Obamacare just ruined my life

[boedicca]

25 Republicans Who Supported Obamacare Before Obama

1. Rick Santorum? The Allentown Morning Call reported several times in 1994 that Santorum wanted to "require individuals to buy health insurance rather than forcing employers to pay for benefits." Santorum denies allegations that he ever supported an individual mandate.

2. President George H.W. Bush: In 1991, Mark Pauly, an adviser to the first Bush, and now a conservative health economist, came up with a Heritage-style health care proposal for the president as an alternative to the employer-based mandate that Democrats were pushing at the time.

3. Former Vice President Dan Quayle: He was down with the Heritage idea too.

4. Mitt Romney: Romneycare was Romney's signature legislative achievement as governor of Massachusetts, and it served as a model for Obamacare. During the 2012 campaign, the presidential contender had trouble deciding what his position was on Obamacare, and he deflected the blame for having conceived a similar plan; at one debate he noted that "we got the idea of an individual mandate…from [Newt Gingrich]."

5. Newt Gingrich: Though he reversed his position in May 2011, Gingrich had been a big supporter of the individual mandate since his early days in the House. In 1992 and 1993, when Republicans were looking for alternatives to Hillary Clinton's health care plan, many, including then-House minority whip Gingrich, backed the Heritage idea. (Gingrich has said that most conservatives supported an individual mandate for health insurance at the time.)

Twenty of his fellow GOPers cosponsored a 1993 health care bill which included an individual mandate and vouchers for poor people. As health scholar Avik Roy wrote at Forbes in 2012, "Given that there were 43 Republicans in the Senate of the 103rd Congress, these 20 comprised nearly half of the Republican Senate Caucus at that time." Here are those lawmakers:

6. Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kansas)

7. Sen. John Chafee (R-R.I.)

8. Sen. Robert Bennet (R-Utah)

9. Sen. Christopher Bond (R-Mo.)

10. Sen. George Brown (R-Colo.)

11. Sen. John Danforth (R-Mo.)

12. Sen. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.)

13. Sen. David Durenberger (R-Minn.)

14. Sen. Duncan Faircloth (R-N.C.)

15. Sen. William Cohen (R-Maine)

16. Sen. Slade Gorton (R-Wash.)

17. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa)

18. Sen. Mark Hatfield (R-Ore.)

19. Sen. Nancy Kassebaum (R-Kansas)

20. Sen. Dick Lugar (R-Ind.)

21. Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.)

22. Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.)

23. Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska)

24. Sen. John Warner (R-Va.)

25. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah)

more

None of the things described in your post is remotely like the Obamanation that the unread ObamaCare bill ended up being.

 

[LoneLaugher]

25 Republicans Who Supported Obamacare Before Obama

1. Rick Santorum? The Allentown Morning Call reported several times in 1994 that Santorum wanted to "require individuals to buy health insurance rather than forcing employers to pay for benefits." Santorum denies allegations that he ever supported an individual mandate.

2. President George H.W. Bush: In 1991, Mark Pauly, an adviser to the first Bush, and now a conservative health economist, came up with a Heritage-style health care proposal for the president as an alternative to the employer-based mandate that Democrats were pushing at the time.

3. Former Vice President Dan Quayle: He was down with the Heritage idea too.

4. Mitt Romney: Romneycare was Romney's signature legislative achievement as governor of Massachusetts, and it served as a model for Obamacare. During the 2012 campaign, the presidential contender had trouble deciding what his position was on Obamacare, and he deflected the blame for having conceived a similar plan; at one debate he noted that "we got the idea of an individual mandate…from [Newt Gingrich]."

5. Newt Gingrich: Though he reversed his position in May 2011, Gingrich had been a big supporter of the individual mandate since his early days in the House. In 1992 and 1993, when Republicans were looking for alternatives to Hillary Clinton's health care plan, many, including then-House minority whip Gingrich, backed the Heritage idea. (Gingrich has said that most conservatives supported an individual mandate for health insurance at the time.)

