Obama bypasses Congress on DREAM Act, stops deporting young illegals

[JoeB131]

Obama only figured out how to jump on an issue and own it and at the same time poison the process. Almost everyone agrees that it's the right thing to do. Obama could have kept his trap shut and done something good, but as usual he turns a good thing into a divisive issue again. Anyone who tackles this issue publically invariably comes under attack.

It is not law and even Joe Arpaio says he would enforce it if it became law. Marco Rubio was working on such a bill and Obama hears about and rushes out and makes this announcement, an announcement he himself said several times he didn't have the authority to make.
Now the truth of it is coming out and Obama is once agaim showing he's not working with Congress, not the other way around, but you're too biased to see it.

Or I simply realize that your side, after exploiting this issue for half a decade, got outmanuvered.

Here's the problem the Crazy Right has with immigration. Their true masters WANT illegal immigration. Business wants illegals so they don't have to pay an American a fair wage.

But they also want you guys nice and angry so you don't start asking perfectly logical questions like, "Why is my pay going down when the CEO's is going up when the guy couldn't make a good decision to save his life."

Republican Role Model.

So look at the shiny thing, the distracting thing....

 

[ConservaDerrps]

The thread title should be "Obama Bypasses Republicans, Pussies on USMB Permanently Sore"

 

[beagle9]

Bailing out these mega-corporations sets a very bad precedent. Why shouldn't they gamble in the derivatives market, subprimes, and currency? If they're successful, they repeat huge profits. If they fail the tax payers have to bail them out.

In late 2008, JPMorgan Chase CEO, Jamie Dimon and a number of Wall Street Banking firms met with Paulson concerning the growing problem in the subprime mortgage market. During the meeting Dimon ask Paulson if there were any federal regulations or tools that the government could use to avert a crisis because the banks are not able to stable the situation. In 2012, Dimon appogises for Chase's in ability to manage their risks. The Chase board offers to hire an assistant CEO. The facts are all there. We just choose to ignore them. These businesses are not just too big to fail, they are too big to manage and that's pretty scary.

But would it have been worth it to NOT set that precedent?

It was worth it, but only as much as the heads that should have rolled, thus giving justice to the American people, so the question is (did enough justice come down the pipe), in order to suit the American people, and to make sure that somehow we got ourselves back on an even keel finally?

 

[Flopper]

Bailing out these mega-corporations sets a very bad precedent. Why shouldn't they gamble in the derivatives market, subprimes, and currency? If they're successful, they repeat huge profits. If they fail the tax payers have to bail them out.

In late 2008, JPMorgan Chase CEO, Jamie Dimon and a number of Wall Street Banking firms met with Paulson concerning the growing problem in the subprime mortgage market. During the meeting Dimon ask Paulson if there were any federal regulations or tools that the government could use to avert a crisis because the banks are not able to stable the situation. In 2012, Dimon appogises for Chase's in ability to manage their risks. The Chase board offers to hire an assistant CEO. The facts are all there. We just choose to ignore them. These businesses are not just too big to fail, they are too big to manage and that's pretty scary.

But would it have been worth it to NOT set that precedent?

I think if we had not bailed out the banks, the credit crises would have been worse, a lot worse and the recession a lot deeper. However, now we have set the precedent. The banks know someone will pick up the pieces if they screw up. For a business that's so inept at managing it's risk, this is a golden parachute.

 

[P@triot]

First, I'm not upset about the salary of a GM worker. I'm merely pointing out how your Communist unions extortions collapse companies, and then you little bitches cry like bitches that you don't have a job any more. A CEO didn't use union extortion to get his salary. He was offered it at the time of employment by the board. Oops - looks like someone just exposed their own hateful ignorance again.

NO, a fat rich guy was offered a lot of money by other fat rich white guys... hardly a meritocracy. Again, as I've pointed out, nothing that would ever happen in a European or Japanese company, where unions get a say in CEO's, and the average CEO compensation is only 10 times that of a line worker.

More to the point, it wasn't the unions that insisted on continuing to make gas guzzlers when the market demanded fuel efficient cars. It wasn't the unions that made decisions that paying out lawsuits was easier than recalling defective designs. That was all CEO's, and it got to the point where people started assuming Japanese meant quality.

