Official Coronavirus Thread - Up to the minute Coronavirus map and count.

Now a doctor friend pointed me to an article he found where the author makes the case that we may be greatly overestimating the effect of corona with situational bias and it may turn out no worse than the ordinary flu.

The CDC reports 61,000 dead from the flu during the 2017-18 season ... are we there yet?, end-of-season is April 1st ...
 
In an "abundance of caution" L.A. County just shut down close to 95% of all economic activity. All that remains open are grocery stores, pharmacies, financial institutions, caregivers, mail services and restaurants serving takeout and delivery orders, among others.

189 deaths in three months within a population of 327 million. That's the approximate death rate for common cold complications in the sick and elderly.

Is the cure worse than the disease? You damn betcha.

Actually Dimbulb, it's 218 deaths, but of course by the time this post goes up it will likely increase again. Number two, you don't compare a selective death rate with the entire population ---- you compare it with the number actually infected. Can't very well suffer from an infection you don't have, now can you?

And number three, so far today there are two countries in the world reporting more than five thousand new cases within the last 24 hours. One of them is Italy. The other one is US.

Back in your hole now.
But as libs keep pointing out the US has tested very few people

so logically many more have the chinese virus that we dont know about

which makes the death rate lower

Testing is still catching up with actual infections, yes, no doubt.

The death rate hasn't been established yet. We don't know that until it's all over. For that matter we don't know how many got infected until then either.
I think its pretty sure that 99% of the people who catch the commie virus will live
 
In an "abundance of caution" L.A. County just shut down close to 95% of all economic activity. All that remains open are grocery stores, pharmacies, financial institutions, caregivers, mail services and restaurants serving takeout and delivery orders, among others.

189 deaths in three months within a population of 327 million. That's the approximate death rate for common cold complications in the sick and elderly.

Is the cure worse than the disease? You damn betcha.

Actually Dimbulb, it's 218 deaths, but of course by the time this post goes up it will likely increase again. Number two, you don't compare a selective death rate with the entire population ---- you compare it with the number actually infected. Can't very well suffer from an infection you don't have, now can you?

And number three, so far today there are two countries in the world reporting more than five thousand new cases within the last 24 hours. One of them is Italy. The other one is US.

Back in your hole now.
But as libs keep pointing out the US has tested very few people

so logically many more have the chinese virus that we dont know about

which makes the death rate lower

Testing is still catching up with actual infections, yes, no doubt.

The death rate hasn't been established yet. We don't know that until it's all over. For that matter we don't know how many got infected until then either.
I think its pretty sure that 99% of the people who catch the commie virus will live

The stats we have so far --- from everywhere, aggregated --- say out of 100,413 cases that had a resolution (either died or recovered), ten percent died.

89,918 (90%)
Recovered / Discharged

10,495 (10%)
Deaths

About 156,000 more cases are currently active.
 
In an "abundance of caution" L.A. County just shut down close to 95% of all economic activity. All that remains open are grocery stores, pharmacies, financial institutions, caregivers, mail services and restaurants serving takeout and delivery orders, among others.

189 deaths in three months within a population of 327 million. That's the approximate death rate for common cold complications in the sick and elderly.

Is the cure worse than the disease? You damn betcha.

Actually Dimbulb, it's 218 deaths, but of course by the time this post goes up it will likely increase again. Number two, you don't compare a selective death rate with the entire population ---- you compare it with the number actually infected. Can't very well suffer from an infection you don't have, now can you?

And number three, so far today there are two countries in the world reporting more than five thousand new cases within the last 24 hours. One of them is Italy. The other one is US.

Back in your hole now.
But as libs keep pointing out the US has tested very few people

so logically many more have the chinese virus that we dont know about

which makes the death rate lower

Testing is still catching up with actual infections, yes, no doubt.

The death rate hasn't been established yet. We don't know that until it's all over. For that matter we don't know how many got infected until then either.
I think its pretty sure that 99% of the people who catch the commie virus will live

The stats we have so far --- from everywhere, aggregated --- say out of 100,413 cases that had a resolution (either died or recovered), ten percent died.