Twenty of his fellow GOPers cosponsored a 1993 health care bill which included an individual mandate and vouchers for poor people. As health scholar Avik Roy wrote at Forbes in 2012, "Given that there were 43 Republicans in the Senate of the 103rd Congress, these 20 comprised nearly half of the Republican Senate Caucus at that time." Here are those lawmakers:

6. Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kansas)

7. Sen. John Chafee (R-R.I.)

8. Sen. Robert Bennet (R-Utah)

9. Sen. Christopher Bond (R-Mo.)

10. Sen. George Brown (R-Colo.)

11. Sen. John Danforth (R-Mo.)

12. Sen. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.)

13. Sen. David Durenberger (R-Minn.)

14. Sen. Duncan Faircloth (R-N.C.)

15. Sen. William Cohen (R-Maine)

16. Sen. Slade Gorton (R-Wash.)

17. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa)

18. Sen. Mark Hatfield (R-Ore.)

19. Sen. Nancy Kassebaum (R-Kansas)

20. Sen. Dick Lugar (R-Ind.)

21. Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.)

22. Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.)

23. Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska)

24. Sen. John Warner (R-Va.)

25. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah)

more

None of the things described in your post is remotely like the Obamanation that the unread ObamaCare bill ended up being.

It is a law. A bill is something that has yet to become law.

 

[jasonnfree]

25 Republicans Who Supported Obamacare Before Obama

1. Rick Santorum? The Allentown Morning Call reported several times in 1994 that Santorum wanted to "require individuals to buy health insurance rather than forcing employers to pay for benefits." Santorum denies allegations that he ever supported an individual mandate.

2. President George H.W. Bush: In 1991, Mark Pauly, an adviser to the first Bush, and now a conservative health economist, came up with a Heritage-style health care proposal for the president as an alternative to the employer-based mandate that Democrats were pushing at the time.

3. Former Vice President Dan Quayle: He was down with the Heritage idea too.

4. Mitt Romney: Romneycare was Romney's signature legislative achievement as governor of Massachusetts, and it served as a model for Obamacare. During the 2012 campaign, the presidential contender had trouble deciding what his position was on Obamacare, and he deflected the blame for having conceived a similar plan; at one debate he noted that "we got the idea of an individual mandate…from [Newt Gingrich]."

5. Newt Gingrich: Though he reversed his position in May 2011, Gingrich had been a big supporter of the individual mandate since his early days in the House. In 1992 and 1993, when Republicans were looking for alternatives to Hillary Clinton's health care plan, many, including then-House minority whip Gingrich, backed the Heritage idea. (Gingrich has said that most conservatives supported an individual mandate for health insurance at the time.)

Twenty of his fellow GOPers cosponsored a 1993 health care bill which included an individual mandate and vouchers for poor people. As health scholar Avik Roy wrote at Forbes in 2012, "Given that there were 43 Republicans in the Senate of the 103rd Congress, these 20 comprised nearly half of the Republican Senate Caucus at that time." Here are those lawmakers:

6. Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kansas)

7. Sen. John Chafee (R-R.I.)

8. Sen. Robert Bennet (R-Utah)

9. Sen. Christopher Bond (R-Mo.)

10. Sen. George Brown (R-Colo.)

11. Sen. John Danforth (R-Mo.)

12. Sen. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.)

13. Sen. David Durenberger (R-Minn.)

14. Sen. Duncan Faircloth (R-N.C.)

15. Sen. William Cohen (R-Maine)

16. Sen. Slade Gorton (R-Wash.)

17. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa)

18. Sen. Mark Hatfield (R-Ore.)

19. Sen. Nancy Kassebaum (R-Kansas)

20. Sen. Dick Lugar (R-Ind.)

21. Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.)

22. Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.)

23. Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska)

24. Sen. John Warner (R-Va.)

25. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah)

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LOOL.

Trying to blame the failure of this law on Republicans? Is it so bad that you can't as [MENTION=42294]Snookie[/MENTION]: put "accept personal responsibility" for it?

