one Solid Reason Trump Will Win; Hillary is Low Energy

[JimBowie1958]

poor desperate angry little boy

it is irrelevant and should be dismissed

you'd know that if you didn't reject anything that doesn't support your wishful thinking.

i'd recommend that cookie.

No, online polls like that are indicators of enthusiasm and are generally off, but not by 100%, dude.

And no, I dont reject everything that disagrees with my thinking. I have changed far more of my personal beliefs over my 58 years of reading, thinking and discussion than you EVER will, hon.

You just think you were lucky to be born in a demographic group that is always right because you are just that dumb.

BTW, do you know what an unwarranted assertion is?

I'm just wondering because you do it in every god damned post you EVER fucking make, stupid shit.

 

[Mac1958]

The beauty of this echo chamber thing is that, if the polls aren't wrong and Trump gets smeared, it will only be because the election was rigged.

Somebody better find a way to grab control of this party pretty fuckin' soon, because one party rule is probably not a very good thing.
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roflmao, you are in the echo chamber, how ironic you speak as though it is me.

I am not a Democrat or a Republican. In 2012 I hated Romney and in 2008 I despised that traitorous collaborator McCain.

I am telling you what I see in the polls, after having supported Sanders through most of the primary season.

And the best you can come up with is, 'Duh, he must be in da echo chamber, hahahah, duh.'

What the fuck is with you, dude, you used to be able to think for yourself?

I'm just remembering 2012 very vividly, and I think a significant portion of the GOP has essentially lost its mind.

And I suspect that the time I "used to be able to think for myself" coincided directly with positions I took with which you agreed.
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[Toro]

One solid reason Trump will win: "I really, really, really, really, really want him to. I'm going to ignore his disastrous campaign and all the polls saying he's going to get slaughtered, claim a giant conspiracy and that all the polls are rigged, and grasp onto any thin reed I can to make myself feel better."

 

[Mac1958]

One solid reason Trump will win: "I really, really, really, really, really want him to. I'm going to ignore his disastrous campaign and all the polls saying he's going to get slaughtered, claim a giant conspiracy and that all the polls are rigged, and grasp onto any thin reed I can to make myself feel better."

This was the approach in 2012. "Romney will win because I hate Obama and I think that everyone else should too". I asked several times for empirical evidence and didn't get much.

The weird thing was, they were just SO DAMN SURE, they had me wondering if they were right.

That was one helluva month, and here we go again.
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[JimBowie1958]

I'm just remembering 2012 very vividly, and I think a significant portion of the GOP has essentially lost its mind.

My, that is a very specific, scientific and objective statement.

Any other pearls of wisdom to share today?

"The GOP is certifiably insane" - if that isnt an indicator of a Democratic Party hack, I dont think such a thing exists.

How do you imitate a Dem hack so well without being one? roflmao

And I suspect that the time I "used to be able to think for myself" coincided directly with positions I took with which you agreed.
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Well, let me see my index of controversial issues that you might agree with me on.

I support Nordic Model Socialism. We will have no choice in the next twenty years or so; the voters will demand it as jobs dry up.

I support the Social Security Program and regard anyone that wants to end it as either ignorant to the point of stupidity or is simply a liar.

I support gun rights to empower the individual to be able to protect themselves. Guns have saved more womens lives over the last 50 years than a feminazi ever did.

I do not support Black Lies Matter as they are an violent group of Marxists. And I note that Hillary Rodham of the royal house Clinton does support them. Do you ever think about what that actually means? The USA will become Ferguson MO on a national scale, possibly.

I support reform of the ACA instead of abolishing it. It is helping millions of people who need health care to get it. It is worth saving but both parties need to work out the problems with it.

I support developing a moderate set of allies in Muslim areas in the Middle East, North Africa and Southern Asia instead of engaging in genocide against them.

I support lowering taxes on the Middle Class and removing the cap on Social Security for the upper income earners.

I favor enforcing our trade agreements against currency manipulation, product dumping or copyright infringement.

I support immigration reform that does not allow illegals to cut ahead in line in front of those trying to get here legally.

I support more investments in technological research and planning for the consequences of the Robotics Revolution.

I support a Universal Basic Income.

I support removing all state limits to health insurance or any other kind of insurance and introducing interstate competition among insurance companies.

I support further scientific research and technological development.

I agree with the Theory of Evolution from a theistic perspective.

I support the concept of case law and see it as an organic part of the Constitution until changed by an amendment.

I support the use of federal funds to help people in need when the state refuses to. This is consistent with the principle of Subsidiarity which was well known to the Founding Fathers.

