Now white conservatives can understand how Blacks feel about the justice system.

It's not normal for people to be able to feel much empathy for those who are different from them. This is universally true.

In America, whites, and especially white conservatives, don't really appreciate what is was like to be Black before the Civil Rights Revolution fifty years ago, and especially what it was like to be Black in the South. And even if they do, many of them assume it's totally different now.

I don't want to start an argument about this here (elsewhere, sure) but there is still 'statistical racism' in the US: if a policeman pulls over a car with a dead tail light, and the occupants are young Black males, they will be treated differently than if they were white. There's a valid reason for this, but if you're one of those young Black males, it might not cut much ice with you at the time.

And if you're Black, in front of an all-white jury and a white judge, you won't be crazy to think that your skin color is going to play a role in what happens.

Individuals acting in a private capacity are one thing. But the law is supposed to treat us all equally, regardless of our race, sex, or political affiliation.

But this is not always the case. Long ago, in Houston, an acquaintance of mine named Lee Otis Johnson, a Black militant who was a thorn in the side of the police, gave an undercover policeman a marijuana cigaratte ... was arrested ... was sentenced to, wait for it .... thirty years in prison. All following the letter of the law. He served four before a higher court overturned the sentence. [ Black Panther Gets 30 Years for One Joint (1968) – Hippyland ]

Equal treatment? Things have improved a lot, with respect to race and the law, but they started from a very low base. (The one area where 'Critical Race Theory', which used to be called 'Critical Legal Theory', had a point, was in the way the law could appear to be race-neutral, but in fact was not neutral. (More about that here: [ Critical Race Theory Wasn’t Always Like This ] )

Now, we're finding out what it's like when the letter of the law is followed, but the acutal application of it is unequal. Does anyone believe that if Mr Trump had continued as a Democrat, that he would now be facing felony charges? When I see pious Democrats being interviewed saying 'No one is above the law' I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Come on! Are you kidding me? Hunter Biden is not only 'high', he's high above the law.

Unequal treatment before the law, while following the letter of the law, is now going to be applied to white conservatives. We're going to get to feel what it's like. There are two positive results from this: (1) it will wake up more of our people (and maybe some others as well) as to what is happening to America, and (2) it may make us a bit more understanding of how that young Black man being pulled over for a dead tail light feels.
It's funny how you imply that white liberals have a better "appreciation" for the black condition. As a group, white liberals are racist, condescending, and harmful to blacks (their policies caused the black condition) - all the while feeling righteous.
 
You're the one that cited DumBama, not me.

The Obama administration has awarded $12 million for assistance to Holocaust survivors.

The allocation from the Department of Health and Human Services to the Jewish Federations of North America, to be disbursed over five years, is part of an initiative launched in late 2013 by Vice President Joe Biden to address the needs of survivors in the United States, a quarter of whom live below the poverty line.

I cited more than Pres. Obama and I know noticed you didn't want to deal with any of that.
 
It obviously happens. That’s why it is universally opposes.

Try to follow along, you pinhead. The claim that republicans support it is false.
If it happens, then someone is doing 'it'. But if they're doing 'it', then 'it' can't be universally opposed.
Also: Who claims that Republicans support 'it'? Not me, at any rate.

I think what you're trying to say is that, although mis-treatment of people because of their race does occur,
it's not something that is now supported by popular opinion, or even something to which popular opinion is effectively indifferent (as was the case with how Blacks were treated in the South until the US had to compete with the Soviets for influence in the non-white Third World, when the South's treatment of Blacks became an embarassment.)

This is true. However, it's also true that people often pay lip-service to an ideal, while falling far short of meeting that ideal in practice. Even in the South a hundred years ago, lynching was not officially approved of. The American army strongly disapproves of murdering innocent civilians. But My Lai still occurred, and the men who did the killing were not punished.

On the other hand, people who are not completely ignorant of social reality know that when policemen deal with citizens, they -- like all the rest of us -- have various pre-conceptions, various assumptions about the likelihood of how that person will react. And while there may be some unwarranted pre-judgements here, these assumptions are mainly based on fact.

Our brains cannot help but generalize from experience. So ... a policeman stopping a car, for whatever reason, will have a different set of assumptions depending on (1) surroundings -- does the stop happen in the middle of the day on Main Street, or at night in a lonely street near a public housing project, (2) who's in the car -- numbers, age, race -- an elderly Chinese lady is very unlikely to draw a .357 magnum and try to shoot her way out of traffic ticket. Three young Black males are another story ... and even if only once in a thousand times will that configuration be dangerous, no policeman with a survival instinct will ignore the possibilty of an 'adverse outcome'.

