one nation, under god

[Dr.Drock]

Teaching respect for others is not indoctrination Jake. Nor did I say forced anything. What is wrong with showing enough respect to other people in the room to stand quietly while they say the pledge?

Anyone who can't do at least that does not deserve the name American.........

Careful on who is and is not American. I served just like you, I move poorly each day because of my service just like you, I get my pension and my VA medical care just like you. If you believe your way is the only way of being American, I suggest, quietly yet firmly, better think again.

Address the fucking issue Jake, do you mean that you think someone should sit on their ass during the pledge of allegiance? Do you believe it is too much to ask that at a minimum they stand quietly while others recite it? Come on Jake show your socialist ass.....

Is forcing someone to stand so they can be part of the group socialist, or is someone individually sitting socialist?

Is forcing someone to stand so they can be part of a group individualist, or is someone individually sitting individualist?

 

[Dr.Drock]

I don't think so.

yeah i think so. You want to force people to stand and submit to your opinion or now they are not americans.

Irony

Hey asshole, all I ask for is respect. Isn't that something that we are supposed to teach our children? Or is that something you don't believe in too?

No they shouldn't be forced to respect a belief in god, just like i don't want to force you to respect my lack of a belief in a god.

 

[SFC Ollie]

SO it is wrong to teach our children respect for others.

Got it...

You are now officially an asshole.

 

[HUGGY]

Teaching respect for others is not indoctrination Jake. Nor did I say forced anything. What is wrong with showing enough respect to other people in the room to stand quietly while they say the pledge?

Anyone who can't do at least that does not deserve the name American.........

Careful on who is and is not American. I served just like you, I move poorly each day because of my service just like you, I get my pension and my VA medical care just like you. If you believe your way is the only way of being American, I suggest, quietly yet firmly, better think again.

Address the fucking issue Jake, do you mean that you think someone should sit on their ass during the pledge of allegiance? Do you believe it is too much to ask that at a minimum they stand quietly while others recite it? Come on Jake show your socialist ass.....

I think if I wanna sit there and stare at the cheerleaders asses and pick my nose while you fascist fucks stand and salute or have your arm way up and out there palm down and say "god bless america" or "heil hitler" it's none of your fucking buisiness.

I already know I'm an American...I don't need your approval about it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Teaching respect for others is not indoctrination Jake. Nor did I say forced anything. What is wrong with showing enough respect to other people in the room to stand quietly while they say the pledge?

Anyone who can't do at least that does not deserve the name American.........

Careful on who is and is not American. I served just like you, I move poorly each day because of my service just like you, I get my pension and my VA medical care just like you. If you believe your way is the only way of being American, I suggest, quietly yet firmly, better think again.

Address the fucking issue Jake, do you mean that you think someone should sit on their ass during the pledge of allegiance? Do you believe it is too much to ask that at a minimum they stand quietly while others recite it? Come on Jake show your socialist ass.....

I am as American, vetern, pensioned, VA'd, and pro flag as you, Ollie, so stop being the demagogue, OK?

I will say it more loudly, because you are not listening. YOUR WAY IS NOT THE ONLY WAY TO BE AMERICAN, and I would say it loudly to your face during a post meeting.

Either you support the Constitution, or you don't.

I for one would like to know where you stand.

 

[Dr.Drock]

SO it is wrong to teach our children respect for others.

Got it...

You are now officially an asshole.

Lol I love it.

I'm asking you to respect a child who is a non-believer and not have him pointed out for his beliefs in a classroom.

But you don't want to respect that child, and you aren't an asshole, you're a morally superior human being for wanting a child to be forced to go against his/her beliefs.

We all should learn from such a wise, moral person like yourself.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I pray Ollie does not go smart mouf or potty mouf on this.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

SO it is wrong to teach our children respect for others.

Got it...

You are now officially an asshole.

Lol I love it.

I'm asking you to respect a child who is a non-believer and not have him pointed out for his beliefs in a classroom.

