Opponents in LGBT case agree: It's not about wedding cake

[Syriusly]

The public accommodation bill pretty much picks and chooses WHOM you can legally discriminate against. Um, really? We have the freedom to follow the rules we arbitrarily created to follow fleeting popular political causes, like something out of Orwell.

Yep, and the state of Oregon since it stepped in to bitch-slap the Kleins with fines and drove them out of business, is liable. You can't enforce an unconstitutional law using duress. .

If Oregon is 'liable'- then so is every single state that refused to issue a marriage license to a same gender couple.

Since the Supreme Court has already found such laws are unconstitutional- if you are correct- we can expect a flood of lawsuits against Georgia and Arizona and every other state that stepped in to bitch slap gay couples and deny them their Constitutional rights.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Don't have a business if you don't want to serve all customers

Where, in the Constitution, does it authorize government to compel one to waive one's essential Constitutional rights as a condition of being allowed to make an honest living?

 

[Syriusly]

Don't have a business if you don't want to serve all customers

Where, in the Constitution, does it authorize government to compel one to waive one's essential Constitutional rights as a condition of being allowed to make an honest living?

If a business owner sincerely held religious belief was that he was forbidden to pay a business tax- would that business owner be exempt from taxation?

Too far fetched? How about this- how about if a butcher declares that his sincerely held religious beliefs forbid him with complying with a cities rules and regulations regarding the slaughter and butchering of animals. That was an actual case- and the court ruled against the law which forbade the ritual slaughter of animals.

But only because the law was not neutral- it was in practice a ban on a religious practice.

Ritual sacrifice of chickens: religious freedom vs animal cruelty laws

Public Accommodation laws are religiously neutral- they don't target Christians or Jews or Mormons- they say all business owners must comply with the law- and can't use religion as an excuse to tell blacks that they aren't welcome.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Your problem being we Christians don't care what you think. Choose not to believe. It's your choice...but be tolerant of those that do.

But you are not a Christian, and you don't know what I believe anyway. I will not "tolerate" mistreatment of other people, though.

Listen up, twerp. You don't know me so cease pretending you do. It's patently obvious you don't have the first clue what you're blabbering about. Just another loud mouthed loon

Just stop trashing the Christian faith please. It is supposed to incorporate sanctity and spirituality.

Just stop trashing the Christian faith by declaring yourself the arbiter of it. If you want to design your own religion from the ground up, go the L. Ron Hubbard route and start your own church. Stop trying to tell other people what their beliefs are and how they're wrong about them and must immediately start practicing them the way you decree.

And by the way, clue in to the utter hypocrisy of treating Christians exactly the way you object to gays being treated, to demonstrate your anger at how gays are treated. You remind me of those deranged lunatics who shoot abortion doctors to demonstrate their respect for life.

Why don't you people stop trying to pull your bullshit on others? Telling people that something is "Christian" when it's not and you are just trying to bully others. What denomination are you people anyway?

Pull our bullshit on others? You mean making verifiable statements as to what is and is not part of mainstream Christian doctrine rather than trying to rewrite the entire thing to suit our personal preferences, the way you do? Is the bullying to which you refer the "unacceptable" behavior of holding beliefs you don't like, stating them clearly, and not even pretending to be ashamed because we disagree with you?

FYI, my denomination is none of your freaking business. None of my personal life is your freaking business, Nosy.

 

[Silhouette]

Public Accommodation laws are religiously neutral- they don't target Christians or Jews or Mormons- they say all business owners must comply with the law- and can't use religion as an excuse to tell blacks that they aren't welcome.

Well the problem is dear, that LGBT is behavioral and has no Constitutional protection. None. Not even an insinuation of Constitutional protection. And since they are deviant sex practitioners, Christians are forbidden under pains of eternal damnation to participate in any way, shape or form with normalizing their BEHAVIORS in ANY culture in which the Christian lives. Jude 1. Romans 1. New Testament of Jesus Christ.