Actually, if it weren't for republicans we would have a national health care system like every other first world country. It was advanced by Truman after ww2 and guess who shot it down? Taft and republicans. They called it socialism, although the republican politicians of those days didn't mind getting socialist health care same as the ryans and cantors and today don't mind getting their socialist health care. Remember when that tea bag anti socialist health care congressman from Maryland was angered when he found out his taxpayer provided health care wouldn't kick in immediately after he won his election?


Entitled Tea Party Jagoff Wants Government-Run Health Care Immediately Upon Entry to Congress | FDL News Desk

 

[TemplarKormac]

25 Republicans Who Supported Obamacare Before Obama

1. Rick Santorum? The Allentown Morning Call reported several times in 1994 that Santorum wanted to "require individuals to buy health insurance rather than forcing employers to pay for benefits." Santorum denies allegations that he ever supported an individual mandate.

2. President George H.W. Bush: In 1991, Mark Pauly, an adviser to the first Bush, and now a conservative health economist, came up with a Heritage-style health care proposal for the president as an alternative to the employer-based mandate that Democrats were pushing at the time.

3. Former Vice President Dan Quayle: He was down with the Heritage idea too.

4. Mitt Romney: Romneycare was Romney's signature legislative achievement as governor of Massachusetts, and it served as a model for Obamacare. During the 2012 campaign, the presidential contender had trouble deciding what his position was on Obamacare, and he deflected the blame for having conceived a similar plan; at one debate he noted that "we got the idea of an individual mandate…from [Newt Gingrich]."

5. Newt Gingrich: Though he reversed his position in May 2011, Gingrich had been a big supporter of the individual mandate since his early days in the House. In 1992 and 1993, when Republicans were looking for alternatives to Hillary Clinton's health care plan, many, including then-House minority whip Gingrich, backed the Heritage idea. (Gingrich has said that most conservatives supported an individual mandate for health insurance at the time.)

Twenty of his fellow GOPers cosponsored a 1993 health care bill which included an individual mandate and vouchers for poor people. As health scholar Avik Roy wrote at Forbes in 2012, "Given that there were 43 Republicans in the Senate of the 103rd Congress, these 20 comprised nearly half of the Republican Senate Caucus at that time." Here are those lawmakers:

6. Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kansas)

7. Sen. John Chafee (R-R.I.)

8. Sen. Robert Bennet (R-Utah)

9. Sen. Christopher Bond (R-Mo.)

10. Sen. George Brown (R-Colo.)

11. Sen. John Danforth (R-Mo.)

12. Sen. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.)

13. Sen. David Durenberger (R-Minn.)

14. Sen. Duncan Faircloth (R-N.C.)

15. Sen. William Cohen (R-Maine)

16. Sen. Slade Gorton (R-Wash.)

17. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa)

18. Sen. Mark Hatfield (R-Ore.)

19. Sen. Nancy Kassebaum (R-Kansas)

20. Sen. Dick Lugar (R-Ind.)

21. Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.)

22. Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.)

23. Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska)

24. Sen. John Warner (R-Va.)

25. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah)

more

None of the things described in your post is remotely like the Obamanation that the unread ObamaCare bill ended up being.

It is a law. A bill is something that has yet to become law.

Reading comprehension is something that one possesses in order to understand written words. You apparently lack it.

If you missed the last four words of her post, I'm sorry for you.

"bill ended up being"

 

[boedicca]

25 Republicans Who Supported Obamacare Before Obama

1. Rick Santorum? The Allentown Morning Call reported several times in 1994 that Santorum wanted to "require individuals to buy health insurance rather than forcing employers to pay for benefits." Santorum denies allegations that he ever supported an individual mandate.

2. President George H.W. Bush: In 1991, Mark Pauly, an adviser to the first Bush, and now a conservative health economist, came up with a Heritage-style health care proposal for the president as an alternative to the employer-based mandate that Democrats were pushing at the time.

3. Former Vice President Dan Quayle: He was down with the Heritage idea too.

4. Mitt Romney: Romneycare was Romney's signature legislative achievement as governor of Massachusetts, and it served as a model for Obamacare. During the 2012 campaign, the presidential contender had trouble deciding what his position was on Obamacare, and he deflected the blame for having conceived a similar plan; at one debate he noted that "we got the idea of an individual mandate…from [Newt Gingrich]."

