Oh goody, tens of thousands in Kentucky to lose their health care. Thanks GOP!

[auditor0007]

[


The whole point behind the mandate that you must have insurance is so that everyone is included in the pool and that someone can't just get insurance when they get sick. Secondly, insurance companies have a bad track record of forcing sick people out of their insurance if they believe they were becoming too expensive. This actually happened to me as I had insurance for my entire life, but when I moved to another state I was denied insurance due to my pre-existing condition, which btw was no fault of my own as it was genetic.

The whole idea of the mandate was to force people to provide the funding for the filthy subsidies to the welfare queens that are too sorry to pay their own bills.

If you don't like the insurance policy that you had (pre Obamacare) then you always had the option of switching to another. We absolutely don't need the government telling the insurance companies how to run their business.

The Left is bad about putting out false info about the insurance. For instance, a good portion of employer provided health insurance payouts were funded by the companies. All the insurance companies do was to administer the program and pass the cost onto the employer. That is why pre existing conditions are usually covered in employer provided insurance.

Your pre existing problems are your concern, not mine. You should have no right to cause my insurance cost to be elevated to fix your problems. You are not entitled to health care simply because you are alive.

The lowest cost and the best health care will always come from a free market with minimal government interference. All government interference does is elevate cost and reduce quality, just like in every other commodity.

The government is never our friend. It is usually our enemy.

Yes, you are one of the idiots who believe only healthy people should be insured. Of course if they are only going to insure healthy people, then there is no need for insurance because healthy people won't need it. BTW dumbfuck, I had insurance and they took it away. When companies do shit like that then it's everyone's problem. Just because you are healthy today does not mean you won't get sick down the road. Then you will expect everyone else to be there for your sorry ass.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Providers have to bid??? Who are the providers? Providers of what?
In my business providers are the people that perform health services. Every day the providers we serve send over 10,000 inquiries to find out if their patients
are eligible for Medicare...i.e. providers.
So again... I'm asking you who do you consider providers?
Your answer will clearly show your level of ignorance.

You don't provide anything in your life. You have tried to discuss an issue the which you have shown you know nothing about. ACA is better than we had, we are never going back, and single payer will be what happens next.

The real issue is that you want to have only catastrophic insurance, the which allows you to privatize the profit and the public to socialize the risk. No.

 

[healthmyths]

[


The whole point behind the mandate that you must have insurance is so that everyone is included in the pool and that someone can't just get insurance when they get sick. Secondly, insurance companies have a bad track record of forcing sick people out of their insurance if they believe they were becoming too expensive. This actually happened to me as I had insurance for my entire life, but when I moved to another state I was denied insurance due to my pre-existing condition, which btw was no fault of my own as it was genetic.

The whole idea of the mandate was to force people to provide the funding for the filthy subsidies to the welfare queens that are too sorry to pay their own bills.

If you don't like the insurance policy that you had (pre Obamacare) then you always had the option of switching to another. We absolutely don't need the government telling the insurance companies how to run their business.

The Left is bad about putting out false info about the insurance. For instance, a good portion of employer provided health insurance payouts were funded by the companies. All the insurance companies do was to administer the program and pass the cost onto the employer. That is why pre existing conditions are usually covered in employer provided insurance.

Your pre existing problems are your concern, not mine. You should have no right to cause my insurance cost to be elevated to fix your problems. You are not entitled to health care simply because you are alive.

The lowest cost and the best health care will always come from a free market with minimal government interference. All government interference does is elevate cost and reduce quality, just like in every other commodity.

The government is never our friend. It is usually our enemy.

Yes, you are one of the idiots who believe only healthy people should be insured. Of course if they are only going to insure healthy people, then there is no need for insurance because healthy people won't need it. BTW dumbfuck, I had insurance and they took it away. When companies do shit like that then it's everyone's problem. Just because you are healthy today does not mean you won't get sick down the road. Then you will expect everyone else to be there for your sorry ass.

Sorry but YOU are the exception. Don't know what your life style or genetics are but you ARE the exception.
I've pointed out the #1 cost i.e. $850 billion that doctors say they spend wastefully and you won't even comment!
Insurance companies PAY this $850 billion and simply raise the rates to a point where like you situation you can't afford.

