Obama did what seven Presidents before him tried to do, and failed

[ScienceRocks]

So since Obama had to back off of single payer because the GOP was threatening mass suicide, is it now his fault that we don't have it. You realize that this circular manner of debate is one reason the GOP is failing in nation elections?

NO! usually comes back to bite you one day.

You're failing here. No Republican voted for Obamacare and it passed. How could they have forced them to drop single payer plans?

Wasn't enough democrats

 

[Yurt]

So since Obama had to back off of single payer because the GOP was threatening mass suicide, is it now his fault that we don't have it. You realize that this circular manner of debate is one reason the GOP is failing in nation elections?

NO! usually comes back to bite you one day.

your OP is a lie and you're still defending it?

why?

 

[Howey]

Julian Castro says seven presidents before Barack Obama sought universal health care | PolitiFact

He will be remembered as the President who did what many people thought was impossible. INCREDIBLE!

Including two Bushes, a Reagan and a Nixon!

 

[buckeye45_73]

Leave it to liberals to quote a castro

 

[bendog]

Well, I suspect that Obamacare will eventually be a political winner with the voters the dems have to have: the blue collar. I put up a link last week to the strange flip with the gop attracting the less educated whites, but they are declining as a % of the electorate, and there may be race component there as well.

I think the below WSJ link is correct in that the effect of Obamacare will be a "two-tier" system. However, I'm not sure what that really means, because Germany has a base insurance for the less well employed, and better and more individual choice packages for others. France is moving there. I think Sweden and Poland are either there or moving. We didn't choose the Canadian model. Further, there's an irony in the gop decrying a two tier system in that we CHOOSE to not do a damn thing while instead invading a camelshit third world country. Futher, the angst of existing docs not taking Medicaid patients is a bit of fear mongering, since part of obamacare is educating more primary care docs. Of course a lot of bright kids who wanted to go to med school to be highly paid specialists, bailed out into other careers, because they didn't want to treat the great unwashed masses.

Still, instead of expanding Medicaid, I wish we'd have just raised taxes on HC providers and Insurors to give people w/o HC tax credits to use to buy HC insurance, which would then in turn have given the providers and insurors more customers with which they could have "recaptured" their tax hikes.

Scott W. Atlas: The Coming Two-Tier Health System - WSJ.com


With the Affordable Care Act, the government has dramatically expanded its authority as final arbiter over health insurance and consequently over access to medical care. After the law's Medicaid expansion and with the population aging into Medicare eligibility, the 107 million under Medicaid or Medicare in 2013 will skyrocket to 135 million five years later, growing far faster than the ranks of the privately insured.







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Add to that centralization of power the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB), ObamaCare's group of political appointees tasked with reducing payments to doctors and hospitals. Even Howard Dean, former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, warned that "The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for Medicare and determining which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them."

The hidden truth is just around the corner—those more dependent on public insurance, mostly the poor and middle class, will have limited access to medical care. About one-third of primary-care physicians and one-fourth of specialists have already completely closed their practices to Medicaid patients. Over 52% of physicians have already limited the access that Medicare patients have to their practices, or are planning to, according to a 2012 survey by Merritt Hawkins for the Physicians Foundation. More doctors than ever already refuse Medicaid and Medicare due to inadequate payments for care, and that trend will only accelerate as government lowers reimbursements.

 

[blackhawk]

And yet few if any Democrats are running for reelection on the passing of Obamacare kind of telling.

 

[deltex1]

Julian Castro says seven presidents before Barack Obama sought universal health care | PolitiFact

He will be remembered as the President who did what many people thought was impossible. INCREDIBLE!

Real tough when you own the congress.

 

[regent]

So Republicans named it Obamacare in derision and it would be ironic if after four or five more administrations, when most of the bugs are ironed out, America will still be calling it Obamacare.

 

[bendog]

So Republicans named it Obamacare in derision and it would be ironic if after four or five more administrations, when most of the bugs are ironed out, America will still be calling it Obamacare.

Well, I'll be dead then, but I figure I'll make it through a couple of administrations with the Obamacare moniker, and I will not be tickled pink. LOL

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Julian Castro says seven presidents before Barack Obama sought universal health care | PolitiFact

He will be remembered as the President who did what many people thought was impossible. INCREDIBLE!

They failed because Americans didn't want it, Obama said to hell with what Americans wanted and shoved it down our throats anyhow.

He will be remembered as the worst President in US history.

 

[kaz]

So Republicans named it Obamacare in derision and it would be ironic if after four or five more administrations, when most of the bugs are ironed out, America will still be calling it Obamacare.

Lower benefits, more restricted access to health care and we're paying more for it. Those aren't bugs to be "ironed out," that's a mistake to be repealed.

 

[Stephanie]

Politifact needs to gives themselves a frikken liar of the year award, just like they gave to the Dear Leader they are now lying for

Everyone had access to health care in this country, be it welfare, medicare , health clinics where you pay on your earning, etc etc..

that site isn't to be taken seriously anymore

what Obama and his comrades pulled the wool over the peoples eyes with was some fascist insurance scam and the majority of the people have said, HELL NO

 

[Skull Pilot]

Obamacare is not universal health care.

It's the forced purchase of private health insurance.

 

[CaféAuLait]

Seriously? The article even says it pushing it to go past three or maybe even four... And the statement is rated as "mostly true". Half a truthful statement is now mostly true?

 

[Stephanie]

Is there any media that isn't in the back pockets of the DNC?

Just lies after lies propaganda...they'd put Pravda to shame

 

[Iceweasel]

Is there any media that isn't in the back pockets of the DNC?

FOX and talk radio. That's why the left hates them so much. If they could outlaw them they would.

 

[The Rabbi]

Julian Castro says seven presidents before Barack Obama sought universal health care | PolitiFact

He will be remembered as the President who did what many people thought was impossible. INCREDIBLE!

And here I thought Democrats in Congress passed legislation.
/fail.

 

[The Rabbi]

So Republicans named it Obamacare in derision and it would be ironic if after four or five more administrations, when most of the bugs are ironed out, America will still be calling it Obamacare.

Lower benefits, more restricted access to health care and we're paying more for it. Those aren't bugs to be "ironed out," that's a mistake to be repealed.

The history of every scheme like this is exploding costs and rationed care. Every single time. This turd won't last four or five administrations. Either it will be repealed or the country will go broke over it.

 

[JimH52]

And yet few if any Democrats are running for reelection on the passing of Obamacare kind of telling.

Just wait a couple more months.

 

[JimH52]

Seriously? The article even says it pushing it to go past three or maybe even four... And the statement is rated as "mostly true". Half a truthful statement is now mostly true?

Including a couple of Republicans...huh?