Obama directly responsible for Oregon shooting

[NYcarbineer]

The only purpose of threads like these are to get crazy Obama bashing thread titles on the front page.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Plan B thread was:

Obama Uses Bogus Russian Terror list in Gun Grab Ploy

 

[Redfish]

What kind of sick fucking piece of shit are you?

So you want Feds to arrest 87,000 people because the Russians told you so...

This is not like Bush being told guys are learning how to fly and not land, how about you answer that first...

But he was a self admitted conservative and republican... Maybe Obama should just arrest them, that's a list too...

A few boys in germany in 1930s had a list too...

I think they're trying to say that we should let Russia decide who can or can't own a gun in America.

no idiot, but when a foreign government gives us information about potential terrorists we should check into it, not ignore it.

Maybe you should try reading something other than nutty websites.

Can you prove that what they said is false? If not, wake up and smell reality.

 

[Redfish]

The point is that this guy and the boston bombers were identified to our government as potential terrorists who might act. Those warnings were ignored in both cases and americans died.

its either gross incompetence, or something much worse.

On the other hand, if the source of these suspected terrorists lists is at all questionable we don't want Washington acting upon it, after all it would not be good for innocent people to get targeted by the Feds just because some nimrods placed them on a list (that crap already happens far too often anyways).

the russians also warned us about the boston bombers.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that also on a big long list of people? In other words it wasn't a call from the Russians saying "hey watch out for these two guys" it was more like here's X thousands of people you need to watch because we think they might be up to something. For all you know YOU might have been on that list ......I just want to make sure that the morons in Washington don't go off on a tangent and wreck the lives of innocent citizens just because some foreign source gives them a list of names.

No one is saying that everyone on the list should be arrested and thrown into Gitmo. But the govt should be monitoring the people on the list, watching where they travel, etc. If they had done that the boston bombers might have been stopped and the oregon shooter might not have been free to buy guns and kill innocents.

I see your point but that would mean that the Federal Government would potentially be "monitoring" innocent citizens which is not only unconstitutional but also could lead to innocents getting wrongly penalized. Would you want to be "monitored" by the Federal Government simply because the Russians said you were a threat? The fourth amendment dictates that the Feds get a warrant before they start "monitoring" citizens and I don't think any court worth it's salt is going to (or should) issue a warrant on a foreign sources say so, especially when we're talking about tens of thousands of people.

The patriot act already allows that, and such monitoring has saved american lives. Don't worry, they arenot watching you as you look at porn sites 20 hours per day.

 

[Redfish]

Nice Cretin Gigging Pool you got here, Redfish.......

then prove them wrong. go for it.

 

[Redfish]

The only purpose of threads like these are to get crazy Obama bashing thread titles on the front page.

Wrong, the purpose is to confront you mind dead libtards with the truth about your failed messiah.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What kind of sick fucking piece of shit are you?

So you want Feds to arrest 87,000 people because the Russians told you so...

This is not like Bush being told guys are learning how to fly and not land, how about you answer that first...

But he was a self admitted conservative and republican... Maybe Obama should just arrest them, that's a list too...

A few boys in germany in 1930s had a list too...

I think they're trying to say that we should let Russia decide who can or can't own a gun in America.

no idiot, but when a foreign government gives us information about potential terrorists we should check into it, not ignore it.

Maybe you should try reading something other than nutty websites.

Can you prove that what they said is false? If not, wake up and smell reality.

I don't have to because no credible evidence is offered that it's true.

 

[Redfish]

What kind of sick fucking piece of shit are you?

So you want Feds to arrest 87,000 people because the Russians told you so...

This is not like Bush being told guys are learning how to fly and not land, how about you answer that first...

But he was a self admitted conservative and republican... Maybe Obama should just arrest them, that's a list too...

A few boys in germany in 1930s had a list too...

I think they're trying to say that we should let Russia decide who can or can't own a gun in America.

no idiot, but when a foreign government gives us information about potential terrorists we should check into it, not ignore it.

Maybe you should try reading something other than nutty websites.

Can you prove that what they said is false? If not, wake up and smell reality.

I don't have to because no credible evidence is offered that it's true.

dead people are not credible evidence? only in the mind of a libtardian

 

[NightFox]

On the other hand, if the source of these suspected terrorists lists is at all questionable we don't want Washington acting upon it, after all it would not be good for innocent people to get targeted by the Feds just because some nimrods placed them on a list (that crap already happens far too often anyways).

the russians also warned us about the boston bombers.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that also on a big long list of people? In other words it wasn't a call from the Russians saying "hey watch out for these two guys" it was more like here's X thousands of people you need to watch because we think they might be up to something. For all you know YOU might have been on that list ......I just want to make sure that the morons in Washington don't go off on a tangent and wreck the lives of innocent citizens just because some foreign source gives them a list of names.

