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The GOP offered plans. These plans were totally ignored by the Dems.
The GOP warned the Dems that the way they wrote the bill would cause massive issues in the very areas that are going to shit right now.
All ignored.
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The GOP offered plans. These plans were totally ignored by the Dems.
The GOP warned the Dems that the way they wrote the bill would cause massive issues in the very areas that are going to shit right now.
All ignored.
.
Because they were all kind of stupid.
Here's an idea. Let's just say, anyone who doesn't get insurance can sign up for a public option.
Anyone who doesn't like his insurance can sign up for a public option, and his employer has to give his share of what they'd pay to Blue Cross to that option.
Easy-peasy.
The real problem with ObamaCare is that it tried to hard to protect an already failing system of employer insurance.
If you are not going to post a riddle, you ought to stop saying that you are going to post a riddle.
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Which is the ultimate goal of you and the Dems. Which turns all Medical Care over to Government control.
Which is why Statist like you want it.........................
It would give the Gov't control over a third of the GDP. It would force millions out of the work force except those who get picked to work for the Gov't.
Right now the Gov't is trying to hire 200,000 workers to implement this plan.
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The problem with obamacare is that politicians should run politics, doctors should run healthcare.
But as liberals would say "who do Drs think they are, talking about healthcare"!!
Or if that Dr happens to be black, the racist liberals blow their collective tops!!
They convieniently forgot that little saga!!!
I just received a letter from my job stating that no one will be working more than 30 hours a week.
I normally worked 48-52 hours per week generating 10 hours of regular play, and 8-12 hours of overtime time. Each hour I work averages an ADDITIONAL $ 11.25 in tips.
This means each week I will now be losing (20)(11.25) + (10)(10.50) + (10)(16.25) dollars per week.
I will now be losing an average of $ 492.50 per week.
This is nearly $ 2,000 per month.
Almost $24,000 a year ($ 23,640)
I can no longer afford my own private healthcare coverage --- thanks to Obamacare.
I will also have to find a second job, and DROP two classes at Stony Brook University.
So now I will make less money, work more hours, and it will take longer to complete my degree.
My life has been ruined by the parasites.
Obamacare just ruined my life.
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Which is the ultimate goal of you and the Dems. Which turns all Medical Care over to Government control.
Which is why Statist like you want it.........................
It would give the Gov't control over a third of the GDP. It would force millions out of the work force except those who get picked to work for the Gov't.
Right now the Gov't is trying to hire 200,000 workers to implement this plan.
A couple problems with your statement.
The first is, a single payer system does eliminate a lot of positions, such as the three clerks your doctor's office needs to plod through insurance programs and fight with insurance companies. These folks add NOTHING to the quality of health care. They make it more expensive. Not sure why you would be sad to see them gone.
Second, every other industrialized country has single payer, they are just as free as we are if not more so, they get better results and they spend less. As opposed to the 1/6th of GDP we spend on health care, they spend 1/10 or less.
Third, a private sector plan just doesn't work. Private insurance would never pick up most of the people covered by Medicare or Medicaid or the VA. They only really want healthy working folks whole pay premiums and hopefully won't get sick. Not seeing how that's a good deal for anyone but the insurance companies.
The GOP offered plans. These plans were totally ignored by the Dems.
The GOP warned the Dems that the way they wrote the bill would cause massive issues in the very areas that are going to shit right now.
All ignored.
They proposed legislation that would have given Tax Credits to ALL AMERICANS irregardless of Status.
They proposed no rule for time worked to get these credits. aka You could work 5 hours and still get the credits for insurance and businesses were not given loop holes, so the 30 hour work week wouldn't be an issue.
They proposed Subsidies to target HIGH COST MEDICINE which drive the costs for all up. Kind of like a Wind Pool in Hurricane areas to lower these costs.
They proposed exchanges that could cross state lines. Just like the Unions do already so they can pool large groups of people to get lower rates. But alas that isn't worthy of the non Union workers.
They proposed tort reform, which would stop the ambulance Chasers from driving up Malpractice Insurance.
Riddle me this...............................
Would the Unions be crying now had some of this been passed instead...........................
