Obama to seek congress approval

[dilloduck]

With an election coming up, polls showing the people want NO part of this? Obama is ripe for picking. The MEDIA had better get wise as well.

This will not be good for Obama or the media that to date that has been licking their chops at another conflict for readership.

THEY are on the wrong side.

If the vote is close to authorize war, there will be enough democrats to pass it. The whole thing is rigged, and Obama will exert every (underhanded) measure needed to get his way. Obama is too savvy and untouched to lose like that.

There's no need at all to do anything but let them vote.

Trajan's post above illustrates why.

You don't think anti war people ( and there are a lot of em) are going to be watching very closely ?

 

[Sallow]

Obama is just looking for a way out. He's a poor excuse for a president, he always has been..He'll shift the responsibility to congress so he can blame them when he doesn't do anyting..I personally don't think we should get involved at this point, but Obama looks like the weak, pathetic, little man that he is..Now go play some golf Obama do us all a favor and stay there

If that were the case he could have done one of two things.

Authorized surgical strikes without congressional approval. And be done.

Went with one of the many ridiculous stories out there about "rebels using the weapons" or "rogue general", absolve Assad and be done.

In either case, not much would have happened.

 

[deltex1]

actually my friends this is one of those moments political junky’s live for, the game is truly afoot.........they are all, all right now calculating the up and downsides…some I thought of;

Vote no

- assad uses gas again, you will be made to look like accessories to murder, Obama will certainly make that case , not quite in those terms if it’s the dems how are instrumental in voting it down - unless it’s the gop that tips the scales , then murderers, if it’s the dems, they will be classified as intent on making sure we didn’t get dragged into a war and there just wasn’t enough evidence, whatcha ya going to do? Right? But make no mistake, he’ll do his damndest to lay it on them if its basically an equal no vote from both parties.

- it is learned that assad did NOT use the gas, the rebels did, congress is a hero( except the yes votes they naturally get hammered as warmongers, the gopers naturally) , Obama, using supreme wisdom and circumspection, hero too.

- Obama attacks anyway, crushing victory in that we get all of the wmd stockpiles, they get back to killing each other using kinetic munitions etc. Obama saves woman and kids form ghastly deaths….

-Obama attacks anyway and its basically ineffectual, assad uses gas again, no real upside here, he’ll be seen as indecisive, ineffectual and the vote may be seen as a smoke screen that cost precious time as it allowed assad to move the gas etc…..he will try and lay it off on congress anyway, blaming them for pressuring him for a vote etc., singling out the gopers who were the loudest.


Vote yes-

-Obama sends in strikes that do little, and assad uses gas again ( and it causes say , Russia to give SA-300 the latest n anti aircraft batteries, to assad or Iran) hes on the spot for flubbing/ mismanaging it . Making them vote, since he had authority anyway, look just like an ass covering move as he will no doubt try and lay blame on congress for saying yes and the ‘fortunes of war’.

-obama attacks, resounding victory, assad wmds eliminated, air force eliminated, rebels attack with renewed vigor…Obama and congress, heros. The no votes get pilloried as nancys…..



imho opinion, the smart play-is Yes.

Very astute.

Couldn't have posted it better myself.

Its not that simple as "yes".....it has to be yes to aggressive complete attack....not much chance of that.

 

[J.E.D]

Now when the shit backfires , he will blame Congress , the old cover your ass Obama tactic

If he doesn't seek congressional approval he's an unconstitutional dictator; if he does seek congressional approval, he's only looking out for himself.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Nothing to see here, folks. Just more hypocritical bullshit from the USMB Wingnut Brigade.

you are correct about one thing, obozo has backed himself into a box with no excape route. thats what idiots do, and obama is a idiot.

That's not what I said. Nice try though.

What Obama did was put the decision into the hands of Congress. You know, the same Congress that you guys always claim he ignores or oversteps.

 

[Sallow]

If the vote is close to authorize war, there will be enough democrats to pass it. The whole thing is rigged, and Obama will exert every (underhanded) measure needed to get his way. Obama is too savvy and untouched to lose like that.

There's no need at all to do anything but let them vote.

Trajan's post above illustrates why.

You don't think anti war people ( and there are a lot of em) are going to be watching very closely ?

Of course they are..

Bottom line is the US ALREADY screwed the pooch on this issue during the Iraq/Iran war.

This is a chance for Redemption.

 

[Sallow]

actually my friends this is one of those moments political junky’s live for, the game is truly afoot.........they are all, all right now calculating the up and downsides…some I thought of;

Vote no

- assad uses gas again, you will be made to look like accessories to murder, Obama will certainly make that case , not quite in those terms if it’s the dems how are instrumental in voting it down - unless it’s the gop that tips the scales , then murderers, if it’s the dems, they will be classified as intent on making sure we didn’t get dragged into a war and there just wasn’t enough evidence, whatcha ya going to do? Right? But make no mistake, he’ll do his damndest to lay it on them if its basically an equal no vote from both parties.