No one is saying that everyone on the list should be arrested and thrown into Gitmo. But the govt should be monitoring the people on the list, watching where they travel, etc. If they had done that the boston bombers might have been stopped and the oregon shooter might not have been free to buy guns and kill innocents.

I see your point but that would mean that the Federal Government would potentially be "monitoring" innocent citizens which is not only unconstitutional but also could lead to innocents getting wrongly penalized. Would you want to be "monitored" by the Federal Government simply because the Russians said you were a threat? The fourth amendment dictates that the Feds get a warrant before they start "monitoring" citizens and I don't think any court worth it's salt is going to (or should) issue a warrant on a foreign sources say so, especially when we're talking about tens of thousands of people.

The patriot act already allows that, and such monitoring has saved american lives.

The Patriot Act? You mean that Constitution shredding piece of authoritarian nonsense that allows for the Feds to violate the rights of the citizenry whenever it feels like it? You can claim that such "monitoring" has "saved American lives" but there is no evidence of that since you cannot prove that without it XYZ would have happened and resulted in X number of lives being lost, not to mention that saving lives isn't a justification for the creation of a police state.

Don't worry, they arenot watching you as you look at porn sites 20 hours per day.

Yes well, I see that you have devolved into offering up baseless insults which generally means that you have no effective counter argument, so I'll bid you a good day and leave you to your own devices.

 

[Redfish]

the russians also warned us about the boston bombers.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that also on a big long list of people? In other words it wasn't a call from the Russians saying "hey watch out for these two guys" it was more like here's X thousands of people you need to watch because we think they might be up to something. For all you know YOU might have been on that list ......I just want to make sure that the morons in Washington don't go off on a tangent and wreck the lives of innocent citizens just because some foreign source gives them a list of names.

No one is saying that everyone on the list should be arrested and thrown into Gitmo. But the govt should be monitoring the people on the list, watching where they travel, etc. If they had done that the boston bombers might have been stopped and the oregon shooter might not have been free to buy guns and kill innocents.

I see your point but that would mean that the Federal Government would potentially be "monitoring" innocent citizens which is not only unconstitutional but also could lead to innocents getting wrongly penalized. Would you want to be "monitored" by the Federal Government simply because the Russians said you were a threat? The fourth amendment dictates that the Feds get a warrant before they start "monitoring" citizens and I don't think any court worth it's salt is going to (or should) issue a warrant on a foreign sources say so, especially when we're talking about tens of thousands of people.

The patriot act already allows that, and such monitoring has saved american lives.

The Patriot Act? You mean that Constitution shredding piece of authoritarian nonsense that allows for the Feds to violate the rights of the citizenry whenever it feels like it? You can claim that such "monitoring" has "saved American lives" but there is no evidence of that since you cannot prove that without it XYZ would have happened and resulted in X number of lives being lost, not to mention that saving lives isn't a justification for the creation of a police state.

Don't worry, they arenot watching you as you look at porn sites 20 hours per day.

Yes well, I see that you have devolved into offering up baseless insults which generally means that you have no effective counter argument, so I'll bid you a good day and leave you to your own devices.

your concession of defeat is accepted.

 

[Obiwan]

What kind of sick fucking piece of shit are you?

So you want Feds to arrest 87,000 people because the Russians told you so...

This is not like Bush being told guys are learning how to fly and not land, how about you answer that first...

But he was a self admitted conservative and republican... Maybe Obama should just arrest them, that's a list too...

A few boys in germany in 1930s had a list too...

I think they're trying to say that we should let Russia decide who can or can't own a gun in America.

no idiot, but when a foreign government gives us information about potential terrorists we should check into it, not ignore it.

Maybe you should try reading something other than nutty websites.

Can you prove that what they said is false? If not, wake up and smell reality.

I don't have to because no credible evidence is offered that it's true.

Then check out all the links on just this one page...
"The List", Obama Voter Fraud

 

[Stephanie]

Read it and weep, libs and obamabots

Oregon Mass Shooter On Terror List Obama Refused To Take From Russia | EUTimes.net

I heard that he was responsible for the Cold War, and Vietnam, and the Civil War too.

what, didn't you all blame that on Reagan? you don't believe it then whatever

 

[CowboyTed]

Ok, libs where did you run off to? no answer to the OP? Truth too much for you to deal with? can't accept that your messiah the great obozo lied to you again?

