OBAMA Does anyone really believe a word he says anymore?

Bush didn't lie about WMDs. He acted on information given to him and the information was accurate. Saddam DID have WMDs, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to USE THEM on Iran and the Kurds. The reason they found no WMDs is because Saddam had a YEAR to get rid of them.
If you had a kilo of cocaine in your house, and the cops called and told you they were gonna raid your house next week, would you leave the coke in your house or would you stash it at a friend's house?

Yeah "Go get me info that says this, then I'll act on it"

In fact, the information that was at hand was that they didn't know that Saddam had WMD. The claims of WMD were much greater than they actually found. If "intelligence" services were claiming things that were simply not true, why? Maybe because Bush wanted to go into Iraq.

WMDs were the excuse, oil was the reason.

Yes, Saddam had chemical weapons and he used them, just like the US did in say, Vietnam.

Yeah, you'd move the material, but where did he move it to? Which friends did he have? And why could the intelligence people not find that out? Oh, wait, the intelligence services were known, at the time, to be pretty weak and not know that much.
Go get me the info that says this.
 
Go get me the info that says this.

Are you demanding intelligence data that is probably classified?

CIA confirms Bush lied about WMDs

"On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior IA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam’s inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again. Nor was the intelligence included in the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002, which stated categorically that Iraq possessed WMD."

Why the Intelligence Failed in Iraq - Bloomberg View

"Remember the debate about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction? It’s back for an encore, thanks to Senator Richard Durbin of Illinois, who remarked at a hearing recently that whatever went wrong in the Obama administration’s handling of the Benghazi disaster, it wasn’t as bad as the Bush administration’s insistence that those weapons existed."

President Bush Admits Iraq Had No WMDs and 'Nothing' to Do With 9/11 | Democracy Now!

"Now, look, I didn’t — part of the reason we went into Iraq was — the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn’t, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction."

When he said "we thought he had" WMDs, if Saddam didn't, how could intelligence think he did? Doesn't add up, unless someone was lying to him. Either intelligence was lying, Bush lied knowing that people couldn't actually tell him he was wrong on classified documents they would see for a long time, or Bush told intelligence to lie.

"You know, I’ve heard this theory about, you know, everything was just fine until we arrived, and then, you know, kind of that we’re going to stir up the hornet’s nest theory. It just — just doesn’t hold water, as far as I’m concerned. The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East.
REPORTER: What did Iraq have to do with that?
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: What did Iraq have to do with what?
REPORTER: The attack on the World Trade Center?
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Nothing, except for it’s part of — and nobody has ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a — Iraq — the lesson of September the 11th is, take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody has ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq."

So, asked what Iraq had to do with 9/11 Bush said "nothing", and yet he claimed that Saddam had links to al Qaeda, when he knew they didn't. Why did he try and make links if he knew there were know links? This is a clear lie, and done because he wanted to attack Iraq. Well, if it were just about the WMDs he wouldn't have needed to try and make a link between Saddam and al Qaeda, would he?

He said he wanted to get rid of threats before they materialised, yet intelligence had no intelligence that Saddam was making, or had WMDs. What threat was there from Iraq? This is a country that had invaded Kuwait, not the US.


Why is it that Iraq, Libya, Iran and Venezuela, the four OPEC countries that didn't like the US, were the 4 countries seen as a threat to the USA?

It's pretty obvious why.
 
Bush didn't lie about WMDs. He acted on information given to him and the information was accurate. Saddam DID have WMDs, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to USE THEM on Iran and the Kurds. The reason they found no WMDs is because Saddam had a YEAR to get rid of them.
If you had a kilo of cocaine in your house, and the cops called and told you they were gonna raid your house next week, would you leave the coke in your house or would you stash it at a friend's house?


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/03/us/politics/03rumsfeld.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

WASHINGTON — Just 15 days after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, President George W. Bush invited his defense secretary, Donald H. Rumsfeld, to meet with him alone in the Oval Office. According to Mr. Rumsfeld’s new memoir, the president leaned back in his leather chair and ordered a review and revision of war plans — but not for Afghanistan, where the Qaeda attacks on New York and Washington had been planned and where American retaliation was imminent.