Second, as far as "what's wrong with having a job for life, that was the norm in my dad's generation" - well thank you for showing everyone what a lazy, idiot liberal you are. In your dad's generation, it was also the "norm" to beat your wife. In his dad's generation, it was the norm to not let women work. God forbid we actually continue to evolve and get better. The business models used by your dad's generation are absolute. People have learned from the mistakes of that business model.

How has this gotten better, though? People having to work three jobs to keep a roof over their heads? So a few rich assholes can have car elevators? Somehow that isn't an improvement. Conservatives talk all about "family values", but when it comes to actually paying people decently so mothers can stay at home if they want to (I mean other than Stepford Ann Romney, of course) they are aghast.



Or that they just found it cheaper to let go long term employees because younger people will work cheaper... and that's the problem.



Um, nope. Sorry. If a pension was part of the package, they should make good on it.





Uh, no. College degree and I actually make money off my writing, thank you.

then rather than crying about it like a little bitch, why don't you start your own company and do it better? Think of the top notch talent you could attract by promosing to keep employees permanently like was "the norm in daddy's generation". But of course, that takes work and effort. It's easier to sit on a message board all day crying like a little bitch and blaming others who actually took the risk, have the tremendous pressure of running a company, and have to make tough decisions because of the idiot liberal policies that are out to hinder their efforts.

Yawn.. tiresome. Look, you can kiss their asses and sit on your knees all day waiting for them to throw you some scraps, but these people are never going to do the right thing unless the rest of us MAKE them do the right thing. In case you were asleep when the teachers were telling you why we had a labor movement to start with.

I get really tired of the worship the right has of the wealthy.. most of whom are dull and kind of useless. Tax the shit out of them and spend the money on worthy causes. We worked better as a country when the wealthy paid their fair share.

Once again, you just got destroyed. Go home now and cry to daddy about how his generation had it so much better...

Naw, my dad died at 56 becuase some shitball in a suit told him the Asbestos he was working with was totally safe and non-carcinogenic. That was back in 1981.

But your sychophancy isn't destroying anything, except maybe the country and definitely the GOP, which is quickly becoming an asterisk in history.

Joe - if I may, allow me to highlight your quotes from your last post:

"a fat rich guy was offered a lot of money by other fat rich white guys"
"nothing that would ever happen in a European company"
"So a few rich assholes can have car elevators"
"these people are never going to do the right thing unless the rest of us MAKE them do the right thing"
"I get really tired of the worship the right has of the wealthy.. most of whom are dull and kind of useless."
"Tax the shit out of them"
"some shitball in a suit"

Joe, brother, these quotes are right out of the Communist Playbook. It's time to come out of the closet brother. You are what you are. Look in the mirror, except it, and then we can have an honest conversation. Anybody who points to Socialist Europe, has a deep hatred for the wealthy and/or successful, and loves the use of force as a solution to economic problems (ie "unless the rest of us MAKE them") is, by the very definition, a Communist/Marxist/Socialist.

 

[P@triot]

First, I'm not upset about the salary of a GM worker. I'm merely pointing out how your Communist unions extortions collapse companies, and then you little bitches cry like bitches that you don't have a job any more. A CEO didn't use union extortion to get his salary. He was offered it at the time of employment by the board. Oops - looks like someone just exposed their own hateful ignorance again.

NO, a fat rich guy was offered a lot of money by other fat rich white guys... hardly a meritocracy. Again, as I've pointed out, nothing that would ever happen in a European or Japanese company, where unions get a say in CEO's, and the average CEO compensation is only 10 times that of a line worker.

More to the point, it wasn't the unions that insisted on continuing to make gas guzzlers when the market demanded fuel efficient cars. It wasn't the unions that made decisions that paying out lawsuits was easier than recalling defective designs. That was all CEO's, and it got to the point where people started assuming Japanese meant quality.

Second, as far as "what's wrong with having a job for life, that was the norm in my dad's generation" - well thank you for showing everyone what a lazy, idiot liberal you are. In your dad's generation, it was also the "norm" to beat your wife. In his dad's generation, it was the norm to not let women work. God forbid we actually continue to evolve and get better. The business models used by your dad's generation are absolute. People have learned from the mistakes of that business model.