5. Newt Gingrich: Though he reversed his position in May 2011, Gingrich had been a big supporter of the individual mandate since his early days in the House. In 1992 and 1993, when Republicans were looking for alternatives to Hillary Clinton's health care plan, many, including then-House minority whip Gingrich, backed the Heritage idea. (Gingrich has said that most conservatives supported an individual mandate for health insurance at the time.)

Twenty of his fellow GOPers cosponsored a 1993 health care bill which included an individual mandate and vouchers for poor people. As health scholar Avik Roy wrote at Forbes in 2012, "Given that there were 43 Republicans in the Senate of the 103rd Congress, these 20 comprised nearly half of the Republican Senate Caucus at that time." Here are those lawmakers:

6. Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kansas)

7. Sen. John Chafee (R-R.I.)

8. Sen. Robert Bennet (R-Utah)

9. Sen. Christopher Bond (R-Mo.)

10. Sen. George Brown (R-Colo.)

11. Sen. John Danforth (R-Mo.)

12. Sen. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.)

13. Sen. David Durenberger (R-Minn.)

14. Sen. Duncan Faircloth (R-N.C.)

15. Sen. William Cohen (R-Maine)

16. Sen. Slade Gorton (R-Wash.)

17. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa)

18. Sen. Mark Hatfield (R-Ore.)

19. Sen. Nancy Kassebaum (R-Kansas)

20. Sen. Dick Lugar (R-Ind.)

21. Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.)

22. Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.)

23. Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska)

24. Sen. John Warner (R-Va.)

25. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah)

more

None of the things described in your post is remotely like the Obamanation that the unread ObamaCare bill ended up being.

It is a law. A bill is something that has yet to become law.

The content of ObamaCare is a monstrosity compared to the content of the others.

It's an unworkable mess, and you morons are still in denial. To date, there have been 19 deferrals of various part of it, thousands of waivers, a doubling of the cost estimate while forecasting that 31M people will remain uninsured, an inability to verify eligibility, destruction of full time job creation, reduction of many workers' hours below 30 per week...

Heckuva job, Barry!

 

[jasonnfree]

Well, have at it, what are you waiting for?

To assume I'm waiting is a grave mistake.

I'm already in an armed militia. And, most of us are also members of the Tea Party. And we are already taking our country back one citizen, one hovel at a time.

You may thank god for TX showing the way any time you get a chance.

This makes no sense.

Taking our country ‘back’ from what, or whom?

Our country hasn’t been ‘taken’ anywhere – it’s right here, right now - exactly as the Framers intended.

The only ‘taking back’ the reactionary TPM seeks is to a time when African-Americans were slaves, women were treated as property, and citizens lived to the ripe old age of 40.

They want to take back their country and are armed and in militias. Maybe they mean arm chair militias?

 

[Foxfyre]

It is important to note that the short essay posted at the Heritage Foundation site that Mother Jones and Bfgn dishonestly presented as "The Heritage Foundation's" position leads with this disclaimer:

"NOTE: Nothing written here is to be construed as necessarily reflecting the views of the Heritage Foundation or as an attempt to aid or hinder the passage of any bill before Congress."

However the very same piece has heavy emphasis on what will NOT work to fix the USA's ailing healthcare system:
1. Government-Funded Systems won't work - Does THAT sound like Obamacare?
2. Employer Mandates won't work - Does THAT sound like Obamacare?

What it DID recommend was to give a tax credit to people for their healthcare costs. - Does THAT sound like Obamacare?

What it DID recommend that given the tax credit option, people would pay for routine medical care and prescriptions--annual physicals, emergency room visits, treatment for minor injuries, vaccinations, etc.--out of pocket and would quickly become conscious as to the cost of these things. Which would result in shopping for better deals which would provide incentive for the free market to bring down costs. Does THAT sound like Obamacare?