But you don't want to respect that child, and you aren't an asshole, you're a morally superior human being for wanting a child to be forced to go against his/her beliefs.

We all should learn from such a wise, moral person like yourself.

The children are not pledging their allegiance to God you moron!

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The pledge endorses the concept of God.

 

[Valerie]

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.


In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."



In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."




In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

The Pledge of Allegiance




In 2012, in response to an S&P downgrade many citizens encouraged Congress to add the words "under crushing debt" as well as an addendum in defense of traditional Family Values, creating the 35-word pledge we say today. Today it reads:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under crushing debt, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all (except the gheys)."

 

[SFC Ollie]

I made a simple statement, I spelled it out for you in plain simple terms, and some here are too stupid to understand it.

Let's review what I have said in this thread:

Post 174:
"The 2 words should be removed if the majority wants them removed.

The 2 words should not be removed to please a small minority. "

Post 225

"They shouldn't be forced to say or even learn the pledge, but when it is being said they should at least learn the respect to stand quietly."


Post 261
"Once again, remove the words if the majority wants them removed.

Leave them be if they are to be removed for a small minority. Which seems to be the case.

Unfortunately the majority today won't care unless their handlers tell them to.... Left or right......"


Now I have tried to reason with some of you over these basic concepts of Respect for the flag and respect for others in the room. But it seems as though respect is not what we want our children to learn........ That is not my America........

 

[Dr.Drock]

I made a simple statement, I spelled it out for you in plain simple terms, and some here are too stupid to understand it.

Let's review what I have said in this thread:

Post 174:
"The 2 words should be removed if the majority wants them removed.

The 2 words should not be removed to please a small minority. "

Post 225

"They shouldn't be forced to say or even learn the pledge, but when it is being said they should at least learn the respect to stand quietly."


Post 261
"Once again, remove the words if the majority wants them removed.

Leave them be if they are to be removed for a small minority. Which seems to be the case.

Unfortunately the majority today won't care unless their handlers tell them to.... Left or right......"


Now I have tried to reason with some of you over these basic concepts of Respect for the flag and respect for others in the room. But it seems as though respect is not what we want our children to learn........ That is not my America........

Majority shouldn't matter, we're a country with laws to protect minority views.

They shouldn't be forced to show respect for something, i prefer freedom.

No one should be forced to respect the flag, if someone doesn't want to stand during the pledge they should have that right, if they want to burn a flag they should have that right, if they want to burn a cross they should have that right. Even if i disagree with someone's view, i'll never disagree with their rights.

 

[Dr.Drock]

SO it is wrong to teach our children respect for others.

Got it...

You are now officially an asshole.

Lol I love it.

I'm asking you to respect a child who is a non-believer and not have him pointed out for his beliefs in a classroom.

But you don't want to respect that child, and you aren't an asshole, you're a morally superior human being for wanting a child to be forced to go against his/her beliefs.

We all should learn from such a wise, moral person like yourself.

The children are not pledging their allegiance to God you moron!

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

They're pledging that this nation is under god, which assumes there is a god, which not everyone assumes.

You moron lol, yes act like a 3rd grader to try and make your point. Well done.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Lol I love it.

I'm asking you to respect a child who is a non-believer and not have him pointed out for his beliefs in a classroom.

But you don't want to respect that child, and you aren't an asshole, you're a morally superior human being for wanting a child to be forced to go against his/her beliefs.
Ww
We all should learn from such a wise, moral person like yourself.

The children are not pledging their allegiance to God you moron!

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

And what if said child doesnt want to stand because he /she thinks this nation is broken?
What if they dislike obama?
I seem to remember a lot of folks hanging their flags upside down.

Pledging the flag? So then you have no issue with the word being removed?
Good to know.

Then I would say they are unpatriotic just like most liberals.

Yes pledge to the flag and to the Republic for which it stands. It's simply an expression of loyalty to one's country. You may not like the current govt. but you should remain loyal to the country. And those that refuse to show their loyalty is as I've said unpatriotic.