I support gay rights except in regard to marriage (civil unions are fine, IMO), and I have not changed my mind on this topic for the last twenty five years.

I oppose racism in all races, and do not excuse it simply because it sometimes comes from a black or Hispanic mouth.

I support advanced education and think that state colleges and universities should have free tuition like the rest of the advanced industrial nations around the globe. It is an investment in the future generations of tax payers that pays itself back many times over.

I suspect we agree on more than we disagree on, but since I dont share your worshipful prostration to polls and the leaders of the Democratic Party, who seem to be mostly crooks, fools and morons these days, I am obviously an uneducated red neck.

But you are not being an ideologue, roflmao, I am just a brainless Trumper, lol.

 

[JimBowie1958]

One solid reason Trump will win: "I really, really, really, really, really want him to. I'm going to ignore his disastrous campaign and all the polls saying he's going to get slaughtered, claim a giant conspiracy and that all the polls are rigged, and grasp onto any thin reed I can to make myself feel better."

One indicator that a person has done a fair amount of reading and has an objective, balanced and rational comprehension of a subject is the demonstrated ability to recite and explain both sides of an issue.

Once again, you have demonstrated yourself to not only be ignorant, but too dull to realize it as well.

 

[JimBowie1958]

This was the approach in 2012. "Romney will win because I hate Obama and I think that everyone else should too". I asked several times for empirical evidence and didn't get much.

The weird thing was, they were just SO DAMN SURE, they had me wondering if they were right.

That was one helluva month, and here we go again.
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Because history always repeats itself, isnt that right, huh?

And we know it will be a repeat of 2012 instead of 1980 because.......

Why?

Mac, you dont have a single reason you are supporting these ridiculous polls that give Clinton a 15% lead one day then a 1% lead two days later. NOT ONE other than your genuflecting your ass off as though that will make it all magically true.

Why do you believe it is rational that Clintons lead dropped by FOURTEEN PERCENTAGE POINTS IN TWO DAYS?

That is horse shit and you know it, you just are too afraid to give it any thought lest your pleasant fantasies suddenly become untenable.

 

[Toro]

One solid reason Trump will win: "I really, really, really, really, really want him to. I'm going to ignore his disastrous campaign and all the polls saying he's going to get slaughtered, claim a giant conspiracy and that all the polls are rigged, and grasp onto any thin reed I can to make myself feel better."

One indicator that a person has done a fair amount of reading and has an objective, balanced and rational comprehension of a subject is the demonstrated ability to recite and explain both sides of an issue.

Once again, you have demonstrated yourself to not only be ignorant, but too dull to realize it as well.

I'm satirizing your mindset, which is pretty obvious.

When my football team is down 21 points in the 4th quarter, I'm not convincing myself that I'm losing because the refs and the league are conspiring against me, and that my team is really winning.

But that's what you are doing.

 

[Toro]

This was the approach in 2012. "Romney will win because I hate Obama and I think that everyone else should too". I asked several times for empirical evidence and didn't get much.

The weird thing was, they were just SO DAMN SURE, they had me wondering if they were right.

That was one helluva month, and here we go again.
.

Because history always repeats itself, isnt that right, huh?

And we know it will be a repeat of 2012 instead of 1980 because.......

Why?

Mac, you dont have a single reason you are supporting these ridiculous polls that give Clinton a 15% lead one day then a 1% lead two days later. NOT ONE other than your genuflecting your ass off as though that will make it all magically true.

Why do you believe it is rational that Clintons lead dropped by FOURTEEN PERCENTAGE POINTS IN TWO DAYS?

That is horse shit and you know it, you just are too afraid to give it any thought lest your pleasant fantasies suddenly become untenable.

You don't understand the context of the polls.

Hillary didn't suddenly drop 14 points in two days.

If a poll has her up by 14 points when the average of the polls is 5-7 points, then the poll that has her up by 14 is probably wrong, unless there is a spate of polls that follow with her up double digits.

In statistics, if you have an outlier in a sampled population, it's probably incorrect. It may not be, but it probably is.

So you doesn't key off one outlier to draw a conclusion.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I'm satirizing your mindset, which is pretty obvious.

Generally 0one has to have an accurate grasp of what another is stating before one can perform satir on anything.

And since you contiually demonstrate a complete ignorance of what I am trying to tell you, you are not satirizing me, but a figment of your imagination, which is pretty obvious

When my football team is down 21 points in the 4th quarter, I'm not convincing myself that I'm losing because the refs and the league are conspiring against me, and that my team is really winning.

The score in a football game is not even remotely similar to what polls do. A poll is like an estimate of who will win BEFORE the game starts, the game being election day.

