No You Do Not Have An Absolute Right To Have Certain Types Of Or The Carrying Of Firearms

[JakeStarkey]

“We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. ‘Miller’ said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those ‘in common use at the time.’ 307 U.S., at 179, 59 S.Ct. 816. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’”

Justice Scalia also wrote:

“It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service — M-16 rifles and the like — may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right.”

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjZ4oTAvcDUAhUBzIMKHVVBAzoQFgg9MAQ&url=https://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/11/justice-scalias-gun-control-argument/&usg=AFQjCNGSFaggs-G15kcyTS8oO4Bcio9tiQ&sig2=_z6ec0jGImhSGUdZGmsLUw

An ar15 is a sporting rifle nothing more. Only fucking little snowflakes are scared of such a inadequate weapon for military muster...

Sources told ABC News that the primary weapon used in shooting was an SKS 7.62 assault-style rifle. Authorities also recovered a Smith and Wesson 9 mm pistol, though it was not clear if it was used in the attack.
I don't know what an SKS 7.62 assault-style rifle is, but it was purchased legally.
Gun used in Scalise shooting was legally purchased assault rifle, sources say

Of the 34 thousand people who die by firearms each year, very very few die from an assault weapon.

In mass shootings.....as of my last look at the Mother Jones total....167 people murdered with rifles with magazines.....in 34 years...

Knives are used to murder people over 1,500 times a year......so knives are far more dangerous than these rifles...particularly if you consider there are over 8 million of them in private hands...making them common....and useful...

Fallacy of selective equivalency. Fire arms murder more than 11000 people a year. By your nutty fallacy, all guns should be registered or confiscated.

 

[OKTexas]

I carry much of the time but not when visiting schools or government installations. I do carry a weapon to church. Pastor does, too.

? That's kind of sad.

Why would it be sad.......

Was it sad that the members of Congress didn't have guns yesterday? And the only thing that saved them was the Whip was able to attend practice? Do you realize that the Whip rarely makes those early morning practices, and that it was a miracle that he was there...with his armed security?

Do you know what the difference between a Capitol policeman and the average citizen is?

The policeman has had a lot of training with firearms.

No....the Capitol policemen may have never used their guns before and may only have to qualify once a year...if that. And as I keep telling you....Americans use their guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop attacks like this, and your average criminal attack....and they are not cops or Delta Force......and they manage just fine.....using a gun does not take a lot of training.....so don't try to use that as an excuse to take away a Right....

“Defensive uses of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed. Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”

It was also discovered that when guns are used in self-defense the victims consistently have lower injury rates than those who are unarmed, even compared with those who used other forms of self-defense.


CDC Releases Study on Gun Violence: Defensive gun use common, mass shootings not


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[JakeStarkey]

Americans use their guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop attacks like this

Yesterday, someone said 2.5 million times. Both figures are bullshit.

Those are LEO figures not private weapons involvement.

 

[2aguy]

Top 20 states for firearm death rates:

20. Utah (12.6/100,000)
19. Georgia (12.6)
18. Indiana (13)
17. Kentucky (13.7)
16. Nevada (13.8)
15. Idaho (14.1)
14. Arizona (14.1)
13. West Virginia (14.3)
12. Missouri (14.4)
11. South Carolina (15.2)
10. Tennessee (15.4)
9. New Mexico (15.5)
8. Oklahoma (16.5)
7. Montana (16.7)
6. Wyoming (16.7)
5. Arkansas (16.8)
4. Alabama (17.6)
3. Mississippi (17.8)
2. Louisiana (19.3)

And the number 1 worst state for firearm deaths is...





No, it isn't pinko fag liberal gun control California (7.7)...







No, it isn't gun control Jew York (4.2!)....





It's...
















Alaska! (23.4).

Yes....because of suicides........that little fact never makes your quotes....

 

[2aguy]

In Texas we have open carry now and things are just fine. No wild west shootouts are happening like the libtards and dummiecrats said would happen.

Yeah, you only have 700 firearm homicides each year in Texas, compared to 377 in Illinois (including Chicago).

All by Muslims, of course.

Texlims aint ya heard

More lib character assassination.

A crazy liberal committed attempted murder yesterday, stirred up by you people. YOU PEOPLE are doing this.

Sorry, it's a fact Texas has way more, nearly double, gun homicides than Illinois.

You want to take a single incident and write it large, eh? How come you don't want to do that when an "assault rifle" is used?

Or how about when a right wing loony kills 9 people in a church?


Because you suffer from an idiot's confirmation bias, that's why.

Or the muslim terrorist who kills 49 in a night club....or the muslim terrorist who killed 13 at Fort Hood.....

