Official USMB Mafia Game #8: Gremlins, Goblins, and Ghouls! (Oh my!)

[House]

Or just read page 6.

 

[Avatar4321]

AyeCantSeeYou

question. The rules say this game started on a night phase. Was that accurate? And if it was accurate could theoretically someone have night killed or the jack of all trades have gotten an investigation off? Finally does that make tonight night one or two?

 

[House]

I had to read his response a couple times and you are right. He seems to think the SK not turning helps scum. It most assuredly does not help scum. SK can kill scum if not turned. What threat are they to scum cured? They are a VT at that point. And the Psych becomes VT also.

Something else we should be hunting is the vampire. Scum will want to find and recruit that persona and if they do, if the SK is still alive, town is screwed. Almost as screwed as they would be if the JOAT died. Another thing I'm surprised by is there isn't a back-up JOAT to take over the remainder of the abilities if the original dies.

Yeah, you are also right about the Psych only working odd nights. So at the end of the day, we should put up who we want the Psych to target, who we want the Cop or Dr. to target and hope for the best.

Okay. The Shrink is basically a Vanilla Townie anyway - all he/she can do PR-wise is convert the SK.

With the SK as SK there will be 2 kills each Night, unless Scum get lucky and kill the SK or the SK gets VERY lucky and kills both Scum over 2 Nights. Most likely it'll be Townies that end up dead.

With the SK as converted Townie, Town has an extra expendable member AND an extra vote, with the bonus of 1 less kill per Night.

It's possible but not likely that the SK will endgame, so SK as SK is pretty much a suicide role.

I think a claim an conversion are in order.

Also, Wolf, "we should put up who we want the Psych to target, who we want the Cop or Dr. to target and hope for the best" kinda bugs me. I'd like to think that the PRs can decide for themselves in the first place, in the second, "we," at least this early in the Game, includes Scum.

Start here and work down, that is the evolution of the plan.

 

[House]

It is now Day 1.​

 

[Avatar4321]

•This game is an Open Setup, and has a Night start. (This means everyone knows what's in our game.)
•If you think you've figured out who has what role, think again.

 

[Wolfsister77]

That makes zero sense for the game to have a night start. I've never heard of that.

Aye has to explain that one.

 

[Avatar4321]

some games start off with night kills.

when the day started I thought it was a typo. But I was thinking if Arden was the jack and investigated wolf the random vote makes sense.

which is why I want clarification.

 

[Wolfsister77]

some games start off with night kills.

when the day started I thought it was a typo. But I was thinking if Arden was the jack and investigated wolf the random vote makes sense.

which is why I want clarification.

It would be a complete and total lie and if she fake claims a guilty on me I would be pissed. I would probably blacklist her, that's how mad I would be.

It better just be a silly RVS vote.

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

AyeCantSeeYou

question. The rules say this game started on a night phase. Was that accurate? And if it was accurate could theoretically someone have night killed or the jack of all trades have gotten an investigation off? Finally does that make tonight night one or two?

It's Night One when this Day Phase ends. The Ghouls had a few minutes to talk before the game started.

To clarify, there was no chance of any NK or any other role (JOAT) to have gotten a head start.

 

[Avatar4321]

thank you aye.

Arden isn't explaining and has decided not to agree with the plan right now. Hopefully that will change when Arden catches up

 

[ScarletRage]

Aye did you mean open setup?

A night start implies all night actions fired once.

Not the SK. SK should claim.

 

[ScarletRage]

Got ninjaed...

 

[Wake]

I'm on Limited Access. Will have time between 12pm and 4pm tomorrow, even if it means drinking a pot of coffee.

 

[House]

Spoiler: Avatar Case: Wall-O-Text

I'm really not sure what to make of Grandma's and Wolfie's latest exchange.

House and Cafe, please weigh in.

Avatar, if you had the power to hammer a player at this very moment, who would it be and why?

first impression would be house. His game play annoys me. But that's an emotional reaction. I think he's town right now.

I don't have any scum reads yet so I wouldn't hammer anyone if I could.

Willingness to hammer a town read is scummy. Even acknowledging it is an emotional reaction, that is still undermining town's win con.

i don't know that i agree with the only scum will hunt the sk. We have a townie with a pr that specifically addresses the serial killer. He or she would need to hunt the sk in an effort to cure him or her.

Promoting hunting the SK (which is an entirely different beast from our plan of appealing to recruit the SK) is traditionally recognized as scummy behavior. Scum has a vested interest in ridding itself of the competition, because they are just as vulnerable to an SK as town (arguably moreso).

Message to the sk: If you happen to want to join town, don't use your NK because that would ultimately undermine your own win con in the long run.

I'm not sure that's true. Until the sk is cured his or her win condition is still killing anyone. And he or she could kill the scum at night.

I tend to think the serial killer outing his or herself on the hope to get cured only helps scum. Because they won't have him or her nk them and then they can kill him so we lost any advantage there is to the town

Refuses to acknowledge that cutting NK's in half is an advantage to town. This is basic strategy and I am sure Avatar is aware of how much NK's hurt town.