The solution is simple.
Do what the Federal government did in 1946...Pass Tort Reform.
As a result while 90% of doctors say they waste this $850 billion all out of fear of lawsuits... 52% say they don't spend doing duplicate tests,etc. because
they can't get sued!
Once the insurance companies don't pay this WASTEFUL $850 billion in duplicate tests just as doctors under Federal contract don't do, spend $850 billion in
defensive medicine, then STATE LAWS come into affect on requesting rate hikes by insurance companies that justify by the amount they pay in claims.
The lower the claims' costs the lower the premiums!

That is how to cut at least $300 billion a year away from what insurance companies pay in claims and thus the premiums drop!
Very very simple solution....ONE that the lawyers (Including Obama!! ) don't like i.e. taxing lawyers $27 billion of their $270 billion to pay the premiums for
people LIKE YOU! That wanted insurance but it just became to expensive.
Selling insurance across state lines isn't the issue.
Stop spending $850 billion in wasteful, defensive medicine practices all because of fear of lawsuits and claims' costs drop. Insurance premiums drop!
Simple!

 

[healthmyths]

Providers have to bid??? Who are the providers? Providers of what?
In my business providers are the people that perform health services. Every day the providers we serve send over 10,000 inquiries to find out if their patients
are eligible for Medicare...i.e. providers.
So again... I'm asking you who do you consider providers?
Your answer will clearly show your level of ignorance.

You don't provide anything in your life. You have tried to discuss an issue the which you have shown you know nothing about. ACA is better than we had, we are never going back, and single payer will be what happens next.

The real issue is that you want to have only catastrophic insurance, the which allows you to privatize the profit and the public to socialize the risk. No.

Facts instead of supposition.
There were truly less then 4 million that wanted health insurance and needed it.
By stupidly trying to alter EVERYTHING i.e. the ACA people like you are destroying the system.
Why are you defending lawyers that cause over $850 billion a year to be spent by insurance companies paying claims that don't need to be done?
Here read this study:http://www.jacksonhealthcare.com/media/8968/defensivemedicine_ebook_final.pdf

Proof: 90% of physicians surveyed say they order $850 billion a year in wasted duplicate tests, referrals all out of FEAR of being SUED!
Proof: 52% of doctors under contract with Federal government don't practice defensive medicine because they CAN'T BE SUED!
Proof: ACA taxed tanning salons 10% because tanning causes cancer.
Proof: If ACA had taxed lawyers 10% of their $270 billion in revenue the $27 billion would have paid the premiums for the less then 4 million that want and needed insurance.

Lower the $850 billion in claims insurance companies pay and you will see states that will NOT let insurance companies RAISE rates because the costs the insurance
companies pay will be lowered, hence lower premiums.

It is that simple!

 

[dblack]

Yes, you are one of the idiots who believe only healthy people should be insured.

It seems you don't understand of what it means to be 'insured'. or what insurance really is. We insure ourselves against the risk of something bad happening. We don't get insurance after something bad has happened to get out of paying for it. Would you demand that automobile insurers sell you a policy, and cover your pre-existing damages, for a car that's already damaged? Should you be able to buy fire insurance for a house that's already on fire?

ACA is trying to convert insurance into a social welfare program. Bizarrely, it's a social welfare program run for profit by private corporations, but enlisting government to force "customers" to participate. It's truly twisted and I can't believe liberals don't see this.

 

[rightwinger]

I think it will make an interesting social experiment to see what happens when Republicans repeal Obamacare and take away people insurance while offering nothing in return

 

[dblack]

I think it will make an interesting social experiment to see what happens when Republicans repeal Obamacare and take away people insurance while offering nothing in return

It certainly would. But, sadly, it won't happen. PPACA is the law Republicans would have written if they'd had the chance.

The social experiment that will play out is the disillusionment of liberals when they appreciate the full extent of the 'big lie' of ACA - the claim that it will lead to single-payer.

 

[Flash]

[Q

Your insurance costs should go up to provide coverage for people with preexisting conditions because the purpose of insurance is cover both those with little risk of illness as well as those with high risk of illness. Preexisting conditions was just a tactic of insurance companies to reduce claims and increase their profits.