“He asked that I take a look at the shape of our military plans on Iraq,” Mr. Rumsfeld writes.

“Two weeks after the worst terrorist attack in our nation’s history, those of us in the Department of Defense were fully occupied,” Mr. Rumsfeld recalls. But the president insisted on new military plans for Iraq, Mr. Rumsfeld writes. “He wanted the options to be ‘creative.’ ”
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U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

Press Release of Intelligence Committee
-- Two Bipartisan Reports Detail Administration Misstatements on Prewar Iraq Intelligence, and Inappropriate Intelligence Activities by Pentagon Policy Office --

“In making the case for war, the Administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent. As a result, the American people were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than actually existed.”

“It is my belief that the Bush Administration was fixated on Iraq, and used the 9/11 attacks by al Qa’ida as justification for overthrowing Saddam Hussein. To accomplish this, top Administration officials made repeated statements that falsely linked Iraq and al Qa’ida as a single threat and insinuated that Iraq played a role in 9/11. Sadly, the Bush Administration led the nation into war under false pretenses..."



"...The Committee’s report cites several conclusions in which the Administration’s public statements were NOT supported by the intelligence. They include:



Ø Statements and implications by the President and Secretary of State suggesting that Iraq and al-Qa’ida had a partnership, or that Iraq had provided al-Qa’ida with weapons training, were not substantiated by the intelligence.



Ø Statements by the President and the Vice President indicating that Saddam Hussein was prepared to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups for attacks against the United States were contradicted by available intelligence information.



Ø Statements by President Bush and Vice President Cheney regarding the postwar situation in Iraq, in terms of the political, security, and economic, did not reflect the concerns and uncertainties expressed in the intelligence products.



Ø Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq’s chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence community’s uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing.



Ø The Secretary of Defense’s statement that the Iraqi government operated underground WMD facilities that were not vulnerable to conventional airstrikes because they were underground and deeply buried was not substantiated by available intelligence information.


Ø The Intelligence Community did not confirm that Muhammad Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001 as the Vice President repeatedly claimed..."
 
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The last full speech I listened of Obama was back in 2008 when he said that he is "willing to meet with leaders of Iran, Syria, Cuba, Venezuela to bridge the gap" - I KNEW then he was lying about it and I did not listen to him ever since. only sound bites if someone else quotes him on youtube...

So, when Bush said Iraq had WMDs you clearly stopped listening to him too, because clearly he was lying.

Or is this just that you're willing to believe anything the right say, and dismiss anything the left say? Seeing as you haven't listened to anything since 2008, how can you say everything he says is a lie? You wouldn't know if that were the case.

Being promised over 40 times that we could keep our policies and doctors--on video--is way too much for anyone to take.

You know John Kerry our current Secretary of State, was the chairman of the Senate intelligence committee at the time of the invasion of Iraq--and he too was convinced that Sadam Husien had WMD along with 97% of the democrats in congress who also voted to go into Iraq. You know "he voted for it, before he voted against it--ha.ha."

On the other hand not one single Republican voted for Obamacare they were even blocked from attending committee hearings on it. And that's the difference.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCUpJDzyRnY]"If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan." Barack Obama Supercut - YouTube[/ame]


So how can anyone possibly believe anything he says now?
 
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In Iraqi General's Sada's book, he points out where the nuclear material was taken, It was to the Chinese built Nuclear sight that was being built in Syria, of which Israel bombed the shit out of killing hundreds, if not more of Chinese engineers, back in Oct. 2007.

