Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows

[Preius]

Or, in some cases, it's just telling the truth that will do the trick.

Yes, but that's not what's happening here. We have seen claims that:

1) OWS is demanding $20 minimum wage and a general cancellation of debts.
2) The protesters intend to invade the stock exchange and kill everybody.
3) The protesters are shitting all over the streets and leaving litter everywhere and destroying property.
4) The protesters are engaging in all-night orgies.
5) The protests are all organized by Van Jones/Barack Obama/George Soros/the labor unions/[insert liberal-of-the-moment]

All of these are lies. Not one of these claims has any foundation in fact or has been supported with any hard evidence whatsoever.

I think it's quite telling when people are so worried about a movement that they feel it's worth lying about it in order to discredit it.

Yeah -- it's an evil job making all that stuff up.. And the truth is --- the "right" sucks at it.

For real demonizing -- whether it's a Repub woman or black or a mere "non-approved" idea -- NOTHING beats the leftist smear machine..

I just sit here and watch the bombardment go over my position..

There are many ideas being thrown around by just ordinary people in the 99% Occupy movement. The leaders are intentionally staying away from specific issues. This country was founded on extreme violence such as burning the homes of British tax collectors, and perhaps even murder.

Your point #2 about entering the stock exchange and killing everyone would be a sad thing for the families of those who might die. On the other hand, we are a violent people hiding behind a lot of great concepts. Many see themselves out of work and losing their homes while Wall Streeters continue to make millions. I would understand if violence occurred. It would be a pity for the 1%.

I can see where the level of anger might be along the lines of patriots during the American revolution. What if you had lost your home or your job through no fault of your own and your unemployment was running out. Desperation can become violence easily. Within our highly moral concepts of government are Second Amendment solutions. If it were to happen I would be sad, and not helpful to the political end of things. On the other hand, what goes around comes around. Unfortunately, an eye for an eye is a consistently realistic concept for human beings.

Let me put it this way, if a few hedge fund manager, or CEOs experienced a fatal incident around the New York Stock Exchange, I would not lose any sleep. For the record as a social liberal, and a fiscal conservative, I would condemn any use of violence on Wall Street, at least publicly. I believe this was also John Hancock's attitude during the Boston Tea Party.

 

[flacaltenn]

Yes, but that's not what's happening here. We have seen claims that:

1) OWS is demanding $20 minimum wage and a general cancellation of debts.
2) The protesters intend to invade the stock exchange and kill everybody.
3) The protesters are shitting all over the streets and leaving litter everywhere and destroying property.
4) The protesters are engaging in all-night orgies.
5) The protests are all organized by Van Jones/Barack Obama/George Soros/the labor unions/[insert liberal-of-the-moment]

All of these are lies. Not one of these claims has any foundation in fact or has been supported with any hard evidence whatsoever.

I think it's quite telling when people are so worried about a movement that they feel it's worth lying about it in order to discredit it.

Yeah -- it's an evil job making all that stuff up.. And the truth is --- the "right" sucks at it.

For real demonizing -- whether it's a Repub woman or black or a mere "non-approved" idea -- NOTHING beats the leftist smear machine..

I just sit here and watch the bombardment go over my position..

There are many ideas being thrown around by just ordinary people in the 99% Occupy movement. The leaders are intentionally staying away from specific issues. This country was founded on extreme violence such as burning the homes of British tax collectors, and perhaps even murder.

Your point #2 about entering the stock exchange and killing everyone would be a sad thing for the families of those who might die. On the other hand, we are a violent people hiding behind a lot of great concepts. Many see themselves out of work and losing their homes while Wall Streeters continue to make millions. I would understand if violence occurred. It would be a pity for the 1%.

I can see where the level of anger might be along the lines of patriots during the American revolution. What if you had lost your home or your job through no fault of your own and your unemployment was running out. Desperation can become violence easily. Within our highly moral concepts of government are Second Amendment solutions. If it were to happen I would be sad, and not helpful to the political end of things. On the other hand, what goes around comes around. Unfortunately, an eye for an eye is a consistently realistic concept for human beings.

Let me put it this way, if a few hedge fund manager, or CEOs experienced a fatal incident around the New York Stock Exchange, I would not lose any sleep. For the record as a social liberal, and a fiscal conservative, I would condemn any use of violence on Wall Street, at least publicly. I believe this was also John Hancock's attitude during the Boston Tea Party.

There you go Preius.. I suspected you'd endorse a KristalNacht like "message" to the scapegoats you've selected as an enemy.. Don't bother responding to RATIONAL debate -- like you dodged my response to you yesterday.. http://www.usmessageboard.com/4267291-post1040.html

Just go for the punchline. Good Job.. Nancy Pelosi is REAL PROUD of your conviction..