- it is learned that assad did NOT use the gas, the rebels did, congress is a hero( except the yes votes they naturally get hammered as warmongers, the gopers naturally) , Obama, using supreme wisdom and circumspection, hero too.

- Obama attacks anyway, crushing victory in that we get all of the wmd stockpiles, they get back to killing each other using kinetic munitions etc. Obama saves woman and kids form ghastly deaths….

-Obama attacks anyway and its basically ineffectual, assad uses gas again, no real upside here, he’ll be seen as indecisive, ineffectual and the vote may be seen as a smoke screen that cost precious time as it allowed assad to move the gas etc…..he will try and lay it off on congress anyway, blaming them for pressuring him for a vote etc., singling out the gopers who were the loudest.


Vote yes-

-Obama sends in strikes that do little, and assad uses gas again ( and it causes say , Russia to give SA-300 the latest n anti aircraft batteries, to assad or Iran) hes on the spot for flubbing/ mismanaging it . Making them vote, since he had authority anyway, look just like an ass covering move as he will no doubt try and lay blame on congress for saying yes and the ‘fortunes of war’.

-obama attacks, resounding victory, assad wmds eliminated, air force eliminated, rebels attack with renewed vigor…Obama and congress, heros. The no votes get pilloried as nancys…..



imho opinion, the smart play-is Yes.

Very astute.

Couldn't have posted it better myself.

Its not that simple as "yes".....it has to be yes to aggressive complete attack....not much chance of that.

Obama's never advocated for sending ground troops nor would any be needed.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama says he has decided that the United States should take military action against Syria in response to a deadly chemical weapons attack.

But he says he will seek congressional authorization for the use of force.

He says congressional leadership plans to hold a debate and a vote as soon as Congress comes back in September.

Obama says he has the authority to act on his own, but believes it is important for the country to have a debate.

Military action would be in response to a chemical weapons attack the U.S. says Syrian President Bashar Assad's government carried out against civilians. The U.S. says more than 1,400 Syrians were killed in that attack last week.

That motherfucking TYRANT!!!!!! Impeach the fucking bastard for using the proper channels!

^ look at the trained seal clapping.

Face reality will ya, ya hapless sycophantic Obama salad tosser.

Obumbler only now seeks Congressional approval to give himself cover.

If they say "no," he will bow to the will of Congress to later blame them if things get shitty because we don't bomb some sites in Syria.

If they say ok, he will proceed but use Congressional approval as cover should bombing sites in Syria turn out shitty.

Why didn't the clusterfuck in chief seek Congressional approval in the first damn place?

 

[boedicca]

Congress didn't make Obama draw The Red Line that backed him into the corner.

 

[deltex1]

Very astute.

Couldn't have posted it better myself.

Its not that simple as "yes".....it has to be yes to aggressive complete attack....not much chance of that.

Obama's never advocated for sending ground troops nor would any be needed.

I am not advocating ground troops...just a robust air attack along the line General Keene advocates. Kill his Air Force/runways. Deplete armor and artillery...even future odds so diplomatic solution becomes more inevitable...if that is possible in the ME.

 

[Jroc]

Obama is just looking for a way out. He's a poor excuse for a president, he always has been..He'll shift the responsibility to congress so he can blame them when he doesn't do anyting..I personally don't think we should get involved at this point, but Obama looks like the weak, pathetic, little man that he is..Now go play some golf Obama do us all a favor and stay there

If that were the case he could have done one of two things.

Authorized surgical strikes without congressional approval. And be done.

Went with one of the many ridiculous stories out there about "rebels using the weapons" or "rogue general", absolve Assad and be done.

In either case, not much would have happened.

You don't seem to realize everything this guy does is politics, because that all he is. He's no leader, he's no president, he's a joke. and now everyone can see it. of course the emotional Obama lovers can't or refuse to see anything. "present" What a joke he is

 

[Sallow]

Its not that simple as "yes".....it has to be yes to aggressive complete attack....not much chance of that.

Obama's never advocated for sending ground troops nor would any be needed.

I am not advocating ground troops...just a robust air attack along the line General Keene advocates. Kill his Air Force/runways. Deplete armor and artillery...even future odds so diplomatic solution becomes more inevitable...if that is possible in the ME.

That's probably exactly what would happen.

Think Balkans.

 

[Sallow]

Obama is just looking for a way out. He's a poor excuse for a president, he always has been..He'll shift the responsibility to congress so he can blame them when he doesn't do anyting..I personally don't think we should get involved at this point, but Obama looks like the weak, pathetic, little man that he is..Now go play some golf Obama do us all a favor and stay there

If that were the case he could have done one of two things.

