. Again, I explained in a previous post, they don't negotiate. So it's something that isn't even on the table. You're watching it play out with the phrase from the left, you have to open the government to negotiate. well duh, if you open the government why would they then negotiate? for someone like you to believe that tactic speaks loudly.

I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. Whimpy said it best.

When can we expect the check from Mexico? Next Tuesday?

When trump shows his taxes

 

[jc456]

Just hoping someone who voted for the blob can be truthful. I know it’s too much to hope for.

just hoping people will stop having to insult each other at every opportunity as that is the leading cause of our continued hate.

i know it's too much to hope for.

The cause of the hate is the fact that the left is trying to destroy the country. On top of that their leftwing professors have brainwashed them to hate everything that is normal and sensible.

the cause of the hate is pretending our neighbors are our enemies out to kill us.

No one is pretending they want to kill us. However we don't need them here, and we don't want them here. They take jobs from Americans and consume our social services. This country has enough people.

So tell your AH in the WH to stop giving out free shit to illegals THAT would solve most of the problems AND all the other living presidents told me that lol

 

[jc456]

i've already said the "extreme" natures on both sides are really making life difficult for the rest of us in the middle. this entire discussion is exhibit a i suppose.

you and i disagree, and in just a few short posts, over a year of posting history is forgotten cause you and i don't agree on a topic. i never called you out on it, never said you were not american or the like. all i said was hate is a common thread on both sides and it's killing the country.

you're simply not being reasonable nor listening to what i'm saying, now that you've slid me to the left. in fact i'm saying you have every right to feel the way you do and voice your concerns. even if that means you hate me along the way. that is in fact a right we all do share, correct?

if they come after guns, i'm there to fight against it. lock stock and barrel so to speak. i think 90% of the anti-gun crowd are just parrots who simply don't understand guns, so instead of learning where they're wrong, they want 'em all gone. i think that's ass-nugget stupid.

but you're on an emotional rant right now worthy of being... "liberal". so have fun. i support your right to do so.

well dude, you are to the left of me. you think diplomacy works..

i quit reading here. you're in an emotional attack mode and not about to listen to reason from someone you're "mad" at.

you just said no one on the right will ever try diplomacy. after that nothing intelligent can follow so i'm out for now.

with a leftist, that is correct. Again, I explained in a previous post, they don't negotiate. So it's something that isn't even on the table. You're watching it play out with the phrase from the left, you have to open the government to negotiate. well duh, if you open the government why would they then negotiate? for someone like you to believe that tactic speaks loudly.

I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. Whimpy said it best.

When can we expect the check from Mexico? Next Tuesday?

When trump shows his taxes

for what reason? why do you think you should see them? still don't get that. I don't care about any other persons taxes, hitlery's or yours. and yet you are obsessed with trump's silly.

 

[bripat9643]

you now say i'm left leaning.
i'm perfectly willing to negotiate.

in one post you just blew up your entire premise but i'll bet somehow this is now *my* fault.

not sure why you feel the need to attack because suddenly i'm not behind you going YEAH!!!!! for the record, i've said people who are quick to label the GOP "nazi" "racist" and the like are fucking retarded and stupid and void of any rational thought. but yea, i must be on their side cause we disagree on this point, huh?

is that what you require out of people, to agree with you on *everything*?

and in case you've missed it, i call out the left quite a bit for the very same behavior and yes - i think they're horrible at it. HOWEVER, i don't see returning hate with hate as a solution. it's not practical nor realistic to think that everyone is always going to agree. it's what we do when we disagree that defines us, to me, and so far as soon as we disagree i become the enemy.

thank you for illustrating so eloquently what i view to be the very core of our problems as a country today.

btw - i don't view us as "enemies". i'm just not going to push things to that extreme despite that being the rage for both sides to do.

dude, I am no cheerleader for anyone, nor do I look for support. I'm fine on my own. It is nice to see fellow americans however who think the same. Then I know the country ain't all fked up.

I'm happy to call out anyone, even someone who's agreed with me in the past such as yourself, so the premise you started to attack fell short cause you make my point right now.