 

[Preius]

Preius::

Thanks, we can hand the rest of it from here, but you are welcome to sign up with us. We hate Wall Street Millionaires, Republicans and Democrats. In the end the only ones who will stand up for the 1% are the 1%. Even some of them have joined the 99%, they are known as Patriotic Millionaires

Sorry I'm not impressed.. What do you want? A big ass thank-you for the grandstanding "patriotism"? How about they all wear Red,White, and Blue armbands so that we can bow at their feet?

First off -- Very few of America's Millionaires are Wall Street. The vast majority of the 100s of THOUSANDS of Millionaires in America are Entertainers, Sports Figures, Authors, Inventors, or are HARD-WORKING business people. Those making a living STRICTLY as corporate execs or financial figures is a miniscule portion of the 1%.

By villifying the Capitalist System and focusing the scapegoating on Wall Street -- the left has done the neccessary propagandizing to focus outrage on the MINORITY of "the rich" in order to plunder them all. There is no justification for plundering Hollywood --- or is there???

When the cast of Two and a Half Men have 4 stars that pull down over $200,000 per episode while the starving walk-ons mixing Jamba Juices in their real jobs make $200 per episode -- there's no outrage is there?

When the uniform management crew of the Baltimore Ravens make $25,000 and the quarterback makes $25Mill -- there's no outrage is there? YET the MAJORITY of Millionaires in this country are protected from the mobs for THEIR skyrocketing wages and benefits. How damn convienient.

You're fooling yourselves if you think that punishing Jay Leno, Phil Mickelson and Justin Bieber is akin to "patriotism". And your "Flea Party" is nothing other than a bunch of misinformed scavengers picking apart what's left of the carcass of an economy that NO ONE wants to fix..

I think I'll start a "Patriotic Have-Nots" Those 49% of American filers who currently pay NOTHING to the General Fund. THey are all gonna pledge 1% of their WAGES to patriotic subsidization of BIGGER more arrogant, more incompetent Government. Now THAT would deserve a standing ovation for MEANINGFUL sacrifice... Wouldn't it?

First, I am sorry I missed your post. I always go back to my previous posts looking for needed responses from me. Apparently, I missed this one. This is one fast thread!

name calling..

Next time you want to name-call, just put it in the upper left hand corner in large size bold red letters in your post. I barely scan that stuff anyway, which may be why I missed your post. This will save you time, and I will get the message about your attitude toward me or the subject.

I am not writing off millionaires as a group. How can you not like people like David Letterman, Bill Maher, Meryl Streep, or Shirley MacLaine to name a few. Actually, here in Southern California, Shirley MacLaine is better known for her activism in politics, successful business ventures, and as a published author. Her extraordinary career in entertainment, and as the only female member of Frank Sinatra's former 'rat pack.' seem to be more a part of her past.

 

[flacaltenn]

Preius::

Thanks, we can hand the rest of it from here, but you are welcome to sign up with us. We hate Wall Street Millionaires, Republicans and Democrats. In the end the only ones who will stand up for the 1% are the 1%. Even some of them have joined the 99%, they are known as Patriotic Millionaires

Sorry I'm not impressed.. What do you want? A big ass thank-you for the grandstanding "patriotism"? How about they all wear Red,White, and Blue armbands so that we can bow at their feet?

First off -- Very few of America's Millionaires are Wall Street. The vast majority of the 100s of THOUSANDS of Millionaires in America are Entertainers, Sports Figures, Authors, Inventors, or are HARD-WORKING business people. Those making a living STRICTLY as corporate execs or financial figures is a miniscule portion of the 1%.

By villifying the Capitalist System and focusing the scapegoating on Wall Street -- the left has done the neccessary propagandizing to focus outrage on the MINORITY of "the rich" in order to plunder them all. There is no justification for plundering Hollywood --- or is there???

When the cast of Two and a Half Men have 4 stars that pull down over $200,000 per episode while the starving walk-ons mixing Jamba Juices in their real jobs make $200 per episode -- there's no outrage is there?

When the uniform management crew of the Baltimore Ravens make $25,000 and the quarterback makes $25Mill -- there's no outrage is there? YET the MAJORITY of Millionaires in this country are protected from the mobs for THEIR skyrocketing wages and benefits. How damn convienient.

You're fooling yourselves if you think that punishing Jay Leno, Phil Mickelson and Justin Bieber is akin to "patriotism". And your "Flea Party" is nothing other than a bunch of misinformed scavengers picking apart what's left of the carcass of an economy that NO ONE wants to fix..

I think I'll start a "Patriotic Have-Nots" Those 49% of American filers who currently pay NOTHING to the General Fund. THey are all gonna pledge 1% of their WAGES to patriotic subsidization of BIGGER more arrogant, more incompetent Government. Now THAT would deserve a standing ovation for MEANINGFUL sacrifice... Wouldn't it?

First, I am sorry I missed your post. I always go back to my previous posts looking for needed responses from me. Apparently, I missed this one. This is one fast thread!

name calling..

