Obama: Be Prepared for Global Warming Spawned Super Hurricanes

[Weatherman2020]

PANIC EVERYONE!
After Katrina Al Gore said the same thing. Been 10 years since a major hurricane has hit the US.
Hurricanes are deniers!

President Barack Obama said Americans should get survival kits and stay vigilant because global warming is going to bring “more powerful and more devastating” hurricanes to the U.S.

“And that means taking proactive steps, like having an evacuation plan, having a fully stocked disaster supply kit,” Obama said Tuesday during a meeting with Federal Emergency Management Agency officials. “If your local authorities ask you to evacuate, you have to do it; don’t wait.”

Obama went on to warn that as global warming becomes more prevalent hurricanes would become more destructive.

“All of us have seen the heartbreak, the damage and, in some case, the loss of life that hurricanes can cause,” Obama said. “And as climate continues to change, hurricanes are only going to become more powerful and more devastating.”

Obama Warns Global Warming Could Create A ‘Devastating’ Hurricane Season

 

[Fenton Lum]

Wasn't Sandy 2012?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

 

[Weatherman2020]

Wasn't Sandy 2012?

Sandy was Cat 1, barely a hurricane when it hit the US.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Wasn't Sandy 2012?

Sandy was Cat 1, barely a hurricane when it hit the US.

Sounded like quite an event with a sizable economic impact. I’m not sure arbitrary storm categorizations by meteorologists indicate a given universal level of destruction to all locations, but whatever. Has nothing to do with the thread’s purpose.

 

[Fenton Lum]

The half black guy sure has collected a lot of sore losers to laugh about.

 

[RollingThunder]

Been 10 years since a major hurricane has hit the US. Hurricanes are deniers!

And there's the jingoistic insanity of hard-core denier cultists like ol' WitheredMan, plainly revealed. The USA covers only about 6.5% of the Earth's land surface area but the demented deniers think that if a hurricane didn't "hit the US", it didn't happen....even if it just misses us and hits Mexico.

In reality, the strongest storms ever recorded have happened in the last few years. (BTW, hurricanes and typhoons are the same kind of storms, known collectively as tropical cyclones. Hurricanes form in the Atlantic and eastern Pacific, while typhoons form in the western Pacific Ocean.)

Like Typhoon Haiyan in the Western Pacific in 2013. Deadly and destructive, Haiyan had winds of 195 mph as it slammed into the Philippines in November 2013. It was the deadliest typhoon in recorded Philippine history, leaving more than 7,300 people dead or missing, primarily from its massive 15- to 19-foot storm surge that demolished and swept away everything in its path.

And just very recently....
Hurricane Patricia
Wikipedia
Category 5 major hurricane (SSHWS/NWS)

Hurricane Patricia shortly after its record peak intensity on October 23, while approaching Western Mexico

Formed October 20, 2015
Dissipated October 24, 2015
Highest winds 1-minute sustained:215 mph (345 km/h)
Lowest pressure 872 mbar (hPa); 25.75 inHg
(Record low in Western Hemisphere; second-lowest globally)
Fatalities 8 direct, 5 indirect
Damage $460 million (2015 USD)
Areas affected Central America, Mexico, Texas
Part of the 2015 Pacific hurricane season

Hurricane Patricia (Spanish pronunciation: [paˈtɾisia]) was the second-most intense tropical cyclone on record worldwide, with a minimum atmospheric pressure of 872 mbar (hPa; 25.75 inHg).[1] Originating from a sprawling disturbance near the Gulf of Tehuantepec, south of Mexico, in mid-October 2015, Patricia was first classified a tropical depression on October 20. Initial development was slow, with only modest strengthening within the first day of its classification. The system later became a tropical storm and was named Patricia, the twenty-fourth named storm of the annual hurricane season. Exceptionally favorable environmental conditions fueled explosive intensification on October 22. A well-defined eye developed within an intense central dense overcast and Patricia grew from a tropical storm to a Category 5 hurricane in just 24 hours—a near-record pace. On October 23, the hurricane achieved its record peak intensity with maximum sustained winds of 215 mph (345 km/h).[nb 1][nb 2] This made it the most intense tropical cyclone on record in the Western Hemisphere, and the strongest globally in terms of 1-minute maximum sustained winds.