What it DID recommend is that all be required to have at least catastrophic healthcare coverage with some help provided to the very few people who wouldn't be able to afford that. The cost would be offset by the reduced burden on the insurance companies due to people paying the every day costs out of pocket.
http://healthcarereform.procon.org/..._affordable_health_care_for_all_americans.pdf

This is the solution I have seen to the problem all along. The states could set insurance regulations requiring insurance companies to accept all reasonable risks in order to receive a license to do business in the state, just as they do now for other types of insurance. And the states could set up assigned risk pools for the very hard to ensure just as they do for difficult to insure drivers or work comp.

There are so many excellent ways to help the healthcare system be more affordable and customer friendly. It is tragic that we have a government who refuses to utilize a single policy that would help and instead has adopted the horrendous train wreck they demand that we all endure.

Personally I think the Heritage Foundation essay would be an excellent place to begin the debate. And it is debate that the Heritage Foundation encourages when it offers us a well thought out and competent piece such as that.

 

[Bfgrn]

None of the things described in your post is remotely like the Obamanation that the unread ObamaCare bill ended up being.

It is a law. A bill is something that has yet to become law.

The content of ObamaCare is a monstrosity compared to the content of the others.

It's an unworkable mess, and you morons are still in denial. To date, there have been 19 deferrals of various part of it, thousands of waivers, a doubling of the cost estimate while forecasting that 31M people will remain uninsured, an inability to verify eligibility, destruction of full time job creation, reduction of many workers' hours below 30 per week...

Heckuva job, Barry!

Accusations with things like "19 deferrals of various part of it, thousands of waivers, a doubling of the cost estimate" require LINKS...

 

[Snookie]

Yeah, and you get to lecture us on personal responsibility. Your president has breached his oath of office on more than one occasion to keep his monstrosity of a healthcare plan from dying on it's feet.

How do you know? Did you read his lips?

What are you talking about? Negged for being stupid.

Did Obama Flout the Law by Delaying Obamacare? | The Fiscal Times

Yet Another White House Obamacare Delay: Out-Of-Pocket Caps Waived Until 2015 - Forbes

Two right wing websites. Yeah, sure. I'll neg you back, potty mouth.

 

[EriktheRed]

25 Republicans Who Supported Obamacare Before Obama

1. Rick Santorum? The Allentown Morning Call reported several times in 1994 that Santorum wanted to "require individuals to buy health insurance rather than forcing employers to pay for benefits." Santorum denies allegations that he ever supported an individual mandate.

2. President George H.W. Bush: In 1991, Mark Pauly, an adviser to the first Bush, and now a conservative health economist, came up with a Heritage-style health care proposal for the president as an alternative to the employer-based mandate that Democrats were pushing at the time.

3. Former Vice President Dan Quayle: He was down with the Heritage idea too.

4. Mitt Romney: Romneycare was Romney's signature legislative achievement as governor of Massachusetts, and it served as a model for Obamacare. During the 2012 campaign, the presidential contender had trouble deciding what his position was on Obamacare, and he deflected the blame for having conceived a similar plan; at one debate he noted that "we got the idea of an individual mandate…from [Newt Gingrich]."

5. Newt Gingrich: Though he reversed his position in May 2011, Gingrich had been a big supporter of the individual mandate since his early days in the House. In 1992 and 1993, when Republicans were looking for alternatives to Hillary Clinton's health care plan, many, including then-House minority whip Gingrich, backed the Heritage idea. (Gingrich has said that most conservatives supported an individual mandate for health insurance at the time.)

Twenty of his fellow GOPers cosponsored a 1993 health care bill which included an individual mandate and vouchers for poor people. As health scholar Avik Roy wrote at Forbes in 2012, "Given that there were 43 Republicans in the Senate of the 103rd Congress, these 20 comprised nearly half of the Republican Senate Caucus at that time." Here are those lawmakers:

6. Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kansas)

7. Sen. John Chafee (R-R.I.)

8. Sen. Robert Bennet (R-Utah)

9. Sen. Christopher Bond (R-Mo.)

10. Sen. George Brown (R-Colo.)

11. Sen. John Danforth (R-Mo.)

12. Sen. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.)

13. Sen. David Durenberger (R-Minn.)

14. Sen. Duncan Faircloth (R-N.C.)

15. Sen. William Cohen (R-Maine)

16. Sen. Slade Gorton (R-Wash.)

17. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa)

18. Sen. Mark Hatfield (R-Ore.)

19. Sen. Nancy Kassebaum (R-Kansas)

20. Sen. Dick Lugar (R-Ind.)

21. Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.)

22. Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.)

23. Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska)

24. Sen. John Warner (R-Va.)

25. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah)

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LOOL.

Trying to blame the failure of this law on Republicans? Is it so bad that you can't as [MENTION=42294]Snookie[/MENTION]: put "accept personal responsibility" for it?

Listing Republicans who supported supported similar plans to the ACA is "trying to blame the failure of this law on Republicans"?

 

[Foxfyre]

Good point Eric. But even if they try to hang the Republicans, I can guess not a single person embracing that list read the Heritage Foundation essay that I linked and that roughly reflects the views of 99% of Republicans who have suggested any kind of mandate related to health care.

And the Heritage Foundation plan could not be any further from Obamacare if somebody had intentionally written something to be 180 degrees opposite of Obamacare.

But intellectual honesty isn't strong among the automatic Republican bashers.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Good point Eric. But even if they try to hang the Republicans, I can guess not a single person embracing that list read the Heritage Foundation essay that I linked and that roughly reflects the views of 99% of Republicans who have suggested any kind of mandate related to health care.

And the Heritage Foundation plan could not be any further from Obamacare if somebody had intentionally written something to be 180 degrees opposite of Obamacare.

But intellectual honesty isn't strong among the automatic Republican bashers.

Question marks are cool

 

[MeBelle]

25 Republicans Who Supported Obamacare Before Obama

1. Rick Santorum
2. President George H.W. Bush: In 1991,
3. Former Vice President Dan Quayle: He was down with the Heritage idea too.
4. Mitt Romney:
5. Newt Gingrich:

Twenty of his fellow GOPers cosponsored a 1993 health care bill which included an individual mandate and vouchers for poor people.

6. Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kansas)
7. Sen. John Chafee (R-R.I.)
8. Sen. Robert Bennet (R-Utah)
9. Sen. Christopher Bond (R-Mo.)
10. Sen. George Brown (R-Colo.)
11. Sen. John Danforth (R-Mo.)
12. Sen. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.)
13. Sen. David Durenberger (R-Minn.)
14. Sen. Duncan Faircloth (R-N.C.)
15. Sen. William Cohen (R-Maine)
16. Sen. Slade Gorton (R-Wash.)
17. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa)
18. Sen. Mark Hatfield (R-Ore.)
19. Sen. Nancy Kassebaum (R-Kansas)
20. Sen. Dick Lugar (R-Ind.)
21. Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.)
22. Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.)
23. Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska)
24. Sen. John Warner (R-Va.)
25. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah)
more

Out of this group only three remain in office.
And 1992 was 20 years ago.

Even Clinton who actually worked on a health care bill for 1 and 1/2 years instead of trying to ram it down the country's throat in 14 months, lost with a Dem Congress.

So, do we get to say

Dems were against Obamacare before they were for it?

 

[MeBelle]

Some of you need to read this book.

Health Care Reform: What It Is, Why It's Necessary, How It Works: Jonathan Gruber, Nathan Schreiber: 9780809053971: Amazon.com: Books

Or....at least read some of what this guy has to say.

MIT Economics : Jonathan Gruber

The misinformation that you have accepted as fact is extensive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Gruber_(economist)
During 2009-2010 he served as a technical consultant to the Obama Administration and worked with both the Administration and Congress to help craft the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.


Jonathan Gruber wrote:
The Cost and Coverage Impact of the President?s Health Insurance Budget Proposals ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Whoops!

Jonathan Gruber wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/opinion/04gruber.html?_r=0

Darn....

 

[MeBelle]

How do you know? Did you read his lips?

What are you talking about? Negged for being stupid.

Did Obama Flout the Law by Delaying Obamacare? | The Fiscal Times

Yet Another White House Obamacare Delay: Out-Of-Pocket Caps Waived Until 2015 - Forbes

Two right wing websites. Yeah, sure. I'll neg you back, potty mouth.