This is just reality and we have to live with it.

Yes, we've come a long way, just in my lifetime. But it would be naive to assume that every white, including every white in a position of power, is utterly fair and scrupulous when dealing with Blacks. (And vice versa, when that occurs. See the OJ Simpson trial.)

There are even people on this board who, by their comments, show that they see Black people as a group, with all of them having the qualities of the worst of that group. For instance, someone -- on this Board -- who talks about 'darkies'. Do you believe that this person, on a jury, would treat a Black defendant exactly as they would treat a white defendant?
 
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That's exactly what I mean. Of course, it could only come about in the context of a massive upheaval and disruption of the existing system of governments and states ... wait ... come to think of it, that's just how Israel came about!

Right now, it seems very improbable, for several reasons. So Blacks will just have to try to fit within the American system, and whites will just have to whatever we can to help them do so.

But, when we look at the very dysfunctional Black ghetto, if we try to be as objective and hard-headed as we can, we can see what tremendous barriers there are to that. It's not accidental that even in places with a sympathetic liberal government -- the Northern states and cities -- where there have been innumerable programs and billions of dollars spent to address the problem, there has been little success. In fact, things have become worse.

Everyone, Left or Right, have a look at this video. It's only 7 minutes long.
It may change the way you think about our race problem in the US. And it doesn't score points for Left or Right.

It's called "The 1950s Inner-city Black Communities Were Strong"

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Then read the comments by Black people below it -- I'll copy some of them here:
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"This generation was far poorer than we are now, but their communities were far safer. The difference is their family structures were largely intact and ours aren't. You cannot have a functioning community without men leading and mentoring their youth. A community without fathers will always crumble. No amount of money, or programs, or grants can take the place of an entire community where men are in the home. That is the ingredient missing from our communities today. "

"Even though I was born in 1988, I am familiar with the Black America he speaks of. My parents held these values and taught them to myself and I have not abandoned them. Baby momma/baby daddy culture has destroyed traditional Black America."

"I’m 74 and black and can attest to what this guy is saying. We were poor but didn’t even know it. Take me back to yesteryear."

"Wow what a powerful and incredible interview. I grew up in this era. It was amazingly wonderful. Everyone respected one another. There was so much support around. Black people were poor but we were “rich.” We had everything. We loved our teachers, neighbors, parents, churches, friends etc. We never saw drugs, violence, sex, bullying, cursing etc. Everyone respected everyone else. Peace was everywhere. You could travel anywhere and no one bothered you. These were the good old days."

"The 70’s & 80’s,was when the drug epidemic began to burn through black communities. That epidemic destroyed black men and women, which led to the arrest, incarceration and death of a lot of black men and women. It caused the break up of the black family structure."

"I am 44 years old, in 2020. I grew up in a small town in Alabama in the 1980's, early 1990's. I managed to catch the tail end of the Black community that he speaks of. Those days are gone. So sad."


" “Integration was never our goal. We never saw integration as a solution to the problems. We were seeking desegregation. And I think confusion on that point has continued to erode the collective self-confidence of the black community today.”

"He literally speaks like my uncle. My black parents and uncles also grew up in 1950s black South Philadelphia Pa. My parents, especially my father LOVED the 50s as a black teenager. He loved the cars, clothes, doo wop and cool jazz music, the cowboy movies. The only thing he complained about the 50s was the lack of sex and how risky it was to get a girl pregnant."

"I was born in 62' to young responsible, hardworking parents. Two sets of grandparents. Aunts that were ladies. Uncles that were hard working men, some worked on the railroads. My family had pride. I never once heard I was a victim or less than anyone! I was told as a little boy i could do anything i wanted. And i eventually did just that making myself well off by age 40.
By the 80s my family was hardly recognizable. In fact, i don't recognize black people at ALL today,. Especially disappointing are how relentless black men bitch and moan about everything! They're PROUD to be thought of as victims! I never once heard my father, grandfathers or uncles complain once. They had plenty to complain about, believe me. It was instilled in me by example. "A man never complains or explains himself." "Be a man of action and few words"

"What this video reminds me of is how history has been revised today about the 50s. People, especially young blacks, are brainwashed to believe the 1950s were only good times for WHITES. Its sickening the lies!"

