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Sure have. TJ did not understand Jesus Christ to be more or less than the perfectly moral who ever lived. TJ did not believe in miracles, the Virgin Birth, the resurrection, or wicked priestcraft.
----- Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse, June 26, 1822
Dear Sir,- I have received and read with thankfulness and pleasure your denunciation of the abuses of tobacco and wine. Yet, however sound in its principles, I expect it will be but a sermon to the wind. You will find it as difficult to inculcate these sanative precepts on the sensualities of the present day, as to convince an Athanasian that there is but one God. I wish success to both attempts, and am happy to learn from you that the latter, at least, is making progress, and the more rapidly in proportion as our Platonizing Christians make more stir and noise about it. The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.
1. That there is one only God, and he all perfect.
2. That there is a future state of rewards and punishments.
3. That to love God with all thy heart and thy neighbor as thyself, is the sum of religion
No doubts that TJ believed in God. He did not believe it was the Christian God. You will find no statement of witness or conviction.
ACTON (CBS) The Pledge of Allegiance is becoming a sore subject in the Acton-Boxborough school district, all because of the words under God.
Atheists and Humanists do not accept the notion of God, says attorney David Niose.
An Acton family, who is atheist and chooses to remain anonymous, is suing the school district claiming they are discriminating against their children during the pledge. They want the words under God taken out
Acton Family Wants Under God Removed From Pledge Of Allegiance « CBS Boston
thoughts?
He also said he was a Christian, a sect of one.He has to be read in the context of his writings and of the Age of Enlightenment.
Epicureanism and Christianity are not compatible since Epicureans believe that the soul dies with the body.
You are looking for consistency in TJ's writings?
They're being excluded due to gov't endorsement of religion dummy.Socialists/Progressives are such assholes. All that snotty hateful Anti-Christian stuff has gotten so old and tiresome. This lawsuit is such Bullshit. I really do hope these people are made to reimburse the community when they lose. It's ridiculous & frivolous.
Current case law maintains that under god is Constitutional, that Congress intent was secular, and not intended to promote religion.
Pledge of Allegiance in Schools Ruled Constitutional on Appeal - Bloomberg
Of course children can not be compelled to say the pledge, nor may they be punished for wishing to opt out. See:
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
This can prove problematic for a child, needless to say, as already pointed out. But the suit is likely to fail, unfortunately.
I read a story in the paper where a young girl had to go stand out in the hallway so the drones could recite the "amended" (god added in 1954) pledge. Aint that marvelous?It was adopted to counter the red scare. Reminds me of Orwellian group think. Take it out.
If she didn't want to hear something so offensive should should have stood in the hallway in another school.
----- Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse, June 26, 1822
Dear Sir,- I have received and read with thankfulness and pleasure your denunciation of the abuses of tobacco and wine. Yet, however sound in its principles, I expect it will be but a sermon to the wind. You will find it as difficult to inculcate these sanative precepts on the sensualities of the present day, as to convince an Athanasian that there is but one God. I wish success to both attempts, and am happy to learn from you that the latter, at least, is making progress, and the more rapidly in proportion as our Platonizing Christians make more stir and noise about it. The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.
1. That there is one only God, and he all perfect.
2. That there is a future state of rewards and punishments.
3. That to love God with all thy heart and thy neighbor as thyself, is the sum of religion
he believed in the "doctrines" of jesus... he did not believe in the deification of jesus and had all of the "miracles", etc, removed from the version of the bible he had made for himself.
he said G-d was perfect, not Jesus, which i believe fits with the fact that he was a deist. that's consistent with the above statements, as well, imo.
He believed in God.
He also said he was a Christian, a sect of one.
Epicureanism and Christianity are not compatible since Epicureans believe that the soul dies with the body.
You are looking for consistency in TJ's writings?
Too bad more in this country don't follow that credo.Say nothing of my religion. It is known to my god and myself alone.
-- Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to John Adams
Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person's life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the "wall of separation between church and state," therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society. - Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists (1808)
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")
There is no what if's.........
Now, if a child refuses to stand for the pledge then I would say that the teacher has a responsibility to work with the child and the childs parents to teach that child the respect for others in the room.
They shouldn't be forced to say or even learn the pledge, but when it is being said they should at least learn the respect to stand quietly.
I'm sure some of you have a problem with that to. Too bad for you.
So the non-believer should be taught to show respect for the believers, but the believers not taught to show respect for the non-believer.
Somehow that post of yours didn't surprise me.
And how is it showing any disrespect to the non-believer? They can stand there and laugh to themselves for all I would care.
Let me explain with an example. As the current Commander of my local American Legion Post i attend a lot of functions, many times i attend a funeral service in a catholic church. I do not participate in many of their rituals, because it is not my belief. If they get on their knees I sit quietly, when they get in line for their communion or whatever they call it I remain in my place. But I show their religion respect.
Common courtesy. It really does go a long way.
Now should they change their service because someone who believes differently is there?