There is an elegant and simple solution. Eliminate the insurance companies, Obamacare, Medicaid, Cobra, Employee sponsored insurance, 5 other federal healthcare programs, and over 75 state programs and replace them all with Medicare. You eliminate insurance company profits and processing cost which is higher than Medicare, replace a number of costly high overhead government programs, and eliminate employer healthcare cost which will reduce business overall expenses 6% to 15%. The public gets insurance that is better than the average health insurance plan being offered today. Doctors and hospitals can eliminate a large percent of their claims processing since they won't be dealing with a hundred difference insurance companies.

LOL!!

The last thing we need in this country is to put health care entirely in the hands of this corrupt filthy ass government we have. That is like the dumbest suggestion ever made. Just look at the VA as a model for what happens when the government tries to run a health care system.

Socialized medicine is terrible in any country where it is practiced. It wold be even more screwed up in the US.

The government needs to stay out of the business of providing health care. The free market can do it just fine as it did for many years before Obamacare.

The government also needs to stay out of the business of taking money from the people that earned it and giving to the welfare queens that didn't earn it, including providing free or subsidized health care. It is simply the wrong thing to do. The government should never take money from one person and give it to another. That is thievery.

 

[Flash]

[Q


Yes, you are one of the idiots who believe only healthy people should be insured. .

Everybody should be insured. All you have to do is go out and buy yourself a policy to fit your needs.

If you have a preexisting condition that results in high health care cost then your policy may cost you a lot of money. After all "their ain't no such thing as a free lunch".

What you really want is for somebody else to pay your bills, don't you?

You want to pay in at healthy rates but take out at unhealthy rates, don't you? That is welfare thievery on your part, isn't it? You think you are entitled to have somebody else pay your bills simply because you are alive, don't you?

 

[rightwinger]

I think it will make an interesting social experiment to see what happens when Republicans repeal Obamacare and take away people insurance while offering nothing in return

It certainly would. But, sadly, it won't happen. PPACA is the law Republicans would have written if they'd had the chance.

The social experiment that will play out is the disillusionment of liberals when they appreciate the full extent of the 'big lie' of ACA - the claim that it will lead to single-payer.

Maybe not single payer like in Canada or England but single payer lite that will offer an option for a Government healthcare plan

Best of both worlds. You don't want government insurance......buy on the private market

 

[Flash]

[


Maybe not single payer like in Canada or England but single payer lite that will offer an option for a Government healthcare plan

Best of both worlds. You don't want government insurance......buy on the private market

Yea right. That is all this friggin country needs is another stupid government program to be mismanaged and cost the taxpayers billions each year.

 

[dblack]

I think it will make an interesting social experiment to see what happens when Republicans repeal Obamacare and take away people insurance while offering nothing in return

It certainly would. But, sadly, it won't happen. PPACA is the law Republicans would have written if they'd had the chance.

The social experiment that will play out is the disillusionment of liberals when they appreciate the full extent of the 'big lie' of ACA - the claim that it will lead to single-payer.

Maybe not single payer like in Canada or England but single payer lite that will offer an option for a Government healthcare plan

Best of both worlds. You don't want government insurance......buy on the private market

Yeah, riiight. And invading Iraq will create a shining beacon of democracy that will transform the Middle East.

Would you perhaps be in the market for a bridge? I can cut you deal.

 

[rightwinger]

[


Maybe not single payer like in Canada or England but single payer lite that will offer an option for a Government healthcare plan

Best of both worlds. You don't want government insurance......buy on the private market

Yea right. That is all this friggin country needs is another stupid government program to be mismanaged and cost the taxpayers billions each year.

Let the Government plan compete with private insurance companies

If the government is as "inept" as you claim, everyone will choose private companies

Afraid of a little competition?

 

[healthmyths]

[Q


Yes, you are one of the idiots who believe only healthy people should be insured. .

Everybody should be insured. All you have to do is go out and buy yourself a policy to fit your needs.

If you have a preexisting condition that results in high health care cost then your policy may cost you a lot of money. After all "their ain't no such thing as a free lunch".

What you really want is for somebody else to pay your bills, don't you?

You want to pay in at healthy rates but take out at unhealthy rates, don't you? That is welfare thievery on your part, isn't it? You think you are entitled to have somebody else pay your bills simply because you are alive, don't you?