Late on October 23, dramatic weakening ensued and Patricia made landfall near Cuixmala, Jalisco, with winds of 150 mph (240 km/h). This made it the strongest landfalling hurricane on record along the Pacific coast of Mexico. Patricia continued to weaken extremely quickly, faster than it had intensified, as it interacted with the mountainous terrain of Mexico. Within 24 hours of moving ashore, Patricia degraded into a tropical depression and dissipated soon thereafter late on October 24.

The precursor to Patricia produced widespread flooding rains in Central America. Hundreds of thousands of people were directly affected by the storm, mostly in Guatemala. At least six fatalities were attributed to the event: four in El Salvador, one in Guatemala, and one in Nicaragua. Torrential rains extended into southeastern Mexico, with areas of Quintana Roo and Veracruz reporting accumulations in excess of 19.7 in (500 mm). Damage in Chetumal reached 1.4 billion pesos (US$84.1 million).[nb 3]

As a tropical cyclone, Patricia's effects in Mexico were tremendous; however, the affected areas were predominantly rural, mitigating a potential large-scale disaster. Violent winds tore roofs from structures and stripped coastal areas of their vegetation. Preliminary assessments indicate hundreds of homes to be destroyed; seven fatalities are linked to the hurricane directly or indirectly. Total damage was estimated to be in excess of 5.4 billion pesos (US$323.3 million), with agriculture and infrastructure comprising the majority of losses. Flooding partially associated with remnant moisture from Patricia inflicted US$52.5 million in damage across Southern Texas.

Obama went on to warn that as global warming becomes more prevalent hurricanes would become more destructive.

“All of us have seen the heartbreak, the damage and, in some case, the loss of life that hurricanes can cause,” Obama said. “And as climate continues to change, hurricanes are only going to become more powerful and more devastating.”

And he is quite correct in his statements, as the scientists confirm.

Extreme weather already on increase due to climate change, study finds

In a Warming World, the Storms May Be Fewer But Stronger - NASA Earth Observatory

toiletpaper://dailycaller.com/2016/05/31/wh-global-warming-could-create-a-devastating-hurricane-season/']Obama Warns Global Warming Could Create A ‘Devastating’ Hurricane Season[/URSTUPID]

And there's the usual kind of corrupt, slanted, rightwingnut denier cult sources that crackpots like WitheredMan always get their fraudulent propaganda memes from.

 

[flacaltenn]

Wasn't Sandy 2012?

Sandy was Cat 1, barely a hurricane when it hit the US.

Sounded like quite an event with a sizable economic impact. I’m not sure arbitrary storm categorizations by meteorologists indicate a given universal level of destruction to all locations, but whatever. Has nothing to do with the thread’s purpose.

It was unusually destructive because where it struck is an area unprepared for hurricanes. Those beach towns at the Jersey shore were built right thru the dune line. Homes hanging right off the dunes. Major tourist streets leading straight to the breakers. Folks took the odds and lost. And they whine about it because they got away with it for so long..

People who do that on the outer banks of the Carolinas EXPECT to take a loss. Because that's the bullseye for Atlantic storms. And the density of that development is a LOT LESS than the NY/NJ shore.

Sandy WAS barely a hurricane. Now they know what the risk looks like. .

 

[Olde Europe]

It was unusually destructive because where it struck is an area unprepared for hurricanes.

Funny, isn't it? Hurricanes suddenly showing up in places where such is not supposed to happen, at least nothing of that magnitude. One would expect that could be a learning experience above and beyond having a go at those dupes who relied upon "isn't supposed to happen" for the safety of their homes. Yet, in the service of climate change denialism, that cannot be allowed to happen.

And they whine about it because they got away with it for so long.

Now they know what the risk looks like.

Yeah, the blame-the-victims game never really goes out of fashion.

 

[flacaltenn]

It was unusually destructive because where it struck is an area unprepared for hurricanes.

Funny, isn't it? Hurricanes suddenly showing up in places where such is not supposed to happen, at least nothing of that magnitude. One would expect that could be a learning experience above and beyond having a go at those dupes who relied upon "isn't supposed to happen" for the safety of their homes. Yet, in the service of climate change denialism, that cannot be allowed to happen.

And they whine about it because they got away with it for so long.