How has this gotten better, though? People having to work three jobs to keep a roof over their heads? So a few rich assholes can have car elevators? Somehow that isn't an improvement. Conservatives talk all about "family values", but when it comes to actually paying people decently so mothers can stay at home if they want to (I mean other than Stepford Ann Romney, of course) they are aghast.



Or that they just found it cheaper to let go long term employees because younger people will work cheaper... and that's the problem.



Um, nope. Sorry. If a pension was part of the package, they should make good on it.





Uh, no. College degree and I actually make money off my writing, thank you.

then rather than crying about it like a little bitch, why don't you start your own company and do it better? Think of the top notch talent you could attract by promosing to keep employees permanently like was "the norm in daddy's generation". But of course, that takes work and effort. It's easier to sit on a message board all day crying like a little bitch and blaming others who actually took the risk, have the tremendous pressure of running a company, and have to make tough decisions because of the idiot liberal policies that are out to hinder their efforts.

Yawn.. tiresome. Look, you can kiss their asses and sit on your knees all day waiting for them to throw you some scraps, but these people are never going to do the right thing unless the rest of us MAKE them do the right thing. In case you were asleep when the teachers were telling you why we had a labor movement to start with.

I get really tired of the worship the right has of the wealthy.. most of whom are dull and kind of useless. Tax the shit out of them and spend the money on worthy causes. We worked better as a country when the wealthy paid their fair share.

Once again, you just got destroyed. Go home now and cry to daddy about how his generation had it so much better...

Naw, my dad died at 56 becuase some shitball in a suit told him the Asbestos he was working with was totally safe and non-carcinogenic. That was back in 1981.

But your sychophancy isn't destroying anything, except maybe the country and definitely the GOP, which is quickly becoming an asterisk in history.

Another thing I need to point out Joe - this quote from you is absolutley insane:

* "it wasn't the unions that insisted on continuing to make gas guzzlers when the market demanded fuel efficient cars" - probably the most ignorant comment ever posted on this site of ignorant liberal comments. The market has NEVER demanded "fuel efficient cars". As a matter of fact, even in this awful economy Obama created with the highest gas prices we have ever seen (created by Obama), the demand for gas-guzzling Hummer's is so high, Hummer owners received letters asking if they would be interested in selling their Hummers back because the dealerships can't meet the demand for Hummers now that production has ceased. I know first hand - being a proud Hummer owner, I received such a letter. More evidence that you simply do not know what you're talking about when it comes to the economy.

 

[P@triot]

First, I'm not upset about the salary of a GM worker. I'm merely pointing out how your Communist unions extortions collapse companies, and then you little bitches cry like bitches that you don't have a job any more. A CEO didn't use union extortion to get his salary. He was offered it at the time of employment by the board. Oops - looks like someone just exposed their own hateful ignorance again.

NO, a fat rich guy was offered a lot of money by other fat rich white guys... hardly a meritocracy. Again, as I've pointed out, nothing that would ever happen in a European or Japanese company, where unions get a say in CEO's, and the average CEO compensation is only 10 times that of a line worker.

More to the point, it wasn't the unions that insisted on continuing to make gas guzzlers when the market demanded fuel efficient cars. It wasn't the unions that made decisions that paying out lawsuits was easier than recalling defective designs. That was all CEO's, and it got to the point where people started assuming Japanese meant quality.

Second, as far as "what's wrong with having a job for life, that was the norm in my dad's generation" - well thank you for showing everyone what a lazy, idiot liberal you are. In your dad's generation, it was also the "norm" to beat your wife. In his dad's generation, it was the norm to not let women work. God forbid we actually continue to evolve and get better. The business models used by your dad's generation are absolute. People have learned from the mistakes of that business model.

How has this gotten better, though? People having to work three jobs to keep a roof over their heads? So a few rich assholes can have car elevators? Somehow that isn't an improvement. Conservatives talk all about "family values", but when it comes to actually paying people decently so mothers can stay at home if they want to (I mean other than Stepford Ann Romney, of course) they are aghast.



