Now Khan says about Trump, "Shame on him, Shame on his family" (his family?)

[Divine Wind]

Your link has three other sailors that were there that did not see or hear any gunfire.

"John Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star," says Van Odell, a gunner on PCF-23, one of the boats that came to the rescue of the stricken boat. "I know. I was there."

Last month, Thurlow swore in an affidavit that Kerry was "not under fire" when he fished Lt. James Rassmann out of the water. He described Kerry's Bronze Star citation, which says that all units involved came under "small arms and automatic weapons fire," as "totally fabricated."

Two other Swift boat skippers who were direct participants in the March 13, 1969, mine explosion on the Bay Hap, Jack Chenoweth and Richard Pees, have said they do not remember coming under "enemy fire."

That's what they said decades later when swiftboating Kerry. Meanwhile, their citations at the time, including Thurlow's (even though he tried to hide it), stated they were under fire.

Thurlow swore in an affadavit that he was not under fire, and tow other Swift boat skippers said the same thing. The CO that wrote up the awards would not comment on where he got his info from. I suspect traitor Kerry filled him in on the alleged under fire tale.

And Thurlow lied to a swear on his affadavit. It was later revealed that he too was awarded a Bronze Star with combat 'V' for heroism under enemy fire during that same rescue.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/veterans_citation.pdf

Even the Naval Officer that gave Kerry the medal questioned Kerry's actions in Vietnam. He should have listened to the other boat skippers instead of taking Kerry's word for it.

Thurlow said last night after being read the full text of his Bronze Star citation. "My personal feeling was always that I got the award for coming to the rescue of the boat that was mined. This casts doubt on anybody's awards. It is sickening and disgusting."

Thurlow said he would consider his award "fraudulent" if coming under enemy fire was the basis for it. "I am here to state that we weren't under fire," he said. He speculated that Kerry could have been the source of at least some of the language used in the citation.

The Bronze Star recommendations for both Kerry and Thurlow were signed by Lt. Cmdr. George M. Elliott, who received reports on the incident from his base in the Gulf of Thailand. Elliott is a supporter of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and has questioned Kerry's actions in Vietnam. But he has refused repeated requests for an interview after issuing conflicting statements to the Boston Globe about whether Kerry deserved a Silver Star.

Repeating Thurlow's lie doesn't make it magically true.
Kerry didn't write the citation and there's no evidence Kerry had anything to do with it. Many others there also said they were under fire, including Rassman, who said he dove under water and held his breath as long as possible to avoid enemy fire. A lifelong Republican, he still thanks Kerry for risking his own life to save him.

Regardless of all the bullshit and mudslinging, the fact remains that Kerry didn't give himself any medals. His CO is unlikely to have given anyone a medal just on their say so. He'd need to put together a package justifying the award. Usually something like, "XO, put together a package for Petty Officer Schmuckatelli."

This article points out a few salient facts about medal awards, the disparity between both the services and ranks.

The military's unfair awards system.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I didn't say you mentioned it. I was just checking to see if you believed the swift boat vets.

After traitor Kerry testified the following to Congress,

"They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."

I would believe anyone other than that traitorous bastard.

Why is he a traitor? Was he charged? Most of the above happened at My Lai alone, let alone the other decade of that war.

They were prosecuted for the My Lai massacre and that was not what the traitor was talking about. Kerry is a traitor IMO because he was giving aid and comfort to the enemy by his testimony while we were still engaged in an armed conflict and soldiers were being killed every day.

Kerry is not a traitor and those who believe he is are gullible fools.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What has Trump sacrificied? Comrade Donald's words eat his guts daily.

What's the Hildebeast sacrificed ...beside 4 men at Benghazi,that is?

learn to spell her name, troll.

she didn't claim to have sacrificed. your white supremacist hero did.

benghaaaaaaaazzzzzzzziiiiiiiii!!!!

True, she sacrifice others. Then lied to cover it up.

so much ignorance from your posts.

you should probably complain to baby bush for destabilizing the middle east.

the only one hillary "sacrificed" was bin laden.

please go to school. pretty please. or at least read. because you clearly are uninformed.

All this time I thought the attack on the WTC and the Pentagon at bin Laden's direction was sufficient reason to attack the middle east. Some really stupid dipshits actually believe the middle east was stable before that happened.

You are a fool.

Attacking OBL and the al-quada, yes, should have been attacked where they were at the time.

Iraq should not have been attacked, and Bush and et al should be in the Hague.

 

[Grizz]

What's the Hildebeast sacrificed ...beside 4 men at Benghazi,that is?

learn to spell her name, troll.

she didn't claim to have sacrificed. your white supremacist hero did.

benghaaaaaaaazzzzzzzziiiiiiiii!!!!

True, she sacrifice others. Then lied to cover it up.

so much ignorance from your posts.

you should probably complain to baby bush for destabilizing the middle east.

the only one hillary "sacrificed" was bin laden.

please go to school. pretty please. or at least read. because you clearly are uninformed.