On Saturday evening i will be hosting an Awards banquet for some of the local HS kids. (In my capacity as Commander) It is not a religious event, and there will be no clergy there. However, we will post the flags and before diner I will ask the Post Chaplain to say grace. I bet that no matter what the religion of those kids might be, they and their parents will stand up for the prayer.
Respect, it really is as simple as that.............
Epicureanism and Christianity are not compatible since Epicureans believe that the soul dies with the body.
You are looking for consistency in TJ's writings?
If there is one person whose consistency in philosophy and thought never wavered - be it religious, social or political - it was Thomas Jefferson.
And especially so about his religious convictions -
Too bad more in this country don't follow that credo.
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782Doesn't sound like TJ was conflicted in the least about how he felt about religion, in general, and Christianity, specifically. In fact, none of the original signers of the Declaration of Independence were Christians. They did, however, as do billions of people on the planet, believe in God.I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")
Considering this argument won't die regardless of how much written evidence to the contrary is presented, one is left with two possibilities. Either Christians are very insecure about their beliefs or they just simply cannot read.
The difference between founder's belief in a supreme being / creator and yours is that they did not have the benefit of the scientific proof regarding evolutionary biolgy. You have it....but pretend it does not exist.
... LORD!
Epicureanism and Christianity are not compatible since Epicureans believe that the soul dies with the body.
You are looking for consistency in TJ's writings?
If there is one person whose consistency in philosophy and thought never wavered - be it religious, social or political - it was Thomas Jefferson. And especially so about his religious convictions - Too bad more in this country don't follow that credo.Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782Doesn't sound like TJ was conflicted in the least about how he felt about religion, in general, and Christianity, specifically. In fact, none of the original signers of the Declaration of Independence were Christians. They did, however, as do billions of people on the planet, believe in God. Considering this argument won't die regardless of how much written evidence to the contrary is presented, one is left with two possibilities. Either Christians are very insecure about their beliefs or they just simply cannot read.I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")
Epicureanism and Christianity are not compatible since Epicureans believe that the soul dies with the body.
You are looking for consistency in TJ's writings?
If there is one person whose consistency in philosophy and thought never wavered - be it religious, social or political - it was Thomas Jefferson.
And especially so about his religious convictions -
Too bad more in this country don't follow that credo.
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")
Doesn't sound like TJ was conflicted in the least about how he felt about religion, in general, and Christianity, specifically. In fact, none of the original signers of the Declaration of Independence were Christians. They did, however, as do billions of people on the planet, believe in God.
Considering this argument won't die regardless of how much written evidence to the contrary is presented, one is left with two possibilities. Either Christians are very insecure about their beliefs or they just simply cannot read.
The difference between founder's belief in a supreme being / creator and yours is that they did not have the benefit of the scientific proof regarding evolutionary biolgy. You have it....but pretend it does not exist.
The difference between founder's belief in a supreme being / creator and yours is that they did not have the benefit of the scientific proof regarding evolutionary biolgy. You have it....but pretend it does not exist.
You know something I don't know? I've never seen any proof that God doesn't exist.
LORD!
This thread isn't really about standing or sitting for the pledge but I'm curious to know if you consider it respectful to sit while others kneel (in chruch) why isn't it respectful to sit while others stand (in school)?There is no what if's.........
Now, if a child refuses to stand for the pledge then I would say that the teacher has a responsibility to work with the child and the childs parents to teach that child the respect for others in the room.
They shouldn't be forced to say or even learn the pledge, but when it is being said they should at least learn the respect to stand quietly.
I'm sure some of you have a problem with that to. Too bad for you.
So the non-believer should be taught to show respect for the believers, but the believers not taught to show respect for the non-believer.
Somehow that post of yours didn't surprise me.
And how is it showing any disrespect to the non-believer? They can stand there and laugh to themselves for all I would care.
Let me explain with an example. As the current Commander of my local American Legion Post i attend a lot of functions, many times i attend a funeral service in a catholic church. I do not participate in many of their rituals, because it is not my belief. If they get on their knees I sit quietly, when they get in line for their communion or whatever they call it I remain in my place. But I show their religion respect.
Common courtesy. It really does go a long way.
Now should they change their service because someone who believes differently is there?
On Saturday evening i will be hosting an Awards banquet for some of the local HS kids. (In my capacity as Commander) It is not a religious event, and there will be no clergy there. However, we will post the flags and before diner I will ask the Post Chaplain to say grace. I bet that no matter what the religion of those kids might be, they and their parents will stand up for the prayer.
Respect, it really is as simple as that.............
"His"? Are you referencing a particular god?"Creator", "God"....same diff
We used to be unafraid to say His name.
Now, with the arrival of extreme PC, we kick Him to the curb.
Not a wise move IMO
Thomas Jefferson quotes
In spite of right-wing Christian attempts to rewrite history to make Jefferson into a Christian, little about his philosophy resembles that of Christianity. Although Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence wrote of the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God, there exists nothing in the Declaration about Christianity. Although Jefferson believed in a Creator, his concept of it resembled that of the god of deism (the term "Nature's God" used by deists of the time).