Look at your source you jackass...

European Union Times - RationalWiki

The European Union Times claims to be a news site. Its articles on Barack Obama have been linked from a few Libertarian Tea Party blogs, presumably pleased to find what is apparently a news site that supports some of their views. It even has lots of mainstream advertising served by ContextWeb! Eminently respectable to all appearances.

Upon closer inspection, however, it is little more than a compiler and regurgitator of various news stories and a particularly unpleasant far-right-leaning blog. The reporting is, without exception, shockingly unprofessional. Do not be fooled by the nice WordPress theme — this is utter neo-Nazi bollocks.

 

[CowboyTed]

What kind of sick fucking piece of shit are you?

So you want Feds to arrest 87,000 people because the Russians told you so...

This is not like Bush being told guys are learning how to fly and not land, how about you answer that first...

But he was a self admitted conservative and republican... Maybe Obama should just arrest them, that's a list too...

A few boys in germany in 1930s had a list too...

Did you read the article? Do you think our govt is smart to ignore terrorist warnings no matter where they come from? The boston bombers were also identified by the russians, and those warnings were also ignored.

Are you so far up obama's ass that you cannot see reality?

So you are going to arrest people on Russia's say so...

Seriously!!!
Are you saying 87,000 people should be arrested?

 

[rightwinger]

Read it and weep, libs and obamabots

Oregon Mass Shooter On Terror List Obama Refused To Take From Russia | EUTimes.net

He was a Republican too

Obama should have taken away his guns

 

[Obiwan]

Read it and weep, libs and obamabots

Oregon Mass Shooter On Terror List Obama Refused To Take From Russia | EUTimes.net

He was a Republican too

Obama should have taken away his guns

Liar...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What kind of sick fucking piece of shit are you?

So you want Feds to arrest 87,000 people because the Russians told you so...

This is not like Bush being told guys are learning how to fly and not land, how about you answer that first...

But he was a self admitted conservative and republican... Maybe Obama should just arrest them, that's a list too...

A few boys in germany in 1930s had a list too...

A conservative.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

There are some pretty alarming claims made in that article. Our government changed the killers profile after the killings???

Do you doubt it? Propaganda is the major product of the current administration.

I am a bit skeptical yes. I think any rational person would have a degree of skepticism. I need more proof.

How many dead americans would constitute proof for you?

What kind of dumbass question is that? Proof would be documentation of his profile as it existed BEFORE it was changed. And that shouldn't be hard to secure or expose since if it WAS changed that means someone had access to it BEFORE it was changed. Simply stating that it was changed does not make it factual.

The point is that this guy and the boston bombers were identified to our government as potential terrorists who might act. Those warnings were ignored in both cases and americans died.

its either gross incompetence, or something much worse.

No, it's further confirmation of the fact that you and most others on the right are partisan hacks and liars.

It's also further confirmation that most on the right are indeed reprehensible, to attempt to exploit the tragedy in Oregon for some perceived political gain.

 

[rightwinger]

Mother black, father white?

he and Obama could have been brothers

Guy was Republican.......black sheep of the family

No wonder he went bad

 

[Rotagilla]

What kind of sick fucking piece of shit are you?

So you want Feds to arrest 87,000 people because the Russians told you so...

This is not like Bush being told guys are learning how to fly and not land, how about you answer that first...

But he was a self admitted conservative and republican... Maybe Obama should just arrest them, that's a list too...

A few boys in germany in 1930s had a list too...

Did you read the article? Do you think our govt is smart to ignore terrorist warnings no matter where they come from? The boston bombers were also identified by the russians, and those warnings were also ignored.

Are you so far up obama's ass that you cannot see reality?

So you are going to arrest people on Russia's say so...

Seriously!!!
Are you saying 87,000 people should be arrested?

for the second time...LMAO..you get shut down and then come back later and post the same thing as if nothing happened...

no one said to arrest anyone..let alone 80,000...russia never suggested we arrest anyone..that distortion is only coming from you..
when a foreign nation warns you that there are dangerous people on a watch list that have entered your country...you should..WATCH them....you hyperpartisan obstructionists are pretty comical..you twist yourself into all kinds of distorted shapes to prop up your party.....instead of working to make america better...