Or that they just found it cheaper to let go long term employees because younger people will work cheaper... and that's the problem.



Um, nope. Sorry. If a pension was part of the package, they should make good on it.





Uh, no. College degree and I actually make money off my writing, thank you.

then rather than crying about it like a little bitch, why don't you start your own company and do it better? Think of the top notch talent you could attract by promosing to keep employees permanently like was "the norm in daddy's generation". But of course, that takes work and effort. It's easier to sit on a message board all day crying like a little bitch and blaming others who actually took the risk, have the tremendous pressure of running a company, and have to make tough decisions because of the idiot liberal policies that are out to hinder their efforts.

Yawn.. tiresome. Look, you can kiss their asses and sit on your knees all day waiting for them to throw you some scraps, but these people are never going to do the right thing unless the rest of us MAKE them do the right thing. In case you were asleep when the teachers were telling you why we had a labor movement to start with.

I get really tired of the worship the right has of the wealthy.. most of whom are dull and kind of useless. Tax the shit out of them and spend the money on worthy causes. We worked better as a country when the wealthy paid their fair share.

Once again, you just got destroyed. Go home now and cry to daddy about how his generation had it so much better...

Naw, my dad died at 56 becuase some shitball in a suit told him the Asbestos he was working with was totally safe and non-carcinogenic. That was back in 1981.

But your sychophancy isn't destroying anything, except maybe the country and definitely the GOP, which is quickly becoming an asterisk in history.

One last thing Joe - I've keep asking every liberal here who are bitching about the "evil" and "unethical" wealthy business owners why they don't start their own company and do it better. All of them avoid the question. All you had to offer was the weak and sad "Yawn.. tiresome". "Yawn" is Communist code word for "shit, I have no response for this extremely valid point".

Buddy, just come out of the closet already. Just be honest about who you are. You are a Communist. Once you get past that, we can have real discussions about policy and philosophy.

 

[JoeB131]

Joe - if I may, allow me to highlight your quotes from your last post:

Because you can't argue the points made, you'll whine about the invective. Nice of you to conceded the point.

Joe, brother, these quotes are right out of the Communist Playbook. It's time to come out of the closet brother. You are what you are. Look in the mirror, except it, and then we can have an honest conversation. Anybody who points to Socialist Europe, has a deep hatred for the wealthy and/or successful, and loves the use of force as a solution to economic problems (ie "unless the rest of us MAKE them") is, by the very definition, a Communist/Marxist/Socialist.

Yawn. Right wingers who whine about "Communists" would declare Dwight D. Eisenhower a communist.

Yup, you Eisenhower Republicans are "Communists" if you think that working people should have protections and the rich should pay their fair share.

I have a hatred of people who do evil things. The CEO who knows that asbestos is a carcinogen, but markets it in industry anyway.

The CEO Of Ford who figures that rather than recall millions of Pintos for an $11.00 repair, just pay out the families of those killed in accidents in the "Barbeque that seats four" as we jokingly called them back in the 1970's.

I don't believe that we should or even can get rid of the wealthy. But they should pay their fair share, play by the rules, and be held accountable- JUST LIKE THE REST OF US ARE.

What a "communist" concept, eh?

 

[JoeB131]

One last thing Joe - I've keep asking every liberal here who are bitching about the "evil" and "unethical" wealthy business owners why they don't start their own company and do it better. All of them avoid the question. All you had to offer was the weak and sad "Yawn.. tiresome". "Yawn" is Communist code word for "shit, I have no response for this extremely valid point".

Buddy, just come out of the closet already. Just be honest about who you are. You are a Communist. Once you get past that, we can have real discussions about policy and philosophy.

Guy, frankly, I don't want to go through life being a douchebag.

You don't beat the Nazis by becoming a Nazi.

It isn't a valid point at all. No one should be allowed to abuse their employees. Ever. If you can't make money without being a douchebag, that's your problem.