Next time you want to name-call, just put it in the upper left hand corner in large size bold red letters in your post. I barely scan that stuff anyway, which may be why I missed your post. This will save you time, and I will get the message about your attitude toward me or the subject.

I am not writing off millionaires as a group. How can you not like people like David Letterman, Bill Maher, Meryl Streep, or Shirley MacLaine to name a few. Actually, here in Southern California, Shirley MacLaine is better known for her activism in politics, successful business ventures, and as a published author. Her extraordinary career in entertainment, and as the only female member of Frank Sinatra's former 'rat pack.' seem to be more a part of her past.

That's all ya got? Where is the Name-Calling? U must mean the "Flea Party" reference. That allows you to excuse your elitist ass from debate? You're a chicken-shit looter.. Now THERE'S the name-calling you wanted. Can't debate. Can't contribute. All you can do is parrot propaganda and call for revolution..

 

[Preius]

Preius::

Thanks, we can hand the rest of it from here, but you are welcome to sign up with us. We hate Wall Street Millionaires, Republicans and Democrats. In the end the only ones who will stand up for the 1% are the 1%. Even some of them have joined the 99%, they are known as Patriotic Millionaires

Sorry I'm not impressed.. What do you want? A big ass thank-you for the grandstanding "patriotism"? How about they all wear Red,White, and Blue armbands so that we can bow at their feet?

First off -- Very few of America's Millionaires are Wall Street. The vast majority of the 100s of THOUSANDS of Millionaires in America are Entertainers, Sports Figures, Authors, Inventors, or are HARD-WORKING business people. Those making a living STRICTLY as corporate execs or financial figures is a miniscule portion of the 1%.

By villifying the Capitalist System and focusing the scapegoating on Wall Street -- the left has done the neccessary propagandizing to focus outrage on the MINORITY of "the rich" in order to plunder them all. There is no justification for plundering Hollywood --- or is there???

When the cast of Two and a Half Men have 4 stars that pull down over $200,000 per episode while the starving walk-ons mixing Jamba Juices in their real jobs make $200 per episode -- there's no outrage is there?

When the uniform management crew of the Baltimore Ravens make $25,000 and the quarterback makes $25Mill -- there's no outrage is there? YET the MAJORITY of Millionaires in this country are protected from the mobs for THEIR skyrocketing wages and benefits. How damn convienient.

You're fooling yourselves if you think that punishing Jay Leno, Phil Mickelson and Justin Bieber is akin to "patriotism". And your "Flea Party" is nothing other than a bunch of misinformed scavengers picking apart what's left of the carcass of an economy that NO ONE wants to fix..

I think I'll start a "Patriotic Have-Nots" Those 49% of American filers who currently pay NOTHING to the General Fund. THey are all gonna pledge 1% of their WAGES to patriotic subsidization of BIGGER more arrogant, more incompetent Government. Now THAT would deserve a standing ovation for MEANINGFUL sacrifice... Wouldn't it?

First, I am sorry I missed your post. I always go back to my previous posts looking for needed responses from me. Apparently, I missed this one. This is one fast thread!

name calling..

Next time you want to name-call, just put the words in the upper left hand corner in large size bold red letters in your post. I barely scan that stuff anyway, which may be why I missed your post. This will save you time, and I will get the message about your attitude toward me or the subject at hand.

I am not writing off millionaires as a group. How can you not like people like David Letterman, Scott Pelley, Meryl Streep, or Shirley MacLaine to name a few. Actually, here in Southern California, Shirley MacLaine is better known for her activism in politics, successful business ventures, and as a published author. Her extraordinary career in entertainment, and as the only female member of Frank Sinatra's former 'rat pack.' seems to be more a part of her colorful past.

I often post that I believe capitalism and socialism in America are merging into American Socialism. In fact the only remnants of capitalism left in the United States seems to be the right of inheritance and financial rewards for new ideas. Socialism is in effect, and it was the REPUBLICANS that made American taxpayers into shareholders. A fact we will never let Republicans forget. It was not the Democrats that jump-started socialism as part of American life!

In answer to your Republican Party talking point of last week, (which was later dropped as just plain stupid), 49% of Americans pay no tax because they fall under the Federal poverty line and owe no tax. Another circumstance we can blame on Republicans for outsourcing jobs to the third world. However, these 49% are still liable for property tax, and sales tax which are regressive taxes, (wealthy and poor pay the same amount for a pack of gum at CVS).

Bottom line, there are self-serving bastards at all financial levels, unfortunately, when the wealth are nasty, a lot more people get hurt.

 

[Preius]

Yeah -- it's an evil job making all that stuff up.. And the truth is --- the "right" sucks at it.

For real demonizing -- whether it's a Repub woman or black or a mere "non-approved" idea -- NOTHING beats the leftist smear machine..