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I make special note that Israel bombed Iraq's nuclear plant back in 1981 and faced mass condemnation at the U.N. for it's act, but had NO condemnation at the U.N. or anywhere else when it took out Syria's plant!
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwqh4wQPoQk]Democrats on Iraq + WMD's (Weapons of Mass Destruction) - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVZlLBchVE]Democrats Hypocrisy Over The Iraq War - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JE48XHKG64]Gore criticizes Bush for ignoring Iraq's ties to terrorism - YouTube[/ame]
 
Boosh lied. MANY died- and still are...turned 100 Al Qaeda criminals into hundreds of thousands of jihadists, Pub dupes...he and Cheney were MORONS. Great job regulating the real estate market too...lol arrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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So Pubs lie non-top...I'm stunned, hater dupes.

The problems were the "mushroom clouds'' that were total BS DUH...Vive la France!

:badgrin::badgrin::badgrin:...Perfect example of subversive thinking!...There isn't any!
WTF is that supposed to mean, hater dupe- I don't listen to Hannity or Beck or whatever part of the Pub propaganda machine that turned your brain to mush lol...:cuckoo::eusa_liar::eusa_whistle:
 
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Being promised over 40 times that we could keep our policies and doctors--on video--is way too much for anyone to take.

You know John Kerry our current Secretary of State, was the chairman of the Senate intelligence committee at the time of the invasion of Iraq--and he too was convinced that Sadam Husien had WMD along with 97% of the democrats in congress who also voted to go into Iraq. You know "he voted for it, before he voted against it--ha.ha."

On the other hand not one single Republican voted for Obamacare they were even blocked from attending committee hearings on it. And that's the difference.

So how can anyone possibly believe anything he says now?

So.... what is the point here?

That Bush didn't lie because Kerry believed him? Or Bush didn't lie because democrats voted with him?
 
Being promised over 40 times that we could keep our policies and doctors--on video--is way too much for anyone to take.

You know John Kerry our current Secretary of State, was the chairman of the Senate intelligence committee at the time of the invasion of Iraq--and he too was convinced that Sadam Husien had WMD along with 97% of the democrats in congress who also voted to go into Iraq. You know "he voted for it, before he voted against it--ha.ha."

On the other hand not one single Republican voted for Obamacare they were even blocked from attending committee hearings on it. And that's the difference.

So how can anyone possibly believe anything he says now?

So.... what is the point here?

That Bush didn't lie because Kerry believed him? Or Bush didn't lie because democrats voted with him?

The point is what is the lie that Bush told.
 
Bush didn't lie about WMDs. He acted on information given to him and the information was accurate. Saddam DID have WMDs, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to USE THEM on Iran and the Kurds. The reason they found no WMDs is because Saddam had a YEAR to get rid of them.
If you had a kilo of cocaine in your house, and the cops called and told you they were gonna raid your house next week, would you leave the coke in your house or would you stash it at a friend's house?

Yeah "Go get me info that says this, then I'll act on it"

In fact, the information that was at hand was that they didn't know that Saddam had WMD. The claims of WMD were much greater than they actually found. If "intelligence" services were claiming things that were simply not true, why? Maybe because Bush wanted to go into Iraq.

WMDs were the excuse, oil was the reason.

Yes, Saddam had chemical weapons and he used them, just like the US did in say, Vietnam.

Yeah, you'd move the material, but where did he move it to? Which friends did he have? And why could the intelligence people not find that out? Oh, wait, the intelligence services were known, at the time, to be pretty weak and not know that much.

What chemical weapons did the US use in Vietnam?
 
The point is what is the lie that Bush told.

The point is Bush lied about WMD.

This isn't a case of whether they found WMD later on or not. At the point when he said there was WMD, he DIDN'T KNOW what the situation was.

CNN.com - Woodward: Tenet told Bush WMD case a 'slam dunk' - Apr 19, 2004

"The book also reports that in the summer of 2002, $700 million was diverted from a congressional appropriation for the war in Afghanistan to develop a war plan for Iraq.

Woodward suggests the diversion may have been illegal, and that Congress was deliberately kept in the dark about what had been done."

So why was Bush keeping Congress in the dark?

"In the book, Woodward reports that on November 21, 2001 -- about three months after the September 11 attacks and shortly after the Taliban regime crumbled in Afghanistan -- Bush took Rumsfeld aside, ordered him to develop a war plan for Iraq and told him to keep it secret"

Bush wanted to go to war. He got his guys to find a way.