Now they know what the risk looks like.

Yeah, the blame-the-victims game never really goes out of fashion.

That doesn't fly.. Knowledge is your friend.

• between 1278 and 1438 — A major hurricane struck the modern-day New York/New Jersey area, probably the strongest in recent millennia.[1]
• August 25, 1635 — A hurricane that is reported to have tracked parallel to the East Coast impacts New England and New York, although it remains unknown if any damage occurred.[2]
• September 8, 1667 — A 'severe storm' is reported in Manhattan and is reported to be a continuation of a powerful hurricane which affected the Mid-Atlantic.[2]
• October 29, 1693 — The Great Storm of 1693 causes severe damage on Long Island, and is reported to create the Fire Island Cut as a result of the coast-changing storm surge and waves.[2][3]
• September 23, 1785 — Several large ships crash into Governors Island as a result of powerful waves which are reported to have been generated by a tropical cyclone.[3]
• August 19, 1788 — A hurricane strikes New York City or Long Island and is reported to have left the west side of the Battery "laid in ruins" after severe flooding occurs.[3]

1800–99[edit]

Estimated track of the 1821 Norfolk and Long Island hurricane

• October 9, 1804 — Heavy snow falls in Eastern New York peaking at 30 inches (75 cm) as a hurricane tracks northward along the East Coast and becomes extratropical, as cold air fed into the system.[4]
• September 5, 1815 — A hurricane tracks over North Carolina and parallels the East Coast before producing a heavy rainstorm in New York.[5]
• September 24, 1815 — Several hundred trees fall and the majority of the fruit was stripped off apple trees just prior to harvesting time after a hurricane makes landfall on Long Island.[6]
• September 16, 1816 — A possible hurricane strikes New York City, but damage remains unknown.[2]
• August 9, 1817 — A tropical storm produces heavy rainfall in New York City and Long Island.[2]
• September 3, 1821 — The 1821 Norfolk and Long Island hurricane results in severe damage on Long Island and is accompanied by storm surge of 13 feet (4 m). High wind causes a ship to crash on Long Island killing 17 people.[7]
• June 4, 1825 — A hurricane moves off the East Coast and tracks south of New York causing several ship wrecks, and killing seven people.[3]
• August 27, 1827 — High tides are reported in New York City which are caused by a hurricane offshore.[8]
• August 1, 1830 – A hurricane passes to the east of New York and produces gale-force winds to New York City and Long Island.[9]
• October 4, 1841 — Gale–force winds affect New York City as a hurricane tracks north along the East Coast of the United States. Damage is estimated at $2 million (1841 USD, $41 million 2007 USD).[10]
• October 13, 1846 — The Great Havana Hurricane of 1846 tracks inland, causing some damage to New York City.[3]
• October 6, 1849 — Severe structural damage occurs in New York City and Long Island with the passage of a hurricane to the east.[3]
• July 19, 1850 — A hurricane destroys a Coney Island bath house and causes heavy rain, although damage is unknown.[3] This storm destroyed the ship Elizabeth off Fire Island and drowned American transcendentalist Margaret Fuller.
• August 24, 1850 — A storm that is reported to be a hurricane affects New York and New England although there is no known damage.[2]
• September 9, 1854 — A hurricane brushes the East Coast from Florida to New England causing rain on Long Island.[3]
• September 16, 1858 — Low barometric pressure of 28.87 inches mercury at Sag Harbor is reported, and is thought to be associated with a tropical cyclone which causes no known damage.[3]
• September 6, 1869 — A category 3 hurricane makes landfall in Rhode Island and brushes Long Island, which is affected by rain, although minimal damage resulted from the storm.[3]
• October 28, 1872 — A tropical storm passes over New York City and Long Island.[11]
• October 1, 1874 — New York City and the Hudson Valley receives rainfall after a minimal tropical storm tracked over Eastern New York.[11]
• September 19, 1876 — The remnants of the San Felipe hurricane track over western New York State, although damage is unknown.[11]
• October 24, 1878 — The state is affected by tropical storm-force winds and heavy rain with the passage of a hurricane, which made landfall in Virginia.[11][12]
• August 22, 1888 — A tropical storm tracks over New York City before tracking north along the East Coast of the United States.[11]
• August 24, 1893 — Hog Island is washed away by strong storm surge associated with a tropical storm of unknown strength.[3] According to HURDAT, this was a Category 1 hurricane that struck the western end of the Rockaway Peninsula, passing through Brooklyn as a weakening hurricane. Manhattan Island saw gale force winds to 56 mph.
• August 29, 1893 Sea Islands Hurricane moves thorough the Hudson Valley as a tropical storm.[13] Lives were lost in the Rockaways and when tow boats were destroyed at various points along the Hudson River. Roofs, structures, boats and crops were destroyed or damaged from Brooklyn to as far west as Dunkirk. Winds of 54 and 57 MPH recorded in New York and Albany respectively.[14][15]
• October 10, 1894 10 People were killed and 15 injured at 74 Monroe Street in Manhattan when winds blew a building under construction onto a tenement crushing it. Extensive damage in the NYC and Long Island to telegraph lines, trees and boats docked on shore. Storm formed over Gulf of Mexico as a Category 3 weakened over land in the Southeast and re strengthened to a Category 1 over the Chesapeake Bay before striking Long Island.[16][17]

