Official Thread for Denial of GreenHouse Effect and Radiative Physics.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Still confused? Work was done to make the ice cream.
IR from the ice cream can now flow toward the room temperature camera. LOL!

Work = Force x distance...describe the work being done to move the IR from the ice cream to the sensor in the camera...and do describe where the heat resulting from this work goes

Not even the Handbook of Modern Sensors, eh? DURR

The Handbook of Modern Sensors stated in plain language that the energy was moving from the camera to the cooler object...then he showed a drawing of an unobservable, unmeasurable, untestable model...the book clearly stated that the sensor was cooling down...

But do describe the nature of the work being done to move the energy from the cooler ice cream to the warmer camera..

Work = Force x distance...describe the work being done to move the IR from the ice cream to the sensor in the camera...and do describe where the heat resulting from this work goes

This is this first time I've seen you limit your definition of work like this.
Does this conflict with your previous claims about work?

The Handbook of Modern Sensors stated in plain language that the energy was moving from the camera to the cooler object...

It stated that energy was moving both ways. Despite your claim that it only moves one way.

Still waiting...describe the work...you claimed that work was being done to move the energy from the cold ice cream to the warmer camera....what work? Or were you just making it up as you go...

And the drawing of an unobservable, unmeasurable, untestable model hardly makes your case...the book clearly stated that the energy was moving out of the camera towards the cooler object...

describe the work...you claimed that work was being done to move the energy from the cold ice cream to the warmer camera.

No. You said energy can't move spontaneously from cold to warm without previous work.
Work was done to manufacture the ice cream.

Is that your final answer?

And the drawing of an unobservable, unmeasurable, untestable model hardly makes your case...the book clearly stated that the energy was moving out of the camera towards the cooler object...

The drawing shows thermal energy moving from the object to the sensor AND from the sensor to the object.

If the drawing supported your claim, it would show arrows moving ONLY from the sensor to the cooler object.

 

[SSDD]

No. You said energy can't move spontaneously from cold to warm without previous work.
Work was done to manufacture the ice cream.

Describe the work done to move cold to warm...you made the claim...lets hear specifically what work was done to move the energy..or just admit that you made the whole work being done up because you figured no one would ask you to describe the work.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No. You said energy can't move spontaneously from cold to warm without previous work.
Work was done to manufacture the ice cream.

Describe the work done to move cold to warm...you made the claim...lets hear specifically what work was done to move the energy..or just admit that you made the whole work being done up because you figured no one would ask you to describe the work.

Describe the work done to move cold to warm...you made the claim..

Work can make photons move from colder matter to warmer matter? Excellent!

 

[Wuwei]

You are a top shelf idiot...congratulations.. but do describe what sort of prior work went into the manufacture of the ice cream that would lead to it moving energy from cool to warm like a refrigeration unit...

You are the one who said that any prior work involved in an object, or a man-made object cannot radiate spontaneously. Period. Ice cream is both man-made and has work done. Therefore according to your own theory ice cream can radiate anywhere because it is not spontaneous radiation.

Yes, it is top shelf idiocy, but it is your own thoughts and words.

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[jc456]

No. You said energy can't move spontaneously from cold to warm without previous work.
Work was done to manufacture the ice cream.

Describe the work done to move cold to warm...you made the claim...lets hear specifically what work was done to move the energy..or just admit that you made the whole work being done up because you figured no one would ask you to describe the work.

Describe the work done to move cold to warm...you made the claim..

Work can make photons move from colder matter to warmer matter? Excellent!

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object! That isn’t happening , LOL

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No. You said energy can't move spontaneously from cold to warm without previous work.
Work was done to manufacture the ice cream.

Describe the work done to move cold to warm...you made the claim...lets hear specifically what work was done to move the energy..or just admit that you made the whole work being done up because you figured no one would ask you to describe the work.

Describe the work done to move cold to warm...you made the claim..

Work can make photons move from colder matter to warmer matter? Excellent!

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object! That isn’t happening , LOL

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object!

