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The punch line is you and your fellow dupes still believe Trump's lie about open borders and after 50 posts cannot define and articulate the meaning of open borders the way I have. Open borders mean unrestricted legal crossings of borders.dude, nice joke. what's the punch line?Open Borders is a nonsense lie. It's a misleading inaccurate misleading propaganda talking point. Supporters of Donald's lie are unable to articulate just what the heck it means in any kind of objective way.
America does not have open borders. There are many laws and rules restricting entering the USA and our detention facilities and prisons are full of people who thought America had open borders. Many immigrants have avoided legal repercussions for crossing our borders, but that is not the same as "Open Borders", whatever open borders mean.
Not what he said. You are adding your own spin and alleged mindreading skills.You must have stopped reading in the first sentence..How would that create an open border? Obvious proving merit would require customs and immigration involvement.Julian Castro does.Correct.Open Borders is a nonsense lie. It's a misleading inaccurate misleading propaganda talking point. Supporters of Donald's lie are unable to articulate just what the heck it means in any kind of objective way.
America does not have open borders. There are many laws and rules restricting entering the USA and our detention facilities and prisons are full of people who thought America had open borders. Many immigrants have avoided legal repercussions for crossing our borders, but that is not the same as "Open Borders", whatever open borders mean.
And no one advocates for open borders.
The notion is a ridiculous rightwing lie.
Julián Castro Wants To Redefine Which Immigrants Have 'Merit'
It goes on to say he wants to de-criminalize crossing the border illegally, which means he thinks the border is unnecessary. He might as well say the border is open and everyone can just come on in.
FYIBeto said he would tear down the wall. The debaters all said as much...crossing the border illegally would not be a "crime".....
It was a Civil Offense before 2007, which is not a Criminal Offense... it was not a crime, though still illegal. It became a crime, a misdemeanor, after Immigration reform passed.
Our problems right now is with all of these Asylum Seekers from Central America, not illegal Mexicans...
We need to figure out how to help keep these people in their own Countries, instead of selling everything that they own to make the long ass, excruciating trip here, only to be denied refugee status 95% of the time when they finally make it to immigration court, separating their kids from them, and keeping these kids, at $780 a day for each one of them, at the tax payers expense, in one facility alone housing 700 children and only 4 showers, with no soap or toothpaste/ tooth brushes....
Being CRUEL is not the answer to stopping this flow...
I think one of the solutions would be to allow the Border entry points to process them instead of essentially shutting them down to refugees and forcing them to cross outside of the border, overwhelming Border Patrol Agents,
And stack the courts from here to high heaven with Immigration Judges, so anyone that is seeking asylum has his or her court date within 2 to 3 weeks, keeping them together with their kids in detention until that court date, and using the $780 a day, per child that is separated, using that money to pay for all the courts and judges to handle the over flow.
What is happening now, is a 6 month to a year wait for their court hearing... they are having to be released, and then do not show up for their Court hearings in a lot of cases.
this makes their whole arduous trip worth it to them.... that chance.
If we stacked the courts with immigration judges and their cases were heard in 1 to 3 weeks, and then turned around and sent home immediately afterwards when they fail to meet refugee status in Court.... the flow here, will end up dwindling, because the 95% chance of denial, is real, and quick, with no chance to slip under the radar!
That actually was Bush2's position, let the Mexicans and others come and go to work here on Temporary work visas.... while never becoming citizens in the USA.I understand you are frustrated that an important propaganda nonsense talking point lie is being exposed in this thread. If as you claim the definition of the term open borders is so obvious, you should be able to define it.But you can't even define what open borders means. It's just a propaganda talking point lie you can not let go of.
Why would I need to define something that is COMPLETELY OBVIOUS? If you don't know what an open border is, you need to find some new forums. This is like going to a mathematics forum and asking "but what do you mean by that addition sign" in the mids of complicated theorems. Ridiculous, completely ridiculous.
Of course, let's be real, this is an extension of the "but define socialism" argument - a other completely idiotic failure. It didn't work then, it doesn't work now. Everyone knows what an open border is. You supporters of the thing especially.
For me, open borders mean unrestricted legal travel across borders.
Open border means... open border, for those with more than 60 IQ points. Perhaps a dictionary can help you?
a situation in which goods and people can enter and leave a country easily:
OPEN BORDER | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary
Which is the democrat position.
And why would care4all think that I care 4 Bush's position at all?
Open Borders is a nonsense lie. It's a misleading inaccurate misleading propaganda talking point. Supporters of Donald's lie are unable to articulate just what the heck it means in any kind of objective way.