It isn't an exaggeration to say that forcing a Christian to bake a "gay wedding" cake is one and the same as forcing them to pray to a goat's head on a satanic altar after sacrificing a chicken over a pentagram. It's the same eternal punishment either way. You simply cannot ask them to do that.

 

[Syriusly]

Public Accommodation laws are religiously neutral- they don't target Christians or Jews or Mormons- they say all business owners must comply with the law- and can't use religion as an excuse to tell blacks that they aren't welcome.

Well the problem is dear, that LGBT is behavioral .

Dear? LOL

Homosexuality is a sexual attraction to the same gender. Unlike religion- it is not a behavior.

Not that any of that is relevant.

Public Accommodation laws are religiously neutral- they don't target Christians or Jews or Mormons- they say all business owners must comply with the law- and can't use religion as an excuse to tell blacks that they aren't welcome- in any state- and in a few states- can't use religion as an excuse to tell gays that they aren't welcome.

 

[Syriusly]

Public Accommodation laws are religiously neutral- they don't target Christians or Jews or Mormons- they say all business owners must comply with the law- and can't use religion as an excuse to tell blacks that they aren't welcome.

It isn't an exaggeration to say that forcing a Christian to bake a "gay wedding" cake is one and the same as forcing them to pray to a goat's head on a satanic altar after sacrificing a chicken over a pentagram. It's the same eternal punishment either way. You simply cannot ask them to do that.

Uh yeah actually it is exactly an exaggeration- since the Bible never once tells any Christian ever that they can't bake a wedding cake for anyone.

Instead Romans tells Christians to follow the law- and once again- because unlike you I actually quote the Bible- instead of what the voices in your head say- here once again- is the Bible telling Christians to obey the law.

Romans 13New Century Version (NCV)

Christians Should Obey the Law
13 All of you must yield to the government rulers. No one rules unless God has given him the power to rule, and no one rules now without that power from God. 2 So those who are against the government are really against what God has commanded. And they will bring punishment on themselves. 3 Those who do right do not have to fear the rulers; only those who do wrong fear them. Do you want to be unafraid of the rulers? Then do what is right, and they will praise you. 4 The ruler is God’s servant to help you. But if you do wrong, then be afraid. He has the power to punish; he is God’s servant to punish those who do wrong. 5 So you must yield to the government, not only because you might be punished, but because you know it is right.


Christians- obey the bible- because when you refuse to obey the law- you are really against what God has commanded.

 

[rightwinger]

Don't have a business if you don't want to serve all customers

Where, in the Constitution, does it authorize government to compel one to waive one's essential Constitutional rights as a condition of being allowed to make an honest living?

If a business owner sincerely held religious belief was that he was forbidden to pay a business tax- would that business owner be exempt from taxation?

Too far fetched? How about this- how about if a butcher declares that his sincerely held religious beliefs forbid him with complying with a cities rules and regulations regarding the slaughter and butchering of animals. That was an actual case- and the court ruled against the law which forbade the ritual slaughter of animals.

But only because the law was not neutral- it was in practice a ban on a religious practice.

Ritual sacrifice of chickens: religious freedom vs animal cruelty laws

Public Accommodation laws are religiously neutral- they don't target Christians or Jews or Mormons- they say all business owners must comply with the law- and can't use religion as an excuse to tell blacks that they aren't welcome.

That is my primary gripe about these "religious" objections
They seem to be focused on a religions objection to homosexuality rather than all religious doctrine

Why do they bake cakes for adulterers, pregnant brides, atheists, mixed religious marriages? All are sinners

 

[Silhouette]

Public Accommodation laws are religiously neutral- they don't target Christians or Jews or Mormons- they say all business owners must comply with the law- and can't use religion as an excuse to tell blacks that they aren't welcome.

Well the problem is dear, that LGBT is behavioral .

Homosexuality is a sexual attraction to the same gender. Unlike religion- it is not a behavior.

So attraction to abusing heroin (addiction), attraction to eating disorders (bulimia, obesity, anorexia), attraction to stealing (cleptomania) are all behaviors but sexual attraction to the same gender (homosexuality) isn't a behavior?