And frequently good, scientific polls are shown to be head-spinningly wrong. Junk polls that show Clinton losing a 15% lead in 2 days are not just junk, they are a pile of shit, and you would recognize that were you not such a Clinton fan bois.

But that's what you are doing.

No, actually I am not, but assplaining it to you for the fifth time on the same thread is just boring now.

Good luck!

 

[Toro]

I'm satirizing your mindset, which is pretty obvious.

Generally 0one has to have an accurate grasp of what another is stating before one can perform satir on anything.

And since you contiually demonstrate a complete ignorance of what I am trying to tell you, you are not satirizing me, but a figment of your imagination, which is pretty obvious

When my football team is down 21 points in the 4th quarter, I'm not convincing myself that I'm losing because the refs and the league are conspiring against me, and that my team is really winning.

The score in a football game is not even remotely similar to what polls do. A poll is like an estimate of who will win BEFORE the game starts, the game being election day.

And frequently good, scientific polls are shown to be head-spinningly wrong. Junk polls that show Clinton losing a 15% lead in 2 days are not just junk, they are a pile of shit, and you would recognize that were you not such a Clinton fan bois.

But that's what you are doing.

No, actually I am not, but assplaining it to you for the fifth time on the same thread is just boring now.

Good luck!

Well, you certainly don't have an accurate grasp of what you are stating. That's why you keep going back to all this nonsense about the polls being rigged. The idea that Trump is actually leading when he's down by 5 to 7 points in the polls is ridiculous. You are lying to yourself because you can't admit the obvious.

The game is played up to the election, not just on election day. Perhaps a better analogy is Trump being down by 21 points in the middle of the 3rd quarter. He can still come back to win. But he is still down. It's like you saying that he's not really down by 21 points because the opposing team only has 50 more yards of offense, or only 4 more first downs. But all that matters is scoreboard.

If this were a football game, Trump would have committed 12 turnovers, he has been so fucking bad.

Remember when Trump said he was going to pivot, and be so Presidential, that no one else could be as Presidential as he?

Yeah.

 

[JimBowie1958]

You don't understand the context of the polls.

Oh, now it is context, not just pile of shit polling, got it.

Hillary didn't suddenly drop 14 points in two days.

Oh, but she did, according to your sacred polls, dude. The same unquestionable polls that show Trump is going to lose fer sherrrrrr.

If a poll has her up by 14 points when the average of the polls is 5-7 points, then the poll that has her up by 14 is probably wrong, unless there is a spate of polls that follow with her up double digits.

But, but, but you were saying these SCIENTIFIC POLLS, unlike an online poll, are ACCURATE.

Lol, admit it, you dont know what the fuck you are talking about, not one little tid bit.

Pollsters specialize in one thing; giving the polls sponsor the results they want while making it look as objective and with as demographically correct a sampling as possible.

That means that if the pollsters are hired to lie using statistics, they will do so. They like that green shit. Just like Standard and Poors, Moody and Fitch.

In statistics, if you have an outlier in a sampled population, it's probably incorrect. It may not be, but it probably is.

Which is why I have been saying a 4% lead over Trump is more realistic and likely, but you gotta push that "Trump is a sure loser, fer sher mahn" horseshit and cant admit it til now, lol.

So you doesn't key off one outlier to draw a conclusion.

I am using your words to show what a blithering fool you are.
So sue me, dude, lol.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Well, you certainly don't have an accurate grasp of what you are stating. That's why you keep going back to all this nonsense about the polls being rigged. The idea that Trump is actually leading when he's down by 5 to 7 points in the polls is ridiculous.

I dont say that Trump is leading. I say he is trailing by about 4% and will win because the TRENDS are all lined up to his advantage.

The game is played up to the election, not just on election day. Perhaps a better analogy is Trump being down by 21 points in the middle of the 3rd quarter. He can still come back to win. But he is still down. It's like you saying that he's not really down by 21 points because the opposing team only has 50 more yards of offense, or only 4 more first downs. But all that matters is scoreboard.

No, it is not like that at all, dumbass.

It is amazing that I can tell you that I think Trump is down by only 4% and you keep repeating back that I think Trump is currently ahead.

roflmao

If this were a football game, Trump would have committed 12 turnovers, he has been so fucking bad.

No, if this were a football game you would be telling me on Friday before the game that the New England Patriots cant lose because their stats are so much better than the New York Giants and besides the Patriots havent lost all year...then suddenly they do.

 

[HUGGY]

This election has been a hoot and only promises to plunge further into the absurd and grotesque as time goes on.