I think the word should stay because I believe we are one nation under God. It's as plain and the words written in our Declaration of Independence.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

The pledge endorses the concept of God.

Only an idiot would believe that.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I made a simple statement, I spelled it out for you in plain simple terms, and some here are too stupid to understand it.

Let's review what I have said in this thread:

Post 174:
"The 2 words should be removed if the majority wants them removed.

The 2 words should not be removed to please a small minority. "

Post 225

"They shouldn't be forced to say or even learn the pledge, but when it is being said they should at least learn the respect to stand quietly."


Post 261
"Once again, remove the words if the majority wants them removed.

Leave them be if they are to be removed for a small minority. Which seems to be the case.

Unfortunately the majority today won't care unless their handlers tell them to.... Left or right......"


Now I have tried to reason with some of you over these basic concepts of Respect for the flag and respect for others in the room. But it seems as though respect is not what we want our children to learn........ That is not my America........

Majority shouldn't matter, we're a country with laws to protect minority views.

They shouldn't be forced to show respect for something, i prefer freedom.

No one should be forced to respect the flag, if someone doesn't want to stand during the pledge they should have that right, if they want to burn a flag they should have that right, if they want to burn a cross they should have that right. Even if i disagree with someone's view, i'll never disagree with their rights.

So again you think teaching children to disrespect others is OK.........
Don't get me started on burning a flag.........

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Lol I love it.

I'm asking you to respect a child who is a non-believer and not have him pointed out for his beliefs in a classroom.

But you don't want to respect that child, and you aren't an asshole, you're a morally superior human being for wanting a child to be forced to go against his/her beliefs.

We all should learn from such a wise, moral person like yourself.

The children are not pledging their allegiance to God you moron!

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

They're pledging that this nation is under god, which assumes there is a god, which not everyone assumes.

You moron lol, yes act like a 3rd grader to try and make your point. Well done.

This is a nation under God. So what's the problem?

Don't believe in God..... then don't invoke His name in recitation.

You do not have the right to not be offended. You liberals need to grow a pair and stop acting like children.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The pledge endorses the concept of God.

Only an idiot would believe that.

Only an idiot like you would defend the indefensible.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No one has the right to insist on either atheism or God in the classroom.

That is a violation of the Constitution. You hard core so-called 'Christians' and you idiot atheists need to stop with the you have right to insist on your beliefs at the expense of tax-papers money.

You don't have that right. This not about being offensive, this is about what is constitutional.

 

[Dr.Drock]

I made a simple statement, I spelled it out for you in plain simple terms, and some here are too stupid to understand it.

Let's review what I have said in this thread:

Post 174:
"The 2 words should be removed if the majority wants them removed.

The 2 words should not be removed to please a small minority. "

Post 225

"They shouldn't be forced to say or even learn the pledge, but when it is being said they should at least learn the respect to stand quietly."


Post 261
"Once again, remove the words if the majority wants them removed.

Leave them be if they are to be removed for a small minority. Which seems to be the case.

Unfortunately the majority today won't care unless their handlers tell them to.... Left or right......"


Now I have tried to reason with some of you over these basic concepts of Respect for the flag and respect for others in the room. But it seems as though respect is not what we want our children to learn........ That is not my America........

Majority shouldn't matter, we're a country with laws to protect minority views.

They shouldn't be forced to show respect for something, i prefer freedom.

No one should be forced to respect the flag, if someone doesn't want to stand during the pledge they should have that right, if they want to burn a flag they should have that right, if they want to burn a cross they should have that right. Even if i disagree with someone's view, i'll never disagree with their rights.

So again you think teaching children to disrespect others is OK.........
Don't get me started on burning a flag.........

No, i wouldn't teach them that. But if someone doesn't respect a belief in god, he/she should have that freedom.

I hate burning flags too, should it be illegal? No