I just sit here and watch the bombardment go over my position..

There are many ideas being thrown around by just ordinary people in the 99% Occupy movement. The leaders are intentionally staying away from specific issues. This country was founded on extreme violence such as burning the homes of British tax collectors, and perhaps even murder.

The subject of this thread is "Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows"

Your point #2 about entering the stock exchange and killing everyone would be a sad thing for the families of those who might die. On the other hand, we are a violent people hiding behind a lot of great concepts. Many see themselves out of work and losing their homes while Wall Streeters continue to make millions. I would understand if violence occurred. It would be a pity for the 1%.

I can see where the level of anger might be along the lines of patriots during the American revolution. What if you had lost your home or your job through no fault of your own and your unemployment was running out. Desperation can become violence easily. Within our highly moral concepts of government are Second Amendment solutions. If it were to happen I would be sad, and not helpful to the political end of things. On the other hand, what goes around comes around. Unfortunately, an eye for an eye is a consistently realistic concept for human beings.

Let me put it this way, if a few hedge fund manager, or CEOs experienced a fatal incident around the New York Stock Exchange, I would not lose any sleep. For the record as a social liberal, and a fiscal conservative, I would condemn any use of violence on Wall Street, at least publicly. I believe this was also John Hancock's attitude during the Boston Tea Party.

There you go Preius.. I suspected you'd endorse a KristalNacht like "message" to the scapegoats you've selected as an enemy.. Don't bother responding to RATIONAL debate -- like you dodged my response to you yesterday.. http://www.usmessageboard.com/4267291-post1040.html

Just go for the punchline. Good Job.. Nancy Pelosi is REAL PROUD of your conviction..

Please, for the sake of those of us who actually read you, write for CLARITY first. I have no idea who KristaNacht is, so now I have to Google. Kristallnacht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Apparently, you think I hate Hebrew People, I will tell you this as a WASP, if it were not for my close Hebrew ties, my career would not be as advanced as it is at my age. I have had clients, (Jewish and others) request me specifically on their accounts because of my reputation.

I like Pelosi and Reid, but I do not get down on a rug and bow every morning like Repubs do to Austin, Texas for Rick Perry. I am a disgruntled Dem who is unhappy that President Barry Obama would consider cutting Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security. This is totally unacceptable. Pelosi and Reid have stuck to their guns. While I respect that, it is REQUIRED OF DEMS as far as I am concerned.

I have not dodged a single post of yours. In fact I went back for a post you complained about because I missed it. It would appear that the entire purpose of this post has to do with Jewish people, which I have responded to - even though it is off-topic. Do you actually think about what you post, or do you just dump whatever pops into your mind at the moment?

The subject of this thread is "Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows"​

 

[freedombecki]

Preius::

Thanks, we can hand the rest of it from here, but you are welcome to sign up with us. We hate Wall Street Millionaires, Republicans and Democrats. In the end the only ones who will stand up for the 1% are the 1%. Even some of them have joined the 99%, they are known as Patriotic Millionaires

Sorry I'm not impressed.. What do you want? A big ass thank-you for the grandstanding "patriotism"? How about they all wear Red,White, and Blue armbands so that we can bow at their feet?

First off -- Very few of America's Millionaires are Wall Street. The vast majority of the 100s of THOUSANDS of Millionaires in America are Entertainers, Sports Figures, Authors, Inventors, or are HARD-WORKING business people. Those making a living STRICTLY as corporate execs or financial figures is a miniscule portion of the 1%.

By villifying the Capitalist System and focusing the scapegoating on Wall Street -- the left has done the neccessary propagandizing to focus outrage on the MINORITY of "the rich" in order to plunder them all. There is no justification for plundering Hollywood --- or is there???

When the cast of Two and a Half Men have 4 stars that pull down over $200,000 per episode while the starving walk-ons mixing Jamba Juices in their real jobs make $200 per episode -- there's no outrage is there?

When the uniform management crew of the Baltimore Ravens make $25,000 and the quarterback makes $25Mill -- there's no outrage is there? YET the MAJORITY of Millionaires in this country are protected from the mobs for THEIR skyrocketing wages and benefits. How damn convienient.

You're fooling yourselves if you think that punishing Jay Leno, Phil Mickelson and Justin Bieber is akin to "patriotism". And your "Flea Party" is nothing other than a bunch of misinformed scavengers picking apart what's left of the carcass of an economy that NO ONE wants to fix..

I think I'll start a "Patriotic Have-Nots" Those 49% of American filers who currently pay NOTHING to the General Fund. THey are all gonna pledge 1% of their WAGES to patriotic subsidization of BIGGER more arrogant, more incompetent Government. Now THAT would deserve a standing ovation for MEANINGFUL sacrifice... Wouldn't it?

First, I am sorry I missed your post. I always go back to my previous posts looking for needed responses from me. Apparently, I missed this one. This is one fast thread!

name calling..