As ALL OF THEM WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AN INSURANCE TAX CREDIT, irregardless of the hours they work................................Yeah, that's right. They would have gotten a pre-tax voucher that would have made their insurance cheaper than it already is now.
Finally, THE LAW WOULD HAVE BEEN EQUAL TO ALL. Kinda like justice for all. No one, except those in poverty would have gotten any special consideration and all would have gotten a way to reduce their costs.
But alas, THE STATIST HAD TO HAVE THEIR WAY, and the law is a POS.
The GOP offered plans. These plans were totally ignored by the Dems.
The GOP warned the Dems that the way they wrote the bill would cause massive issues in the very areas that are going to shit right now.
All ignored.
They proposed legislation that would have given Tax Credits to ALL AMERICANS irregardless of Status.
They proposed no rule for time worked to get these credits. aka You could work 5 hours and still get the credits for insurance and businesses were not given loop holes, so the 30 hour work week wouldn't be an issue.
They proposed Subsidies to target HIGH COST MEDICINE which drive the costs for all up. Kind of like a Wind Pool in Hurricane areas to lower these costs.
They proposed exchanges that could cross state lines. Just like the Unions do already so they can pool large groups of people to get lower rates. But alas that isn't worthy of the non Union workers.
They proposed tort reform, which would stop the ambulance Chasers from driving up Malpractice Insurance.
Riddle me this...............................
Would the Unions be crying now had some of this been passed instead...........................
As ALL OF THEM WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AN INSURANCE TAX CREDIT, irregardless of the hours they work................................Yeah, that's right. They would have gotten a pre-tax voucher that would have made their insurance cheaper than it already is now.
Finally, THE LAW WOULD HAVE BEEN EQUAL TO ALL. Kinda like justice for all. No one, except those in poverty would have gotten any special consideration and all would have gotten a way to reduce their costs.
But alas, THE STATIST HAD TO HAVE THEIR WAY, and the law is a POS.
Riddle me THIS...
Republicans were well aware that health care reform was paramount to repairing our economy and protecting the financial security of American families. McCain, and Republicans ALSO ran on promising health care reforms.
But Republicans made a conscious and collective decision to block and undermine any reform. Because it would be seen as a success for our President.
David Frum, the Republican and former economic speechwriter for George W. Bush was fired by the American Enterprise Institute for writing this op-ed, a right wing think tank whose 'scholars' ironically were ordered not to speak to the media on the subject of health care reform, because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.
Waterloo
by David Frum
At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obamas Waterloo just as healthcare was Clintons in 1994.
This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none.
Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romneys Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.
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The final irony:
The health care bill Obama and Democrats passed was not the reform liberals and progressives sought. It was and IS a carbon copy of the Republican bills proposed by Senator John Chafee, (R-R.I) and Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole in the early 1990's. Including the conservative idea...the individual mandate.
The GOP offered plans. These plans were totally ignored by the Dems.
The GOP warned the Dems that the way they wrote the bill would cause massive issues in the very areas that are going to shit right now.
All ignored.
They proposed legislation that would have given Tax Credits to ALL AMERICANS irregardless of Status.
They proposed no rule for time worked to get these credits. aka You could work 5 hours and still get the credits for insurance and businesses were not given loop holes, so the 30 hour work week wouldn't be an issue.
They proposed Subsidies to target HIGH COST MEDICINE which drive the costs for all up. Kind of like a Wind Pool in Hurricane areas to lower these costs.
They proposed exchanges that could cross state lines. Just like the Unions do already so they can pool large groups of people to get lower rates. But alas that isn't worthy of the non Union workers.
They proposed tort reform, which would stop the ambulance Chasers from driving up Malpractice Insurance.
Riddle me this...............................
Would the Unions be crying now had some of this been passed instead...........................
As ALL OF THEM WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AN INSURANCE TAX CREDIT, irregardless of the hours they work................................Yeah, that's right. They would have gotten a pre-tax voucher that would have made their insurance cheaper than it already is now.
Finally, THE LAW WOULD HAVE BEEN EQUAL TO ALL. Kinda like justice for all. No one, except those in poverty would have gotten any special consideration and all would have gotten a way to reduce their costs.
But alas, THE STATIST HAD TO HAVE THEIR WAY, and the law is a POS.
