OK.....Lets keep the Confederate Statues

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I really don't think a bunch of morons who didn't bother to learn the back ground of Robert E Lee need to be lecturing others on " perspective".
Lee had a choice

Defend his country or defend a country dedicated to preserving slavery

He chose the latter
He was defending a states right to secede.

Much like California is threatening these days...while liberals applaud.

Right to secede over slavery

Somehow it keeps getting back to that
Only because the left likes to compartmentalize everyone into their labeled little boxes. Sorry... we don't live in a strictly black and white world like little robots. The real world is more complex than that. You don't get to assign everyone their thoughts and reasoning for decisions and actions based on your partisan grievances 150 years after the fact.

It was compartmentalized

Being a negro meant you were no more than an animal. Not worthy of human rights. A commodity to be bought and sold. The core of southern wealth in the cotton market but unworthy of any of the profit

THAT is what the confederacy was about

That's OK from the standpoint that it was an awful act of mankind --- POView. But a little over-dramatic. You don't trust "animals" with caretaking of your children or running your business when you're away. And tho it was horrific and awful, they were not "animals". And the conditions varied greatly. Only about 2% of the South population controlled about 70% or more of the slaves as the smaller farms got consolidated.
 
the city VOTED for this removal, hello? rethuglicans?
Zhey zon't kkkare! Zhey simplee must follow zheir orzerz!

Heil Trump!

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But lets modify them to portray the correct historical context

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Lets honor those who created a nation to ensure that blacks would be enslaved forever. That is what the Confederacy was about.......Not Scarlett O'Hara, Not gentlemen fighting for a noble cause, not a cool flag to fly on your pickup truck

Go build them yourself, raise the money, hire the artists and get them out there. You don't get to erase history that you find repugnant.

History isn't being erased by getting rid of statues.
 
But lets modify them to portray the correct historical context

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Lets honor those who created a nation to ensure that blacks would be enslaved forever. That is what the Confederacy was about.......Not Scarlett O'Hara, Not gentlemen fighting for a noble cause, not a cool flag to fly on your pickup truck

Go build them yourself, raise the money, hire the artists and get them out there. You don't get to erase history that you find repugnant.

History isn't being erased by getting rid of statues.

Nope. You won't find a statue of Hitler in Germany...I've managed not to forget what he did despite that.
 
But lets modify them to portray the correct historical context

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Lets honor those who created a nation to ensure that blacks would be enslaved forever. That is what the Confederacy was about.......Not Scarlett O'Hara, Not gentlemen fighting for a noble cause, not a cool flag to fly on your pickup truck
/---/ Dems desperate to erase their slavery owning heritage

It was nazis, skin heads, klan members and Trump defending that heritage
/----/ that is the motive behind the dem fake outrage over statutes.

Why are Trump and the Republicans siding with the Nazis?
 
Lee had a choice

Defend his country or defend a country dedicated to preserving slavery

He chose the latter
He was defending a states right to secede.

Much like California is threatening these days...while liberals applaud.

Right to secede over slavery

Somehow it keeps getting back to that
Only because the left likes to compartmentalize everyone into their labeled little boxes. Sorry... we don't live in a strictly black and white world like little robots. The real world is more complex than that. You don't get to assign everyone their thoughts and reasoning for decisions and actions based on your partisan grievances 150 years after the fact.

It was compartmentalized

Being a negro meant you were no more than an animal. Not worthy of human rights. A commodity to be bought and sold. The core of southern wealth in the cotton market but unworthy of any of the profit

THAT is what the confederacy was about

That's OK from the standpoint that it was an awful act of mankind --- POView. But a little over-dramatic. You don't trust "animals" with caretaking of your children or running your business when you're away. And tho it was horrific and awful, they were not "animals". And the conditions varied greatly. Only about 2% of the South population controlled about 70% or more of the slaves as the smaller farms got consolidated.
I'm tired of the "only a small percentage owned slaves"
It does nothing to justify 40 percent of the population of the Confederacy being in bondage. Free forced labor was the backbone of the economy. All whites prospered from the cotton money. No slaves did
 
But lets modify them to portray the correct historical context

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Lets honor those who created a nation to ensure that blacks would be enslaved forever. That is what the Confederacy was about.......Not Scarlett O'Hara, Not gentlemen fighting for a noble cause, not a cool flag to fly on your pickup truck

Probably should outlaw the Dem party also. Based on the history of who started it.. Dontchathink??