ObamaCare employer mandate delayed until after 2014 midterms - The Hill's Healthwatch

Fun reading here:
http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/faqs/faq-aca12.html

Could only find left wing Opinion pieces for the second portion but seriously does anyone think the 'left wing' would even dare ask if the maneuver was illlegal?

Some links in here:
On the health-care mandate, Obama reaches beyond the law - The Washington Post

Legal expert says Obama?s delay of mandate ?blatantly illegal? - BizPac Review

Yes, Delaying Obamacare?s Employer Mandate Is Illegal | Cato @ Liberty

 

[LoneLaugher]

Some of you need to read this book.

Health Care Reform: What It Is, Why It's Necessary, How It Works: Jonathan Gruber, Nathan Schreiber: 9780809053971: Amazon.com: Books

Or....at least read some of what this guy has to say.

MIT Economics : Jonathan Gruber

The misinformation that you have accepted as fact is extensive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Gruber_(economist)
During 2009-2010 he served as a technical consultant to the Obama Administration and worked with both the Administration and Congress to help craft the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.


Jonathan Gruber wrote:
The Cost and Coverage Impact of the President?s Health Insurance Budget Proposals ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Whoops!

Jonathan Gruber wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/opinion/04gruber.html?_r=0

Darn....

Excellent post.

The second link you provided was written in 2006. Psssst........different POTUS.

The third one was written in 2008.....and is not critical of Obamacare.

I love it when people do not read their own links. It brings me such joy.

Oops!

 

[eagle1462010]

Riddle me this.....................

Which party created a law with so many loop holes that it looks like Swiss cheese, and then state it's not their fault when businesses and Americans use these loop holes......................

Which party created a law that didn't give across the board credits for all Americans but PANDERED only to a specific group of people, while targeting the rest..................

Which party gave the option to the States to not set up exchanges, so the Feds would take over these States and run the exchanges only to say we need another year................

Which party created a law where all businesses would have to get specific hardware to communicate across the U.S. to the Feds in order to comply with the law, and it's so broken they need another year to try and implement it...............

Which party created a law that requires every citizen to put their private information into a Federal Database.................

Which party created a law that made their own supporters, aka the Unions, go bat shit crazy because it is damaging them so much because of an inept law..........................

I know which party that is, do you...............................

 

[LoneLaugher]

It is customary to follow up the directive "Riddle me this"..........with a riddle.

 

[eagle1462010]

The GOP offered plans. These plans were totally ignored by the Dems.

The GOP warned the Dems that the way they wrote the bill would cause massive issues in the very areas that are going to shit right now.

All ignored.

They proposed legislation that would have given Tax Credits to ALL AMERICANS irregardless of Status.

They proposed no rule for time worked to get these credits. aka You could work 5 hours and still get the credits for insurance and businesses were not given loop holes, so the 30 hour work week wouldn't be an issue.

They proposed Subsidies to target HIGH COST MEDICINE which drive the costs for all up. Kind of like a Wind Pool in Hurricane areas to lower these costs.

They proposed exchanges that could cross state lines. Just like the Unions do already so they can pool large groups of people to get lower rates. But alas that isn't worthy of the non Union workers.

They proposed tort reform, which would stop the ambulance Chasers from driving up Malpractice Insurance.

Riddle me this...............................

Would the Unions be crying now had some of this been passed instead...........................

As ALL OF THEM WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AN INSURANCE TAX CREDIT, irregardless of the hours they work................................Yeah, that's right. They would have gotten a pre-tax voucher that would have made their insurance cheaper than it already is now.

Finally, THE LAW WOULD HAVE BEEN EQUAL TO ALL. Kinda like justice for all. No one, except those in poverty would have gotten any special consideration and all would have gotten a way to reduce their costs.

But alas, THE STATIST HAD TO HAVE THEIR WAY, and the law is a POS.

 

[eagle1462010]

It is customary to follow up the directive "Riddle me this"..........with a riddle.

It is just a way of expressing by point. It's not a riddle. It's simply facts that your Dem party wrote a LAW FROM HELL.

Easier for you..............