89,918 (90%)
Recovered / Discharged

10,495 (10%)
Deaths

About 156,000 more cases are currently active.
S korea is doing much better than that, about .6%

italy maybe worse

the point is that the vast majority of the public is not tested

we only know about people with advanced symptoms

Healthcare workers are complaining that they are not getting tested at all
 
Actually Dimbulb, it's 218 deaths, but of course by the time this post goes up it will likely increase again. Number two, you don't compare a selective death rate with the entire population ---- you compare it with the number actually infected. Can't very well suffer from an infection you don't have, now can you?

And number three, so far today there are two countries in the world reporting more than five thousand new cases within the last 24 hours. One of them is Italy. The other one is US.

Back in your hole now.
But as libs keep pointing out the US has tested very few people

so logically many more have the chinese virus that we dont know about

which makes the death rate lower

Testing is still catching up with actual infections, yes, no doubt.

The death rate hasn't been established yet. We don't know that until it's all over. For that matter we don't know how many got infected until then either.
I think its pretty sure that 99% of the people who catch the commie virus will live

The stats we have so far --- from everywhere, aggregated --- say out of 100,413 cases that had a resolution (either died or recovered), ten percent died.

89,918 (90%)
Recovered / Discharged

10,495 (10%)
Deaths

About 156,000 more cases are currently active.
S korea is doing much better than that, about .6%

italy maybe worse

the point is that the vast majority of the public is not tested

we only know about people with advanced symptoms

Healthcare workers are complaining that they are not getting tested at all

Actually South Korea is around 4% ---

2,327
Cases which had an outcome:

2,233 (96%)
Recovered / Discharged

94 (4%)
Deaths

China is about the same. Italy is definitely worse, around 43%. The Recovery numbers go up as time goes by since more time is needed to recover than to die. Our current number is 64% (125 recoveries/218 deaths) but that's also not a realistic figure until sufficient time has passed to give those thousands of active cases a chance to resolve.
 
Actually Dimbulb, it's 218 deaths, but of course by the time this post goes up it will likely increase again. Number two, you don't compare a selective death rate with the entire population ---- you compare it with the number actually infected. Can't very well suffer from an infection you don't have, now can you?

And number three, so far today there are two countries in the world reporting more than five thousand new cases within the last 24 hours. One of them is Italy. The other one is US.

Back in your hole now.
But as libs keep pointing out the US has tested very few people

so logically many more have the chinese virus that we dont know about

which makes the death rate lower

Testing is still catching up with actual infections, yes, no doubt.

The death rate hasn't been established yet. We don't know that until it's all over. For that matter we don't know how many got infected until then either.
I think its pretty sure that 99% of the people who catch the commie virus will live

The stats we have so far --- from everywhere, aggregated --- say out of 100,413 cases that had a resolution (either died or recovered), ten percent died.

89,918 (90%)
Recovered / Discharged

10,495 (10%)
Deaths

About 156,000 more cases are currently active.
S korea is doing much better than that, about .6%

italy maybe worse

the point is that the vast majority of the public is not tested

we only know about people with advanced symptoms

Healthcare workers are complaining that they are not getting tested at all
You gave no reference but mine says .6%

South Korea has tested 140,000 people for the coronavirus. That could explain why its death rate is just 0.6% — far lower than in China or the US.
 
But as libs keep pointing out the US has tested very few people

so logically many more have the chinese virus that we dont know about

which makes the death rate lower

Testing is still catching up with actual infections, yes, no doubt.

The death rate hasn't been established yet. We don't know that until it's all over. For that matter we don't know how many got infected until then either.
I think its pretty sure that 99% of the people who catch the commie virus will live

The stats we have so far --- from everywhere, aggregated --- say out of 100,413 cases that had a resolution (either died or recovered), ten percent died.

89,918 (90%)
Recovered / Discharged

10,495 (10%)
Deaths

About 156,000 more cases are currently active.
S korea is doing much better than that, about .6%

italy maybe worse

the point is that the vast majority of the public is not tested

we only know about people with advanced symptoms

Healthcare workers are complaining that they are not getting tested at all
You gave no reference but mine says .6%

South Korea has tested 140,000 people for the coronavirus. That could explain why its death rate is just 0.6% — far lower than in China or the US.