UnivVa located in Charlottesville, founded by a Slave owner. Washington and Lee Univ has Lee buried in the center of ancient colonades. WHY? Because Lee spent MOST of his life up North. At West Point and in Engineering schools. And AFTER the war --- took the reins of Washington Univ. in Virginia. His role in the war was NOT as a fan of the the Succession or necessarily of plantation slavery. Arlington Cemetery is HIS property -- given to the country.

You think it's the SOUTH that can't over the Civil War. We have.. It's YOU that's still fighting it..
It is the Republicans (plus the Nazis, klan and skinheads) who are defending those statues

Hell no.. I'm a Libertarian. I believe in TOLERANCE not using the power of the state to Purge history. That's what the govt morons that started and promoted this confrontation wanted. They wanted the Deep Fried Cracker Losers to come to town to give folks that impression.

You still got 40% or so of the Dem heritage down here that you constantly MOCK and ridicule when you go after whipping the South. LOTS of support for keeping that history intact. You ever poll a field full of Civil War re-enactors and ASCERTAIN that ALL the Grey ones are Repubs??? :rofl:

Quit serving up this Yankee centered nonsense. Ya hear?? :tongue-44:

No one is 'purging history'. You can't even describe what history you think is being purged.
 
If it will make the left act any better..go ahead and get rid of Confederate statues. I bet they will continue in normal mode. They come out to a protest, that had a permit, with Shields and bats. This looking for trouble by the left has been ongoing since Trump was elected. They are beginning to get their wish after many months. I feel sorry for the poor girl murdered that was sucked into the fray.

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But lets modify them to portray the correct historical context

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Lets honor those who created a nation to ensure that blacks would be enslaved forever. That is what the Confederacy was about.......Not Scarlett O'Hara, Not gentlemen fighting for a noble cause, not a cool flag to fly on your pickup truck



There are many statutes that depict the events and people who were enslaved. Some idiots might find them offensive. Does that mean they should be torn down?

Or maybe just tear down the statues you don't like? I would specifically like to know how you think this should work.

We are talking about publicaly honoring a nation built on slavery

Communities setting aside their most prominent sites to honor a nation that lasted four years and killed 600,000 people just so they could enslave others

Move them somewhere else and put them in proper prospective


Again....you are attempting to infer the civil war was solely about slavery. That is demonstrable false. I do not think an attempt to erase history because you do not like the history is ever good.
The civil war was ALL about slavery

Southern States ceceded in order to preserve slavery
They created a Constitution identical to ours except theirs ensured the right to own slaves
 
Do any of you "it's part of history" crowd know when this particular statue was erected?

The one in Charlottesville? Since 1924.. About the time your Fed Govt was designing and planning the segregated black housing that founded most of today's "hoods"..

Nope, that was a decade later. It WAS around the same time tens of thousands of Klan members marched on Washington and a thousand of them marched in NY. (And Fred Trump was arrested)
 
He was defending a states right to secede.

Much like California is threatening these days...while liberals applaud.

Right to secede over slavery

Somehow it keeps getting back to that
Only because the left likes to compartmentalize everyone into their labeled little boxes. Sorry... we don't live in a strictly black and white world like little robots. The real world is more complex than that. You don't get to assign everyone their thoughts and reasoning for decisions and actions based on your partisan grievances 150 years after the fact.