Next time you want to name-call, just put the words in the upper left hand corner in large size bold red letters in your post. I barely scan that stuff anyway, which may be why I missed your post. This will save you time, and I will get the message about your attitude toward me or the subject at hand.

I am not writing off millionaires as a group. How can you not like people like David Letterman, Scott Pelley, Meryl Streep, or Shirley MacLaine to name a few. Actually, here in Southern California, Shirley MacLaine is better known for her activism in politics, successful business ventures, and as a published author. Her extraordinary career in entertainment, and as the only female member of Frank Sinatra's former 'rat pack.' seems to be more a part of her colorful past.

I often post that I believe capitalism and socialism in America are merging into American Socialism. In fact the only remnants of capitalism left in the United States seems to be the right of inheritance and financial rewards for new ideas. Socialism is in effect, and it was the REPUBLICANS that made American taxpayers into shareholders. A fact we will never let Republicans forget. It was not the Democrats that jump-started socialism as part of American life!

In answer to your Republican Party talking point of last week, (which was later dropped as just plain stupid), 49% of Americans pay no tax because they fall under the Federal poverty line and owe no tax. Another circumstance we can blame on Republicans for outsourcing jobs to the third world. However, these 49% are still liable for property tax, and sales tax which are regressive taxes, (wealthy and poor pay the same amount for a pack of gum at CVS).

Bottom line, there are self-serving bastards at all financial levels, unfortunately, when the wealth are nasty, a lot more people get hurt.

Actually, the most recent job outsourcing goes to President Obama's appointed Job Czar, Jeffrey Immelt. He is also CEO of General electric, who just sent tens of thousands of American jobs to China, along with two billion in start-up costs in July, 6 months after his appointment as America's preserver of jobs in America.

I don't expect someone new to politics to digest this all at once, but what you hear someone say is not always what you really get.

Obama's Head of Jobs Council outsources tens of thousands of American jobs to China.

 

[Unkotare]

Try saying something logical and we'll find out.

We already did, and you're still an asshole.

"We"? Are you trying to hide in a crowd, loser?

 

[flacaltenn]

Preius::

Thanks, we can hand the rest of it from here, but you are welcome to sign up with us. We hate Wall Street Millionaires, Republicans and Democrats. In the end the only ones who will stand up for the 1% are the 1%. Even some of them have joined the 99%, they are known as Patriotic Millionaires

Sorry I'm not impressed.. What do you want? A big ass thank-you for the grandstanding "patriotism"? How about they all wear Red,White, and Blue armbands so that we can bow at their feet?

First off -- Very few of America's Millionaires are Wall Street. The vast majority of the 100s of THOUSANDS of Millionaires in America are Entertainers, Sports Figures, Authors, Inventors, or are HARD-WORKING business people. Those making a living STRICTLY as corporate execs or financial figures is a miniscule portion of the 1%.

By villifying the Capitalist System and focusing the scapegoating on Wall Street -- the left has done the neccessary propagandizing to focus outrage on the MINORITY of "the rich" in order to plunder them all. There is no justification for plundering Hollywood --- or is there???

When the cast of Two and a Half Men have 4 stars that pull down over $200,000 per episode while the starving walk-ons mixing Jamba Juices in their real jobs make $200 per episode -- there's no outrage is there?

When the uniform management crew of the Baltimore Ravens make $25,000 and the quarterback makes $25Mill -- there's no outrage is there? YET the MAJORITY of Millionaires in this country are protected from the mobs for THEIR skyrocketing wages and benefits. How damn convienient.

You're fooling yourselves if you think that punishing Jay Leno, Phil Mickelson and Justin Bieber is akin to "patriotism". And your "Flea Party" is nothing other than a bunch of misinformed scavengers picking apart what's left of the carcass of an economy that NO ONE wants to fix..

I think I'll start a "Patriotic Have-Nots" Those 49% of American filers who currently pay NOTHING to the General Fund. THey are all gonna pledge 1% of their WAGES to patriotic subsidization of BIGGER more arrogant, more incompetent Government. Now THAT would deserve a standing ovation for MEANINGFUL sacrifice... Wouldn't it?

First, I am sorry I missed your post. I always go back to my previous posts looking for needed responses from me. Apparently, I missed this one. This is one fast thread!

name calling..

Next time you want to name-call, just put the words in the upper left hand corner in large size bold red letters in your post. I barely scan that stuff anyway, which may be why I missed your post. This will save you time, and I will get the message about your attitude toward me or the subject at hand.

I am not writing off millionaires as a group. How can you not like people like David Letterman, Scott Pelley, Meryl Streep, or Shirley MacLaine to name a few. Actually, here in Southern California, Shirley MacLaine is better known for her activism in politics, successful business ventures, and as a published author. Her extraordinary career in entertainment, and as the only female member of Frank Sinatra's former 'rat pack.' seems to be more a part of her colorful past.