Riddle me THIS...
Republicans were well aware that health care reform was paramount to repairing our economy and protecting the financial security of American families. McCain, and Republicans ALSO ran on promising health care reforms.
But Republicans made a conscious and collective decision to block and undermine any reform. Because it would be seen as a success for our President.
David Frum, the Republican and former economic speechwriter for George W. Bush was fired by the American Enterprise Institute for writing this op-ed, a right wing think tank whose 'scholars' ironically were ordered not to speak to the media on the subject of health care reform, because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.
Waterloo
by David Frum
At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obamas Waterloo just as healthcare was Clintons in 1994.
This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none.
Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romneys Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.
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The final irony:
The health care bill Obama and Democrats passed was not the reform liberals and progressives sought. It was and IS a carbon copy of the Republican bills proposed by Senator John Chafee, (R-R.I) and Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole in the early 1990's. Including the conservative idea...the individual mandate.
And the opposing solution didn't include the mandate, but made it Stupid not to buy Insurance as the payment would be less to get insurance than the penalty for not getting insurance.
You will also forget that Bush passed prescription drug laws to help the elderly. Yet back then the counter proposal was TWICE THE PRICE BY THE DEMS. They helped create Medicare Advantage programs for the elderly which is gone now under the ACA.
You can't pull 70 BILLION a year off the table for the elderly and NOT HURT THEM.
Face it. Your law put GRANDMA AND GRANDPA UNDER THE BUS.
Riddle me THIS...
Republicans were well aware that health care reform was paramount to repairing our economy and protecting the financial security of American families. McCain, and Republicans ALSO ran on promising health care reforms.
But Republicans made a conscious and collective decision to block and undermine any reform. Because it would be seen as a success for our President.
David Frum, the Republican and former economic speechwriter for George W. Bush was fired by the American Enterprise Institute for writing this op-ed, a right wing think tank whose 'scholars' ironically were ordered not to speak to the media on the subject of health care reform, because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.
Waterloo
by David Frum
At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obamas Waterloo just as healthcare was Clintons in 1994.
This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none.
Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romneys Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The final irony:
The health care bill Obama and Democrats passed was not the reform liberals and progressives sought. It was and IS a carbon copy of the Republican bills proposed by Senator John Chafee, (R-R.I) and Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole in the early 1990's. Including the conservative idea...the individual mandate.
And the opposing solution didn't include the mandate, but made it Stupid not to buy Insurance as the payment would be less to get insurance than the penalty for not getting insurance.
You will also forget that Bush passed prescription drug laws to help the elderly. Yet back then the counter proposal was TWICE THE PRICE BY THE DEMS. They helped create Medicare Advantage programs for the elderly which is gone now under the ACA.
You can't pull 70 BILLION a year off the table for the elderly and NOT HURT THEM.
Face it. Your law put GRANDMA AND GRANDPA UNDER THE BUS.
Links???
And you are continuing to IGNORE that FACT Republicans made a conscious and collective decision to block and undermine any reform. WHY? Because it would benefit We, the People? Hell no! Because Republicans thought it would benefit their PARTY.
Obama ruined your life on purpose. He wants to get you on the public dole so you'll become a scared Democrat voter. Scared that the GOP will take away your free money.
Obama ruined your life on purpose. He wants to get you on the public dole so you'll become a scared Democrat voter. Scared that the GOP will take away your free money.
I would like to know if any other nutters agree with this assessment. I know many of you have played around with a similar train of thought....but this example is special in it's simplistic lameness.
Wholehearted agreement, anyone?
Obama ruined your life on purpose. He wants to get you on the public dole so you'll become a scared Democrat voter. Scared that the GOP will take away your free money.
I would like to know if any other nutters agree with this assessment. I know many of you have played around with a similar train of thought....but this example is special in it's simplistic lameness.
Wholehearted agreement, anyone?
I can agree your a sheep with no brain
I would like to know if any other nutters agree with this assessment. I know many of you have played around with a similar train of thought....but this example is special in it's simplistic lameness.
Wholehearted agreement, anyone?
I can agree your a sheep with no brain
I see you are in Stuart. I have some customers there. Wanna meet for lunch sometime?