"As the war planning progressed, on December 21, 2002, Tenet and his top deputy, John McLaughlin, went to the White House to brief Bush and Cheney on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, Woodward reports."

Clearly going to war came BEFORE caring about WMDs, caring about an al Qaeda-Saddam link.

"She urged him to act on his stated threat to take military action if Saddam did not provide a full accounting of his weapons of mass destruction, Woodward reports."

So, all of this was about deceiving, about getting what you want and about presenting it in a way that allows you to get what you want. It's not about concern for WMDs or the people of Iraq.

He used the situation of 9/11 and tried to connect Saddam with al Qaeda.

Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship (washingtonpost.com)

"Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship "

""The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda: because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," Bush said after a Cabinet meeting. As evidence, he cited Iraqi intelligence officers' meeting with bin Laden in Sudan. "There's numerous contacts between the two," Bush said."

"The finding of the commission's staff led Bush's Democratic challenger, Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), to escalate his accusations that Bush deceived both the Senate and the American public about the rationale for war in Iraq. "The president owes the American people a fundamental explanation about why he rushed to war for a purpose that it now turns out is not supported by the facts," Kerry told reporters at the Detroit airport. "That is the finding of this commission.""

"In challenging the commission's finding, Bush and his aides argued that their previous assertions about the ties between Iraq and the terrorist organization were justified by the contacts that occurred."

So, basically intelligence was told to find a connection. They found one thing, which appears to say that some people met each other, and they didn't know WHAT was said and what happened, but hell, this "intelligence" was enough for Bush.

"While not explicitly declaring Iraqi culpability in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, administration officials did, at various times, imply a link. In late 2001, Cheney said it was "pretty well confirmed" that attack mastermind Mohamed Atta had met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official. Later, Cheney called Iraq the "geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

Bush, in 2003, said "the battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001.""

The Iraq War in Quotes

"11/01/2002, George W. Bush, President
"... for the sake of protecting our friends and allies, the United States will lead a mighty coalition of freedom-loving nations and disarm Saddam Hussein. See, I can't imagine what was going through the mind of this enemy when they hit us. They probably thought the national religion was materialism, that we were so selfish and so self-absorbed that after 9/11/2001 this mighty nation would take a couple of steps back and file a lawsuit."

Here's a pretty weird one. He can't imagine what was going through the mind of "this enemy" when it attacked the US, er.... what does this have to do with Saddam?

"02/08/2003, George W. Bush, President
"We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner. This network runs a poison and explosive training camp in northeast Iraq, and many of its leaders are known to be in Baghdad.""

They knew this huh?

"09/17/2003, George W. Bush, President
Q: Mr. President, Dr. Rice and Secretary Rumsfeld both said yesterday that they have seen no evidence that Iraq had anything to do with September 11th. THE PRESIDENT: "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11th."'

"03/31/2005, President's Commission on WMD
We conclude that the Intelligence Community was dead wrong in almost all of its pre-war judgments about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. —Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction"

No lies huh? Well either Bush was incredibly stupid, and lied, or he was getting what he wanted, by lying. Your choice I guess.
 
The point is what is the lie that Bush told.

The point is Bush lied about WMD.

This isn't a case of whether they found WMD later on or not. At the point when he said there was WMD, he DIDN'T KNOW what the situation was.

CNN.com - Woodward: Tenet told Bush WMD case a 'slam dunk' - Apr 19, 2004

"The book also reports that in the summer of 2002, $700 million was diverted from a congressional appropriation for the war in Afghanistan to develop a war plan for Iraq.

Woodward suggests the diversion may have been illegal, and that Congress was deliberately kept in the dark about what had been done."

So why was Bush keeping Congress in the dark?

"In the book, Woodward reports that on November 21, 2001 -- about three months after the September 11 attacks and shortly after the Taliban regime crumbled in Afghanistan -- Bush took Rumsfeld aside, ordered him to develop a war plan for Iraq and told him to keep it secret"

Bush wanted to go to war. He got his guys to find a way.