I say you're leaning left cause your arguments are in line with theirs at this moment. I thought you were for america, but it seems that really you aren't, that moves you left. sorry about that, that's just a fact in today's argument. We have borders, we are a sovereign nation and have laws. we aren't third world, we hold people accountable.

Not sure what hate you think I'm spewing. That's the part I'm uncertain of. You keep saying spewing hate to hate. what do you think hate is? Maybe it's your definition. To me it is someone who thinks another doesn't have a right to exist. I'm aware of only one party that wishes such.

first - i never said you. i said hate is an american culture problem.

you're the one needing to push me to "the left" because you and i don't agree. you're the one who says the left is all evil and cannot be compromised with. am i wrong on any of that so far?

your premise is now that everyone on "the left" is ANTI-AMERICAN.

i'm for strict border security. i'm for ending birth right citizenship. i'm for making people go through our processes to come into this country and if they are too difficult, then stay the fuck out.

but i'm NOT for stereotyping people who disagree with me into a "hate group" and claiming that because you don't agree with me, you hate america.

*that* is our fundamental issue these days. we simply can't disagree anymore w/o it becoming a huge issue that must be pushed to the extreme every single fucking time.

so we disagree. i fail to see how that makes either of us evil or america-haters.

well, again, I called out the left and as far as I'm concerned they hate america. I give two shits what you or anyone else thinks. Liberals use to be sane negotiators at one time in their existence and then the left took over. They aren't for working america, it's why clinton lost. she couldn't ever say the fking word middle class. they mock coal workers who are back at work, they mock those who believe in a border wall, they mock the tax cut, all things american. So excuse my sorry ass for not having some concern that they are not for what america is for. Not to mention taking away the 1st and 2nd amendments. but dude, hey go comfort their hateful american bashing asses, I give two shits. and go trump and build that mthr fking wall and then get rid of DACA. fk all illegals, that ain't hate, that's AMERICAN PRIDE.

i've already said the "extreme" natures on both sides are really making life difficult for the rest of us in the middle. this entire discussion is exhibit a i suppose.

you and i disagree, and in just a few short posts, over a year of posting history is forgotten cause you and i don't agree on a topic. i never called you out on it, never said you were not american or the like. all i said was hate is a common thread on both sides and it's killing the country.

you're simply not being reasonable nor listening to what i'm saying, now that you've slid me to the left. in fact i'm saying you have every right to feel the way you do and voice your concerns. even if that means you hate me along the way. that is in fact a right we all do share, correct?

if they come after guns, i'm there to fight against it. lock stock and barrel so to speak. i think 90% of the anti-gun crowd are just parrots who simply don't understand guns, so instead of learning where they're wrong, they want 'em all gone. i think that's ass-nugget stupid.

but you're on an emotional rant right now worthy of being... "liberal". so have fun. i support your right to do so.

well dude, you are to the left of me. you think diplomacy works.

You think if I tell everyone to settle down and make peace makes some difference.

It's true I am utterly American. I have no use for the histrionics and hyperbole used by Progs. Compulsion is not compassion, it is a weapon people like you use to force everyone to do the things YOU think we should do.

the highligted part is what you're trying to do. I talk in fact, not innuendo, I expect something for something. Hard work isn't paid for by someone snatching money out of the hard workers hand. that's Progressiveness to the T.

Give lazy billy a grand from the loser hard worker. When in your world did that all the sudden become #1 to you?

Bringing in illegals or giving out welfare, hyperbole is hyperbole. Again, you use to believe hard work mattered. now you're mocking it. that's left of me. sorry, that is reality. I'm saddened that another american moved left. But all that means is you're just another prog ass that I give two shits about.

You keep comparing the GOP to Dems, and that is so far from the truth and that is just a compulsion of yours. It's what gets you to sleep. I don't need anything to get me to sleep. I stand for Military families, tax cuts, the Blacks that don't know any better, the poor that I'd hoped would battle out of poverty into freedom of work. I believe in school choice for that very reason. The left abandon these people by constantly voting against it. I spit at them. I call them out. I hate that they hate so many americans. Yes I do. I will challenge them if they get my fking face. And any fking person that is for an illegal over a citizen is dead in my world. I stand for America and our values. fk the left.

