Obama to Urge UN to Break up Israel

[Coyote]

Funny, now Nation Building is back and cheered since Obama. Remember with Bush they wailed we can't be the policemen of the WORLD. We shouldn't be meddling in other countries.

it's just amazing to watch the instant turn around from them.

What "nation building" are you talking about? We've been involved in the peace process and committed to a 2-state solution through many administrations. The only thing that's changed is Netanyahu's rejection of a Palestinian state.

there is no change.....he still rejects a Palestinian state run by Hamas....

Oh?

That's not what he said. Of course who the hell knows what he is saying he's flipped flopped so much. We may be in for another flip...or flop.

Bennett to Benjamin Netanyahu No coalition without pledge to rule out Palestinian state - Israel News - Jerusalem Post

Naftali Bennett, the head of the religious-Zionist Bayit Yehudi Party, will condition his entry into Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition on an explicit commitment from the premier that his government will rule out the creation of a Palestinian state, Channel 2 is reporting on Friday.

As the political parties prepare for coalition talks this coming week, the religious-Zionist leader will reportedly seek specific language in government guidelines effectively precluding the establishment of a Palestinian state prior to his party's entry into the coalition.

Following his re-election this week, Netanyahu reaffirmed his support for a two-state solution, though he added that circumstances in the region did not permit the establishment of a Palestinian state at this juncture.

The premier's campaign disavowal of his support for a Palestinian state has prompted the Obama administration to "reassess" its options regarding the Middle East peace process, with some observers believing that the US could end its policy of automatic support for Israel at the UN Security Council.

exactly what was the flip or flop...?

Can't tell...the guy's flipping and flopping too much.

 

[Theowl32]

Fucking liberals still thinking Israel is guilty of genocide.

This just in. Liberals lie about EVERYTHING. No exceptions.

Everything. Fucking hypocrites

 

[bendog]

Does anyone really think the UN can force Israel to do anything?

In theory or in reality? In theory, sanctions could be applied that probably could change some behavior. But in fact, that's not going to happen because the US will never allow it.

What may happen is the US may allow the UN to recognize a "state" of Israel. After that, it's maybe possible that IF the Palestinians (and Iran and even the sunni states) satisfy some of Israel's very real and legitimate concerns about stuff like Hamas running the place, then if Israel would still refuse the establishment of a Palestinian state, some future potus might not block the UN from sanctioning Israel.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Funny, now Nation Building is back and cheered since Obama. Remember with Bush they wailed we can't be the policemen of the WORLD. We shouldn't be meddling in other countries.

it's just amazing to watch the instant turn around from them.

What "nation building" are you talking about? We've been involved in the peace process and committed to a 2-state solution through many administrations. The only thing that's changed is Netanyahu's rejection of a Palestinian state.

there is no change.....he still rejects a Palestinian state run by Hamas....

Oh?

That's not what he said. Of course who the hell knows what he is saying he's flipped flopped so much. We may be in for another flip...or flop.

Bennett to Benjamin Netanyahu No coalition without pledge to rule out Palestinian state - Israel News - Jerusalem Post

Naftali Bennett, the head of the religious-Zionist Bayit Yehudi Party, will condition his entry into Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition on an explicit commitment from the premier that his government will rule out the creation of a Palestinian state, Channel 2 is reporting on Friday.

As the political parties prepare for coalition talks this coming week, the religious-Zionist leader will reportedly seek specific language in government guidelines effectively precluding the establishment of a Palestinian state prior to his party's entry into the coalition.

Following his re-election this week, Netanyahu reaffirmed his support for a two-state solution, though he added that circumstances in the region did not permit the establishment of a Palestinian state at this juncture.

The premier's campaign disavowal of his support for a Palestinian state has prompted the Obama administration to "reassess" its options regarding the Middle East peace process, with some observers believing that the US could end its policy of automatic support for Israel at the UN Security Council.

exactly what was the flip or flop...?

Can't tell...the guy's flipping and flopping too much.

like most lefties you can't tell much...

 

[Theowl32]

Fucking left wing morons do. They are so fucking dumb, they actually think muslims only want a two state system. Yes, they are truly that stupid.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Does anyone really think the UN can force Israel to do anything?

In theory or in reality? In theory, sanctions could be applied that probably could change some behavior. But in fact, that's not going to happen because the US will never allow it.

What may happen is the US may allow the UN to recognize a "state" of Israel. After that, it's maybe possible that IF the Palestinians (and Iran and even the sunni states) satisfy some of Israel's very real and legitimate concerns about stuff like Hamas running the place, then if Israel would still refuse the establishment of a Palestinian state, some future potus might not block the UN from sanctioning Israel.