The reference is here, the same page we've been using all along.

"Death rate" means how many of the cases that came to a resolution, came to the resolution of death. It doesn't mean number of deaths compared to number of infections. It can't mean that. The former is absolute and the latter is dynamic. You don't know how many of those infections will eventually end in death. So if you're counting it that way you're counting non-deaths that do not exist.

You can click on the name "South Korea" (or any country with a link) to see the comparison directly.
 
Another "nasty question" because he can't handle it.
Right, because he is a thin skinned, incapable babyman who lacks the basic human trait of empathy.

And like the last "nasty" question, he never answered it at all.
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Here’s A Timeline Of The Coronavirus Outbreak And China’s Coverup [Began in NOVEMBER!]

www.dailywire.com ^ | March 20th, 2020 | By Ashe Schow

The U.S. State Department on Thursday released two timelines: The first about the coronavirus outbreak and the second about the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) coverup of the outbreak.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo explained to Fox News’ Sean Hannity earlier this week to talk about China’s “disinformation campaign” regarding the coronavirus.

“This disinformation campaign, which began when we began to call out this risk that was created not only for the Chinese people, but now we can see people all across the world where the Chinese Government knew about this risk, had identified it, they were the first to know, and they wasted valuable days at the front end, allowing hundreds of thousands of people to leave Wuhan to go to places like Italy that’s now suffering so badly. They tried to suppress this information – you talked about the means by which they did it – instead of trying to actually do the work to suppress the virus, which is what the world demanded. And the Chinese Communist Party didn’t get it right and put countless lives at risk as a result of that,” Pompeo said.

Below is a compiled list of both the outbreak and coverup timelines.

November 17: The first case of someone suffering from COVID-19 occurs in Wuhan, according to the South China Morning Post

December 10: Wei Guixian, sold goods in Wuhan’s wet market, reportedly started feeling sick on this day. Thankfully, she was released from the hospital in January, The Wall Street Journal reported.

December 27: Zhang Jixian, a doctor at the Hubei Provincial Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine, sounds the alarm about a new disease that has already affected 180 patients, the Morning Post reported.

December 26-30: The first evidence of the new virus is revealed through Wuhan patient data, which had been sent to multiple Chinese genomics companies, Caixin Global reported.

Hubei’s health commission orders a genomics company to stop testing the new virus and destroy all samples, according to an anonymous source in Caixin Global.

December 31: More than a month after the first incident of COVID-19, Chinese officials alert the World Health Organization (WHO) China Country Office about pneumonia with an unknown cause affecting people in Wuhan, Caixin Global reported.

Chinese Internet authorities started censoring terms relating to the virus on social media, including “Wuhan Unknown Pneumonia,” “SARS Variation,” “Wuhan Seafood Market,” and anything critical of the government’s response to the disease, Citizen Lab reported.

January 1: Eight doctors, including Dr. Li Wenliang, are detained and questioned by the Chinese government, who condemn them for “making false statements on the Internet,” CNN reported. Li is then forced to write a letter saying his warnings “had a negative impact,” the Journal reported.

Caixin Global reported that the Hubei health commission ordered genomics companies to stop testing the virus and destroy samples, confirming its earlier report.

The Wuhan seafood market where the virus allegedly first broke out was finally closed, though it is then “disinfected” without swabbing the individual animal cages or drawing any blood from the workers, meaning the evidence of what may have been the source of the virus was destroyed, the Times reported.

January 3: China’s National Health Commission issued a gag order and ordering pneumonia samples moved to designated testing facilities or destroyed. The Commission also orders institutions not to publish any information about the still unknown disease, Caixin Global reported.

January 5: Professor Zhang Yongzhen of the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Center provided the genomic sequence of the virus to Chinese authorities. On the same day, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission stopped releasing daily updates on new cases, the Journal reported.

January 9: WHO released a statement about the cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan, suggesting the cases pointed to a coronavirus as the possible pathogen causing the issues. The statement also said China ruled out SARS, MERS, influenza, bird flu, and other common pathogens.