"As the war planning progressed, on December 21, 2002, Tenet and his top deputy, John McLaughlin, went to the White House to brief Bush and Cheney on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, Woodward reports."

Clearly going to war came BEFORE caring about WMDs, caring about an al Qaeda-Saddam link.

"She urged him to act on his stated threat to take military action if Saddam did not provide a full accounting of his weapons of mass destruction, Woodward reports."

So, all of this was about deceiving, about getting what you want and about presenting it in a way that allows you to get what you want. It's not about concern for WMDs or the people of Iraq.

He used the situation of 9/11 and tried to connect Saddam with al Qaeda.

Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship (washingtonpost.com)

"Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship "

""The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda: because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," Bush said after a Cabinet meeting. As evidence, he cited Iraqi intelligence officers' meeting with bin Laden in Sudan. "There's numerous contacts between the two," Bush said."

"The finding of the commission's staff led Bush's Democratic challenger, Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), to escalate his accusations that Bush deceived both the Senate and the American public about the rationale for war in Iraq. "The president owes the American people a fundamental explanation about why he rushed to war for a purpose that it now turns out is not supported by the facts," Kerry told reporters at the Detroit airport. "That is the finding of this commission.""

"In challenging the commission's finding, Bush and his aides argued that their previous assertions about the ties between Iraq and the terrorist organization were justified by the contacts that occurred."

So, basically intelligence was told to find a connection. They found one thing, which appears to say that some people met each other, and they didn't know WHAT was said and what happened, but hell, this "intelligence" was enough for Bush.

"While not explicitly declaring Iraqi culpability in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, administration officials did, at various times, imply a link. In late 2001, Cheney said it was "pretty well confirmed" that attack mastermind Mohamed Atta had met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official. Later, Cheney called Iraq the "geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

Bush, in 2003, said "the battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001.""

The Iraq War in Quotes

"11/01/2002, George W. Bush, President
"... for the sake of protecting our friends and allies, the United States will lead a mighty coalition of freedom-loving nations and disarm Saddam Hussein. See, I can't imagine what was going through the mind of this enemy when they hit us. They probably thought the national religion was materialism, that we were so selfish and so self-absorbed that after 9/11/2001 this mighty nation would take a couple of steps back and file a lawsuit."

Here's a pretty weird one. He can't imagine what was going through the mind of "this enemy" when it attacked the US, er.... what does this have to do with Saddam?

"02/08/2003, George W. Bush, President
"We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner. This network runs a poison and explosive training camp in northeast Iraq, and many of its leaders are known to be in Baghdad.""

They knew this huh?

"09/17/2003, George W. Bush, President
Q: Mr. President, Dr. Rice and Secretary Rumsfeld both said yesterday that they have seen no evidence that Iraq had anything to do with September 11th. THE PRESIDENT: "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11th."'

"03/31/2005, President's Commission on WMD
We conclude that the Intelligence Community was dead wrong in almost all of its pre-war judgments about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. —Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction"

No lies huh? Well either Bush was incredibly stupid, and lied, or he was getting what he wanted, by lying. Your choice I guess.

Good Lord! Dumb is everywhere on the left!

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334#.U0fiT9-etc8

The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aunacceptable sourceid its nuclear ambitions.

What's now left is the final and complicated push to clean up the remaining radioactive debris at the former Tuwaitha nuclear complex about 12 miles south of Baghdad — using teams that include Iraqi experts recently trained in the Chernobyl fallout zone in Ukraine.
"Everyone is very happy to have this safely out of Iraq," said a senior U.S. official who outlined the nearly three-month operation to The Associated Press. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment.

The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium producer, Cameco Corp., in a transaction the official described as worth "tens of millions of dollars." A Cameco spokesman, Lyle Krahn, declined to discuss the price, but said the yellowcake will be processed at facilities in Ontario for use in energy-producing reactors.

"We are pleased ... that we have taken (the yellowcake) from a volatile region into a stable area to produce clean electricity," he said.
 

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