Noah's Ark with two of EVERY animal

[ESay]

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The golden thing more resembles a fish rather than a bird. Something like this.

 

[hobelim]

Still nonsense. That "flood" would have taken several lifetimes. You wouldn't even notice the water rising.

The Burckle crater under 11,000 feet of water on the bottom of the Indian ocean, dated around 3000 bce, is about 25 times the size of meteor crater in AZ and would have instantly vaporized billions of metric tons of water into the atmosphere causing a worldwide deluge of relentless downpours, megastorms, tornados, etc., that would have lasted for weeks inundating rivers, streams, desert dry washes etc., on every continent washing away all nearby settlements not to mention the 600 feet tsunamis that would have immediately swept away all coastal civilizations.

Whats so surprising that intelligent people would have used a natural event to teach moral lessons to their children or that other people would have started to sacrifice virgins to appease whatever force or God there was up in the sky somewhere that must have seemed pissed off (wrathful) to them about something and had the mind boggling power to destroy civilization?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Flood geology" theory is flawed?

He is talking about the one the creationists made up.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How much ice expands/melts in 80 years
under conditions of global average at 4 degrees?

I can't make heads or tails of that sentence.

80 years? Better check that.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The Burckle crater under 11,000 feet of water on the bottom of the Indian ocean, dated around 3000 bce, is about 25 times the size of meteor crater in AZ and would have instantly vaporized billions of metric tons of water into the atmosphere causing a worldwide deluge of relentless downpours, megastorms, tornados, etc., that would have lasted for weeks inundating rivers, streams, desert dry washes etc., on every continent washing away all nearby settlements not to mention the 600 feet tsunamis that would have immediately swept away all coastal civilizations.

Whats so surprising that intelligent people would have used a natural event to teach moral lessons to their children or that other people would have started to sacrifice virgins to appease whatever force or God there was up in the sky somewhere that must have been very pissed off (wrathful) to them about something and had the mind boggling power to destroy civilization?

Possibly yes, and nobody would have known it was a global event, because they didn't even know there was a globe. I can see the Noah myth arising from older flood tales with a seed of truth. Floods do happen. I don't think that's an extraordinary claim.

 

[rylah]

He is talking about the one the creationists made up.

Scientists deal with contradicting theories,
the position of the creationists, is that science
as a process along human progress reveals creation.

 

[rylah]

I can't make heads or tails of that sentence.

80 years? Better check that.

Take a sheet of ice,
put in ice age conditions,
of global average temperature at 4c.
For a period of 80 years, roughly today's lifetime.

The claim was, that You wouldn't notice any changes...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Scientists deal with contradicting theories,
the position of the creationists, is that science
as a process along human progress reveals creation.

Which is fallacious and is just a backwards think. Classic intellectual fraud. Decide the conclusion first, then lie and misrepresent and omit in order to retrofit information to the prescribed belief.

Scientists deal with contradicting theories by examining the evidence. And sometimes theories are shown to be true by virtue of any alternative being absurd, due to the preponderance of the evidence.

No, you will not be upending the theory of evolution or the theory of radioactive deca. These are more than "proven" and are facts.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Take a sheet of ice,
put in ice age conditions,
of global average temperature at 4c.
For a period of 80 years, roughly today's lifetime.

The claim was, that You wouldn't notice any changes...

80 year is a number you just made up. I don't have to account for your fantasies.

 

[Indeependent]

If you're going to use miracles to accomplish what you want, why didn't God just kill everyone he didn't like and skip the whole flood mess? I assume the animals were just collateral damage.

Read the verses leading up to God's decision.
The entire human race became extremely selfish and the only way to survive to be extremely giving.
If Noach failed the test, God would have had to create everything all over again.
There are, in fact, opinions that there were many creations until Noach succeeded.

 

[Indeependent]

Arguing details of a myth is funny to me. In Sumer Noah was a king who hauled livestock, beer and grain downriver on barges to sell.

Just like our 10,000 media outlets report the same exact events in 10,000 ways.

 

[Indeependent]

The flood was just the most recent ruin/restoration event on earth. The geologic record is replete with such events. Old species are wiped out, new species appear. Some mysteriously cross over. The animals on the ark were specifically chosen by God and were somehow special. The rest were created anew as part of the restoration phase.

Very possible.

 

[rylah]

Which is fallacious and is just a backwards think. Classic intellectual fraud. Decide the conclusion first, then lie and misrepresent and omit in order to retrofit information to the prescribed belief.

Scientists deal with contradicting theories by examining the evidence. And sometimes theories are shown to be true by virtue of any alternative being absurd, due to the preponderance of the evidence.

No, you will not be upending the theory of evolution or the theory of radioactive deca. These are more than proven and are facts.

That fallacy is used religiously,
by fundamentalists of both camps.
However both are closely interlinked,
in the process of research and progress.

 

[Indeependent]

Creationists believe the ice age came after the global flood.

I never heard this.
Link?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That fallacy is used religiously,
by fundamentalists of both camps.

A complete and shameless lie you literally just made up because you liked the sound of it.

This is not at all what scientists do. To say so is a lie.

 

[rylah]

A complete and shameless lie you literally just made up because you liked the sound of it.

This is not at all what scientists do. To say so is a lie.

Is that why the scientific research of Hebrew heritage,
assumes that the texts are fundamentally a fallacy
to be contradicted? How do You think it expresses
in the results? Or for the scientific method in
research of human heritage?

There's a consensus,
and a taboo.

But no,
they're not
religious about it...

 

[rylah]

80 year is a number you just made up. I don't have to account for your fantasies.

80 years is roughly today's average life span.
The claim was that it takes several lifespans to notice.

Now, why would you get offended by your own argument?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Is that why the scientific research of Hebrew heritage,
assumes that the texts are fundamentally a fallacy
to be contradicted?

No, that is how the religious nutters "backwards think". The scientists go where the evidence takes them. And the evidence debunks the literal translation of the iron age creation myth.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

80 years is roughly today's average life span.
Why are you getting offended by your own arguments?

My argument was, "several lifetimes", as you may recall. And by several, I mean hundreds.

 

[rylah]

No, that is how the religious nutters "backwards think". The scientists go where the evidence takes them. And the evidence debunks the literal translation of the iron age creation myth.

Is that what you believe?
Both are human endeavors.
I don't see difference in the way
you choose to accept and reject either.

This resembles an agenda, the very fault to correct.