America does not have open borders. There are many laws and rules restricting entering the USA and our detention facilities and prisons are full of people who thought America had open borders. Many immigrants have avoided legal repercussions for crossing our borders, but that is not the same as "Open Borders", whatever open borders mean.
FYIBeto said he would tear down the wall. The debaters all said as much...crossing the border illegally would not be a "crime".....
It was a Civil Offense before 2007, which is not a Criminal Offense... it was not a crime, though still illegal. It became a crime, a misdemeanor, after Immigration reform passed.
Our problems right now is with all of these Asylum Seekers from Central America, not illegal Mexicans...
We need to figure out how to help keep these people in their own Countries, instead of selling everything that they own to make the long ass, excruciating trip here, only to be denied refugee status 95% of the time when they finally make it to immigration court, separating their kids from them, and keeping these kids, at $780 a day for each one of them, at the tax payers expense, in one facility alone housing 700 children and only 4 showers, with no soap or toothpaste/ tooth brushes....
Being CRUEL is not the answer to stopping this flow...
I think one of the solutions would be to allow the Border entry points to process them instead of essentially shutting them down to refugees and forcing them to cross outside of the border, overwhelming Border Patrol Agents,
And stack the courts from here to high heaven with Immigration Judges, so anyone that is seeking asylum has his or her court date within 2 to 3 weeks, keeping them together with their kids in detention until that court date, and using the $780 a day, per child that is separated, using that money to pay for all the courts and judges to handle the over flow.
What is happening now, is a 6 month to a year wait for their court hearing... they are having to be released, and then do not show up for their Court hearings in a lot of cases.
this makes their whole arduous trip worth it to them.... that chance.
If we stacked the courts with immigration judges and their cases were heard in 1 to 3 weeks, and then turned around and sent home immediately afterwards when they fail to meet refugee status in Court.... the flow here, will end up dwindling, because the 95% chance of denial, is real, and quick, with no chance to slip under the radar!
That actually was Bush2's position, let the Mexicans and others come and go to work here on Temporary work visas.... while never becoming citizens in the USA.I understand you are frustrated that an important propaganda nonsense talking point lie is being exposed in this thread. If as you claim the definition of the term open borders is so obvious, you should be able to define it.Why would I need to define something that is COMPLETELY OBVIOUS? If you don't know what an open border is, you need to find some new forums. This is like going to a mathematics forum and asking "but what do you mean by that addition sign" in the mids of complicated theorems. Ridiculous, completely ridiculous.
Of course, let's be real, this is an extension of the "but define socialism" argument - a other completely idiotic failure. It didn't work then, it doesn't work now. Everyone knows what an open border is. You supporters of the thing especially.
For me, open borders mean unrestricted legal travel across borders.
Open border means... open border, for those with more than 60 IQ points. Perhaps a dictionary can help you?
a situation in which goods and people can enter and leave a country easily:
OPEN BORDER | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary
Which is the democrat position.
And why would care4all think that I care 4 Bush's position at all?
Did I say you did?
Open Borders is a nonsense lie. It's a misleading inaccurate misleading propaganda talking point. Supporters of Donald's lie are unable to articulate just what the heck it means in any kind of objective way.
America does not have open borders. There are many laws and rules restricting entering the USA and our detention facilities and prisons are full of people who thought America had open borders. Many immigrants have avoided legal repercussions for crossing our borders, but that is not the same as "Open Borders", whatever open borders mean.
“We swear we don’t want ‘open borders’, we just don’t want a wall, we want to provide wetbacks with safe havens, we want to give wetbacks the right to drive, we want to provide them with free education and healthcare, we want to abolish iCE, we want a pathway to citizenship for the 12-40 million illegal wetbacks here now, we want the 1.7 million DACA ‘kids’ gifted a form of citizenship and we want wetbacks to be able to become citizens without all the red tape....but, but, but....we swear, we don’t want open borders.”
Open Borders is a nonsense lie. It's a misleading inaccurate misleading propaganda talking point. Supporters of Donald's lie are unable to articulate just what the heck it means in any kind of objective way.
America does not have open borders. There are many laws and rules restricting entering the USA and our detention facilities and prisons are full of people who thought America had open borders. Many immigrants have avoided legal repercussions for crossing our borders, but that is not the same as "Open Borders", whatever open borders mean.
Open borders mean unrestricted legal crossings of borders.
One person asked what the difference between it being a criminal act instead of how it always was only a misdemeanor.
None of that applies to American borders.Open borders mean unrestricted legal crossings of borders.
Please provide a link to your 'Liberal Encyclopedia'....
"An open border is a border that enables free movement of people between jurisdictions with few or no restrictions on movement, that is to say lacking substantive border control.