All true.
Of course, any consideration of sanctions must include Israel's realistic reactions - in contrast to the intended reactions - to same.

 

[Kondor3]

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...The OP title is a lie. The Occupied Territories are not part of Israel (according to the Israeli court rulings). No one is urging anyone to break up Israel.

The West Bank and Gaza are destined to become part of Israel, and that fairly soon, as history measures time.

The annexation of the West Bank and Gaza, and resettling those regions with Jews after the Muslims have been expelled to Jordan et al, is not far off.

Going back to the 1967 borders means Death-by-a-Thousand-Cuts for Israel; not immediate, but ultimately lethal.

That said, there is no other option than to complete the Reconquista of Eregtz Yisrael.

In for a penny, in for a pound.

We're not talking about futuristic speculation...we're talking about reality. No one is breaking up Israel.

Going back to the 1967 borders won't fly, I agree - but it IS a starting point for negotiations and swaps. Israel has the weight of international law and precedent against it in this and unless it wants to end up a pariah like Russia with it's annexing and expansionism into Ukraine...it might want to seriously rethink it's position. It has increasingly less and less support for it's policies.

The Jews have been pariahs throughout virtually the entire 2,000 -year-long Diaspora.

I don't think temporary 'pariah status' will bother them overly much, and that will not weigh very heavily against the possibility of annihilation.

It's about time they stop pulling the "annihilation card" at every turn to justify their actions.

That would be great, and I'm sure that they would be the first to agree.

If it wasn't such a likely prospect.

 

[Coyote]

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...The OP title is a lie. The Occupied Territories are not part of Israel (according to the Israeli court rulings). No one is urging anyone to break up Israel.

The West Bank and Gaza are destined to become part of Israel, and that fairly soon, as history measures time.

The annexation of the West Bank and Gaza, and resettling those regions with Jews after the Muslims have been expelled to Jordan et al, is not far off.

Going back to the 1967 borders means Death-by-a-Thousand-Cuts for Israel; not immediate, but ultimately lethal.

That said, there is no other option than to complete the Reconquista of Eregtz Yisrael.

In for a penny, in for a pound.

We're not talking about futuristic speculation...we're talking about reality. No one is breaking up Israel.

Going back to the 1967 borders won't fly, I agree - but it IS a starting point for negotiations and swaps. Israel has the weight of international law and precedent against it in this and unless it wants to end up a pariah like Russia with it's annexing and expansionism into Ukraine...it might want to seriously rethink it's position. It has increasingly less and less support for it's policies.

The Jews have been pariahs throughout virtually the entire 2,000 -year-long Diaspora.

I don't think temporary 'pariah status' will bother them overly much, and that will not weigh very heavily against the possibility of annihilation.

It's about time they stop pulling the "annihilation card" at every turn to justify their actions.

That would be great, and I'm sure that they would be the first to agree.

If it wasn't such a likely prospect.

It's not.

 

[bendog]

Some do some don't. Jordan certainly does not want Israel to go away leaving a Pale state dominated by Hamas. Israel was never in favor of overthrowing Assad.

But, so long as Likud blocks any chance of a two state solution, only those favoring a one state solution are players. And that includes Iran and Hamas.

 

[Kondor3]

...Ethnic cleansing is a war crime. And Israel's supreme court has already ruled its criminal even by Israeli law.

 

[bendog]

Does anyone really think the UN can force Israel to do anything?

In theory or in reality? In theory, sanctions could be applied that probably could change some behavior. But in fact, that's not going to happen because the US will never allow it.

What may happen is the US may allow the UN to recognize a "state" of Israel. After that, it's maybe possible that IF the Palestinians (and Iran and even the sunni states) satisfy some of Israel's very real and legitimate concerns about stuff like Hamas running the place, then if Israel would still refuse the establishment of a Palestinian state, some future potus might not block the UN from sanctioning Israel.

All true.
Of course, any consideration of sanctions must include Israel's realistic reactions - in contrast to the intended reactions - to same.

Any thought of real sanctions against Israel is not just purely hypothetical, but it would be based on various muslim and Persian groups behaving very differently than they do now, and would be years or decades down the road.

 

[Kondor3]

...If it wasn't such a likely prospect.

It's not.

Tomatoe, tomato...

Potatoe, potato...

Yes it is...

No it isn't...

We see this differently...

Most Israel supporters perceive that if they weaken or let the Arabs get the upper hand, then Israel is dead...

Not gonna happen.