All this time I thought the attack on the WTC and the Pentagon at bin Laden's direction was sufficient reason to attack the middle east. Some really stupid dipshits actually believe the middle east was stable before that happened.

You are a fool.

Attacking OBL and the al-quada, yes, should have been attacked where they were at the time.

Iraq should not have been attacked, and Bush and et al should be in the Hague.

So should Barak the Magic Negro.

 

[Dr Grump]

He speculated
.

The only part in that whole post that matters...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Khan is correct that Trump is a shame to his family.

Comrade Donald is also a shame to the nation.

 

[Grizz]

learn to spell her name, troll.

she didn't claim to have sacrificed. your white supremacist hero did.

benghaaaaaaaazzzzzzzziiiiiiiii!!!!

True, she sacrifice others. Then lied to cover it up.

so much ignorance from your posts.

you should probably complain to baby bush for destabilizing the middle east.

the only one hillary "sacrificed" was bin laden.

please go to school. pretty please. or at least read. because you clearly are uninformed.

All this time I thought the attack on the WTC and the Pentagon at bin Laden's direction was sufficient reason to attack the middle east. Some really stupid dipshits actually believe the middle east was stable before that happened.

You are a fool.

Attacking OBL and the al-quada, yes, should have been attacked where they were at the time.

Iraq should not have been attacked, and Bush and et al should be in the Hague.

So should Barak the Magic Negro.

I know you voted for him....but he is worse than the Shrub.

 

[Vigilante]

Khan is correct that Trump is a shame to his family.

Comrade Donald is also a shame to the nation.

JakeAss never fails to make idiotic posts with absolutely nothing behind it, except his low 2 digit IQ, and his undying love for Dear Leader, and the Hildebeast!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Grizz and Vigilante, iow, manifest they know that Comrade Donald is going to take a shellacking this November. Losers like you two should always acknowledge when you are beaten. It is good that you do so now.

 

[Vigilante]

Grizz and Vigilante, iow, manifest they know that Comrade Donald is going to take a shellacking this November. Losers like you two should always acknowledge when you are beaten. It is good that you do so now.

The only thing you've ever beaten is your dick!

 

[JakeStarkey]

How does it feel know Comrade Donnie is headed to almost certain defeat, Vigilante?

 

[Vigilante]

How does it feel know Comrade Donnie is headed to almost certain defeat, Vigilante?

You've been WRONG about Kasick and everything else this election season, and you continue your LUCKY streak!

 

[Faun]

Riiiight....

Glad you agree.

Glad you think so.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Only you would know that, Grizz. That fact is that Vigilante and you see the final fall of Trump looming.

Check these numbers on Shameful Donald.

The polling gets worse for Comrade Donald, the . . .

 

[Neotrotsky]

How does it feel know Comrade Donnie is headed to almost certain defeat, Vigilante?

You've been WRONG about Kasick and everything else this election season, and you continue your LUCKY streak!

A day is a life in politics and anyone that tells you that they can predict the election
3 months out is being disingenuous

h/t drudge
SHOCK POLL: TRUMP BACK IN STRIKING DISTANCE!
LATIMES/USC: CLINTON +1




supporting cop killers is not a smart political move
for Queen Hillary

 

[Slyhunter]

That's what they said decades later when swiftboating Kerry. Meanwhile, their citations at the time, including Thurlow's (even though he tried to hide it), stated they were under fire.

Thurlow swore in an affadavit that he was not under fire, and tow other Swift boat skippers said the same thing. The CO that wrote up the awards would not comment on where he got his info from. I suspect traitor Kerry filled him in on the alleged under fire tale.

And Thurlow lied to a swear on his affadavit. It was later revealed that he too was awarded a Bronze Star with combat 'V' for heroism under enemy fire during that same rescue.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/veterans_citation.pdf

Even the Naval Officer that gave Kerry the medal questioned Kerry's actions in Vietnam. He should have listened to the other boat skippers instead of taking Kerry's word for it.

Thurlow said last night after being read the full text of his Bronze Star citation. "My personal feeling was always that I got the award for coming to the rescue of the boat that was mined. This casts doubt on anybody's awards. It is sickening and disgusting."

Thurlow said he would consider his award "fraudulent" if coming under enemy fire was the basis for it. "I am here to state that we weren't under fire," he said. He speculated that Kerry could have been the source of at least some of the language used in the citation.

The Bronze Star recommendations for both Kerry and Thurlow were signed by Lt. Cmdr. George M. Elliott, who received reports on the incident from his base in the Gulf of Thailand. Elliott is a supporter of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and has questioned Kerry's actions in Vietnam. But he has refused repeated requests for an interview after issuing conflicting statements to the Boston Globe about whether Kerry deserved a Silver Star.