That's SSDD's theory.
Stefan-Boltzmann says no work is needed for objects above 0K to emit.

 

[SSDD]

You are a top shelf idiot...congratulations.. but do describe what sort of prior work went into the manufacture of the ice cream that would lead to it moving energy from cool to warm like a refrigeration unit...

You are the one who said that any prior work involved in an object, or a man-made object cannot radiate spontaneously. Period. Ice cream is both man-made and has work done. Therefore according to your own theory ice cream can radiate anywhere because it is not spontaneous radiation.

Yes, it is top shelf idiocy, but it is your own thoughts and words.

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Feel free to bring any quote from me where I said that "any" prior work involved in making an object could cause energy to move from cool too warm...yet another example of you simply lying and fabricating arguments from nothing in an effort to support your position. You are as predictable as old faithful...

 

[Wuwei]

You are a top shelf idiot...congratulations.. but do describe what sort of prior work went into the manufacture of the ice cream that would lead to it moving energy from cool to warm like a refrigeration unit...

You are the one who said that any prior work involved in an object, or a man-made object cannot radiate spontaneously. Period. Ice cream is both man-made and has work done. Therefore according to your own theory ice cream can radiate anywhere because it is not spontaneous radiation.

Yes, it is top shelf idiocy, but it is your own thoughts and words.

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Feel free to bring any quote from me where I said that "any" prior work involved in making an object could cause energy to move from cool too warm...yet another example of you simply lying and fabricating arguments from nothing in an effort to support your position. You are as predictable as old faithful...

Are you saying that if prior work was done on an object, the object can still radiate spontaneously anywhere if absolutely no external work is being done on the object while it radiates?

Are you saying that man-made objects can radiate spontaneously if no external work is done on it while it radiates?

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[SSDD]

You are a top shelf idiot...congratulations.. but do describe what sort of prior work went into the manufacture of the ice cream that would lead to it moving energy from cool to warm like a refrigeration unit...

You are the one who said that any prior work involved in an object, or a man-made object cannot radiate spontaneously. Period. Ice cream is both man-made and has work done. Therefore according to your own theory ice cream can radiate anywhere because it is not spontaneous radiation.

Yes, it is top shelf idiocy, but it is your own thoughts and words.

.

Feel free to bring any quote from me where I said that "any" prior work involved in making an object could cause energy to move from cool too warm...yet another example of you simply lying and fabricating arguments from nothing in an effort to support your position. You are as predictable as old faithful...

Are you saying that if prior work was done on an object, the object can still radiate spontaneously anywhere if absolutely no external work is being done on the object while it radiates?

Are you saying that man-made objects can radiate spontaneously if no external work is done on it while it radiates?

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No such quote from me...how unsurprising is that....

 

[Wuwei]

No such quote from me...how unsurprising is that....

Why do you want a quote on your self-inconsistent thermodynamics theory from me? Have you already forgotten what your fake theory of thermodynamics is? Here it is .....

Grand Solar Minimum.... And Cooling....

No work is happening when the light stick is glowing. If you think work prior to the event is a criteria for spontaneity, then there is no possible experiment or event by man on earth that is spontaneous.

So let me guess...you believe that no work was done to make it happen...that wuwei is exactly how stupid you are.

Phosphorescence is not radio active decay! It is spontaneous release of atomic energy after work was done to raise the energy levels. No work is done by glowing mineral phosphors.

No...phosphorescence is the re emission of energy previously absorbed...not spontaneous...no absorption of energy...no later emission of energy...We have covered this all before.

What? Do you simply erase all your losses and actually believe you are starting with a clean slate and that you have a winning argument this time? Do you know the definition of insanity?

It is spontaneous shortly after death then, while the chemicals are still reacting on their own.

Nope...the effect after death is the result of work having been done...it is residual and soon stops when the energy stored by the work done runs out...not spontanoeus.. You really don't remember losing these points before? What makes you think these ridiculous examples are valid this time...

It is terribly tedious reminding you over and over and over again.

Really? Tell us about it then. Don't just run away.