 

[JoeB131]

Another thing I need to point out Joe - this quote from you is absolutley insane:

* "it wasn't the unions that insisted on continuing to make gas guzzlers when the market demanded fuel efficient cars" - probably the most ignorant comment ever posted on this site of ignorant liberal comments. The market has NEVER demanded "fuel efficient cars". As a matter of fact, even in this awful economy Obama created with the highest gas prices we have ever seen (created by Obama), the demand for gas-guzzling Hummer's is so high, Hummer owners received letters asking if they would be interested in selling their Hummers back because the dealerships can't meet the demand for Hummers now that production has ceased. I know first hand - being a proud Hummer owner, I received such a letter. More evidence that you simply do not know what you're talking about when it comes to the economy.

I'm sure that there are always going to be douches who want Hummers, but the fact was, the Japanese got their niche in the 1970's during the first oil shocks. There's a reason why the Auto companies stopped producing Hummers for civilian use.

 

[mudwhistle]

Joe - if I may, allow me to highlight your quotes from your last post:

Because you can't argue the points made, you'll whine about the invective. Nice of you to conceded the point.

Joe, brother, these quotes are right out of the Communist Playbook. It's time to come out of the closet brother. You are what you are. Look in the mirror, except it, and then we can have an honest conversation. Anybody who points to Socialist Europe, has a deep hatred for the wealthy and/or successful, and loves the use of force as a solution to economic problems (ie "unless the rest of us MAKE them") is, by the very definition, a Communist/Marxist/Socialist.

Yawn. Right wingers who whine about "Communists" would declare Dwight D. Eisenhower a communist.

Yup, you Eisenhower Republicans are "Communists" if you think that working people should have protections and the rich should pay their fair share.

I have a hatred of people who do evil things. The CEO who knows that asbestos is a carcinogen, but markets it in industry anyway.

The CEO Of Ford who figures that rather than recall millions of Pintos for an $11.00 repair, just pay out the families of those killed in accidents in the "Barbeque that seats four" as we jokingly called them back in the 1970's.

I don't believe that we should or even can get rid of the wealthy. But they should pay their fair share, play by the rules, and be held accountable- JUST LIKE THE REST OF US ARE.

What a "communist" concept, eh?

I'm sure your Statist handbook has tons of quotes that you use to make your case.

Scoffing at accusations of communism is a bit old. We all know that communists have evolved into something else. You're essentially a Statist. Statists believe in viewing the state as a homogeneous institution capable of using political power to force policy on a passive or resisting society. You believe in an elitist theory of power rather than a pluralist theory of power; that power is exercised by individuals and competing organisations within society. It is not pure communism which believes in the forced takeover of a country and it's representative government.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Joe - if I may, allow me to highlight your quotes from your last post:

Because you can't argue the points made, you'll whine about the invective. Nice of you to conceded the point.

Joe, brother, these quotes are right out of the Communist Playbook. It's time to come out of the closet brother. You are what you are. Look in the mirror, except it, and then we can have an honest conversation. Anybody who points to Socialist Europe, has a deep hatred for the wealthy and/or successful, and loves the use of force as a solution to economic problems (ie "unless the rest of us MAKE them") is, by the very definition, a Communist/Marxist/Socialist.

Yawn. Right wingers who whine about "Communists" would declare Dwight D. Eisenhower a communist.

Yup, you Eisenhower Republicans are "Communists" if you think that working people should have protections and the rich should pay their fair share.

I have a hatred of people who do evil things. The CEO who knows that asbestos is a carcinogen, but markets it in industry anyway.

The CEO Of Ford who figures that rather than recall millions of Pintos for an $11.00 repair, just pay out the families of those killed in accidents in the "Barbeque that seats four" as we jokingly called them back in the 1970's.

I don't believe that we should or even can get rid of the wealthy. But they should pay their fair share, play by the rules, and be held accountable- JUST LIKE THE REST OF US ARE.

What a "communist" concept, eh?

I'm sure your Statist handbook has tons of quotes that you use to make your case.

Scoffing at accusations of communism is a bit old. We all know that communists have evolved into something else. You're essentially a Statist. Statists believe in viewing the state as a homogeneous institution capable of using political power to force policy on a passive or resisting society. You believe in an elitist theory of power rather than a pluralist theory of power; that power is exercised by individuals and competing organisations within society. It is not pure communism which believes in the forced takeover of a country and it's representative government.