"Closing in on my 57th birthday i don't even recognize the country i love. Feels like I'm living in a twilight zone! God help us!! "
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So, what happened? It's a long story, and one which I don't fully understand, but it's part of what happened to America, for good or ill: the birth control pill; the Civil Rights movement and Vietnam which made a whole generation of young people cynical about their country; unprecedented prosperity in a nation which dominated the world, but which also saw, via automation and globalization, the loss of well-paying working class jobs; video-recorders and the internet; greatly increased enrollment in college. And probably other factors, some of which we may not even be aware.

Anyway, I don't think "business as usual" is going to solve our race problem. On the other hand, I strongly suspect we're moving into a period where "business as usual" will be a thing of the past.

no black kids were not any nicer to white kids who were bussed into there schools.
 
your quote

:"Diversity is not strength, but hell. ":

Trying to explain away your racism fails.

Racial purity was part of WW2, the American Civil please name a civil war during the last 50 years bought on by racial/cultural diversity.

Look at the top athletes in every sort. Mixed race people dominate in far greater numbers that their population suggests.
Intelligence? The Obamas vs the Trumps, nuff said

I like italian food, greek food, Latin foods, ...this diversity has made dining a broader and more enjoyable experience.

What you'd like is what happened among the White people in Haiti study up




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It's difficult to argue with someone who doesn't bother to read what I wrote. In fact, I wonder
if you even read what you wrote, since your arguments are not coherent.

When different tribes live side-by-side, and one of them is not overwhelmingly dominant, then
the possibility is always there for bloody civil war between them -- or a bloody repression of one tribe by the other. This is especially true if it's physically possible for the minority tribe to overturn the rule of the majority one, and set up its own state, or merge with a nearby state where the minority is the majority.

Don't you know anything about (1) Northern Ireland, (2) East and Central Europe between the wars (how many Poles did the Ukrainians slaughter?), (3) Greeks and Turks just after WWI, (4) Greeks and Turks on Cyprus in 1973, (5) the Bihari minority in what is now Bangladesh when that country (then part of Pakistan) broke away ... I could go on and on.

I know they don't teach much reality in the American school system. But if you want to know how the world really works, put that Playstation down and do some unacustomed reading. (I would post photographs of how inter-penetrated tribes express their brotherly love for each other from time to time, except the Mods here have told me Board rules forbid posting 'morbid' photographs.)

Here's just a sample of what you could read about, or have someone read to you:

"Rural and urban areas across East Pakistan saw extensive military operations and air strikes to suppress the tide of civil disobedience that formed following the 1970 election stalemate. The Pakistan Army, which had the backing of Islamists, created radical religious militias—the Razakars, Al-Badr and Al-Shams—to assist it during raids on the local populace. Members of the Pakistani military and supporting militias engaged in mass murder, deportation and genocidal rape, pursuing a systematic campaign of annihilation against nationalist Bengali civilians, students, intelligentsia, religious minorities and armed personnel. The capital, Dhaka, was the scene of numerous massacres, including the Dhaka University massacre. Sectarian violence also broke out between Bengalis and Urdu-speaking Biharis. An estimated 10 million Bengali refugees fled to neighbouring India, while 30 million were internally displaced."
[ Bangladesh Liberation War - Wikipedia ]

"Biharis were ethnic Urdu-speakers and largely maintained a pro-Pakistani stance, supported the Pakistan Armed Forces and opposed the independence of Bangladesh and the Bengali language movement. Biharis faced reprisals from Mukti Bahini and militias and from 500,000[ to 550,000 were killed. "
[ Persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh - Wikipedia ]

Maybe you've never heard of 'Yugoslavia' -- but it used to be a socialist 'Federation' of different South Slav peoples.
(Note, all of them were 'white', and most of them were 'Christians'. This sort of thing takes place all the time in Africa, but don't think it's restricted to that continent. I've refrained from listing all the horrible inter-tribal slaughters in Africa.)
[ List of massacres in Yugoslavia - Wikipedia ]


"On the tenth anniversary of the end of Sri Lanka’s three decade-long internal armed conflict, Amnesty International calls on the government of Sri Lanka to end impunity and put accountability for crimes under international law and human rights violations and abuses at the heart of its transitional justice process.

The horrific Easter Sunday attacks on 21 April 2019, that killed more than 250 people at three churches and three hotels, and the attacks that followed in its aftermath, are a reminder of the violence continues to haunt Sri Lanka"
[ Impunity in Sri Lanka fuels recurrence of violence ]

The nice civilized Europeans have killed each other by the bushel basket -- and not just the Jews.