Repeating Thurlow's lie doesn't make it magically true.
Kerry didn't write the citation and there's no evidence Kerry had anything to do with it. Many others there also said they were under fire, including Rassman, who said he dove under water and held his breath as long as possible to avoid enemy fire. A lifelong Republican, he still thanks Kerry for risking his own life to save him.

Regardless of all the bullshit and mudslinging, the fact remains that Kerry didn't give himself any medals. His CO is unlikely to have given anyone a medal just on their say so. He'd need to put together a package justifying the award. Usually something like, "XO, put together a package for Petty Officer Schmuckatelli."

This article points out a few salient facts about medal awards, the disparity between both the services and ranks.

The military's unfair awards system.

I spent 4 years in a peace time army. I used to respect the awards, I no longer do. After a field problem the commanders would get together and distribute the awards among the companies. Not because any single individual deserved the medals but because it was that company's turn to distribute the medals to someone in their ranks. Then they would decide which troops got the medals authorized to hand out by that individual company.

In Korea they did much the same thing. They had quota of medals to give out and that was more important to those in charge than the merits of the individual receiving them.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Anyone who tells you today's polls are not relevant is a secret Trotskyite.

 

[Slyhunter]

I didn't say you mentioned it. I was just checking to see if you believed the swift boat vets.

After traitor Kerry testified the following to Congress,

"They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."

I would believe anyone other than that traitorous bastard.

Why is he a traitor? Was he charged? Most of the above happened at My Lai alone, let alone the other decade of that war.

They were prosecuted for the My Lai massacre and that was not what the traitor was talking about. Kerry is a traitor IMO because he was giving aid and comfort to the enemy by his testimony while we were still engaged in an armed conflict and soldiers were being killed every day.

Kerry is not a traitor and those who believe he is are gullible fools.

He is as big of a traitor as Hanoi Jane.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Thurlow swore in an affadavit that he was not under fire, and tow other Swift boat skippers said the same thing. The CO that wrote up the awards would not comment on where he got his info from. I suspect traitor Kerry filled him in on the alleged under fire tale.

And Thurlow lied to a swear on his affadavit. It was later revealed that he too was awarded a Bronze Star with combat 'V' for heroism under enemy fire during that same rescue.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/veterans_citation.pdf

Even the Naval Officer that gave Kerry the medal questioned Kerry's actions in Vietnam. He should have listened to the other boat skippers instead of taking Kerry's word for it.

Thurlow said last night after being read the full text of his Bronze Star citation. "My personal feeling was always that I got the award for coming to the rescue of the boat that was mined. This casts doubt on anybody's awards. It is sickening and disgusting."

Thurlow said he would consider his award "fraudulent" if coming under enemy fire was the basis for it. "I am here to state that we weren't under fire," he said. He speculated that Kerry could have been the source of at least some of the language used in the citation.

The Bronze Star recommendations for both Kerry and Thurlow were signed by Lt. Cmdr. George M. Elliott, who received reports on the incident from his base in the Gulf of Thailand. Elliott is a supporter of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and has questioned Kerry's actions in Vietnam. But he has refused repeated requests for an interview after issuing conflicting statements to the Boston Globe about whether Kerry deserved a Silver Star.

Repeating Thurlow's lie doesn't make it magically true.
Kerry didn't write the citation and there's no evidence Kerry had anything to do with it. Many others there also said they were under fire, including Rassman, who said he dove under water and held his breath as long as possible to avoid enemy fire. A lifelong Republican, he still thanks Kerry for risking his own life to save him.

Regardless of all the bullshit and mudslinging, the fact remains that Kerry didn't give himself any medals. His CO is unlikely to have given anyone a medal just on their say so. He'd need to put together a package justifying the award. Usually something like, "XO, put together a package for Petty Officer Schmuckatelli."

This article points out a few salient facts about medal awards, the disparity between both the services and ranks.

The military's unfair awards system.

I spent 4 years in a peace time army. I used to respect the awards, I no longer do. After a field problem the commanders would get together and distribute the awards among the companies. Not because any single individual deserved the medals but because it was that company's turn to distribute the medals to someone in their ranks. Then they would decide which troops got the medals authorized to hand out by that individual company.

In Korea they did much the same thing. They had quota of medals to give out and that was more important to those in charge than the merits of the individual receiving them.

So you don't get an award, only nonjudicial administrative discipline. We understand.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I didn't say you mentioned it. I was just checking to see if you believed the swift boat vets.

After traitor Kerry testified the following to Congress,

"They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."

I would believe anyone other than that traitorous bastard.

Why is he a traitor? Was he charged? Most of the above happened at My Lai alone, let alone the other decade of that war.

They were prosecuted for the My Lai massacre and that was not what the traitor was talking about. Kerry is a traitor IMO because he was giving aid and comfort to the enemy by his testimony while we were still engaged in an armed conflict and soldiers were being killed every day.

Kerry is not a traitor and those who believe he is are gullible fools.

He is as big of a traitor as Hanoi Jane.

I agree that tootall is a big traitor.