I often post that I believe capitalism and socialism in America are merging into American Socialism. In fact the only remnants of capitalism left in the United States seems to be the right of inheritance and financial rewards for new ideas. Socialism is in effect, and it was the REPUBLICANS that made American taxpayers into shareholders. A fact we will never let Republicans forget. It was not the Democrats that jump-started socialism as part of American life!

In answer to your Republican Party talking point of last week, (which was later dropped as just plain stupid), 49% of Americans pay no tax because they fall under the Federal poverty line and owe no tax. Another circumstance we can blame on Republicans for outsourcing jobs to the third world. However, these 49% are still liable for property tax, and sales tax which are regressive taxes, (wealthy and poor pay the same amount for a pack of gum at CVS).

Bottom line, there are self-serving bastards at all financial levels, unfortunately, when the wealth are nasty, a lot more people get hurt.

Oh so now you're in a talking mood?? I'm under no delusion that the Repubs can trusted with the Power to dole out favors and pick winners/losers. I've been active in 3rd party politics for over 10 years. But I doubt there's enough idiots in the Repub camp that are willing to create a BIGGER teate for the parasites to suck on. The answer to GOVT/CORP collusion is to keep checks on the amount of power that can be controlled by a 2 party monopoly that we all know is crooked beyond belief. It's THOSE thieves and clowns that are problem. And REDUCED meddling in the market is the answer.

There is no formal tie of tax liability to "Federal Poverty Level" as you assert. That's NOT a consideration in the formation of the tax brackets at all. In fact income has no correlation to wealth. Most of my Cali Buds lived in 800,000 homes with 2 luxury cars, a cabin in Tahoe and a kid at Stanford -- but their net worth was probably shy of 100,000. This class thing is a trickier deal than you assume.

In fact, property tax and sales tax have NO bearing on the discussion of corporate influence on government or who pays into the Federal Gen Fund. There is a fact that about 46% of federal tax filers are EXEMPT from paying ANYTHING to the Feds except for FICA taxes which are premiums for socialist INSURANCE programs that are supposed to be UNIVERSAL. It's not a talking point. It's a reality. Other realities are:

1) The top 1% of income earners make 18% of all income.
2) The top 1% of income earners pay 38% of all Income Tax.

Sorry -- that's not debateable. Now local and state might be regressive, but property tax for instance usually goes 70% or more to UNIVERSAL PUBLIC education. Another program for which folks are ASSUMED to participate.

I know why you nutcases have singled out FREE MARKET villians for your wrath -- rather than the MAJORITY of American Millionaires who have very little to do with Wall Street. And that's because YOU DO want to build a bigger GOVT ATM machine. And you can't stand the idea that the mechanism of Capitalism isn't at your beckon call for your service.

Tough luck that...

 

[Si modo]

Yes, but that's not what's happening here. We have seen claims that:

1) OWS is demanding $20 minimum wage and a general cancellation of debts.
2) The protesters intend to invade the stock exchange and kill everybody.
3) The protesters are shitting all over the streets and leaving litter everywhere and destroying property.
4) The protesters are engaging in all-night orgies.
5) The protests are all organized by Van Jones/Barack Obama/George Soros/the labor unions/[insert liberal-of-the-moment]

All of these are lies. Not one of these claims has any foundation in fact or has been supported with any hard evidence whatsoever.

I think it's quite telling when people are so worried about a movement that they feel it's worth lying about it in order to discredit it.

Yeah -- it's an evil job making all that stuff up.. And the truth is --- the "right" sucks at it.

For real demonizing -- whether it's a Repub woman or black or a mere "non-approved" idea -- NOTHING beats the leftist smear machine..

I just sit here and watch the bombardment go over my position..

There are many ideas being thrown around by just ordinary people in the 99% Occupy movement. The leaders are intentionally staying away from specific issues. This country was founded on extreme violence such as burning the homes of British tax collectors, and perhaps even murder.

Your point #2 about entering the stock exchange and killing everyone would be a sad thing for the families of those who might die. On the other hand, we are a violent people hiding behind a lot of great concepts. Many see themselves out of work and losing their homes while Wall Streeters continue to make millions. I would understand if violence occurred. It would be a pity for the 1%.

I can see where the level of anger might be along the lines of patriots during the American revolution. What if you had lost your home or your job through no fault of your own and your unemployment was running out. Desperation can become violence easily. Within our highly moral concepts of government are Second Amendment solutions. If it were to happen I would be sad, and not helpful to the political end of things. On the other hand, what goes around comes around. Unfortunately, an eye for an eye is a consistently realistic concept for human beings.

Let me put it this way, if a few hedge fund manager, or CEOs experienced a fatal incident around the New York Stock Exchange, I would not lose any sleep. For the record as a social liberal, and a fiscal conservative, I would condemn any use of violence on Wall Street, at least publicly. I believe this was also John Hancock's attitude during the Boston Tea Party.