If you don't believe in all that America I stand for, then yes, you are of no value to me. And yes, the past is the past.

I can't believe these idiots who think the problem can be solved by saying "let's just all get along." We are at war with the vermin who are trying to destroy America. When they talk about "compromise," they always mean the right compromises and the left gets more of what they want. I'm done with that. We're done compromising.

 

[jc456]

Wrong. The wall will be funded first. DACA is going nowhere until our border is secure.

That attitude is why DACA needs to be enacted FIRST

so you think if DACA goes first the wall money comes next? naw, you don't you know how evil the dems are. just look back at reagan and the renegged there. fool me once shame on you, twice it's on me. ain't happening loser.

 

[bodecea]

Shutdown Day 17: White House, Dems disagree on definition of ‘negotiating’

seems to me that they couldn't negotiate so that's why it was shut down. why is reopening it going to change anything?

in any event, what i don't understand is back in 2006 hillary, obama and many on the left said yes, walls are needed. they just didn't want a LONG wall that stretched out in areas where it doesn't make sense. use drones and technology to also supplement this.

so why not go back to what they wanted in 2006 and say "we'll compromise and do this" - around 700-1000 miles of walls *and* technology THEN we follow up by working on DACA and why immigration got to be such a hassle next.

instead we've put ourselves in a collective position where we simply refuse anything but what we want, even if we don't want it but only NOW want it cause *THEY* DON'T want it. whatever it is.

our government's collective mental age is around 8.

One problem is Trump has never laid down a concise plan of what he wants border security to be and why

Specify which sections require solid wall, where fencing is needed and where electronic surveillance is preferred. Then provide costs

Instead, we get one size fits all......wall, wall, wall

Concise plans cost money, which Congress hasn't approved yet. Once again, the anti-wall douchebags are making demands that are impossible to comply with.

Oh really? You put out the money before you get the plans, do you?

 

[bripat9643]

Just hoping someone who voted for the blob can be truthful. I know it’s too much to hope for.

just hoping people will stop having to insult each other at every opportunity as that is the leading cause of our continued hate.

i know it's too much to hope for.

The cause of the hate is the fact that the left is trying to destroy the country. On top of that their leftwing professors have brainwashed them to hate everything that is normal and sensible.

the cause of the hate is pretending our neighbors are our enemies out to kill us.

No one is pretending they want to kill us. However we don't need them here, and we don't want them here. They take jobs from Americans and consume our social services. This country has enough people.

So tell your AH in the WH to stop giving out free shit to illegals THAT would solve most of the problems AND all the other living presidents told me that lol

He doesn't give out the free shit, moron. The Dim scumbags are the ones who give out all the free shit. ACA is just one example.

 

[jc456]

dude, I am no cheerleader for anyone, nor do I look for support. I'm fine on my own. It is nice to see fellow americans however who think the same. Then I know the country ain't all fked up.

I'm happy to call out anyone, even someone who's agreed with me in the past such as yourself, so the premise you started to attack fell short cause you make my point right now.

I say you're leaning left cause your arguments are in line with theirs at this moment. I thought you were for america, but it seems that really you aren't, that moves you left. sorry about that, that's just a fact in today's argument. We have borders, we are a sovereign nation and have laws. we aren't third world, we hold people accountable.

Not sure what hate you think I'm spewing. That's the part I'm uncertain of. You keep saying spewing hate to hate. what do you think hate is? Maybe it's your definition. To me it is someone who thinks another doesn't have a right to exist. I'm aware of only one party that wishes such.

first - i never said you. i said hate is an american culture problem.

you're the one needing to push me to "the left" because you and i don't agree. you're the one who says the left is all evil and cannot be compromised with. am i wrong on any of that so far?

your premise is now that everyone on "the left" is ANTI-AMERICAN.

i'm for strict border security. i'm for ending birth right citizenship. i'm for making people go through our processes to come into this country and if they are too difficult, then stay the fuck out.

but i'm NOT for stereotyping people who disagree with me into a "hate group" and claiming that because you don't agree with me, you hate america.