It was compartmentalized

Being a negro meant you were no more than an animal. Not worthy of human rights. A commodity to be bought and sold. The core of southern wealth in the cotton market but unworthy of any of the profit

THAT is what the confederacy was about

That's OK from the standpoint that it was an awful act of mankind --- POView. But a little over-dramatic. You don't trust "animals" with caretaking of your children or running your business when you're away. And tho it was horrific and awful, they were not "animals". And the conditions varied greatly. Only about 2% of the South population controlled about 70% or more of the slaves as the smaller farms got consolidated.
I'm tired of the "only a small percentage owned slaves"
It does nothing to justify 40 percent of the population of the Confederacy being in bondage. Free forced labor was the backbone of the economy. All whites prospered from the cotton money. No slaves did

Being tired of the history, is no excuse to PURGE it from the public memory. We are ONLY discussing this because "your tribe" is so currently BEREFT of ideas and solutions that they have to go back 200 yrs to find something to divide us...

There is NO evidence that the Purge will rid us of the Nazi./Klan scum. There is no evidence that NOT remembering that history ACCURATELY and persistently will "make us better".. But that's what you got. With the country imploding and threats from everywhere -- you want to fuck with culture, history and the heritage (good and bad) of this country.
 
Do any of you "it's part of history" crowd know when this particular statue was erected?

The one in Charlottesville? Since 1924.. About the time your Fed Govt was designing and planning the segregated black housing that founded most of today's "hoods"..

Nope, that was a decade later. It WAS around the same time tens of thousands of Klan members marched on Washington and a thousand of them marched in NY. (And Fred Trump was arrested)

Oh BS. YOUR Federal govt was designing the current Ghettos and heavy-handedly promoting policies of housing segregation in the 20th Century. Before and AFTER that statue went up in Lee Park. Read the ACTUAL history here....
The History of Racism in American Govt Housing Policy...

You're not absolved of POST Civil War Govt race exclusion/discrimination either.. It would be OBVIOUS to you if KNEW any real history.. .
 
But lets modify them to portray the correct historical context

8bf289382f1db178e14135b2c2e699b8.jpg



Lets honor those who created a nation to ensure that blacks would be enslaved forever. That is what the Confederacy was about.......Not Scarlett O'Hara, Not gentlemen fighting for a noble cause, not a cool flag to fly on your pickup truck
/---/ Dems desperate to erase their slavery owning heritage

It was nazis, skin heads, klan members and Trump defending that heritage
/----/ that is the motive behind the dem fake outrage over statutes.

Why are Trump and the Republicans siding with the Nazis?
/----/ Why are DemocRATS siding with the Communist Dictator in North Korea?
 
Do any of you "it's part of history" crowd know when this particular statue was erected?

The one in Charlottesville? Since 1924.. About the time your Fed Govt was designing and planning the segregated black housing that founded most of today's "hoods"..

Nope, that was a decade later. It WAS around the same time tens of thousands of Klan members marched on Washington and a thousand of them marched in NY. (And Fred Trump was arrested)

Oh BS. YOUR Federal govt was designing the current Ghettos and heavy-handedly promoting policies of housing segregation in the 20th Century. Before and AFTER that statue went up in Lee Park. Read the ACTUAL history here....
The History of Racism in American Govt Housing Policy...

You're not absolved of POST Civil War Govt race exclusion/discrimination either.. It would be OBVIOUS to you if KNEW any real history.. .

No, true shit.

In 1933, faced with a housing shortage, the federal government began a program explicitly designed to increase — and segregate — America's housing stock. Author Richard Rothstein says the housing programs begun under the New Deal were tantamount to a "state-sponsored system of segregation."


A 'Forgotten History' Of How The U.S. Government Segregated America

1933...almost a decade after this statue was erected. Your attempt at distraction failed.
 
Do any of you "it's part of history" crowd know when this particular statue was erected?

The one in Charlottesville? Since 1924.. About the time your Fed Govt was designing and planning the segregated black housing that founded most of today's "hoods"..