Intentional hateful rhetoric calling for violence, again, from you.

When folks get hurt, blood is on your hands.

 

[flacaltenn]

There are many ideas being thrown around by just ordinary people in the 99% Occupy movement. The leaders are intentionally staying away from specific issues. This country was founded on extreme violence such as burning the homes of British tax collectors, and perhaps even murder.

The subject of this thread is "Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows"

Your point #2 about entering the stock exchange and killing everyone would be a sad thing for the families of those who might die. On the other hand, we are a violent people hiding behind a lot of great concepts. Many see themselves out of work and losing their homes while Wall Streeters continue to make millions. I would understand if violence occurred. It would be a pity for the 1%.

I can see where the level of anger might be along the lines of patriots during the American revolution. What if you had lost your home or your job through no fault of your own and your unemployment was running out. Desperation can become violence easily. Within our highly moral concepts of government are Second Amendment solutions. If it were to happen I would be sad, and not helpful to the political end of things. On the other hand, what goes around comes around. Unfortunately, an eye for an eye is a consistently realistic concept for human beings.

Let me put it this way, if a few hedge fund manager, or CEOs experienced a fatal incident around the New York Stock Exchange, I would not lose any sleep. For the record as a social liberal, and a fiscal conservative, I would condemn any use of violence on Wall Street, at least publicly. I believe this was also John Hancock's attitude during the Boston Tea Party.

There you go Preius.. I suspected you'd endorse a KristalNacht like "message" to the scapegoats you've selected as an enemy.. Don't bother responding to RATIONAL debate -- like you dodged my response to you yesterday.. http://www.usmessageboard.com/4267291-post1040.html

Just go for the punchline. Good Job.. Nancy Pelosi is REAL PROUD of your conviction..

Please, for the sake of those of us who actually read you, write for CLARITY first. I have no idea who KristaNacht is, so now I have to Google. Kristallnacht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Apparently, you think I hate Hebrew People, I will tell you this as a WASP, if it were not for my close Hebrew ties, my career would not be as advanced as it is at my age. I have had clients, (Jewish and others) request me specifically on their accounts because of my reputation.

I like Pelosi and Reid, but I do not get down on a rug and bow every morning like Repubs do to Austin, Texas for Rick Perry. I am a disgruntled Dem who is unhappy that President Barry Obama would consider cutting Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security. This is totally unacceptable. Pelosi and Reid have stuck to their guns. While I respect that, it is REQUIRED OF DEMS as far as I am concerned.

I have not dodged a single post of yours. In fact I went back for a post you complained about because I missed it. It would appear that the entire purpose of this post has to do with Jewish people, which I have responded to - even though it is off-topic. Do you actually think about what you post, or do you just dump whatever pops into your mind at the moment?

The subject of this thread is "Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows"​

Sorry -- I assume that since you're so opinionated, you'd also be historically literate. You missed the analogy. Not about the Jews in particular. It's about scapegoating. It was the ultimate brilliant propaganda move to deflect the Aryan German attention from the failings of the German GOvt to preserve economic stability. Find a convienient scapegoat. Blame them that a loaf of bread cost a wheelbarrow full of DeuscheMarks and light their world on fire. Separate them out. Accuse the convienient minority target of being greedy and corrupt. Reduce them to collateral damage in the battle to control the Reich.. Nice play. I've seen it before.

And you have dodged LOADS of my questions. Especially the ones concerning why you're not outraged at wage inequities in Hollywood or the Arts or Pro Sports biz.. Because that's where the MAJORITY of American Millionaires are. But we all know why that is.

 

[Dragon]

From The Onion:

Ifc Obama Seeks Approval Of 'Occupy Wall Street' Protestors By Punching Banker In The Face | The Onion - America's Finest News Source | Onion News Network

"NEW YORK, NY (October 12, 2011) - Apparently seeking to ride the wave of popular anger being expressed by the growing "Occupy Wall Street" movement, today President Obama punched an investment banker in the face.

"The punch occurred during a White House meet-and-greet around noon. After a brief speech on tax reform, President Obama called investment banker Ron Milner to the podium and then, without provocation or warning, delivered what witnesses describe as a "haymaker" punch to Mr. Milner's jaw. "That's for ruining the economy, asshole," Mr. Obama remarked, then spit at Mr. Milner's feet and walked away."

 

[Katzndogz]

Meanwhile, even as this evil regime moans about unemployment and personal losses, the administration takes concrete steps to exacerbate the losses. Raise taxes, increase regulations, or, as in the case of Gibson Guitar manufacturers DEMAND that it move out of the country.

The democrats are arsonists, burning down the national house so it can complain about the ashes.