It is. And it was learned. Moreover it's a sign of mental illness in that the practitioners thereof show overt signs of "closeted" or suppressed hetoersexuality. Lesbians employ a phallus when having sex with each other. Gay men seek a hole at the lower end of each other for stimulation. It's misplaced normal sexuality that got started IN THE MIND, not the body. The body still says to the lesbian "it feels good to have a penis in you". The body still says to the gay man "it feels good to put your penis in the hole in the lower end of another person". Fear, tampering (childhood molestation which is epidemic among gay men for sure) shyness, hatred, misogyny & misandry, even narcissism (ever notice how many gay couples look nearly identical to each other/mirror images of each other in femme/masculine forms) are at the core of "homosexuality". All about the warping of the mind and behaviors.

Their wires got crossed by early imprinting. And so we see all the signs of normal heterosexuality in so-called "gays". It's just a habitual learned deviant behavior. Sorry to rain on your parade with the evidence so clear for all to see. I know y'all tried to clamp down on that when your gang took over the APA in the 1970s & 80s..

Clinical Psychiatry News January-February 2005, from CDC info:

ATLANTA [2005 Clinical Psychiatry News] -- Substance abuse is pervasive among gay men and is so intricately intertwined with epidemics of depression, partner abuse, and childhood sexual abuse that adequately addressing one issue requires attention to the others as well, said Ronald Stall, Ph.D., chief of prevention research for the division of HIV/AIDS prevention at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta...

And here:

ATLANTA -- Substance abuse is pervasive among gay men and is so intricately intertwined with epidemics of depression, partner abuse, and childhood sexual abuse that adequately addressing one issue requires attention to the others as well, said Ronald Stall, Ph.D., chief of prevention research for the division of HIV/AIDS prevention at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta. "Drug Use among Gay Men Pervasive" by Worcester, Sharon - Clinical Psychiatry News, Vol. 33, Issue 2, February 2005 | Online Research Library: Questia

Childhood sexual abuse is learned and taught and runs in patterns:

Mayo Clinic 2007 http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.398.1874&rep=rep1&type=pdf

One of the most obvious examples of an environmental
factor that increases the chances of an individual becoming
an offender is if he or she were sexually abused as a child.
This relationship is known as the “victim-to-abuser cycle”
or “abused-abusers phenomena....why the “abusedabusers phenomena” occurs: identification with the aggressor, in which the abused child is trying to gain a new identity by becoming the abuser; an imprinted sexual arousal pattern established by early abuse; early abuse
leading to hypersexual behavior; or a form of social learning took place

For more information: "Conditioning and Sexual Behavior; A Review" (cites 300 peer-reviewed studies in support of the title and conclusions which include extrapolation to humans) http://www.pphp.concordia.ca/fac/pfaus/Pfaus-Kippin-Centeno(2001).pdf

 

[Syriusly]

Public Accommodation laws are religiously neutral- they don't target Christians or Jews or Mormons- they say all business owners must comply with the law- and can't use religion as an excuse to tell blacks that they aren't welcome.

Well the problem is dear, that LGBT is behavioral .

Homosexuality is a sexual attraction to the same gender. Unlike religion- it is not a behavior.

So attraction to abusing heroin (addiction), attraction to eating disorders (bulimia, obesity, anorexia), attraction to stealing (cleptomania) are all behaviors but sexual attraction to the same gender (homosexuality) isn't a behavior?..

So why do you believe that Christianity is the same thing as drug addiction or kleptomania?

Not that you care about facts but belief in a god is not a behavior- participation in a religion is a behavior. Attraction to a specific gender is not a behavior- having sex with someone is a behavior. A compulsion to steal is not a behavior- stealing is a behavior.

But the bottom line is that you are saying that homosexuality is the same thing as Christianity which is the same thing as drug addiction.

Which just shows how out of touch with reality you are.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Public Accommodation laws are religiously neutral- they don't target Christians or Jews or Mormons- they say all business owners must comply with the law- and can't use religion as an excuse to tell blacks that they aren't welcome.