Nope, that was a decade later. It WAS around the same time tens of thousands of Klan members marched on Washington and a thousand of them marched in NY. (And Fred Trump was arrested)

Oh BS. YOUR Federal govt was designing the current Ghettos and heavy-handedly promoting policies of housing segregation in the 20th Century. Before and AFTER that statue went up in Lee Park. Read the ACTUAL history here....
The History of Racism in American Govt Housing Policy...

You're not absolved of POST Civil War Govt race exclusion/discrimination either.. It would be OBVIOUS to you if KNEW any real history.. .

No, true shit.

In 1933, faced with a housing shortage, the federal government began a program explicitly designed to increase — and segregate — America's housing stock. Author Richard Rothstein says the housing programs begun under the New Deal were tantamount to a "state-sponsored system of segregation."


A 'Forgotten History' Of How The U.S. Government Segregated America

1933...almost a decade after this statue was erected. Your attempt at distraction failed.

What's failed here is your recognition that the GOVT Fed State Locals -- do NOT have clean hands on this stupid indignation about THEIR history...
 
Right to secede over slavery

Somehow it keeps getting back to that
Only because the left likes to compartmentalize everyone into their labeled little boxes. Sorry... we don't live in a strictly black and white world like little robots. The real world is more complex than that. You don't get to assign everyone their thoughts and reasoning for decisions and actions based on your partisan grievances 150 years after the fact.

It was compartmentalized

Being a negro meant you were no more than an animal. Not worthy of human rights. A commodity to be bought and sold. The core of southern wealth in the cotton market but unworthy of any of the profit

THAT is what the confederacy was about

That's OK from the standpoint that it was an awful act of mankind --- POView. But a little over-dramatic. You don't trust "animals" with caretaking of your children or running your business when you're away. And tho it was horrific and awful, they were not "animals". And the conditions varied greatly. Only about 2% of the South population controlled about 70% or more of the slaves as the smaller farms got consolidated.
I'm tired of the "only a small percentage owned slaves"
It does nothing to justify 40 percent of the population of the Confederacy being in bondage. Free forced labor was the backbone of the economy. All whites prospered from the cotton money. No slaves did

Being tired of the history, is no excuse to PURGE it from the public memory. We are ONLY discussing this because "your tribe" is so currently BEREFT of ideas and solutions that they have to go back 200 yrs to find something to divide us...

There is NO evidence that the Purge will rid us of the Nazi./Klan scum. There is no evidence that NOT remembering that history ACCURATELY and persistently will "make us better".. But that's what you got. With the country imploding and threats from everywhere -- you want to fuck with culture, history and the heritage (good and bad) of this country.
Nothing is being purged

But people are beginning to ask.......why are those monuments there in the first place?
They weren't put up by the veterans loved ones. The timing seems to coincide with civil rights efforts. A form of payback

Why weren't Yankee monuments put up after the 1880s. Nobody in the 1960s was saying...we need more Yankee monuments

But for some reason, during the Civil Rights struggle......there was a need for more confederate monuments
 
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Only because the left likes to compartmentalize everyone into their labeled little boxes. Sorry... we don't live in a strictly black and white world like little robots. The real world is more complex than that. You don't get to assign everyone their thoughts and reasoning for decisions and actions based on your partisan grievances 150 years after the fact.

It was compartmentalized

Being a negro meant you were no more than an animal. Not worthy of human rights. A commodity to be bought and sold. The core of southern wealth in the cotton market but unworthy of any of the profit

THAT is what the confederacy was about

That's OK from the standpoint that it was an awful act of mankind --- POView. But a little over-dramatic. You don't trust "animals" with caretaking of your children or running your business when you're away. And tho it was horrific and awful, they were not "animals". And the conditions varied greatly. Only about 2% of the South population controlled about 70% or more of the slaves as the smaller farms got consolidated.
I'm tired of the "only a small percentage owned slaves"
It does nothing to justify 40 percent of the population of the Confederacy being in bondage. Free forced labor was the backbone of the economy. All whites prospered from the cotton money. No slaves did

Being tired of the history, is no excuse to PURGE it from the public memory. We are ONLY discussing this because "your tribe" is so currently BEREFT of ideas and solutions that they have to go back 200 yrs to find something to divide us...