Didn't EVEN make it into the 20th Century there Oldie Euro. But the rest is on the Wiki under New York hurricanes.

SO ---- Sandy was no surprise to anyone who is familiar with hurricanes.Note one of the events I highlighted from 1841 caused $41Mill damage with just GALE FORCE winds. Not even hurricane intensity...

I AM blaming the victims. Because I grew up on a beach and I abhor the concept of mucking with the natural dune lines and blocking out sun with buildings. Whether they are New Yorkers or Carolinians.

 

[RollingThunder]

It was unusually destructive because where it struck is an area unprepared for hurricanes.

Funny, isn't it? Hurricanes suddenly showing up in places where such is not supposed to happen, at least nothing of that magnitude. One would expect that could be a learning experience above and beyond having a go at those dupes who relied upon "isn't supposed to happen" for the safety of their homes. Yet, in the service of climate change denialism, that cannot be allowed to happen.

And they whine about it because they got away with it for so long. Now they know what the risk looks like.

Yeah, the blame-the-victims game never really goes out of fashion.

That doesn't fly.. Knowledge is your friend.

You're right.....knowledge is our friend.....it sure ain't yours, fecalhead.

The topic of the thread is 'global warming spawned super hurricanes', numbnuts, not ancient storms, not super-storm Sandy, not poorly considered coastal planning and development. Your denier cult tactics of distraction and diversion are well known and won't "fly".

Hurricane Patricia (Spanish pronunciation: [paˈtɾisia]) was the second-most intense tropical cyclone on record worldwide, with a minimum atmospheric pressure of 872 mbar (hPa; 25.75 inHg).[1] Originating from a sprawling disturbance near the Gulf of Tehuantepec, south of Mexico, in mid-October 2015, Patricia was first classified a tropical depression on October 20. Initial development was slow, with only modest strengthening within the first day of its classification. The system later became a tropical storm and was named Patricia, the twenty-fourth named storm of the annual hurricane season. Exceptionally favorable environmental conditions fueled explosive intensification on October 22. A well-defined eye developed within an intense central dense overcast and Patricia grew from a tropical storm to a Category 5 hurricane in just 24 hours—a near-record pace. On October 23, the hurricane achieved its record peak intensity with maximum sustained winds of 215 mph (345 km/h).[nb 1][nb 2]
This made it the most intense tropical cyclone on record in the Western Hemisphere, and the strongest globally in terms of 1-minute maximum sustained winds.

I AM blaming the victims.

You poor crackpot asswipe.

 

[Olde Europe]

Knowledge is your friend.

Sure, it's good to be on good terms with it. You should consider trying to end your hostility, though.