I agree with all your points. To help LOWER premiums though we must have TORT reform that is equal to the 1946 Federal Tort Act which states
any physician under Federal contract can't be sued!
Today 90% of doctors admit...they do defensive medicine i.e. they are so afraid of lawsuits they order duplicate tests, specialist referrals all because
they fear lawsuits! This means $850 billion a year insurance companies and individuals pay this $850 billion and the insurance companies simply pass
on claims' costs in higher premiums!
FACT: These people asked doctors if the doctors practiced "defensive medicine".
http://www.jacksonhealthcare.com/media/8968/defensivemedicine_ebook_final.pdf

Simply do universal Tort Reform so physicians won't fear lawsuits and therefore reduce that $850 billion.
State insurance regulators approve premiums based on insurance companies costs. If this $850 billion is reduced by $200 billion the companies
can't raise but should reduce premiums. This will have a snowball affect to reduce health insurance premiums because if these companies can't
sell because their premiums aren't approved this means lower premiums!

 

[dblack]

I think it will make an interesting social experiment to see what happens when Republicans repeal Obamacare and take away people insurance while offering nothing in return

It certainly would. But, sadly, it won't happen. PPACA is the law Republicans would have written if they'd had the chance.

The social experiment that will play out is the disillusionment of liberals when they appreciate the full extent of the 'big lie' of ACA - the claim that it will lead to single-payer.

Maybe not single payer like in Canada or England but single payer lite that will offer an option for a Government healthcare plan

Best of both worlds. You don't want government insurance......buy on the private market

Yeah, riiight. And invading Iraq will create a shining beacon of democracy that will transform the Middle East.

Would you perhaps be in the market for a bridge? I can cut you deal.

Seriously, it doesn't pass the sniff test. If the stipulations of the law itself don't convince you, ask yourself why Liz Fowler, chief usher of the health care lobbyist 'revolving door', would write a law that sinks her gravy train?

 

[Flash]

[


Let the Government plan compete with private insurance companies

If the government is as "inept" as you claim, everyone will choose private companies

Afraid of a little competition?

The government is inept at everything it does.

It would wind up being a another fitly ass entitlement program that would put this country in more debt and be an entitlement for the welfare queens and be a source of corruption, just like every other stupid US Government boondoggle.

Politicians would use the program to get rich and buy votes.

This bloated out of control debt ridden country needs less government, not more.

The free market can provide the highest quality health care at the lowest possible price if the stupid government would just leave it alone. The last thing we need are corrupt politicians, elected by special groups with their greedy little hands on the National Treasury trying to run another entitlement program.

 

[dblack]

[Let the Government plan compete with private insurance companies

If the government is as "inept" as you claim, everyone will choose private companies

Afraid of a little competition?

The government is inept at everything it does.

It would wind up being a another fitly ass entitlement program that would put this country in more debt and be an entitlement for the welfare queens and be a source of corruption, just like every other stupid US Government boondoggle.

Politicians would use the program to get rich and buy votes.

This bloated out of control debt ridden country needs less government, not more.

The free market can provide the highest quality health care at the lowest possible price if the stupid government would just leave it alone. The last thing we need are corrupt politicians, elected by special groups with their greedy little hands on the National Treasury trying to run another entitlement program.

 

[Flash]

[Q


Yes, you are one of the idiots who believe only healthy people should be insured. .

Everybody should be insured. All you have to do is go out and buy yourself a policy to fit your needs.

If you have a preexisting condition that results in high health care cost then your policy may cost you a lot of money. After all "their ain't no such thing as a free lunch".

What you really want is for somebody else to pay your bills, don't you?

You want to pay in at healthy rates but take out at unhealthy rates, don't you? That is welfare thievery on your part, isn't it? You think you are entitled to have somebody else pay your bills simply because you are alive, don't you?

I agree with all your points. To help LOWER premiums though we must have TORT reform that is equal to the 1946 Federal Tort Act which states
any physician under Federal contract can't be sued!
Today 90% of doctors admit...they do defensive medicine i.e. they are so afraid of lawsuits they order duplicate tests, specialist referrals all because
they fear lawsuits! This means $850 billion a year insurance companies and individuals pay this $850 billion and the insurance companies simply pass
on claims' costs in higher premiums!
FACT: These people asked doctors if the doctors practiced "defensive medicine".
http://www.jacksonhealthcare.com/media/8968/defensivemedicine_ebook_final.pdf

Simply do universal Tort Reform so physicians won't fear lawsuits and therefore reduce that $850 billion.
State insurance regulators approve premiums based on insurance companies costs. If this $850 billion is reduced by $200 billion the companies
can't raise but should reduce premiums. This will have a snowball affect to reduce health insurance premiums because if these companies can't
sell because their premiums aren't approved this means lower premiums!