 

[2aguy]

Top 20 states for firearm death rates:

20. Utah (12.6/100,000)
19. Georgia (12.6)
18. Indiana (13)
17. Kentucky (13.7)
16. Nevada (13.8)
15. Idaho (14.1)
14. Arizona (14.1)
13. West Virginia (14.3)
12. Missouri (14.4)
11. South Carolina (15.2)
10. Tennessee (15.4)
9. New Mexico (15.5)
8. Oklahoma (16.5)
7. Montana (16.7)
6. Wyoming (16.7)
5. Arkansas (16.8)
4. Alabama (17.6)
3. Mississippi (17.8)
2. Louisiana (19.3)

And the number 1 worst state for firearm deaths is...





No, it isn't pinko fag liberal gun control California (7.7)...







No, it isn't gun control Jew York (4.2!)....





It's...
















Alaska! (23.4).

dont tell Palin she needs to look through the aim point and find the target ... trying to hit shit lookin through the lens cover lowers your kill average.

She's not asswipe.....you caught her in the middle of her action...she knows how to shoot....

 

[2aguy]

In Texas we have open carry now and things are just fine. No wild west shootouts are happening like the libtards and dummiecrats said would happen.

Yeah, you only have 700 firearm homicides each year in Texas, compared to 377 in Illinois (including Chicago).

All by Muslims, of course.

Texas is on the border with Mexico.....and they bring drugs and illegal aliens across the border...as well as all the crime that goes with those crimes....

 

[miketx]

They'll never take our guns unless we give them up. Let them try.

 

[2aguy]

Stats of the States - Firearm Mortality

And of course they don't break it down...since suicide is the biggest number.....

 

[OKTexas]

Sarah Palin's PAC Puts Gun Sights On Democrats She's Targeting In 2010

Sarah Palin Criticized Over Gabrielle Giffords Presence on "Target List"

Funny I didn't see one persons picture on that map, she targeted districts, not people. More regressive lies.


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When was Scalise specifically targeted, exactly?

He wasn't, and the gunman didn't need no stinking map.


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[Little-Acorn]

No You Do Not Have An Absolute Right To Have Certain Types Of Or The Carrying Of Firearms


Where does the Constitution say that?

Oh, I remember. The Constitution says that since an armed and capable population is necessary for security and freedom, the right of ordinary people to own and carry guns and other such weapons cannot be taken away or restricted. (Exact translation to modern English)

It's striking that when liberals try to pretend they have the right to restrict normal people's guns, they never quote the Constitution to back it up. Or on the rare occasions they try, they get slapped down by the facts in a hurry.

They quote the Courts instead. They have forgotten that the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land, and NO ONE may contradict it and make their edicts stick. Including the Courts.

Sorry, waiting periods are a restriction, and therefore unconstitutional.

Banning concealed carry anywhere is a restriction, ditto.

Banning carrying a gun outside your home is a restriction, ditto. No matter how many judges try to say otherwise, or what political pressure they were put under ("If you don't include the following language in your Opinion, I'll vote against it and you'll lose the case 4-5").

Background checks are a restriction, like it or not. You can try to change the 2nd amendment if you want, then they won't be unconstitutional. If you get 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the states to agree with you, you can do it. Let me know how that works out for you.

All these things were OKed by various judges. And every one of them violates the Constitution.

All the so-called "Gun Control" laws, were enacted by violating the Constitution.

And, not coincidentally, nearly every situation where a bad guy shoots a bunch of innocent people, is in response to "the authorities" disarming the innocent with unconstitutional laws, while the criminals ignore them.

 

[2aguy]

“We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. ‘Miller’ said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those ‘in common use at the time.’ 307 U.S., at 179, 59 S.Ct. 816. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’”

Justice Scalia also wrote:

“It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service — M-16 rifles and the like — may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right.”

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjZ4oTAvcDUAhUBzIMKHVVBAzoQFgg9MAQ&url=https://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/11/justice-scalias-gun-control-argument/&usg=AFQjCNGSFaggs-G15kcyTS8oO4Bcio9tiQ&sig2=_z6ec0jGImhSGUdZGmsLUw

All I want is to keep a 6 shot revolver in my own apartment. NYC says to do that I have to pay $600 or so in fees, and wait up to 6 months to get a license to do so.

Why should I give a rats ass about "any weapon I want" when gun grabbing fucks like you in government enforce the above?

I'm not in the government. I also am a gun owner. You should be able to keep a gun in your home for protection.

The point if the thread is the Supreme Court ruled in Heller v DC that while you have a right to own a gun in your home for protection, or for hunting and sport shooting, the states and localities can make laws prohibiting the concealed and open carry of firearms in certain instances, and in certain places, and prohibit the types of firearms that may be sold or possessed in those localities.

With the written opinion on the court by none other than Antonin Scalia.

This is no longer a debate to be had. The decision has been made, and that is the final decision on the matter. If anyone violates the laws set in those states and localities concerning firearms, there is no further appeal if you are convicted of an offense.