I'm not sure that's true. Until the sk is cured his or her win condition is still killing anyone. And he or she could kill the scum at night.

I tend to think the serial killer outing his or herself on the hope to get cured only helps scum. Because they won't have him or her nk them and then they can kill him so we lost any advantage there is to the town

I see the SK being alive or not turned benefitting scum- Less people they all have to NK and the quicker we lose. Why would scum want to kill the SK after he or she turned, they revert to VT, right? So its just a townie then, right? They no longer possess killing abilities, or am I wrong? In my head I have been treating the SK like the usurper from last game- but this one is deadly. So in my estimation, they would want to kinda work with scum until they thought they could win the game, then start killing those they pegged as scum.

SK can kill scum, and scum can't stand to lose as many as town.

SK is a threat to scum.

Okay, I get that. But the SK mission is to kill them and us. So when he or she targets their scum choices at first, but is wrong- We still take the hit until they get it right. And if I recall our psychologist only works on odd nights, this mean unless the SK hits scum or the scum hit the SK- we lose two off the bat night 1.

I'm fine with SK taking out Avatar. He might think twice about advocating SK hunting in the future.

so you want the serial killer to kill a townie? Odd considering you were asking him to confess to be cured.

maybe you are the serial killer and this is all a ruse to deflect attention

Poor attempt at deflection; zero reasoning or supporting evidence for his blatant accusation.

Oh... and he didn't even vote me after making such a serious accusation because he was hoping someone else would start the wagon. If he was town-Avatar, that post would have had a vote attached.

if I'm the doctor I'll protect the sk
if I'm the psychiatrist I'll heal the sk.

ill go along with this. Mostly because I'm curious to see if it actually works.

but what's to prevent the scum from claiming to be the sk to get us to waste a night protection and cure use?

Poor attempt at doubtcasting the plan to recruit the SK.

or what if the vampire claimed to be the serial killer to be recruited?

That's just stupid. The vampire would be more likely to fakeclaim a PR role.

@Vampire: Claim today and I will campaign to lynch you to maintain your town alignment so you can also win with town.

We are taking scum down this game, get out in front of this train.

I'm skeptical of the "claim so we can kill you" tactic. It's not rational.

id much rather kill scum then the vampire today

Unless it's his role to decide on, his opinion on the rationale is irrelevant. Suggests to me that he is vampire.

Also, post# 309

@Vampire: Claim today and I will campaign to lynch you to maintain your town alignment so you can also win with town.

We are taking scum down this game, get out in front of this train.

I'm skeptical of the "claim so we can kill you" tactic. It's not rational.

id much rather kill scum then the vampire today

I'd rather lynch the vampire before it is recruited by scum, convert the SK before he can kill anyone, and lynch scum D2 and D3 and win this thing in record time. Wouldn't any townie? Right Avi?

you seem to be sheeping house a bit this game.

I don't see how these tactics are pro town. Or how they are going to be effective. You guys are asking people to claim so they can be killed. Suicide is contrary to our win conditions in most cases.

I feel like we are wasting time with useless tactics when we could be hunting scum

Attempting to shame Wolfie for pursuing a pro-town strat, simultaneously doubtcasting the strategy itself.

occasionally we do lynch scum day one. Isn't that right moonglow?

Attempts to drag Moonglow into the discussion, hoping Moonglow will do something to attract attention (kudos to Moon).

FA_Q2 makes a pertinent observation in post# 359

hmm FA sheeping house too. Preferring crazy schemes over genuine scum hunting. Why is that?

this whole let's convert the sk and ask the vampire to reveal his or herself is a distraction and doesn't help us find scum. Why? No one is going to volunteer to be killed

it just gives scum an excuse to avoid scum hunting.

and we still have scarlet and Arden saying next to nothing this game. No one finds that at all odd. Ardens cryptic random vote still has not been addressed.

so let's get back to scum hunting.

Further attempts to undermine the SK recruitment, playing up the possibility that the SK will be killed at every opportunity (which is a likelihood regardless of their alignment).

I still like the deal with the SK...It has a chance to work...

well he it she hasn't taken it yet. Though having them crumb might be better

Nobody is buying his undermining attempts, so he further tries to derail the recruitment by suggesting the SK crumb instead. This is stupid, because:

1) The crumb would have to be picked up on by the doctor AND shrink, yet NOT scum - and just how likely is that?
2) Scum might pick up the crumb when one of our PR's miss it - now how likely is THAT?
3) The correct answer is #2 is most likely by a long shot.

so let's get back to scum hunting.

Hollow words. If you were sincere, you would have been scum hunting, or at the very least, started.

How about being the change you want to see in the game?

