ObamaCare Is Going To Burn The GOP To The Ground

[LordBrownTrout]

Speaking of things burning down....has anyone in the media even noticed that O'Bummer's house of cards spontaneously combusted when the very first would-be user tried to use the much-vaunted, ever-so-helpful website?

This is govt inefficiency to the finest. Spend 640 million on a website that doesn't even work.

 

[jasonnfree]

This is simply one more step towards our becoming the North American equivalent of Greece. One more entitlement we can't pay for that pushes us one step closer to another credit downgrade and one step closer to the time when people won't buy our debt.

The Democratic Party can ride this "wave" all the way to it's eventual destination. The only question then is whether we have the ability to come back from the fiscal Armageddon we're headed for and how many generations of Americans will have to languish in the process.

Pat yourselves on the back, Progressives...

So we can afford going into Iraq and bailing out the banks with no strings attached but when it comes to trying to have national health care like countries poorer tha us, we can't afford it.

 

[Plasmaball]

Obamacare will burn america to the ground.

i didnt know Obamacare had fire powers.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

This is simply one more step towards our becoming the North American equivalent of Greece. One more entitlement we can't pay for that pushes us one step closer to another credit downgrade and one step closer to the time when people won't buy our debt.

The Democratic Party can ride this "wave" all the way to it's eventual destination. The only question then is whether we have the ability to come back from the fiscal Armageddon we're headed for and how many generations of Americans will have to languish in the process.

Pat yourselves on the back, Progressives...

So we can afford going into Iraq and bailing out the banks with no strings attached but when it comes to trying to have national health care like countries poorer tha us, we can't afford it.

Against all that you mentioned along with the stimulus. We can't/couldn't afford any of that.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Obamacare will burn america to the ground.

i didnt know Obamacare had fire powers.

It's in there. Keep reading....use some deductive logic.

 

[Desperado]

Boehner and the rest of the Republicans create a new CR that funds the country 100% but they should demand the ObamaCare be implimented 100% today. No exemptions! No exemptions for Business, No exemptions for Congress, No exemptions for Unions or anybody else. 100% implementation for everybody If Obama does that he can have his CR. Give him what he wants plus more. This would be a win win for Republicans and a no-win position for Obama. Obama would have go along knowing the system will be a disaster for the Dems for the 2014 elections or he would have to explain fighting against his own Bill.

 

[Plasmaball]

Obamacare will burn america to the ground.

i didnt know Obamacare had fire powers.

It's in there. Keep reading....use some deductive logic.

how did they gain these powers? and why not water or flight?

 

[Interpol]

Hear me out.

Our healthcare infrastructure is a Rube Goldberg hodgepodge of antiquated and slapdash pieces cadged together into a cartoonish mockery. For decades, the system has been dysfunctional and the result has been a rise in healthcare costs which has far outpaced inflation.

This is why Clinton tried to socialize medicine in the 90s, and this is why ObamaCare exists today. In between, when the GOP completely dominated all three branches of government, they did nothing about the problem. Nothing at all, except to glue on a massive and expensive new Goldbergian device (Medicare Part D) to buy the votes of seniors. I guess they were too busy doubling the national debt to bother with fixing healthcare.

When faced with a choice between the GOP's answer to the problem ("we aren't going to do fuck-all about it") and the Democratic Party's answer to the problem ("we are going let the government take it over"), the people decided time and again in the past few years that the Democrat's "something" was superior to the GOP's "nothing".

Even now, the GOP's answer is to offer nothing and to fight ObamaCare tooth and nail.

Well, here's the thing: ObamaCare offers federal subsidies for people earning less than 400 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) who buy their insurance through an exchange.

Quite a few red states are doing all they can to prevent their citizens from accessing these subsidies. This is a HUGE tactical error on their part.

When the citizens of a red state see the citizens of a neighboring state are getting actual dollars from the federal government to pay for their health insurance, and they see their own state government is keeping that cash away from their own hands, they are going to rise up in giant hordes and throw the bums out on their asses. They are going to turn all those red state legislatures into blue state legislatures.

And then those blue legislatures are going to redraw their Congressional district lines.

Here is another thing: Five years after RomneyCare was implemented in Massachusetts, 74 percent of the citizens polled said they wanted to keep RomneyCare around. A significant percentage (about half) said they wanted some changes made to it, but they did not want it repealed.

This is a very, very bad indicator for the GOP. Once ObamaCare gets off the ground, which it is in the process of doing right now, the people are going to find great favor with it, and anyone who stands in the way who has nothing else to offer is going to get steamrolled.