 

[Unkotare]

From The Onion:

Ifc Obama Seeks Approval Of 'Occupy Wall Street' Protestors By Punching Banker In The Face | The Onion - America's Finest News Source | Onion News Network

"NEW YORK, NY (October 12, 2011) - Apparently seeking to ride the wave of popular anger being expressed by the growing "Occupy Wall Street" movement, today President Obama punched an investment banker in the face.

"The punch occurred during a White House meet-and-greet around noon. After a brief speech on tax reform, President Obama called investment banker Ron Milner to the podium and then, without provocation or warning, delivered what witnesses describe as a "haymaker" punch to Mr. Milner's jaw. "That's for ruining the economy, asshole," Mr. Obama remarked, then spit at Mr. Milner's feet and walked away."

Tee-hee! Did that make you and the other girls jump up and down giggling? What fun!


Yeah, that's about the level you and the uwashed, empty-headed, emo-vagrants are at. Congratulations you punk ass, useless little bitch.

 

[chanel]

Yep. Vick gets 100 mil and his fans say he's worth every dime. And many of those fans are out of work.

I just had a very sobering conversation with a "banker friend" She said the new "Obama regs" are expected to cost the bank 500 mil by the end of the year. They are expecting mass layoffs. That should thrill the OWS crowd. Get those evil bankers!

Do they have any fucking clue who these "evil doers" are?

 

[Dragon]

Yeah, that's about the level you and the uwashed, empty-headed, emo-vagrants are at. Congratulations you punk ass, useless little bitch.

How old are you, Unkotare? Are you a pimply-faced teenager, or do you just have the maturity of one?

 

[Dragon]

Meanwhile, even as this evil regime moans about unemployment and personal losses, the administration takes concrete steps to exacerbate the losses. Raise taxes, increase regulations, or, as in the case of Gibson Guitar manufacturers DEMAND that it move out of the country.

Raising taxes and increasing regulations do not cause loss of jobs. Companies hire because they have customers they can't serve with the staff hey have already. If the demand exists to justify it, they will hire, taxes or no taxes, regs or no regs. If it isn't, they won't -- taxes or no taxes, regs or no regs.

Right-wing economics is a lie.

As for Gibson, I remind you that treaties are incorporated into U.S. law and the government is responsible for enforcing the law.

The democrats are arsonists, burning down the national house so it can complain about the ashes.

Isn't this thread supposed to be about Occupy Wall Street? Why are you talking about the Democrats?

 

[Katzndogz]

The democrats are behind the entire OWS movement. The democrats intend to use this as a reelection ploy, which is a HUGE gamble. It is the Hail Mary Pass of all Hail Mary Passes.

Why would anyone believe democrats? Really. On what basis?

The democrats want gun control and democrat voters are happy about that. It will make us all safer (except the criminals will still have their guns).

The democrats want to confiscate the privately held wealth of the nation and democrat voters are happy about that. It's fair, it needs to be done.

Democrat voters as opposed to democrat politicians really believe that once the government has taxed away all these riches, it really will redistribute that wealth to the "needy". Do you honestly believe this will happen? Really? You trust them that much? Why? On what basis? Of course, when the democrats in government have their totalitarianism, their control, that dictatorship, they won't redistribute anything. It didn't happen in Cuba, in Russia, in China, or in any other communist country. Even in the glorious French Revolution that the democrats prize so highly as a model, the Jacobins didn't part with the wealth once they took it from the aritstocrats.

So, now you have the government seizing financial institutions, businesses, factories, and refusing at the last minute to do what YOU thought it would do. What are you going to do about it? When the government renegs on all those golden promises and laughes at the shitty asses mooning the white house, do you think you are going to fight back? After all you have already helped the government disarm the people. You were happy about that.

We have produced a population of magnificent ignorance. Total baboonism.

 

[Dragon]

The democrats are behind the entire OWS movement.

Ah. And you say this based on what information exactly?

Which Democrat came up with the signs carried by protesters that accused Obama of selling out to Wall Street? Did they screw up, or is this some kind of clever ploy that nobody understands?

 

[percysunshine]

Meanwhile, even as this evil regime moans about unemployment and personal losses, the administration takes concrete steps to exacerbate the losses. Raise taxes, increase regulations, or, as in the case of Gibson Guitar manufacturers DEMAND that it move out of the country.

Raising taxes and increasing regulations do not cause loss of jobs. Companies hire because they have customers they can't serve with the staff hey have already. If the demand exists to justify it, they will hire, taxes or no taxes, regs or no regs. If it isn't, they won't -- taxes or no taxes, regs or no regs.

Right-wing economics is a lie.

As for Gibson, I remind you that treaties are incorporated into U.S. law and the government is responsible for enforcing the law.

The democrats are arsonists, burning down the national house so it can complain about the ashes.

Isn't this thread supposed to be about Occupy Wall Street? Why are you talking about the Democrats?

Michael Vick was a democrat with a pit bull.