Authorized surgical strikes without congressional approval. And be done.

Went with one of the many ridiculous stories out there about "rebels using the weapons" or "rogue general", absolve Assad and be done.

In either case, not much would have happened.

You don't seem to realize everything this guy does is politics, because that all he is. He's no leader, he's no president, he's a joke. and now everyone can see it. of course the emotional Obama lovers can't or refuse to see anything. "present" What a joke he is

No idea what you are talking about.

Every President of the United States considers politics when making a decision, with 2 possible exceptions, Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford.

 

[boedicca]

Its not that simple as "yes".....it has to be yes to aggressive complete attack....not much chance of that.

Obama's never advocated for sending ground troops nor would any be needed.

I am not advocating ground troops...just a robust air attack along the line General Keene advocates. Kill his Air Force/runways. Deplete armor and artillery...even future odds so diplomatic solution becomes more inevitable...if that is possible in the ME.

For what purpose? Are we trying to force a regime change? Some of the insurgents in Syria are Al Qaeda - do you really want to side with them?

We need to have a better understanding of the various factions and possible outcomes before intervening. If this is just a humanitarian issue, then why aren't we trying to save people in Darfur (and much of Africa), North Korea, and Coptic Christians?

 

[Trajan]

Its not that simple as "yes".....it has to be yes to aggressive complete attack....not much chance of that.

Obama's never advocated for sending ground troops nor would any be needed.

I am not advocating ground troops...just a robust air attack along the line General Keene advocates. Kill his Air Force/runways. Deplete armor and artillery...even future odds so diplomatic solution becomes more inevitable...if that is possible in the ME.

yes that what we need to do.

now, what will putin do, in response?

 

[Trajan]

Obama's never advocated for sending ground troops nor would any be needed.

I am not advocating ground troops...just a robust air attack along the line General Keene advocates. Kill his Air Force/runways. Deplete armor and artillery...even future odds so diplomatic solution becomes more inevitable...if that is possible in the ME.

For what purpose? Are we trying to force a regime change? Some of the insurgents in Syria are Al Qaeda - do you really want to side with them?

We need to have a better understanding of the various factions and possible outcomes before intervening. If this is just a humanitarian issue, then why aren't we trying to save people in Darfur (and much of Africa), North Korea, and Coptic Christians?

no regime change, I doubt we could get to him and, if we did, that would open a can of worms, the one we opened when we told putin we weren't going to do that in Libya....

 

[dilloduck]

Obama's never advocated for sending ground troops nor would any be needed.

I am not advocating ground troops...just a robust air attack along the line General Keene advocates. Kill his Air Force/runways. Deplete armor and artillery...even future odds so diplomatic solution becomes more inevitable...if that is possible in the ME.

For what purpose? Are we trying to force a regime change? Some of the insurgents in Syria are Al Qaeda - do you really want to side with them?

We need to have a better understanding of the various factions and possible outcomes before intervening. If this is just a humanitarian issue, then why aren't we trying to save people in Darfur (and much of Africa), North Korea, and Coptic Christians?

This is a long and boring clip by an ex member of the Syrian National Council. About half way through she is asked about some of these issues. Her answers are disturbingly vague. It sounds hopey changey.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGv15FL12tw]Bassma Kodmani on the Syrian Uprising - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Great fun watching all the peaceniks now gone war happy now that they have the trigger....

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I don't think he's seeking approval. I think he's looking for a way out of the mess he made. Realized he was alone in his opinion and is looking for an excuse to no follow through with his threat.

 

[Mac1958]

I don't think he's seeking approval. I think he's looking for a way out of the mess he made. Realized he was alone in his opinion and is looking for an excuse to no follow through with his threat.

Hey Gramps, it's been a while.

This, after the "red line" comment he no doubt wishes he could take back, is as close as he can get to voting "present".

I bet it works.

.

 

[toastman]

Some would like to deceive themselves into thinking the desires of the American people who do not want a war in Syria do not matter. I am watching a massive American Anti War Campaign be birthed in my nation and it is awesome to behold. What Irony, the roles played by Institutions like moveon.org, town hall meetings organized by Quakers and Anti War groups. This Israeli plan to get the US to attack Syria is going to back fire big time against Israel. Americans are tired of fighting wars for Israel, killing innocent civilians in the ME for Israel. ENOUGH is Enough!

" Israeli Plan? " lol Have news for you. Israel doesn't give a hoot about what is going on there. Instead of bringing Israel into the conversation why not condemn Assad? Are you telling us its a lie ? If the same were reported in the West Bank you would believe it then Arab killing Arab. No indignation ; Pro Palestinian Mentality

No matter what the issue is, as long as it involves war and the Middle East, the pro - Palestinian will try to blame Israel. It;s called ...well you know what it's called already