We are actually supposed to elect a known theif,liar, bribe taking Marxist supporting lunatic instead of a rude but very successful business man all because the media Talking Heads dont think he can run a campaign, despite them being proven wrong about him completely for the last year?

roflmao lolololololo

Trump was the media darling right up til he won the primary. Now they are using every crazy thing HE SAID against him. If he had kept his bizarre nature to himself he would still be the media darling and take this election in a huge landslide.

Nobody is inventing anything on Trump.

 

[Toro]

I'm supporting Gary Johnson. The polls are all lying. He's really at 30%, not 8%

 

[JimBowie1958]

Trump was the media darling right up til he won the primary. Now they are using every crazy thing HE SAID against him. If he had kept his bizarre nature to himself he would still be the media darling and take this election in a huge landslide.

Wow, move the goal posts!

Lets do a little experiment, Huggy Wuggy.

Give me ONE specific statement that Trump made and lets dig into it, OK?

Just give me one crazy statement and lets dig into it and see what was so crazy about it. JUST ONE!

 

[JimBowie1958]

I'm supporting Gary Johnson. The polls are all lying. He's really at 30%, not 8%

So now it is sarcasm.

You finally throwing in the towel too?

You're just a loser, Toro, so admit it and go back to playing with your Ken doll.

 

[Toro]

Well, you certainly don't have an accurate grasp of what you are stating. That's why you keep going back to all this nonsense about the polls being rigged. The idea that Trump is actually leading when he's down by 5 to 7 points in the polls is ridiculous.

I dont say that Trump is leading. I say he is trailing by about 4% and will win because the TRENDS are all lined up to his advantage.

The game is played up to the election, not just on election day. Perhaps a better analogy is Trump being down by 21 points in the middle of the 3rd quarter. He can still come back to win. But he is still down. It's like you saying that he's not really down by 21 points because the opposing team only has 50 more yards of offense, or only 4 more first downs. But all that matters is scoreboard.

No, it is not like that at all, dumbass.

It is amazing that I can tell you that I think Trump is down by only 4% and you keep repeating back that I think Trump is currently ahead.

roflmao

If this were a football game, Trump would have committed 12 turnovers, he has been so fucking bad.

No, if this were a football game you would be telling me on Friday before the game that the New England Patriots cant lose because their stats are so much better than the New York Giants and besides the Patriots havent lost all year...then suddenly they do.

You've been whining and bitching about the polls for weeks now. And it's not because you think they are inaccurate. It's because your boy is getting hammered.

And yes, the election could be the Giants scoring a last minute TD. Or it could be the Seahawks up 28 against the Broncos at halftime. If a team is losing by two TDs and keeps committing bizarre turnovers, I'm not betting on that team.

 

[HUGGY]

Trump was the media darling right up til he won the primary. Now they are using every crazy thing HE SAID against him. If he had kept his bizarre nature to himself he would still be the media darling and take this election in a huge landslide.

Wow, move the goal posts!

Lets do a little experiment, Huggy Wuggy.

Give me ONE specific statement that Trump made and lets dig into it, OK?

Just give me one crazy statement and lets dig into it and see what was so crazy about it. JUST ONE!

"1. “An ‘extremely credible source’ has called my office and told me that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a fraud"

Trump was determined to 'expose' President Obama’s birthplace back in 2012, and even claimed to have sent investigators to Hawaii in the hopes of proving Obama wasn’t born in the United States."

Donald Trump: The man behind the mouth

 

[JimBowie1958]

You've been whining and bitching about the polls for weeks now. And it's not because you think they are inaccurate. It's because your boy is getting hammered.

I have pointed out that polling is not very accurate, and I posted on the Reuters polling where they decided to drop the 'Neither' category as it took the same data that gave Trump a very narrow 1% edge and changed it into a 4% edge for Clinton. The EXACT SAME DATA, and they knew it. That is rigging a poll.

The polls that only hit registered voters are inaccurate, IO, because Trump is pulling in huge numbers of new voters, so any polls of just registered voters are largely irrelevant other than to show where the dynamics are moving.

I have argued that some of these polls are just bullshit because they are so way off, what yo have called an 'outlier' and Trump islikely down by only about 4%, but that is OK as the general election is still months away and all the trends are moving for Trump right now.

And in your 0.15 amp brain, all that gets hashed into 'You dont like da polls cuz your boy is getting hammered, duh, huhuh.'

And yes, the election could be the Giants scoring a last minute TD. Or it could be the Seahawks up 28 against the Broncos at halftime. If a team is losing by two TDs and keeps committing bizarre turnovers, I'm not betting on that team.

The point is, Sherlock, the GAME is the ELECTION, not invisible snapshots of current opinion.

I dont care if you think Trump is down by 30%, I am totally confident he will not be down that much on November 8th.