Ask around. Ask people what the GOP's plan for healthcare reform is. You will get nothing but shrugs. You will hear, "Repeal ObamaCare." But when you press for the GOP's plan to fix our broken system, you will get bupkis.

And that is why ObamaCare exists, and why it will succeed, and why the GOP is on the losing side.

The GOP fucked up. Big time. They were completely outgamed.

I mostly agree with what you're saying except that the government doesn't actually control or administer health care, as you say.

That's a total myth and I don't know why so many Americans go along with it.

Insurance is still in the free market and so are healthcare providers.

It's a free market system, and it will always get more expensive because that's how the free market works. All these Republicans these days still complaining about rising costs don't seem to understand the basic nature of capitalism. It isn't to make healthcare cheaper; it's to make a profit from illness.

The only way Republicans could take the issue back is to pass Universal Healthcare. So what if Obama got everyone insurance if you can say that you got everybody FREE healthcare!

 

[Steven_R]

This is simply one more step towards our becoming the North American equivalent of Greece. One more entitlement we can't pay for that pushes us one step closer to another credit downgrade and one step closer to the time when people won't buy our debt.

The Democratic Party can ride this "wave" all the way to it's eventual destination. The only question then is whether we have the ability to come back from the fiscal Armageddon we're headed for and how many generations of Americans will have to languish in the process.

Pat yourselves on the back, Progressives...

So we can afford going into Iraq and bailing out the banks with no strings attached but when it comes to trying to have national health care like countries poorer tha us, we can't afford it.

We can't afford it. We couldn't afford the bailout or the war either or Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid. I don't know if you've been paying attention, but we've been writing bad checks for a while now.

This isn't a Democrat fault or a Republican fault. Both parties made this happen. But we can't afford Obamacare. The Middle Class is being squeezed out of existence and adding in all the costs and taxes and fines and increases that come with Obamacare is just adding insult to injury.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Hear me out.

Our healthcare infrastructure is a Rube Goldberg hodgepodge of antiquated and slapdash pieces cadged together into a cartoonish mockery. For decades, the system has been dysfunctional and the result has been a rise in healthcare costs which has far outpaced inflation.

This is why Clinton tried to socialize medicine in the 90s, and this is why ObamaCare exists today. In between, when the GOP completely dominated all three branches of government, they did nothing about the problem. Nothing at all, except to glue on a massive and expensive new Goldbergian device (Medicare Part D) to buy the votes of seniors. I guess they were too busy doubling the national debt to bother with fixing healthcare.

When faced with a choice between the GOP's answer to the problem ("we aren't going to do fuck-all about it") and the Democratic Party's answer to the problem ("we are going let the government take it over"), the people decided time and again in the past few years that the Democrat's "something" was superior to the GOP's "nothing".

Even now, the GOP's answer is to offer nothing and to fight ObamaCare tooth and nail.

Well, here's the thing: ObamaCare offers federal subsidies for people earning less than 400 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) who buy their insurance through an exchange.

Quite a few red states are doing all they can to prevent their citizens from accessing these subsidies. This is a HUGE tactical error on their part.

When the citizens of a red state see the citizens of a neighboring state are getting actual dollars from the federal government to pay for their health insurance, and they see their own state government is keeping that cash away from their own hands, they are going to rise up in giant hordes and throw the bums out on their asses. They are going to turn all those red state legislatures into blue state legislatures.

And then those blue legislatures are going to redraw their Congressional district lines.

Here is another thing: Five years after RomneyCare was implemented in Massachusetts, 74 percent of the citizens polled said they wanted to keep RomneyCare around. A significant percentage (about half) said they wanted some changes made to it, but they did not want it repealed.

This is a very, very bad indicator for the GOP. Once ObamaCare gets off the ground, which it is in the process of doing right now, the people are going to find great favor with it, and anyone who stands in the way who has nothing else to offer is going to get steamrolled.

Ask around. Ask people what the GOP's plan for healthcare reform is. You will get nothing but shrugs. You will hear, "Repeal ObamaCare." But when you press for the GOP's plan to fix our broken system, you will get bupkis.

And that is why ObamaCare exists, and why it will succeed, and why the GOP is on the losing side.

The GOP fucked up. Big time. They were completely outgamed.

I mostly agree with what you're saying except that the government doesn't actually control or administer health care, as you say.

That's a total myth and I don't know why so many Americans go along with it.

Insurance is still in the free market and so are healthcare providers.

It's a free market system, and it will always get more expensive because that's how the free market works. All these Republicans these days still complaining about rising costs don't seem to understand the basic nature of capitalism. It isn't to make healthcare cheaper; it's to make a profit from illness.

The only way Republicans could take the issue back is to pass Universal Healthcare. So what if Obama got everyone insurance if you can say that you got everybody FREE healthcare!