It isn't an exaggeration to say that forcing a Christian to bake a "gay wedding" cake is one and the same as forcing them to pray to a goat's head on a satanic altar after sacrificing a chicken over a pentagram. It's the same eternal punishment either way. You simply cannot ask them to do that.

Uh yeah actually it is exactly an exaggeration- since the Bible never once tells any Christian ever that they can't bake a wedding cake for anyone.

Instead Romans tells Christians to follow the law- and once again- because unlike you I actually quote the Bible- instead of what the voices in your head say- here once again- is the Bible telling Christians to obey the law.

Romans 13New Century Version (NCV)

Christians Should Obey the Law
13 All of you must yield to the government rulers. No one rules unless God has given him the power to rule, and no one rules now without that power from God. 2 So those who are against the government are really against what God has commanded. And they will bring punishment on themselves. 3 Those who do right do not have to fear the rulers; only those who do wrong fear them. Do you want to be unafraid of the rulers? Then do what is right, and they will praise you. 4 The ruler is God’s servant to help you. But if you do wrong, then be afraid. He has the power to punish; he is God’s servant to punish those who do wrong. 5 So you must yield to the government, not only because you might be punished, but because you know it is right.


Christians- obey the bible- because when you refuse to obey the law- you are really against what God has commanded.

Acts 5: 27-29. Christians are to obey the law. But if a law goes against God's laws it's a new ballgame.

As soon as the law of the land contradicts God's command Christians are to disobey man's law and follow God's laws.

 

[rightwinger]

Public Accommodation laws are religiously neutral- they don't target Christians or Jews or Mormons- they say all business owners must comply with the law- and can't use religion as an excuse to tell blacks that they aren't welcome.

It isn't an exaggeration to say that forcing a Christian to bake a "gay wedding" cake is one and the same as forcing them to pray to a goat's head on a satanic altar after sacrificing a chicken over a pentagram. It's the same eternal punishment either way. You simply cannot ask them to do that.

Uh yeah actually it is exactly an exaggeration- since the Bible never once tells any Christian ever that they can't bake a wedding cake for anyone.

Instead Romans tells Christians to follow the law- and once again- because unlike you I actually quote the Bible- instead of what the voices in your head say- here once again- is the Bible telling Christians to obey the law.

Romans 13New Century Version (NCV)

Christians Should Obey the Law
13 All of you must yield to the government rulers. No one rules unless God has given him the power to rule, and no one rules now without that power from God. 2 So those who are against the government are really against what God has commanded. And they will bring punishment on themselves. 3 Those who do right do not have to fear the rulers; only those who do wrong fear them. Do you want to be unafraid of the rulers? Then do what is right, and they will praise you. 4 The ruler is God’s servant to help you. But if you do wrong, then be afraid. He has the power to punish; he is God’s servant to punish those who do wrong. 5 So you must yield to the government, not only because you might be punished, but because you know it is right.


Christians- obey the bible- because when you refuse to obey the law- you are really against what God has commanded.

Acts 5: 27-29. Christians are to obey the law. But if a law goes against God's laws it's a new ballgame.

As soon as the law of the land contradicts God's command Christians are to disobey man's law and follow God's laws.

OK

So why are Christians willing to bend the rules when it comes to baking cakes for a wedding of atheists? A wedding with a pregnant bride? A wedding of known adulterers?

Don't they follow Gods laws?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Public Accommodation laws are religiously neutral- they don't target Christians or Jews or Mormons- they say all business owners must comply with the law- and can't use religion as an excuse to tell blacks that they aren't welcome.

It isn't an exaggeration to say that forcing a Christian to bake a "gay wedding" cake is one and the same as forcing them to pray to a goat's head on a satanic altar after sacrificing a chicken over a pentagram. It's the same eternal punishment either way. You simply cannot ask them to do that.

Uh yeah actually it is exactly an exaggeration- since the Bible never once tells any Christian ever that they can't bake a wedding cake for anyone.