Statist are retread communist

 

[rightwinger]

Obamas end run around Republican opposition to the DREAM act is proving to be a master stroke. He has painted Romney into a corner, established the Republicans as the enemy to Hispanics and shown he is willing to bypass an ineffective Congress

More importantly, he is doing the right thing

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Obamas end run around Republican opposition to the DREAM act is proving to be a master stroke. He has painted Romney into a corner, established the Republicans as the enemy to Hispanics and shown he is willing to bypass an ineffective Congress

More importantly, he is doing the right thing

Why does obama want undocumented workers in America doing jobs that unemployed Americans could be doing.
Could it be that undocumented workers are not figured into the workforce data used by obama's labor department? in order to keep the unemployment numbers down?

 

[rightwinger]

Obamas end run around Republican opposition to the DREAM act is proving to be a master stroke. He has painted Romney into a corner, established the Republicans as the enemy to Hispanics and shown he is willing to bypass an ineffective Congress

More importantly, he is doing the right thing

Why does obama want undocumented workers in America doing jobs that unemployed Americans could be doing.
Could it be that undocumented workers are not figured into the workforce data used by obama's labor department? in order to keep the unemployment numbers down?

If thats the case, why should we allow immigrants at all?

Here we have people who have lived here most of their lives, are going to school, serving in the military

Sounds like they would make good citizens

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Obamas end run around Republican opposition to the DREAM act is proving to be a master stroke. He has painted Romney into a corner, established the Republicans as the enemy to Hispanics and shown he is willing to bypass an ineffective Congress

More importantly, he is doing the right thing

Why does obama want undocumented workers in America doing jobs that unemployed Americans could be doing.
Could it be that undocumented workers are not figured into the workforce data used by obama's labor department? in order to keep the unemployment numbers down?

If thats the case, why should we allow immigrants at all?

Here we have people who have lived here most of their lives, are going to school, serving in the military

Sounds like they would make good citizens

not to many people are against legal immigrants, it;s those undocumented low paid ones that most are against, with exception to those who hire them. Those who are for making ill gained profits.

 

[rightwinger]

Why does obama want undocumented workers in America doing jobs that unemployed Americans could be doing.
Could it be that undocumented workers are not figured into the workforce data used by obama's labor department? in order to keep the unemployment numbers down?

If thats the case, why should we allow immigrants at all?

Here we have people who have lived here most of their lives, are going to school, serving in the military

Sounds like they would make good citizens

not to many people are against legal immigrants, it;s those undocumented low paid ones that most are against, with exception to those who hire them. Those who are for making ill gained profits.

Well...thanks to President Obama, they will now be documented.
Hardworking kids who are going to school or in the military will not have to fear deportation. They also won't have to take low paying jobs...they might even take yours

 

[bigrebnc1775]

If thats the case, why should we allow immigrants at all?

Here we have people who have lived here most of their lives, are going to school, serving in the military

Sounds like they would make good citizens

not to many people are against legal immigrants, it;s those undocumented low paid ones that most are against, with exception to those who hire them. Those who are for making ill gained profits.

Well...thanks to President Obama, they will now be documented.
Hardworking kids who are going to school or in the military will not have to fear deportation. They also won't have to take low paying jobs...they might even take yours

and more jobs will go to non Americans in a bad economy. Yes thank you obumer

 

[rightwinger]

The ball is now in Republicans court.....how will they respond?

If Romney wins, will he reverse Obama's executive order and alienate millions of hispanics?
If Republicans take the House and Senate, will they pass legislation revoking DREAM status?
Will Republicans take the DREAM executive order to the Supreme Court?

Any way they play it....Republicans lose

 

[salem.hills]

Obamas end run around Republican opposition to the DREAM act is proving to be a master stroke. He has painted Romney into a corner, established the Republicans as the enemy to Hispanics and shown he is willing to bypass an ineffective Congress

More importantly, he is doing the right thing

Hispanics are a 65/35 - 60/40 voting block. I know the Marxists hope they can exploit this minority for the benefit of the Marxist party in the future but its never going to be more then a 65/35 vote because Hispanics are Catholic and hated working. Doesn't fit with the manipulation hopes of the left. IMO