January 10: Wang Guangfa, a prominent People’s Republic of China government expert, told state broadcaster China Central Television that the pneumonia outbreak was “under control” and downplayed the virus as a “mild condition,” the Times reported.

January 11: Because the Chinese government took no action on Yongzhen’s genomic sequence, he published the data online to help the world work on testing methods, the Morning Post reported.

January 12: The National Health Commission shared the virus genomic information with the WHO for the first time, Caixin Global reported. On this same day, Youngzhen’s lab in Shanghai is closed for “rectification,” the Morning Post reported.

January 14: WHO said there may have been human-to-human transmission of the virus, Reuters reported. Also on this day, Chinese police wearing plainclothes start detaining journalists trying to report on the outbreak at Wuhan’s Jinyintan Hospital. The journalists are forced to delete any footage taken and hand over their phones and cameras for inspection, Business Insider and the Times reported.

January 15: Li Qun, head of the Chinese Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) emergency center, claims the risk of human-to-human transmission is “low,” the Journal reported.

January 17: After 12 days, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission started giving daily updates on new cases of the coronavirus.

January 18: Despite the presence of the coronavirus, Wuhan holds a “potluck” banquet for 40,000 families to try and break a world record, The New York Times reported.

January 20: Dr. Zhong Nanshan, who helped fight SARS, says in a TV interview that the coronavirus is spreading from person to person. Nanshan also said later that if the Chinese government had acted in December or early January to contain the virus, “the number of sick would have been greatly reduced, the Journal reported.

This same day, Wuhan Mayor Zhou Xianwang said Beijing rules kept him from disclosing information about the threat of the coronavirus, the Journal reported.

January 23: Wuhan is finally locked down, even though about 5 million people had already left the city without being screened by that time.

February 6: China President Xi Jinping orders the country’s Internet watchdog to further control social media platforms, the Morning Post reported. On this same day, citizen journalist Chen Qiushi, who was also a former rights attorney, disappeared in Wuhan after posting footage from overcrowded hospitals and panicking families, the Times reported.

February 7: Dr. Li Wenliang dies of the coronavirus, which he contracted from a patient. Wenliang was detained for sounding the alarm on the virus, the Journal reported.

February 9: Another citizen journalist, Fang Bin, who was also a local businessman, disappeared after posting videos from Wuhan on Chinese social media, the Times reported.

February 15: President Xi tightened control over Internet discussion even further, the Agence Free-Presse reported. On this same day, activist Xu Zhiyong was arrested for a February 4 essay calling for Xi to resign for suppressing information about the coronavirus. Xu had been on the run for two months, NPR reported.

February 16: Professor Xu Zhangrun was put on house arrest and banned from social media and the Internet for publishing an essay stating “The coronavirus epidemic has revealed the rotten core of Chinese governance,” The Guardian reported.

February 19: Reporters for the Journal had their press credentials revoked by Beijing over their coverage of the coronavirus outbreak, the Journal reported.

March 14: Another activist, Ren Zhiqiang, disappeared in Beijing after criticizing the way Xi responded to the coronavirus, the Times reported.

Novel coronavirus cases could have been reduced by 95 percent had China responded to the outbreak just three weeks earlier than it did, a March 13 study by the University of Southampton has found.

President Xi Jinping’s The Yellow Peril ChiCom Wuhan Pneumonia Novel Coronavirus aka the Red Death/Mass People Killing Virus, Chinobyl#2, The Yellow Peril, Made in China!

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With 5,598 new cases reported today the US is virtually tied with Iran and Germany in raw numbers of CV cases, all three between 19 and 20 thousand. Only Spain, Italy and China have more.
 
Very few Americans have died from the virus. Those that have died have had significant medical issues before they got the virus.

Pretty much like the flu every year.

The Obama era swine flu killed around ten thousand Americans. We all shrugged and life went on.

We hear of every new case of the bug now. Like Mike Rowe said, what if the MSM reported every car accident as it occurred?

The Chinese virus is an unknown and may or may not be a big deal. But crushing the economy as is occurring IS a DEFINITE big deal that is having significant impacts upon ALL Americans.
 
I don't understand why all these Democratic Governors want to destroy our economy.
 

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