[ Category:Ethnic cleansing in Europe - Wikipedia ]

It's a human universal:

[ Category:Lists of massacres by country - Wikipedia ]

In America, we're stuck with ethnic diversity. We'll have to try to make it work. When a country is on the way up, or at the top, there's lots of goodies to go around. When it's not ... when it's been humiliated in a war, or when economic hard times arrive ... look out!
 
no black kids were not any nicer to white kids who were bussed into there schools.
I can believe that. What white liberals did when it appeared a lot of Black kids were going to start being bussed to their school, was to get the school district boundaries redrawn by starting new school districts. Clever.

It's not about race, except accidentally. People don't want their children going to school with other children who are likely to be violent and disruptive. And this includes Black middle-class parents as well.

What we need is School Choice. I'll bet if the Black Muslims opened some schools in urban areas, they'd be overwhelmed with applications from Black parents who aren't Muslims, but who want their kids to get a traditional (real) education.

In the meantime, anyone who wants to know what can be done, needs to learn about Michaela School in the UK, which takes mainly non-white kids, and gives them an education that matches that of the top private schools.
[ Michaela Community School - Wikipedia ] Naturally, the Left, who hate it when non-white groups succeed, loathe this school. (If you read the article, know that 'GCSE' is very roughly equivalent to a high school diploma.)
 
I can believe that. What white liberals did when it appeared a lot of Black kids were going to start being bussed to their school, was to get the school district boundaries redrawn by starting new school districts. Clever.

It's not about race, except accidentally. People don't want their children going to school with other children who are likely to be violent and disruptive. And this includes Black middle-class parents as well.

What we need is School Choice. I'll bet if the Black Muslims opened some schools in urban areas, they'd be overwhelmed with applications from Black parents who aren't Muslims, but who want their kids to get a traditional (real) education.

In the meantime, anyone who wants to know what can be done, needs to learn about Michaela School in the UK, which takes mainly non-white kids, and gives them an education that matches that of the top private schools.
[ Michaela Community School - Wikipedia ] Naturally, the Left, who hate it when non-white groups succeed, loathe this school. (If you read the article, know that 'GCSE' is very roughly equivalent to a high school diploma.)
black didnt ant whites in their school wither and were just as nasty. black schools are just another way for black to spit in the face of civil rights leaders who faught for them to be the same. ever sence then all they did was sperate them selves.
 
black didnt ant whites in their school wither and were just as nasty. black schools are just another way for black to spit in the face of civil rights leaders who faught for them to be the same. ever sence then all they did was sperate them selves.
I think Black people probably do, most of them, want to be separate from whites. They should have to right to do this, if they wish.
 
black didnt ant whites in their school wither and were just as nasty. black schools are just another way for black to spit in the face of civil rights leaders who faught for them to be the same. ever sence then all they did was sperate them selves.
Are you really that freakin ignorant? HBCUs were created because black folks couldn't go to white colleges and universities, idiot. There are plenty of white students that attend HBCUs.
 
I think Black people probably do, most of them, want to be separate from whites. They should have to right to do this, if they wish.

I wish they would. If they all left and moved to one state other than mine, my property value would more than double.
 
Are you saying that Jewish folks rec'd no aid from America and the rest of the world after the Holocaust?

We're not talking about the rest of the world, we're talking about our US government since you are trying to compare black reparations to the Jewish plight.
 
If it happens, then someone is doing 'it'. But if they're doing 'it', then 'it' can't be universally opposed.
Also: Who claims that Republicans support 'it'? Not me, at any rate.

I think what you're trying to say is that, although mis-treatment of people because of their race does occur,
it's not something that is now supported by popular opinion, or even something to which popular opinion is effectively indifferent (as was the case with how Blacks were treated in the South until the US had to compete with the Soviets for influence in the non-white Third World, when the South's treatment of Blacks became an embarassment.)

This is true. However, it's also true that people often pay lip-service to an ideal, while falling far short of meeting that ideal in practice. Even in the South a hundred years ago, lynching was not officially approved of. The American army strongly disapproves of murdering innocent civilians. But My Lai still occurred, and the men who did the killing were not punished.

On the other hand, people who are not completely ignorant of social reality know that when policemen deal with citizens, they -- like all the rest of us -- have various pre-conceptions, various assumptions about the likelihood of how that person will react. And while there may be some unwarranted pre-judgements here, these assumptions are mainly based on fact.