Tort reform would be a great way to reduce the cost of health care.

However, you have to remember that the Trial Lawyer's Association is one of the monster contributors to the Democrat Party. The chance of the butt pirate Democrats going along with any tort reform is non existence.

 

[healthmyths]

I think it will make an interesting social experiment to see what happens when Republicans repeal Obamacare and take away people insurance while offering nothing in return

It certainly would. But, sadly, it won't happen. PPACA is the law Republicans would have written if they'd had the chance.

The social experiment that will play out is the disillusionment of liberals when they appreciate the full extent of the 'big lie' of ACA - the claim that it will lead to single-payer.

Maybe not single payer like in Canada or England but single payer lite that will offer an option for a Government healthcare plan

Best of both worlds. You don't want government insurance......buy on the private market

Yeah, riiight. And invading Iraq will create a shining beacon of democracy that will transform the Middle East.

Would you perhaps be in the market for a bridge? I can cut you deal.

Are you and idiot?
Are aware that there was never a Peace in Iraq agreement,etc..... THE 1991 CEASE FIRE was just that?
I'm not going to waste time repeating the FACTS but you obviously were not around on 9/11/01!
When this event occurred the country was the United States!
But when you have Senators telling the people that didn't want peace in Iraq, i.e. TERRORISTs that:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "War is lost", (Wouldn't the insurgent barbarians find this statement helpful in recruiting?"Hey we have USA on the Run"!!!)
U.S. Rep. John Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,” (A barbarian says "SEE even their politicians admit USA are cold blooded killers"!
Senator Kerry (D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children." Kerry calling our troops TERRORISTS!!!
The above "Cheerleaders" speaking from the home team's field were CHEERING on the other team while claiming their team were the bad guys!

So the MSM gave these democrats a pass.
Not one MSM ever criticized Obama and the above people about their statements that as the Harvard study showed encouraged the enemy to prolong the Iraq conflict!

And so why else would the bad guys think the Liberation of Iraq was over! They won when the US Senators declare the war is lost!

 

[healthmyths]

[Q


Yes, you are one of the idiots who believe only healthy people should be insured. .

Everybody should be insured. All you have to do is go out and buy yourself a policy to fit your needs.

If you have a preexisting condition that results in high health care cost then your policy may cost you a lot of money. After all "their ain't no such thing as a free lunch".

What you really want is for somebody else to pay your bills, don't you?

You want to pay in at healthy rates but take out at unhealthy rates, don't you? That is welfare thievery on your part, isn't it? You think you are entitled to have somebody else pay your bills simply because you are alive, don't you?

I agree with all your points. To help LOWER premiums though we must have TORT reform that is equal to the 1946 Federal Tort Act which states
any physician under Federal contract can't be sued!
Today 90% of doctors admit...they do defensive medicine i.e. they are so afraid of lawsuits they order duplicate tests, specialist referrals all because
they fear lawsuits! This means $850 billion a year insurance companies and individuals pay this $850 billion and the insurance companies simply pass
on claims' costs in higher premiums!
FACT: These people asked doctors if the doctors practiced "defensive medicine".
http://www.jacksonhealthcare.com/media/8968/defensivemedicine_ebook_final.pdf

Simply do universal Tort Reform so physicians won't fear lawsuits and therefore reduce that $850 billion.
State insurance regulators approve premiums based on insurance companies costs. If this $850 billion is reduced by $200 billion the companies
can't raise but should reduce premiums. This will have a snowball affect to reduce health insurance premiums because if these companies can't
sell because their premiums aren't approved this means lower premiums!

Tort reform would be a great way to reduce the cost of health care.

However, you have to remember that the Trial Lawyer's Association is one of the monster contributors to the Democrat Party. The chance of the butt pirate Democrats going along with any tort reform is non existence.

No question and with a lawyer as the president and over 40% of Congress lawyers you are right!
But if people understood that $850 billion can be reduced. If reduced health insurance premiums WILL drop!
That would be the simplest way of making insurance cost lower!