Now that we have quite a few people on record saying that NOBODY is pushing Socialism...

[Cellblock2429]

/----/ A great discussion of Corporations and the Constitution. More than you'd ever read.
Are Corporations People?

But there was no clerical error: Supreme Court was reported to hold that the Fourteenth Amendment's equal protection clause granted constitutional protections to corporations as well as to natural persons, although numerous other cases, since Dartmouth College v. Woodward in 1819, had recognized that corporations were entitled to some of the protections of the Constitution. Without this classification, Gubmint could not tax and regulate corporations any more than they could tax and regulate a tree or rock. Nor could you sure a corporation since they have no Constitutional standing. Is that what Libtards really want?

It's a legal fiction. It needs to be challenged.

/----/ Venezuela does not grant artificial personhood to corporations and this is what happened:
Factbox: Venezuela's nationalizations under Chavez | Reuters

 

[danielpalos]

Would you agree to a Constitutional Amendment banning socialism or anything like it?

sure; we need to get rid of the socialism of our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

 

[Richard-H]

According to the above definition Regulation constitutes socialism, so by that definition the United States has been socialist for a very, very long time.

well I guess that would depend on what you mean by "regulate" in that description.

If by "regular" you mean put out some rules for safety, that would not be controlling the means of production. If by "regulate" you mean government decides who can own the means of production and what they can do or how much they can make, that is a completely different concept.

Owning and controlling.

Regulation is 'controlling' to some extent. If your talking about absolute control, then, as I've said before, no one wants that.

Once again - we're disagreeing on semantics, not government policies.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Would you agree to a Constitutional Amendment banning socialism or anything like it?

sure; we need to get rid of the socialism of our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

sure; we need to get rid of the socialism of our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

I agree with you that we need to get rid of those. That is not socialism however

 

[toomuchtime_]

The whole socialist vs. anti-socialist argument is bogus.

Everybody has their own definition of socialism - so we're all effectively discussing different topics.

The 'liberal' view of Democratic Socialism consists only of taxation, regulation and government assistance programs.

The 'Conservative' view is government seizure of property, government owned and controlled business, and absolute government dictatorship.

Nobody wants socialism as Conservatives define it.

Conservatives do not want socialism as liberals define it, while liberals do want 'socialism' as they define it.

The truly bogus part is that Conservatives pretend not to be able to distinguish the two - and they repeatedly use arguments against the conservative definition as justification to stop the liberal definition.

Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production,[1] with an emphasis on self-management and democratic management of economic institutions within a market or some form of decentralized planned socialist economy.[2]

Democratic socialists hold that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a socialist society. Democratic socialism can be supportive of either revolutionary or reformistpolitics as a means to establish socialism.[3]

Workplace democracy - Wikipedia

Once again, your getting your bowels in an uproar over semantics. Did you consider that liberal Americans are perhaps not using the term 'Democratic Socialism' correctly - at least not in accordance with your lame effort to demonize it.

The fact is that if you were to discuss Democratic Socialism according to how liberals define it, you would not have much of an argument against it.

Bernie Sanders is a frank and serious socialist as is Ocasio-Cortez, and if you polled Democrats you would see each has significant followings, so either a significant percent of Democrats is dimwitted and uninformed or or they are serious socialists. Stop trying to bullshit your way out of this.

 

[danielpalos]

According to the above definition Regulation constitutes socialism, so by that definition the United States has been socialist for a very, very long time.

well I guess that would depend on what you mean by "regulate" in that description.

If by "regular" you mean put out some rules for safety, that would not be controlling the means of production. If by "regulate" you mean government decides who can own the means of production and what they can do or how much they can make, that is a completely different concept.

Owning and controlling.

Regulation is 'controlling' to some extent. If your talking about absolute control, then, as I've said before, no one wants that.

Once again - we're disagreeing on semantics, not government policies.

the right wing loves to quibble about degrees of socialism.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Regulation is 'controlling' to some extent. If your talking about absolute control, then, as I've said before, no one wants that.

Government taking over an entire industry would be considered socialism correct?

Government controlling an entire industry by being the sole provider of payment and such an industry would be Socialism correct?

 

[danielpalos]

Would you agree to a Constitutional Amendment banning socialism or anything like it?

sure; we need to get rid of the socialism of our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

sure; we need to get rid of the socialism of our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

I agree with you that we need to get rid of those. That is not socialism however

neither is solving for simple poverty.

 

[Muhammed]

You are talking about communism like all GOP dupes. Yes we are all against dictatorships that own all business and industry d uh. Try joining the modern world where socialism is always democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net. You brainwashed functional morons live in an imaginary world where Hillary and Obama are criminals and greedy idiot GOP rich pay too much in taxes and care about workers or anyone else...

You are full of shit. Capitalism with a robust social safety net is just that, it's not socialism.


Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods


You listen to too much Rush Limbaugh.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

the right wing loves to quibble about degrees of socialism.

I would hope everyone wants to criminal quibble about degrees of government control. That is not a right or a left thing. It is an authoritarian versus a libertarian thing.

 

[danielpalos]

Regulation is 'controlling' to some extent. If your talking about absolute control, then, as I've said before, no one wants that.

Government taking over an entire industry would be considered socialism correct?

Government controlling an entire industry by being the sole provider of payment and such an industry would be Socialism correct?

our form of socialism is limited by our social Contract.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

neither is solving for simple poverty.

No, that's just theft.

 

[danielpalos]

You are talking about communism like all GOP dupes. Yes we are all against dictatorships that own all business and industry d uh. Try joining the modern world where socialism is always democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net. You brainwashed functional morons live in an imaginary world where Hillary and Obama are criminals and greedy idiot GOP rich pay too much in taxes and care about workers or anyone else...

You are full of shit. Capitalism with a robust social safety net is just that, it's not socialism.


Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods


You listen to too much Rush Limbaugh.

it isn't true free market capitalism if you have any public sector intervention.

 

[danielpalos]

the right wing loves to quibble about degrees of socialism.

I would hope everyone wants to criminal quibble about degrees of government control. That is not a right or a left thing. It is an authoritarian versus a libertarian thing.

there is no express immigration or wall building clause; why so much Socialism.

 

[danielpalos]

neither is solving for simple poverty.

No, that's just theft.

unlike unequal protection of the law and alleged wars on abstractions that are social policy not capital policy.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

there is no express immigration or wall building clause; why so much Socialism.

This is completely off-topic.

 

[Oddball]

I would hope everyone wants to criminal quibble about degrees of government control. That is not a right or a left thing. It is an authoritarian versus a libertarian thing.

FTR, I don't think we need a constitutional amendment....Better that all of them after the 13th are repealed.

 

[danielpalos]

there is no express immigration or wall building clause; why so much Socialism.

This is completely off-topic.

i thought you were against outright, individual liberty infringing, Socialism.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

unlike unequal protection of the law and alleged wars on abstractions that are social policy not capital policy.

This also appears to be off-topic.

This discussion has nothing to do with equal protection or wars that I too disagree with.

 

[danielpalos]

unlike unequal protection of the law and alleged wars on abstractions that are social policy not capital policy.

This also appears to be off-topic.

This discussion has nothing to do with equal protection or wars that I too disagree with.

the right wing alleges their socialism is really capitalism.

the left should do the same.