I have been. I'd you haven't noticed I am voting for someone I find suspicious and who hasn't answered questions. I've been directing you to people who have been hiding, sheeping, using this tangent as cover not to hunt at all. I've also been trying to divert you away from schemes you are conceiving which are designed to fail back to the task at hand.

when you start voting again, or asking questions talk to me about my "failure" yo scum hunt. Until then your just helping the scum.

Claims the plan to recruit the SK is just helping scum; undermines everyone who supports it.

Avatar4321 - You're an attorney, you know how plea bargains work. Your resistance to this plan, you might as well be waving a 40-foot Scum flag.

plea bargains dont usually require Simone put their head in a noose or stand in front of a firing squad

True dat, but this isn't a normal case.

(@ everyone - Is it me, or does Avi look like Vamp?)

I am not the vamp. Though I doubt if be coming forward if I was. I'd be playing the game. Half the fun would be trying to draw the recruit.

no. This time I am town. So I am going to hunt scum. Not an unexciting role. Trying to figure out how to change your minds when your wrong and figuring who is deceiving the group. The fun of playing is figuring people out

Wolfsister77: This is a dumb reason to decide somebody is probtown. Scum!Avatar or Vamp!Avatar (as he himself admits!) has every reason to say the same thing.

does voting for me make you feel better? I'm hoping it will cure your hostility for me. But you aren't going to be happy if you lynch me. Cause I'll flip town

Funny he should crumb SK after advocating for the SK to crumb instead of claim...

I'm not. Thought you might be though cafe

What's that? He wasn't crumbing, you say?

Sorry been busy. Can someone give cliff notes?

house proposed a plan to try to cure the serial killer by having him or her out themselves. Everyone has gone along with it but I've been vocal on it not being likely to work and is distracting actual scum hunting. So naturally people are mad at me

Arden hasn't said anything that is really coherent other than a weird random vote.

Just to remove doubt as to his crumbing, he posted about the plan to "cure" the SK (we've been discussing recruiting/converting them)

If he's not the SK, he's scum trying to draw out our PR's to waste their abilities on him.

 

[FA_Q2]

I'm leaning scum on FA and grandma right now. Not enough to vote yet though. My pressure vote is on Arden until she answers our questions.

I suspect FA because the sheeping of house. And because I haven't made any serious attempt by him to hunt.

grandma is more gut at this time.

I have made a serious attempt. You just don't like it because YOU are the one that I have scum hunted. If you are not scum I will be VERY surprised.

Over and over again you keep stating that you want to scum hunt and that others are not yet you have not scum hunted at ALL. The best you can come up with is an OMGUS on me because you don't like the fact that I agree with House's plan to get another townie and remove a NK. That in of itself is extremely scummy.

Then, you have wasted PAGES AND PAGES arguing against the plan. You realize that you are the central reason that scum hunting is not occurring. You could have simply voiced your objection and then hunted but you didn't, did you? Why?

The only reason that I can come up with is that you are actively trying to mire us in a debate about the plan rather than uncovering scum.

Vote: Avatar

There simply is not a better scum candidate than you at this time. You could, at the very least, offer something better than my sheeping the plan House put up as a scum read or give us a better candidate.

Arden:
No one is simply expecting you to agree because the rest of us agree. We ARE expecting you to take a look at it though and at least try participating. You have not added anything to the thread AT ALL. Lurking that bad makes you look awfully scummy.

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

Aye did you mean open setup?

A night start implies all night actions fired once.

Not the SK. SK should claim.

Yes, that's what I meant. I was half asleep when I wrote it. LOL

 

[Avatar4321]

sheeping house isn't scum hunting.

 

[Avatar4321]

so house's argument starts with me saying i wouldnt hammer anyone because im not scum reading anyone yet. Tell me, when you have to start off your "wall of evidence" saying i said the exact opposite of what i actually said, how the heck are we supposed to trust what you are saying. I dont know how "i would not hammer anyone right now" can be read by you as hammering a town read.

next you say I'm hunting the sk. Odd considering I've spent the good part of the past twenty pages criticizing your plan to hunt the sk and telling you that you should be hunting the scum. In fact I'm the one looking at the people who have jumped to the defense of your plan to get the sk as major scum reads precisely because they are so eager to avoid scum hunting.

tell me, how is it a scum read to not acknowledge a town reason to hunt the sk to eliminate multiple night kills if I am being scum for hunting the sk? You have me being scum for both hunting the sk and refusing to, which is it?

I told you the scum benefit most from hunting the sk. because it makes them look town hunting scum, it gives them a way to buddy up to town players, and the scum dont have to worry about being night killed if we catch the sk.

it seems your just pissed at me because I am vocal about your plans inherent flaw. People signed up for the game to play not to get themselves killed. And you don't like the fact that I said that if I was going off an emotional reaction I would hammer you. But I don't make decisons on emotional reactions. I make the ones that make sense.

considering that your votes are essentially and omgus reaction for me caling you out on gameplay issues, you might want to work on that.

 

[House]

Anybody with eyeballs can see that you've resorted to lying now.

Good game, Avvie. East rope.

 

[House]

Eat*

Lol