A border may be an open border due to a lack of legal controls or intentional legislation allowing free movement of people across the border (de jure), or a border may be an open border due to lack of adequate enforcement or adequate supervision of the border (de facto)."
Open border - Wikipedia
45000 border Patrol and ICE agents, 700 miles of walls, the lord knows how many custom entry points that have to be passed through to come in legally, a visa program, a legal process for asylum seekers that denies them 95% of the time of being refugees etc. is hardly a situation of illegal entry being ignored or open borders...Open borders mean unrestricted legal crossings of borders.
Please provide a link to your 'Liberal Encyclopedia'....
"An open border is a border that enables free movement of people between jurisdictions with few or no restrictions on movement, that is to say lacking substantive border control.
A border may be an open border due to a lack of legal controls or intentional legislation allowing free movement of people across the border (de jure), or a border may be an open border due to lack of adequate enforcement or adequate supervision of the border (de facto)."
Open border - Wikipedia
45000 border Patrol and ICE agents, 700 miles of walls, the lord knows how many custom entry points that have to be passed through to come in legally, a visa program, a legal process for asylum seekers that denies them 95% of the time of being refugees etc. is hardly a situation of illegal entry being ignored or open borders...Open borders mean unrestricted legal crossings of borders.
Please provide a link to your 'Liberal Encyclopedia'....
"An open border is a border that enables free movement of people between jurisdictions with few or no restrictions on movement, that is to say lacking substantive border control.
A border may be an open border due to a lack of legal controls or intentional legislation allowing free movement of people across the border (de jure), or a border may be an open border due to lack of adequate enforcement or adequate supervision of the border (de facto)."
Open border - Wikipedia
Do we have a crisis right now with all of these Central Americans escape to USA....? Surely we do.... but the Trumpster actions have made it worse, instead of trying to solve the problem imo.
Beto said he would tear down the wall. The debaters all said as much...crossing the border illegally would not be a "crime".....
Again, a misleading post claiming O'Rourke called for "tearing down the wall" when he was talking about only the walls in his city of El Paso. Nowhere in the video does he speak of wanting "open borders".
Actually, fyi, it was always a Civil Offense, and a decade plus ago, became a Misdemeanor Crime.... it is NOT a felony crime, even now.... UNLESS the person got their court hearing, was DENIED legal status here, and then later tried to reenter or got caught in the USA, after they had been processed and denied and deported previously, then it is a Felony.One person asked what the difference between it being a criminal act instead of how it always was only a misdemeanor. But trump is using this as a way to try and make the refugees seem like criminals. They are not. They are refugees. He makes them a criminal so he can take their kids away and stuff them in cages without proper nutrition or basic hygiene We go around the world starting wars and creating million of refugees in the middle east. Now we are doing that at home. The right yells they are taking their jobs. Get an education and you won't lose your job to an illegal migrant. We see that we have over 6 million jobs that are going unfilled which stops growth if we do not get more workers.
Beto said he would tear down the wall. The debaters all said as much...crossing the border illegally would not be a "crime".....
Again, a misleading post claiming O'Rourke called for "tearing down the wall" when he was talking about only the walls in his city of El Paso. Nowhere in the video does he speak of wanting "open borders".
What do you think tearing down the wall in El Paso is?
its a fence Dilbert-
Beto said he would tear down the wall. The debaters all said as much...crossing the border illegally would not be a "crime".....
Again, a misleading post claiming O'Rourke called for "tearing down the wall" when he was talking about only the walls in his city of El Paso. Nowhere in the video does he speak of wanting "open borders".
What do you think tearing down the wall in El Paso is?
its a fence Dilbert-
Than why does he want to tear it down if it's just a fence?
Beto said he would tear down the wall. The debaters all said as much...crossing the border illegally would not be a "crime".....
Again, a misleading post claiming O'Rourke called for "tearing down the wall" when he was talking about only the walls in his city of El Paso. Nowhere in the video does he speak of wanting "open borders".
What do you think tearing down the wall in El Paso is?
Has nothing to do with creating an open border. I think folks are responding to this rhread with lame deflections and off topic nonsense.
Beto said he would tear down the wall. The debaters all said as much...crossing the border illegally would not be a "crime".....
Again, a misleading post claiming O'Rourke called for "tearing down the wall" when he was talking about only the walls in his city of El Paso. Nowhere in the video does he speak of wanting "open borders".
What do you think tearing down the wall in El Paso is?
its a fence Dilbert-
Than why does he want to tear it down if it's just a fence?
Do you think Beto is a candidate that will be in the primary a couple of months from now, or has a chance of being the nominee? I don't!