Our brains cannot help but generalize from experience. So ... a policeman stopping a car, for whatever reason, will have a different set of assumptions depending on (1) surroundings -- does the stop happen in the middle of the day on Main Street, or at night in a lonely street near a public housing project, (2) who's in the car -- numbers, age, race -- an elderly Chinese lady is very unlikely to draw a .357 magnum and try to shoot her way out of traffic ticket. Three young Black males are another story ... and even if only once in a thousand times will that configuration be dangerous, no policeman with a survival instinct will ignore the possibilty of an 'adverse outcome'.

This is just reality and we have to live with it.

Yes, we've come a long way, just in my lifetime. But it would be naive to assume that every white, including every white in a position of power, is utterly fair and scrupulous when dealing with Blacks. (And vice versa, when that occurs. See the OJ Simpson trial.)

There are even people on this board who, by their comments, show that they see Black people as a group, with all of them having the qualities of the worst of that group. For instance, someone -- on this Board -- who talks about 'darkies'. Do you believe that this person, on a jury, would treat a Black defendant exactly as they would treat a white defendant?
You may be verbose but at least you’re pointless.
 
It's not normal for people to be able to feel much empathy for those who are different from them. This is universally true.

In America, whites, and especially white conservatives, don't really appreciate what is was like to be Black before the Civil Rights Revolution fifty years ago, and especially what it was like to be Black in the South. And even if they do, many of them assume it's totally different now.

I don't want to start an argument about this here (elsewhere, sure) but there is still 'statistical racism' in the US: if a policeman pulls over a car with a dead tail light, and the occupants are young Black males, they will be treated differently than if they were white. There's a valid reason for this, but if you're one of those young Black males, it might not cut much ice with you at the time.

And if you're Black, in front of an all-white jury and a white judge, you won't be crazy to think that your skin color is going to play a role in what happens.

Individuals acting in a private capacity are one thing. But the law is supposed to treat us all equally, regardless of our race, sex, or political affiliation.

But this is not always the case. Long ago, in Houston, an acquaintance of mine named Lee Otis Johnson, a Black militant who was a thorn in the side of the police, gave an undercover policeman a marijuana cigaratte ... was arrested ... was sentenced to, wait for it .... thirty years in prison. All following the letter of the law. He served four before a higher court overturned the sentence. [ Black Panther Gets 30 Years for One Joint (1968) – Hippyland ]

Equal treatment? Things have improved a lot, with respect to race and the law, but they started from a very low base. (The one area where 'Critical Race Theory', which used to be called 'Critical Legal Theory', had a point, was in the way the law could appear to be race-neutral, but in fact was not neutral. (More about that here: [ Critical Race Theory Wasn’t Always Like This ] )

Now, we're finding out what it's like when the letter of the law is followed, but the acutal application of it is unequal. Does anyone believe that if Mr Trump had continued as a Democrat, that he would now be facing felony charges? When I see pious Democrats being interviewed saying 'No one is above the law' I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Come on! Are you kidding me? Hunter Biden is not only 'high', he's high above the law.

Unequal treatment before the law, while following the letter of the law, is now going to be applied to white conservatives. We're going to get to feel what it's like. There are two positive results from this: (1) it will wake up more of our people (and maybe some others as well) as to what is happening to America, and (2) it may make us a bit more understanding of how that young Black man being pulled over for a dead tail light feels.
To your well thought out points here is the issue at hand. How were other countries of the world treating their minorities in the 1890s the 1920s the 1940s what about that? This is a core part of this debate my friend.

According to the late Walter E Williams The black divorce rate was far lower in the American Past than it is today., black Children born out of wedlock was much lower in the American past compared to today. The black middle-class was stronger in the American past compared to today. All of this also applies to white Americans of the past compared to today. There it is my friend there is the argument. It cannot be beaten. The American past was better for all Americans compared to today.

We can also talk about the times of slavery. You see when black Americans were enslaved in America.., white people were enslaved in north Africa and were owned by Black people.

Lots of Americans today including rich Black people and rich white people don’t know the struggle that poor black Americans and poor white Americans went through in the 20th century. But through hard work and determination many black Americans and white Americans worked up into the middle class and the upper class in the 20th century.
 
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The United States ended slavery in 1865. 100s of thousands of white men died, many great men including black men died fighting in the United States Civil War to end slavery. When slavery ended in 1865 in America it continued on and many other countries of the world.
 
I think Black people probably do, most of them, want to be separate from whites. They should have to right to do this, if they wish.
yet we all marched together for us all to be one. talk about spitting in the face of martin luther king and their own people. a disgrace.;
 

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