Refer to any of the dozens of times it has been explained to both you and toddster...shouldn't be hard to find. Here is a hint..the latest theory begins with the letter A.

Molecules of any gas adjacent to a warmer surface must strike the surface with kinetic energy. The observed evidence is easy.

Yeah...the observed evidence is that the wall cools down because it is losing energy to the cooler gas...no evidence whatsoever that the wall gains any energy at all. Again..covered over and over...your ridiculous arguments lay shredded across the landscape of this board...look them up.

Hold on! Nobody here has ever stated or believed that energy can move from a less organized state to a more organized state.

Warm is more organized than cool...Low frequency is less organized than high frequency...the potential energy of a rock at the bottom of a hill is less organized than a rock at the top of a hill...the energy represented by pressurized air in a tire is more organized than the energy represented by the air in the atmosphere...energy never moves from a less organized state to a more organized state and yet every argument you make is trying to claim exactly that...that energy is moving spontaneously from a less organized state to a more organized state.

Therein lies the fundamental tedium of talking to you...the same stupid, poorly thought out, shitty examples of your lack of critical thinking skills over and over and over and over.

Also see post #453 in the same thread.

Man made...work went into production...not spontaneous....same old thing..

Living creature...body is doing work to produce luminescence...luminescence stops shortly after death...not spontaneous.

Multiple theories on what sort of work is being done to move the energy from the surface to the corona...only you and toddster seem to think it is spontaneous.​

The ground being unstable both rocks rolled down the hill.... You are saying #1 was spontaneous, # 2 was not spontaneous.
That is a pretty stupid way of thinking about gravitational potential energy turning into kinetic energy. Really stupid.

The definition of spontaneous is that there is no energy input from the outside...what is stupid is not being able to figure out what that means.

That goes back to your definition that that no process in physics is spontaneous if work was done prior to an energy release after all work is ended. And anything man-made cannot result in a spontaneous action.

It isn't my definition...it is science's definition... I just cut it and pasted it here...clearly it was a waste of time since anything that challenges your beliefs is immediately rejected. Another endless tedious characteristic you possess in spades.

At the end of that thread you simply disappeared. Ran away. Hid under the bed. Are you going to man up this time?

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[jc456]

No. You said energy can't move spontaneously from cold to warm without previous work.
Work was done to manufacture the ice cream.

Describe the work done to move cold to warm...you made the claim...lets hear specifically what work was done to move the energy..or just admit that you made the whole work being done up because you figured no one would ask you to describe the work.

Describe the work done to move cold to warm...you made the claim..

Work can make photons move from colder matter to warmer matter? Excellent!

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object! That isn’t happening , LOL

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object!

That's SSDD's theory.
Stefan-Boltzmann says no work is needed for objects above 0K to emit.

hey yo, the dude from the camera company called me this morning. guess what he said, he said that the sensor will detect current flow in the direction from the camera to the cold object and this reverse flow is recognized and temperature calculated. The warmer objects are detected with the flow from the warm object through the sensor to the camera and the temperature is calculated. two way flow, but not in the manner you thought. The sensor controls the flow. BTW, the same as SSDD explained as well.

 

[jc456]

You are a top shelf idiot...congratulations.. but do describe what sort of prior work went into the manufacture of the ice cream that would lead to it moving energy from cool to warm like a refrigeration unit...

You are the one who said that any prior work involved in an object, or a man-made object cannot radiate spontaneously. Period. Ice cream is both man-made and has work done. Therefore according to your own theory ice cream can radiate anywhere because it is not spontaneous radiation.

Yes, it is top shelf idiocy, but it is your own thoughts and words.

.

Feel free to bring any quote from me where I said that "any" prior work involved in making an object could cause energy to move from cool too warm...yet another example of you simply lying and fabricating arguments from nothing in an effort to support your position. You are as predictable as old faithful...

now they're making up more shit. amazing, liars each of them.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No. You said energy can't move spontaneously from cold to warm without previous work.
Work was done to manufacture the ice cream.