Instead Romans tells Christians to follow the law- and once again- because unlike you I actually quote the Bible- instead of what the voices in your head say- here once again- is the Bible telling Christians to obey the law.

Romans 13New Century Version (NCV)

Christians Should Obey the Law
13 All of you must yield to the government rulers. No one rules unless God has given him the power to rule, and no one rules now without that power from God. 2 So those who are against the government are really against what God has commanded. And they will bring punishment on themselves. 3 Those who do right do not have to fear the rulers; only those who do wrong fear them. Do you want to be unafraid of the rulers? Then do what is right, and they will praise you. 4 The ruler is God’s servant to help you. But if you do wrong, then be afraid. He has the power to punish; he is God’s servant to punish those who do wrong. 5 So you must yield to the government, not only because you might be punished, but because you know it is right.


Christians- obey the bible- because when you refuse to obey the law- you are really against what God has commanded.

Acts 5: 27-29. Christians are to obey the law. But if a law goes against God's laws it's a new ballgame.

As soon as the law of the land contradicts God's command Christians are to disobey man's law and follow God's laws.

OK

So why are Christians willing to bend the rules when it comes to baking cakes for a wedding of atheists? A wedding with a pregnant bride? A wedding of known adulterers?

Don't they follow Gods laws?

They know a party is atheist or adulters?

Lame dumbass You really are too easy dimwit

 

[Silhouette]

So why are Christians willing to bend the rules when it comes to baking cakes for a wedding of atheists? A wedding with a pregnant bride? A wedding of known adulterers?

Don't they follow Gods laws?

Because neither atheists nor unwed mothers nor adulterers are mentioned in Jude 1 & Romans 1 dire warning of spreading the homosexual culture within a normal one. Apparently God has zeroed in that homosexuality spreading in a culture is the devil's road straight into the soul of men where even the best of them can't escape the perversions of the soul when raised up in a culture such as that. It's why God chose to destroy Sodom. Because of sodomy and the sodomites that had literally taken the place over.

And, if a Christian sells a wedding cake to a pregnant woman, they're encouraging her to live in God's ways: married to a man with her baby. If they sell to atheists, (though how they'd know this is anybody's guess, do they have tattoos?) they might feel good about blessing the union of a man and a woman who eventually might come to God. If they bake a cake for adulterers, there's the hope and prayer and blessing that they are coming together as marrieds to stop their adultery. All good with God. But to bake a cake for the perversion of two people of the same gender play-acting man and wife? That is nothing but loss and blasphemy in the face of God.

And for reasons why... vv

Public Accommodation laws are religiously neutral- they don't target Christians or Jews or Mormons- they say all business owners must comply with the law- and can't use religion as an excuse to tell blacks that they aren't welcome.

Well the problem is dear, that LGBT is behavioral .

Homosexuality is a sexual attraction to the same gender. Unlike religion- it is not a behavior.

So attraction to abusing heroin (addiction), attraction to eating disorders (bulimia, obesity, anorexia), attraction to stealing (cleptomania) are all behaviors but sexual attraction to the same gender (homosexuality) isn't a behavior?

It is. And it was learned. Moreover it's a sign of mental illness in that the practitioners thereof show overt signs of "closeted" or suppressed hetoersexuality. Lesbians employ a phallus when having sex with each other. Gay men seek a hole at the lower end of each other for stimulation. It's misplaced normal sexuality that got started IN THE MIND, not the body. The body still says to the lesbian "it feels good to have a penis in you". The body still says to the gay man "it feels good to put your penis in the hole in the lower end of another person". Fear, tampering (childhood molestation which is epidemic among gay men for sure) shyness, hatred, misogyny & misandry, even narcissism (ever notice how many gay couples look nearly identical to each other/mirror images of each other in femme/masculine forms) are at the core of "homosexuality". All about the warping of the mind and behaviors.