For any gun owners that are still confused about their second amendment rights, I suggest they read the Heller v DC decision, before they find themselves not being able to own a gun because of a conviction.

You cherry picked the quote you doofus...........I have posted Heller.....the AR-15 is the most common rifle in the country.......and that is a class specifically mentioned in Heller, arms that are in common use.....

 

[2aguy]

In Texas we have open carry now and things are just fine. No wild west shootouts are happening like the libtards and dummiecrats said would happen.

Yeah, you only have 700 firearm homicides each year in Texas, compared to 377 in Illinois (including Chicago).

All by Muslims, of course.

More than 750 people have been murdered in Chicago in 2016, the police said, a 58 percent increase over last year and the highest total since 1997. There have been more than 3,500 shootings in the city this year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/us/chicago-murder-rate-gun-deaths.html?_r=0


You were saying?

they have the same gun control laws as New York.....

 

[2aguy]

“We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. ‘Miller’ said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those ‘in common use at the time.’ 307 U.S., at 179, 59 S.Ct. 816. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’”

Justice Scalia also wrote:

“It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service — M-16 rifles and the like — may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right.”

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjZ4oTAvcDUAhUBzIMKHVVBAzoQFgg9MAQ&url=https://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/11/justice-scalias-gun-control-argument/&usg=AFQjCNGSFaggs-G15kcyTS8oO4Bcio9tiQ&sig2=_z6ec0jGImhSGUdZGmsLUw

An AR15 is not an unusual weapon

it is a basic run of the mill small caliber semiautomatic not unlike any other small caliber semiautomatic that has been around since the late 1800's yet they are banned in my state

It is the most "Common" rifle in use right now......according to Heller it is safe...

 

[there4eyeM]

I carry much of the time but not when visiting schools or government installations. I do carry a weapon to church. Pastor does, too.

? That's kind of sad.

Sad? Ridiculous is the word.

 

[2aguy]

“We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. ‘Miller’ said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those ‘in common use at the time.’ 307 U.S., at 179, 59 S.Ct. 816. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’”

Justice Scalia also wrote:

“It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service — M-16 rifles and the like — may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right.”

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjZ4oTAvcDUAhUBzIMKHVVBAzoQFgg9MAQ&url=https://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/11/justice-scalias-gun-control-argument/&usg=AFQjCNGSFaggs-G15kcyTS8oO4Bcio9tiQ&sig2=_z6ec0jGImhSGUdZGmsLUw

An ar15 is a sporting rifle nothing more. Only fucking little snowflakes are scared of such a inadequate weapon for military muster...

Sources told ABC News that the primary weapon used in shooting was an SKS 7.62 assault-style rifle. Authorities also recovered a Smith and Wesson 9 mm pistol, though it was not clear if it was used in the attack.
I don't know what an SKS 7.62 assault-style rifle is, but it was purchased legally.
Gun used in Scalise shooting was legally purchased assault rifle, sources say

Of the 34 thousand people who die by firearms each year, very very few die from an assault weapon.

In mass shootings.....as of my last look at the Mother Jones total....167 people murdered with rifles with magazines.....in 34 years...

Knives are used to murder people over 1,500 times a year......so knives are far more dangerous than these rifles...particularly if you consider there are over 8 million of them in private hands...making them common....and useful...

Fallacy of selective equivalency. Fire arms murder more than 11000 people a year. By your nutty fallacy, all guns should be registered or confiscated.

Not according to the FBI homicide Table 8....9,616 in 2015.......

 

[whitehall]

The assassin that tried to take out republican legislators violated about a dozen laws. Who do we see about that?

 

[danielpalos]

Sarah Palin's PAC Puts Gun Sights On Democrats She's Targeting In 2010

Sarah Palin Criticized Over Gabrielle Giffords Presence on "Target List"

Funny I didn't see one persons picture on that map, she targeted districts, not people. More regressive lies.


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When was Scalise specifically targeted, exactly?

He wasn't, and the gunman didn't need no stinking map.


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The monoculturalism of National Thong Day, could have distracted that "hapless male", until more appropriate measures could be taken.

 

[miketx]

If liberals only knew what bathroom to use, none of this would have happened. We could all carry guns anywhere.

 

[OKTexas]

Sarah Palin's PAC Puts Gun Sights On Democrats She's Targeting In 2010

Sarah Palin Criticized Over Gabrielle Giffords Presence on "Target List"

Funny I didn't see one persons picture on that map, she targeted districts, not people. More regressive lies.


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When was Scalise specifically targeted, exactly?

He wasn't, and the gunman didn't need no stinking map.


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The monoculturalism of National Thong Day, could have distracted that "hapless male", until more appropriate measures could be taken.

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