From your own link:

October 28–29, 2012- Hurricane Sandy, a historic storm, makes landfall near Atlantic City, New Jersey with 90 mph winds. This storm was unusual because it was a late season hurricane combined with a Nor'easter at high tide during a full moon, producing long-lasting and devastating results not seen in generations. The largest hurricane ever recorded in the Atlantic Basin, wind gusts topped 100 mph in some parts of the New York Metropolitan area. Sandy caused a record 14.41 foot storm surge at Battery Park, New York City, flooding various parts of Lower Manhattan including various tunnels and subway systems, making them inoperable for weeks. Some are still damaged. The immediate aftermath included widespread flooding, massive power outages and a system-wide disruption of mass transit service. [...] Over nine million customers were without power, including 90 percent of Long Island and most of Manhattan below 49th Street, some for several months. Many low-lying neighborhoods in NJ and NY were completely destroyed. Thousands of homes and businesses were demolished by the record storm surge.​

Here is what I said: "Hurricanes suddenly showing up in places where such is not supposed to happen, at least nothing of that magnitude." But you wouldn't read the phrase to the end, but rather chose to waste a huge pile of bandwidth on the assertion, "but, but, there were storms before", as if I had asserted such never happened. Lucky me, I did not.

I AM blaming the victims. Because I grew up on a beach and I abhor the concept of mucking with the natural dune lines and blocking out sun with buildings.

I guess we can even partly agree on the abomination that are beach-front homes "blocking out sun", or the moneyed nobility buying up shorelines precluding many from enjoying the natural landscape. That doesn't change the fact that climate change leads to weather events of increasing severity, and it's smart to be (better) prepared for that. Oh, and blaming the victim out of resentment for their living in a beach-front home is still pathetic.

 

[Decus]

Typhoon Nancy in 1961 was as strong as Hurricane Patricia.

Is there a correlation between 1961 and 2015 in terms of climate?

.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Wasn't Sandy 2012?

Sandy was Cat 1, barely a hurricane when it hit the US.

Sounded like quite an event with a sizable economic impact. I’m not sure arbitrary storm categorizations by meteorologists indicate a given universal level of destruction to all locations, but whatever. Has nothing to do with the thread’s purpose.

See that's the thing. Economic impact is NOT the same as the strength of a storm

We are more and more densely populated especially along the coasts so of course any storm will have a bigger economic impact than it would have in the past

Another example of liberal spin

 

[skookerasbil]

OH GAWD.........not this shit again!!

Every single global warming nut in here said this same thing in the months after Katrina!!

epiC fAiL

These people don't base shit on science........they take a stab and hope the weather cooperates so they can say "ahhhhhhhh haaaaaaaaaaa!!'

ghey


On hurricanes and tornado's, we heard all the bold predictions that ended up like them having 12 M-80's going off in their mouths!!

 

[Fenton Lum]

Wasn't Sandy 2012?

Sandy was Cat 1, barely a hurricane when it hit the US.

Sounded like quite an event with a sizable economic impact. I’m not sure arbitrary storm categorizations by meteorologists indicate a given universal level of destruction to all locations, but whatever. Has nothing to do with the thread’s purpose.

See that's the thing. Economic impact is NOT the same as the strength of a storm

We are more and more densely populated especially along the coasts so of course any storm will have a bigger economic impact than it would have in the past

Another example of liberal spin

Or another reason to warn citizens in potential storm impact areas to take heed and be safe. Which is all the original Obama message was all about. You're free to keep pretending whatever you like.

 

[flacaltenn]

Knowledge is your friend.

Sure, it's good to be on good terms with it. You should consider trying to end your hostility, though.

From your own link:

October 28–29, 2012- Hurricane Sandy, a historic storm, makes landfall near Atlantic City, New Jersey with 90 mph winds. This storm was unusual because it was a late season hurricane combined with a Nor'easter at high tide during a full moon, producing long-lasting and devastating results not seen in generations. The largest hurricane ever recorded in the Atlantic Basin, wind gusts topped 100 mph in some parts of the New York Metropolitan area. Sandy caused a record 14.41 foot storm surge at Battery Park, New York City, flooding various parts of Lower Manhattan including various tunnels and subway systems, making them inoperable for weeks. Some are still damaged. The immediate aftermath included widespread flooding, massive power outages and a system-wide disruption of mass transit service. [...] Over nine million customers were without power, including 90 percent of Long Island and most of Manhattan below 49th Street, some for several months. Many low-lying neighborhoods in NJ and NY were completely destroyed. Thousands of homes and businesses were demolished by the record storm surge.​

Here is what I said: "Hurricanes suddenly showing up in places where such is not supposed to happen, at least nothing of that magnitude." But you wouldn't read the phrase to the end, but rather chose to waste a huge pile of bandwidth on the assertion, "but, but, there were storms before", as if I had asserted such never happened. Lucky me, I did not.