Describe the work done to move cold to warm...you made the claim...lets hear specifically what work was done to move the energy..or just admit that you made the whole work being done up because you figured no one would ask you to describe the work.

Describe the work done to move cold to warm...you made the claim..

Work can make photons move from colder matter to warmer matter? Excellent!

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object! That isn’t happening , LOL

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object!

That's SSDD's theory.
Stefan-Boltzmann says no work is needed for objects above 0K to emit.

hey yo, the dude from the camera company called me this morning. guess what he said, he said that the sensor will detect current flow in the direction from the camera to the cold object and this reverse flow is recognized and temperature calculated. The warmer objects are detected with the flow from the warm object through the sensor to the camera and the temperature is calculated. two way flow, but not in the manner you thought. The sensor controls the flow. BTW, the same as SSDD explained as well.

he said that the sensor will detect current flow

Current flow? We're talking about photons, not current.

two way flow,

Yup

The sensor controls the flow.

ESP?

 

[jc456]

Describe the work done to move cold to warm...you made the claim...lets hear specifically what work was done to move the energy..or just admit that you made the whole work being done up because you figured no one would ask you to describe the work.

Describe the work done to move cold to warm...you made the claim..

Work can make photons move from colder matter to warmer matter? Excellent!

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object! That isn’t happening , LOL

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object!

That's SSDD's theory.
Stefan-Boltzmann says no work is needed for objects above 0K to emit.

hey yo, the dude from the camera company called me this morning. guess what he said, he said that the sensor will detect current flow in the direction from the camera to the cold object and this reverse flow is recognized and temperature calculated. The warmer objects are detected with the flow from the warm object through the sensor to the camera and the temperature is calculated. two way flow, but not in the manner you thought. The sensor controls the flow. BTW, the same as SSDD explained as well.

he said that the sensor will detect current flow

Current flow? We're talking about photons, not current.

two way flow,

Yup

The sensor controls the flow.

ESP?

it's an electronic device. electronic devices run on batteries, means there's current. How do you suppose they light up those LEDs?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Describe the work done to move cold to warm...you made the claim..

Work can make photons move from colder matter to warmer matter? Excellent!

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object! That isn’t happening , LOL

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object!

That's SSDD's theory.
Stefan-Boltzmann says no work is needed for objects above 0K to emit.

hey yo, the dude from the camera company called me this morning. guess what he said, he said that the sensor will detect current flow in the direction from the camera to the cold object and this reverse flow is recognized and temperature calculated. The warmer objects are detected with the flow from the warm object through the sensor to the camera and the temperature is calculated. two way flow, but not in the manner you thought. The sensor controls the flow. BTW, the same as SSDD explained as well.

he said that the sensor will detect current flow

Current flow? We're talking about photons, not current.

two way flow,

Yup

The sensor controls the flow.

ESP?

it's an electronic device. electronic devices run on batteries, means there's current. How do you suppose they light up those LEDs?

Why do I ever bother responding if you don't know the difference between photons and current?

There is no current flow from any object to the sensor. Durr.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Describe the work done to move cold to warm...you made the claim..

Work can make photons move from colder matter to warmer matter? Excellent!

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object! That isn’t happening , LOL

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object!

That's SSDD's theory.
Stefan-Boltzmann says no work is needed for objects above 0K to emit.

hey yo, the dude from the camera company called me this morning. guess what he said, he said that the sensor will detect current flow in the direction from the camera to the cold object and this reverse flow is recognized and temperature calculated. The warmer objects are detected with the flow from the warm object through the sensor to the camera and the temperature is calculated. two way flow, but not in the manner you thought. The sensor controls the flow. BTW, the same as SSDD explained as well.

he said that the sensor will detect current flow

Current flow? We're talking about photons, not current.

two way flow,

Yup

The sensor controls the flow.

ESP?

it's an electronic device. electronic devices run on batteries, means there's current. How do you suppose they light up those LEDs?

Ask the guy the correct question, how does the sensor detect photons from a cooler object......

 

[jc456]

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object! That isn’t happening , LOL

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object!

