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Nice bending of history. The only similarity between "liberals" then and "liberals" now is that liberals then would be revolting against the authoritarian assholes who call themselves liberals now.The U.S. was founded by liberals.
The confederacy was formed to ensure they could maintain four million people in slavery in perpetuity
Agreed....and slavery still exists in Africa. Of course, they didn't invent slavery. That goes back as far as the human race....oddly enough, back to Africa.The first players in the supply chain were mainly African warlords. They did the capturing and delivered the survivors to the buyers. I don't know the religious preferences of the African slavers. The buyers were primarily European, so it would be safe to say they were probably Christian.As were those fellow Africans (Muslims?) who enslaved them and sold them to Dutch, Portugese and Arab (Muslim) traders, who in turn sold them to Western slave dealers.For people who don't like Muslims, their forebears sure brought a lot of them to our shores. Fifteen to thirty percent of the male slaves to the US were Muslim.
Slavery is endemic to the Muslim culture and continues to this day in some parts of their world, the Sudan for one prime example. There a healthy young male can be purchased today for about a thousand U.S. dollars.
That's a pretty good reason to not like Muslims -- and there are more.
Predominately Muslim areas weren't immune from slaver attacks. Historians know where the slaves were taken from and therefore can estimate the percentage that were likely of the Muslim faith.
Who said it was an EO? Does the President need an EO to ban Confederate and Tea Party flags at national military cemeteries and in VA hospitals?The article is bullshit! there was NO executive order! Provide the number of the order! It is a typical Right-wing lie parroted by moronsHow so? Did you read the article? FWIW, I think it will be struck down in court, but the President does have authority over government facilities. Just how much remains to be determined.well if, IF, this is true, it's a clear violation of his oath to uphold the Constitution.
Executive Orders
Read the OP link and get a clue. It helps.Ban the loser flag where? Wal Mart?
You don't think the same thing applies with Con-servatives then and Con-servatives now?Nice bending of history. The only similarity between "liberals" then and "liberals" now is that liberals then would be revolting against the authoritarian assholes who call themselves liberals now.The U.S. was founded by liberals.
The confederacy was formed to ensure they could maintain four million people in slavery in perpetuity
The human race started in Africa but the history of slavery started with the written accounts of it, or with drawings depicting it. Your ancestors are the same as Black's ancestors so what is your point?Agreed....and slavery still exists in Africa. Of course, they didn't invent slavery. That goes back as far as the human race....oddly enough, back to Africa.The first players in the supply chain were mainly African warlords. They did the capturing and delivered the survivors to the buyers. I don't know the religious preferences of the African slavers. The buyers were primarily European, so it would be safe to say they were probably Christian.As were those fellow Africans (Muslims?) who enslaved them and sold them to Dutch, Portugese and Arab (Muslim) traders, who in turn sold them to Western slave dealers.For people who don't like Muslims, their forebears sure brought a lot of them to our shores. Fifteen to thirty percent of the male slaves to the US were Muslim.
Slavery is endemic to the Muslim culture and continues to this day in some parts of their world, the Sudan for one prime example. There a healthy young male can be purchased today for about a thousand U.S. dollars.
That's a pretty good reason to not like Muslims -- and there are more.
Predominately Muslim areas weren't immune from slaver attacks. Historians know where the slaves were taken from and therefore can estimate the percentage that were likely of the Muslim faith.
Who said the president banned anything? The OP that's who. The president didn't ban anything EO or otherwise. The racist flag was banned by the National Cemetery Administration.Who said it was an EO? Does the President need an EO to ban Confederate and Tea Party flags at national military cemeteries and in VA hospitals?The article is bullshit! there was NO executive order! Provide the number of the order! It is a typical Right-wing lie parroted by moronsHow so? Did you read the article? FWIW, I think it will be struck down in court, but the President does have authority over government facilities. Just how much remains to be determined.well if, IF, this is true, it's a clear violation of his oath to uphold the Constitution.
Executive Orders
It sounds like you're saying that the American revolution was a conservative rebellion against a liberal English monarchy.Nice bending of history. The only similarity between "liberals" then and "liberals" now is that liberals then would be revolting against the authoritarian assholes who call themselves liberals now.The U.S. was founded by liberals.
The confederacy was formed to ensure they could maintain four million people in slavery in perpetuity
I do't think muslims enslaved other muslims. The assortment of different players in the slave trade makes the dialogue on who did what incredibly complex. Some Africans involved in the ST were neither Muslim or Christian…they just wanted to get rid of their captured enemies for a price. Centuries ago Black Israelis from the tribe of Dan and others migrated from Yemen and other ME locations into the African interior where they would take on the characteristics of the local populaces. But their Hebraic rituals persisted and separated them from their neighbors. (See the Lemba).The first players in the supply chain were mainly African warlords. They did the capturing and delivered the survivors to the buyers. I don't know the religious preferences of the African slavers. The buyers were primarily European, so it would be safe to say they were probably Christian.As were those fellow Africans (Muslims?) who enslaved them and sold them to Dutch, Portugese and Arab (Muslim) traders, who in turn sold them to Western slave dealers.For people who don't like Muslims, their forebears sure brought a lot of them to our shores. Fifteen to thirty percent of the male slaves to the US were Muslim.