*that* is our fundamental issue these days. we simply can't disagree anymore w/o it becoming a huge issue that must be pushed to the extreme every single fucking time.

so we disagree. i fail to see how that makes either of us evil or america-haters.

well, again, I called out the left and as far as I'm concerned they hate america. I give two shits what you or anyone else thinks. Liberals use to be sane negotiators at one time in their existence and then the left took over. They aren't for working america, it's why clinton lost. she couldn't ever say the fking word middle class. they mock coal workers who are back at work, they mock those who believe in a border wall, they mock the tax cut, all things american. So excuse my sorry ass for not having some concern that they are not for what america is for. Not to mention taking away the 1st and 2nd amendments. but dude, hey go comfort their hateful american bashing asses, I give two shits. and go trump and build that mthr fking wall and then get rid of DACA. fk all illegals, that ain't hate, that's AMERICAN PRIDE.

i've already said the "extreme" natures on both sides are really making life difficult for the rest of us in the middle. this entire discussion is exhibit a i suppose.

you and i disagree, and in just a few short posts, over a year of posting history is forgotten cause you and i don't agree on a topic. i never called you out on it, never said you were not american or the like. all i said was hate is a common thread on both sides and it's killing the country.

you're simply not being reasonable nor listening to what i'm saying, now that you've slid me to the left. in fact i'm saying you have every right to feel the way you do and voice your concerns. even if that means you hate me along the way. that is in fact a right we all do share, correct?

if they come after guns, i'm there to fight against it. lock stock and barrel so to speak. i think 90% of the anti-gun crowd are just parrots who simply don't understand guns, so instead of learning where they're wrong, they want 'em all gone. i think that's ass-nugget stupid.

but you're on an emotional rant right now worthy of being... "liberal". so have fun. i support your right to do so.

well dude, you are to the left of me. you think diplomacy works.

You think if I tell everyone to settle down and make peace makes some difference.

It's true I am utterly American. I have no use for the histrionics and hyperbole used by Progs. Compulsion is not compassion, it is a weapon people like you use to force everyone to do the things YOU think we should do.

the highligted part is what you're trying to do. I talk in fact, not innuendo, I expect something for something. Hard work isn't paid for by someone snatching money out of the hard workers hand. that's Progressiveness to the T.

Give lazy billy a grand from the loser hard worker. When in your world did that all the sudden become #1 to you?

Bringing in illegals or giving out welfare, hyperbole is hyperbole. Again, you use to believe hard work mattered. now you're mocking it. that's left of me. sorry, that is reality. I'm saddened that another american moved left. But all that means is you're just another prog ass that I give two shits about.

You keep comparing the GOP to Dems, and that is so far from the truth and that is just a compulsion of yours. It's what gets you to sleep. I don't need anything to get me to sleep. I stand for Military families, tax cuts, the Blacks that don't know any better, the poor that I'd hoped would battle out of poverty into freedom of work. I believe in school choice for that very reason. The left abandon these people by constantly voting against it. I spit at them. I call them out. I hate that they hate so many americans. Yes I do. I will challenge them if they get my fking face. And any fking person that is for an illegal over a citizen is dead in my world. I stand for America and our values. fk the left.

If you don't believe in all that America I stand for, then yes, you are of no value to me. And yes, the past is the past.

I can't believe these idiots who think the problem can be solved by saying "let's just all get along." We are at war with the vermin who are trying to destroy America. When they talk about "compromise," they always mean the right compromises and the left gets more of what they want. I'm done with that. We're done compromising.

Lesh is fking hilarious. she thinks we are truly stupid people. That's what makes her a loser.

 

[bripat9643]

Wrong. The wall will be funded first. DACA is going nowhere until our border is secure.

That attitude is why DACA needs to be enacted FIRST

so you think if DACA goes first the wall money comes next? naw, you don't you know how evil the dems are. just look back at reagan and the renegged there. fool me once shame on you, twice it's on me. ain't happening loser.

He does know how evil the Dims are. He's one of them. He's saying "kick the ball, Charlie Brown."