That's SSDD's theory.
Stefan-Boltzmann says no work is needed for objects above 0K to emit.

hey yo, the dude from the camera company called me this morning. guess what he said, he said that the sensor will detect current flow in the direction from the camera to the cold object and this reverse flow is recognized and temperature calculated. The warmer objects are detected with the flow from the warm object through the sensor to the camera and the temperature is calculated. two way flow, but not in the manner you thought. The sensor controls the flow. BTW, the same as SSDD explained as well.

he said that the sensor will detect current flow

Current flow? We're talking about photons, not current.

two way flow,

Yup

The sensor controls the flow.

ESP?

it's an electronic device. electronic devices run on batteries, means there's current. How do you suppose they light up those LEDs?

Why do I ever bother responding if you don't know the difference between photons and current?

There is no current flow from any object to the sensor. Durr.

what difference does it make current or photon, the sensor detects the way SSDD and I stated. From the mouth of the man who works with the camera.

 

[jc456]

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object! That isn’t happening , LOL

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object!

That's SSDD's theory.
Stefan-Boltzmann says no work is needed for objects above 0K to emit.

hey yo, the dude from the camera company called me this morning. guess what he said, he said that the sensor will detect current flow in the direction from the camera to the cold object and this reverse flow is recognized and temperature calculated. The warmer objects are detected with the flow from the warm object through the sensor to the camera and the temperature is calculated. two way flow, but not in the manner you thought. The sensor controls the flow. BTW, the same as SSDD explained as well.

he said that the sensor will detect current flow

Current flow? We're talking about photons, not current.

two way flow,

Yup

The sensor controls the flow.

ESP?

it's an electronic device. electronic devices run on batteries, means there's current. How do you suppose they light up those LEDs?

Ask the guy the correct question, how does the sensor detect photons from a cooler object......

I did, he said the flow through the sensor is from camera to cold object. Reverse flow.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object!

That's SSDD's theory.
Stefan-Boltzmann says no work is needed for objects above 0K to emit.

hey yo, the dude from the camera company called me this morning. guess what he said, he said that the sensor will detect current flow in the direction from the camera to the cold object and this reverse flow is recognized and temperature calculated. The warmer objects are detected with the flow from the warm object through the sensor to the camera and the temperature is calculated. two way flow, but not in the manner you thought. The sensor controls the flow. BTW, the same as SSDD explained as well.

he said that the sensor will detect current flow

Current flow? We're talking about photons, not current.

two way flow,

Yup

The sensor controls the flow.

ESP?

it's an electronic device. electronic devices run on batteries, means there's current. How do you suppose they light up those LEDs?

Why do I ever bother responding if you don't know the difference between photons and current?

There is no current flow from any object to the sensor. Durr.

what difference does it make current or photon, the sensor detects the way SSDD and I stated. From the mouth of the man who works with the camera.

what difference does it make current or photon,

Because they're completely different things.

From the mouth of the man who works with the camera.

Unless you taped it to write a transcript, I'm going to assume you completely misinterpreted what he said.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sure, why not, now describe the work from the ice cream to any warmer object!

That's SSDD's theory.
Stefan-Boltzmann says no work is needed for objects above 0K to emit.

hey yo, the dude from the camera company called me this morning. guess what he said, he said that the sensor will detect current flow in the direction from the camera to the cold object and this reverse flow is recognized and temperature calculated. The warmer objects are detected with the flow from the warm object through the sensor to the camera and the temperature is calculated. two way flow, but not in the manner you thought. The sensor controls the flow. BTW, the same as SSDD explained as well.

he said that the sensor will detect current flow

Current flow? We're talking about photons, not current.

two way flow,

Yup

The sensor controls the flow.

ESP?

it's an electronic device. electronic devices run on batteries, means there's current. How do you suppose they light up those LEDs?

Ask the guy the correct question, how does the sensor detect photons from a cooler object......

I did, he said the flow through the sensor is from camera to cold object. Reverse flow.

He said no photons moved from the cold object to the camera?