There is NO evidence that the Purge will rid us of the Nazi./Klan scum. There is no evidence that NOT remembering that history ACCURATELY and persistently will "make us better".. But that's what you got. With the country imploding and threats from everywhere -- you want to fuck with culture, history and the heritage (good and bad) of this country.
Nothing is being purged

But people are beginning to ask.......why are those monuments there in the first place?
They weren't put up by the veterans loved ones. The timing seems to coincide with civil rights efforts. A form of payback
They are being purged. You loons are ripping them down via vandalism.
 
Do any of you "it's part of history" crowd know when this particular statue was erected?

The one in Charlottesville? Since 1924.. About the time your Fed Govt was designing and planning the segregated black housing that founded most of today's "hoods"..

Nope, that was a decade later. It WAS around the same time tens of thousands of Klan members marched on Washington and a thousand of them marched in NY. (And Fred Trump was arrested)

Oh BS. YOUR Federal govt was designing the current Ghettos and heavy-handedly promoting policies of housing segregation in the 20th Century. Before and AFTER that statue went up in Lee Park. Read the ACTUAL history here....
The History of Racism in American Govt Housing Policy...

You're not absolved of POST Civil War Govt race exclusion/discrimination either.. It would be OBVIOUS to you if KNEW any real history.. .

No, true shit.

In 1933, faced with a housing shortage, the federal government began a program explicitly designed to increase — and segregate — America's housing stock. Author Richard Rothstein says the housing programs begun under the New Deal were tantamount to a "state-sponsored system of segregation."


A 'Forgotten History' Of How The U.S. Government Segregated America

1933...almost a decade after this statue was erected. Your attempt at distraction failed.

What's failed here is your recognition that the GOVT Fed State Locals -- do NOT have clean hands on this stupid indignation about THEIR history...

Nice pet peeve...but it has nothing to do with the statue of Robert E Lee that was erected around the same time 50,000 KKK members marched on Washington DC and Fred Trump was arrested at a Klan Rally in NY.
 
The one in Charlottesville? Since 1924.. About the time your Fed Govt was designing and planning the segregated black housing that founded most of today's "hoods"..

Nope, that was a decade later. It WAS around the same time tens of thousands of Klan members marched on Washington and a thousand of them marched in NY. (And Fred Trump was arrested)

Oh BS. YOUR Federal govt was designing the current Ghettos and heavy-handedly promoting policies of housing segregation in the 20th Century. Before and AFTER that statue went up in Lee Park. Read the ACTUAL history here....
The History of Racism in American Govt Housing Policy...

You're not absolved of POST Civil War Govt race exclusion/discrimination either.. It would be OBVIOUS to you if KNEW any real history.. .

No, true shit.

In 1933, faced with a housing shortage, the federal government began a program explicitly designed to increase — and segregate — America's housing stock. Author Richard Rothstein says the housing programs begun under the New Deal were tantamount to a "state-sponsored system of segregation."


A 'Forgotten History' Of How The U.S. Government Segregated America

1933...almost a decade after this statue was erected. Your attempt at distraction failed.

What's failed here is your recognition that the GOVT Fed State Locals -- do NOT have clean hands on this stupid indignation about THEIR history...

Nice pet peeve...but it has nothing to do with the statue of Robert E Lee that was erected around the same time 50,000 KKK members marched on Washington DC and Fred Trump was arrested at a Klan Rally in NY.
/----/ Again with this shit? Fred Trump was released and no charges were filed. Why do you always forget to include that tidbit?
 
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