 

[Skylar]

...Ethnic cleansing is a war crime. And Israel's supreme court has already ruled its criminal even by Israeli law.

Committing an atrocity isn't like getting a parking ticket. Just an FYI.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The UN made Israel, in case some of you have forgotten.

 

[Kondor3]

...Ethnic cleansing is a war crime. And Israel's supreme court has already ruled its criminal even by Israeli law.

Committing an atrocity isn't like getting a parking ticket. Just an FYI.

Lining-up artillery hub-to-hub along the northern border of Gaza, and slowing crawling it down the length of Gaza, north to south, and dropping fuel-air bombs on civilian population centers, and slaughtering every Arab man, woman and child that doesn't run south to get out of the way... now that would be an atrocity... and no worse than what the Palestinians have sworn to do to the Jews of Israel - promising to drown them in the Med - but the Jews are far more human than their adversaries.

Kicking the nasty Pals out, and putting their feet on the road, and providing humanitarian assistance along the way, until they're safe-and-sound and still alive, on the other side of the border? Not so much. Other than scale, not much different than a sheriff evicting homeowners after foreclosure sales, but, atrocity? De jure? Perhaps. De facto? Nope.

Hell, the Israelis would probably even gladly serve-up some wergeld and start-over money for the refugees.

And nobody is going to stop the Israelis if-and-when they proceed to this next logical and inevitable step.

There is no Arab cavalry coming over the hill this time.

If it's a choice between booting-out the Neanderthal Palestinians, and survival, I'm guessing the Jews will choose survival.

The Palestinians will eventually be re-absorbed back into the surrounding countryside.

 

[AmericanFirst]

So, since Obama and his goons couldn't put in a pro Muslim leader in Israel, he's going to the UN now in hopes they can force a deal between Palestine and Israel

Anyone who thinks Obama is not pro Arab is completely beyond hope

-Geaux
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The White House hoped a new Israeli prime minister would resume peace talks with the Palestinians. With Netanyahu holding on, the administration is weighing a turn to the U.N. to help force a deal.

After years of blocking U.N. efforts to pressure Israelis and Palestinians into accepting a lasting two-state solution, the United States is edging closer toward supporting a U.N. Security Council resolution that would call for the resumption of political talks to conclude a final peace settlement, according to Western diplomats.

From Tel Aviv to Turtle Bay Foreign Policy

Proves obuthole to be an idiot.

 

[AmericanFirst]

The UN made Israel, in case some of you have forgotten.

No, God did idiot.

 

[squeeze berry]

At some point, the zionists are either going to have to have a two-state solution, or they are going to have to live in a state where Jews are in the minority.

But they can't go on being an apartheid state forever.

Um, why not? And says who?

-Geaux

The American tax payer.

Check out the 18 to 29 year old age group on this chart. Eventually, when they are in control of this nation and paying the bulk of the taxes, I think they won't pay for apartheid anymore. Already the millennials I listen to think it is a war crime. Do you pay attention to what is going on at the Universities?

looks like the higher educated would agree and the older as well.

Remember, the millennials will age too

 

[NYcarbineer]

The UN made Israel, in case some of you have forgotten.

No, God did idiot.

Prove there's a God.

 

[NYcarbineer]

...Ethnic cleansing is a war crime. And Israel's supreme court has already ruled its criminal even by Israeli law.

Committing an atrocity isn't like getting a parking ticket. Just an FYI.

Lining-up artillery hub-to-hub along the northern border of Gaza, and slowing crawling it down the length of Gaza, north to south, and dropping fuel-air bombs on civilian population centers, and slaughtering every Arab man, woman and child that doesn't run south to get out of the way... now that would be an atrocity... and no worse than what the Palestinians have sworn to do to the Jews of Israel - promising to drown them in the Med - but the Jews are far more human than their adversaries.

Kicking the nasty Pals out, and putting their feet on the road, and providing humanitarian assistance along the way, until they're safe-and-sound and still alive, on the other side of the border? Not so much. Other than scale, not much different than a sheriff evicting homeowners after foreclosure sales, but, atrocity? De jure? Perhaps. De facto? Nope.

Hell, the Israelis would probably even gladly serve-up some wergeld and start-over money for the refugees.

And nobody is going to stop the Israelis if-and-when they proceed to this next logical and inevitable step.

There is no Arab cavalry coming over the hill this time.

If it's a choice between booting-out the Neanderthal Palestinians, and survival, I'm guessing the Jews will choose survival.

The Palestinians will eventually be re-absorbed back into the surrounding countryside.

lol, you sound like Hitler talking about the Jews.

Priceless.