Slavery is endemic to the Muslim culture and continues to this day in some parts of their world, the Sudan for one prime example. There a healthy young male can be purchased today for about a thousand U.S. dollars.
That's a pretty good reason to not like Muslims -- and there are more.
Predominately Muslim areas weren't immune from slaver attacks. Historians know where the slaves were taken from and therefore can estimate the percentage that were likely of the Muslim faith.
Yes I do. In fact, both Liberals and Conservatives now have more in common with Tories than our Founders. You included.You don't think the same thing applies with Con-servatives then and Con-servatives now?
No, I'm not. Try again.It sounds like you're saying that the American revolution was a conservative rebellion against a liberal English monarchy.
That's a novel point of view.
I always fascinated by a person who lies then compounds that lie with another lie. Thanks for completely ignoring my post including the link. It tells me all I have to know about your integrity, intelligence and level of racism and partisanship.Who said the president banned anything? The OP that's who. The president didn't ban anything EO or otherwise. The racist flag was banned by the National Cemetery Administration.
You think history began with writing? Interesting. IIRC, it began with the development of both agriculture and domestication of animals.The human race started in Africa but the history of slavery started with the written accounts of it, or with drawings depicting it. Your ancestors are the same as Black's ancestors so what is your point?
Then please translate: The only similarity between "liberals" then and "liberals" now is that liberals then would be revolting against the authoritarian assholes who call themselves liberals now.No, I'm not. Try again.It sounds like you're saying that the American revolution was a conservative rebellion against a liberal English monarchy.
That's a novel point of view.
Sorry, I don't speak Arabic. Perhaps this will help:Then please translate: The only similarity between "liberals" then and "liberals" now is that liberals then would be revolting against the authoritarian assholes who call themselves liberals now.
Yes I do. In fact, both Liberals and Conservatives now have more in common with Tories than our Founders. You included.You don't think the same thing applies with Con-servatives then and Con-servatives now?
Conservatives do...."Obama Bypasses Congress and Bans the Confederate Battle Flag"
No one believes this ridiculous lie.
The US government is removing, 150 years later, the battle flag of the traitors to the nation? And they have a problem with this?
It would appear losing, after causing 650,000 deaths, has a price. The confederate states of dipshittia should have thought of the consequences before starting it. They're lucky they weren't made to take down every confederate flag in 1865 and eat them.
Non issue.
It's unfortunate that our education system does not teach freedom of speech is.
If it did, we would not have posts like this.
Nobody living fought in that war.
Are you telling me I should not be allowed to fly the flags of Germany, Japan, or Italy ?
Where in the article are you prevented from flying a flag.
Yes enlighten the masses with your incredible mental presence svengali.
It was not all about slavery. Lincoln even said as much. It was a constitutional crisis. "Could the states leave the Union after ratification? Was it a binding contract?" Slavery was put into the popular history after communist Carl Sandburg wrote his biography of Lincoln.These men stood side by side and fought and died for their nation and what they felt were their constitutional rights. Guess we must ban British flag from graves in USA of those troops who died in Revolutionary War and War of 1812. Great Britain did not ban slavery until 1831. Guess British flag is a symbol of hate?The US government is removing, 150 years later, the battle flag of the traitors to the nation? And they have a problem with this?
It would appear losing, after causing 650,000 deaths, has a price. The confederate states of dipshittia should have thought of the consequences before starting it. They're lucky they weren't made to take down every confederate flag in 1865 and eat them.
Non issue.
You know, if after the civil war started the entire south had said "we don't care about slaves, here we are freeing them all right now" I would say yes they were fighting for something more noble than defending an economy built on slavery. They didn't and they weren't. Read up on how blacks fighting for the North were treated when captured by southern soldiers. Think Isis.
England or any other foreign entity is a Red Herring and not worthy of comment.
Please do not misconstrue my comment as having a pro-slavery context but I must disagree with your statement that Confederate rebels were "traitors." They were secessionists and secession is not treason unless it takes place during a war with a foreign nation. Secession is not betrayal.The US government is removing, 150 years later, the battle flag of the traitors to the nation? And they have a problem with this?
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I am not a Southerner. I'm from Brooklyn. What I learned during the time I was stationed in North Carolina is all contemporary White Southerners are not descendant from slave-owners, nor did they, or do they, benefit in any way from the practice of slavery. In fact many White Southerners were, and are, opposed to it. Some of them quite bitterly.
Someone, I don't know who, has observed that; "The South dislikes the Negro as a race but accepts him as a person, while the North accepts the Negro as a race but rejects him as a person."
They fired on a United States fort. The Confederate commanding officer that gave the command to fire on Fort Sumter was a junior officer under the command of the Union commander in Fort Sumter. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that what your enemies do. The mechanisms were in place in the democracy for them to attempt to vote their views into law, which they did up until the late 1850's. But when they weren't getting their way anymore they decided this form of government isn't for us.