I AM blaming the victims. Because I grew up on a beach and I abhor the concept of mucking with the natural dune lines and blocking out sun with buildings.

I guess we can even partly agree on the abomination that are beach-front homes "blocking out sun", or the moneyed nobility buying up shorelines precluding many from enjoying the natural landscape. That doesn't change the fact that climate change leads to weather events of increasing severity, and it's smart to be (better) prepared for that. Oh, and blaming the victim out of resentment for their living in a beach-front home is still pathetic.

The MAGNITUDE of Sandy was nowhere near a lot of the 19th Century storms. Wind GUSTS don't determine the category of a trop storm.. SUSTAINED winds are what determine the category of them. The fact that it was physically large is NOT a measure of intensity either. A lot of large storms are relatively weak. It DOES mean that the time to move thru is extended and gives the storm surge multiple opportunities to collide with high tides. And there was an EXCEPTIONALLY HIGH tide incurred during the storm. This is a lot of fiction and folk lore piled onto an event that has been propagandized into a GWarming poster child. The fact that you FALL for this kind of exaggeration and hype suggests that you are vulnerable to it for lack of research or knowledge...

 

[RollingThunder]

Typhoon Nancy in 1961 was as strong as Hurricane Patricia.

Nope!

This made it the most intense tropical cyclone on record in the Western Hemisphere, and the strongest globally in terms of 1-minute maximum sustained winds.

 

[Olde Europe]

Wind GUSTS don't determine the category of a trop storm.. SUSTAINED winds are what determine the category of them. The fact that it was physically large is NOT a measure of intensity either.

Good thing that I neither mis-characterized the categorization nor confused size with intensity, or is it? Does that about describe the minuscule size of the straw men you can erect and still confidently handle?

Whatever, a hurricane of that size and intensity (see how that goes?) that late in the year, traveling that far north and making landfall, is virtually unheard of, quite likely associated with the symptoms of AGW in the form of unusually high water temperatures (deniers' shrieks to the contrary notwithstanding). In combination "with a Nor'easter at high tide during a full moon" (Wiki) it proved both hard to prepare for (as it was highly unusual) and particularly damaging, to the tune of 233 deaths and an estimated $75bn. That's billion, with a "b".

The obvious lesson to take away from this (and other instances of nature's wrath) is that we better prepare for unusual and unusually severe weather events due to the changing climate, and President Obama wisely urged the population to do exactly that, as every responsible head of state should do. So, flacaltenn, since we both agree that living right at the water's edge is a dangerous proposition, what is it we're really debating here? Other than trading silly barbs over the exact definition of the term "tropical hurricane"?

 

[flacaltenn]

Wind GUSTS don't determine the category of a trop storm.. SUSTAINED winds are what determine the category of them. The fact that it was physically large is NOT a measure of intensity either.

Good thing that I neither mis-characterized the categorization nor confused size with intensity, or is it? Does that about describe the minuscule size of the straw men you can erect and still confidently handle?

Whatever, a hurricane of that size and intensity (see how that goes?) that late in the year, traveling that far north and making landfall, is virtually unheard of, quite likely associated with the symptoms of AGW in the form of unusually high water temperatures (deniers' shrieks to the contrary notwithstanding). In combination "with a Nor'easter at high tide during a full moon" (Wiki) it proved both hard to prepare for (as it was highly unusual) and particularly damaging, to the tune of an estimated $75bn. That's billion, with a "b".

The obvious lesson to take away from this (and other instances of nature's wrath) is that we better prepare for unusual and unusually severe weather events due to the changing climate, and President Obama wisely urged the population to do exactly that, as every responsible head of state should do. So, flacaltenn, since we both agree that living right at the water's edge is a dangerous proposition, what is it we're really debating here? Other than trading silly barbs over the exact definition of the term "tropical hurricane"?

Oh I agree fully that living on the East Coast requires preparation and RECOGNITION of risk. It should also advise on building in HARMONY with natural events.

There is ZERO evidence however that the Global change of 0.6degC in your lifetime had ANY part in this. In fact, you seem to have ignored MOUNTAINS of events in the Centuries before the 20th to reach that "religious belief"..