If it's all free, who is paying for it?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Obamacare will burn america to the ground.

WHEN?

Give us a date.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Boehner and the rest of the Republicans create a new CR that funds the country 100% but they should demand the ObamaCare be implimented 100% today. No exemptions! No exemptions for Business, No exemptions for Congress, No exemptions for Unions or anybody else. 100% implementation for everybody If Obama does that he can have his CR. Give him what he wants plus more. This would be a win win for Republicans and a no-win position for Obama. Obama would have go along knowing the system will be a disaster for the Dems for the 2014 elections or he would have to explain fighting against his own Bill.

There are no exemptions for Congress.

The employer mandate was delayed for transitional relief. It is not an exemption.

Knucklehead.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Modification is all that reasonable people are asking for. Get rid of crap like real estate taxes, taxes on medical devices, and fines on young people who choose not to buy insurance. Then add some tort reform, interstate insurance competition, make it voluntary not mandatory, and a few other needed changes.

the real objection here is not trying to fix healthcare-----the problem is having it rammed down our throats by one party with no open debate or discussion.

The taxes are what pay for it.

wrong, taxes only pay for part of it, the rest is paid for with higher premiums, high deductibles and higher co-pays.

the website warns that your premium could go up if you file too many claims.

And it warns it could go lower in premiums, deductibles, co-pays.

No one knows, but you are scarifying, Redfish.

 

[Desperado]

Boehner and the rest of the Republicans create a new CR that funds the country 100% but they should demand the ObamaCare be implimented 100% today. No exemptions! No exemptions for Business, No exemptions for Congress, No exemptions for Unions or anybody else. 100% implementation for everybody If Obama does that he can have his CR. Give him what he wants plus more. This would be a win win for Republicans and a no-win position for Obama. Obama would have go along knowing the system will be a disaster for the Dems for the 2014 elections or he would have to explain fighting against his own Bill.

There are no exemptions for Congress.

The employer mandate was delayed for transitional relief. It is not an exemption.

Knucklehead.

Name one other law that gets implemented in pieces? Implement all or nothing, seriously not that hard to do.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Boehner and the rest of the Republicans create a new CR that funds the country 100% but they should demand the ObamaCare be implimented 100% today. No exemptions! No exemptions for Business, No exemptions for Congress, No exemptions for Unions or anybody else. 100% implementation for everybody If Obama does that he can have his CR. Give him what he wants plus more. This would be a win win for Republicans and a no-win position for Obama. Obama would have go along knowing the system will be a disaster for the Dems for the 2014 elections or he would have to explain fighting against his own Bill.

There are no exemptions for Congress.

The employer mandate was delayed for transitional relief. It is not an exemption.

Knucklehead.

Name one other law that gets implemented in pieces? Implement all or nothing, seriously not that hard to do.

That is a dumb challenge. Many laws are implemented in pieces. Perhaps you would like an opportunity to research first?

 

[Dot Com]

Repubs are doing two things- seeing how far they can push it & fundraising from their rubes about it.

 

[driveby]

what do you think would happen to the server here if a million people all tried to get on at once?

go on take your time.

Three years and 600 million should be enough time and resources to buy enough bandwidth to handle the entire population of Earth, half of Venus and 30% of Mars. Don't let that stop you from enabling your heroes though......

lol such ignorance. what the fuck do you think a dns attack is and why it works everytime?

Again, a 600 million dollar website and the regime sends a chimp like you to make that excuse? .....

If your dear leaders really cared about the 30 million without healthcare, with the 600 million for that website alone, they could have given these people 20 million dollars each for their healthcare. That would save the taxpayers the other 2 trillion this disaster will end up costing and it would save you the time and trouble of defending these imbeciles with your asinine excuses.....

 

[driveby]

Speaking of things burning down....has anyone in the media even noticed that O'Bummer's house of cards spontaneously combusted when the very first would-be user tried to use the much-vaunted, ever-so-helpful website?

This is govt inefficiency to the finest. Spend 640 million on a website that doesn't even work.

It's not their fault, they forgot to renew their Norton before launching .......

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Redfish and Gramps, the program will have to be modified, yes, but it won't go away.

What will happen is the GOP, which is changing as we write to meet the demographic and cultural needs of the country, will purge wackos like you in the party from decision and policy making positions.

You can vote GOP all you want.

Ya know, there's already a political Party that supports Obama and Obamacare

 

[HenryBHough]

Once you are eating only government food, living in government housing, watching only government produced television then you won't need to work! Except that, if you don't, a government thug will disappear you though perhaps only after having beaten you two or three times.

But you'll like it because THAT will be true equality.