Their wires got crossed by early imprinting. And so we see all the signs of normal heterosexuality in so-called "gays". It's just a habitual learned deviant behavior. Sorry to rain on your parade with the evidence so clear for all to see. I know y'all tried to clamp down on that when your gang took over the APA in the 1970s & 80s..

Clinical Psychiatry News January-February 2005, from CDC info:

ATLANTA [2005 Clinical Psychiatry News] -- Substance abuse is pervasive among gay men and is so intricately intertwined with epidemics of depression, partner abuse, and childhood sexual abuse that adequately addressing one issue requires attention to the others as well, said Ronald Stall, Ph.D., chief of prevention research for the division of HIV/AIDS prevention at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta...

And here:

ATLANTA -- Substance abuse is pervasive among gay men and is so intricately intertwined with epidemics of depression, partner abuse, and childhood sexual abuse that adequately addressing one issue requires attention to the others as well, said Ronald Stall, Ph.D., chief of prevention research for the division of HIV/AIDS prevention at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta. "Drug Use among Gay Men Pervasive" by Worcester, Sharon - Clinical Psychiatry News, Vol. 33, Issue 2, February 2005 | Online Research Library: Questia

Childhood sexual abuse is learned and taught and runs in patterns:

Mayo Clinic 2007 http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.398.1874&rep=rep1&type=pdf

One of the most obvious examples of an environmental
factor that increases the chances of an individual becoming
an offender is if he or she were sexually abused as a child.
This relationship is known as the “victim-to-abuser cycle”
or “abused-abusers phenomena....why the “abusedabusers phenomena” occurs: identification with the aggressor, in which the abused child is trying to gain a new identity by becoming the abuser; an imprinted sexual arousal pattern established by early abuse; early abuse
leading to hypersexual behavior; or a form of social learning took place

For more information: "Conditioning and Sexual Behavior; A Review" (cites 300 peer-reviewed studies in support of the title and conclusions which include extrapolation to humans) http://www.pphp.concordia.ca/fac/pfaus/Pfaus-Kippin-Centeno(2001).pdf

 

[rightwinger]

Public Accommodation laws are religiously neutral- they don't target Christians or Jews or Mormons- they say all business owners must comply with the law- and can't use religion as an excuse to tell blacks that they aren't welcome.

It isn't an exaggeration to say that forcing a Christian to bake a "gay wedding" cake is one and the same as forcing them to pray to a goat's head on a satanic altar after sacrificing a chicken over a pentagram. It's the same eternal punishment either way. You simply cannot ask them to do that.

Uh yeah actually it is exactly an exaggeration- since the Bible never once tells any Christian ever that they can't bake a wedding cake for anyone.

Instead Romans tells Christians to follow the law- and once again- because unlike you I actually quote the Bible- instead of what the voices in your head say- here once again- is the Bible telling Christians to obey the law.

Romans 13New Century Version (NCV)

Christians Should Obey the Law
13 All of you must yield to the government rulers. No one rules unless God has given him the power to rule, and no one rules now without that power from God. 2 So those who are against the government are really against what God has commanded. And they will bring punishment on themselves. 3 Those who do right do not have to fear the rulers; only those who do wrong fear them. Do you want to be unafraid of the rulers? Then do what is right, and they will praise you. 4 The ruler is God’s servant to help you. But if you do wrong, then be afraid. He has the power to punish; he is God’s servant to punish those who do wrong. 5 So you must yield to the government, not only because you might be punished, but because you know it is right.


Christians- obey the bible- because when you refuse to obey the law- you are really against what God has commanded.

Acts 5: 27-29. Christians are to obey the law. But if a law goes against God's laws it's a new ballgame.

As soon as the law of the land contradicts God's command Christians are to disobey man's law and follow God's laws.

OK

So why are Christians willing to bend the rules when it comes to baking cakes for a wedding of atheists? A wedding with a pregnant bride? A wedding of known adulterers?

Don't they follow Gods laws?

They know a party is atheist or adulters?

Lame dumbass You really are too easy dimwit

If you are going to be a Christian Bakery....be a Christian Bakery
Only bake cakes for righteous Christian weddings

But once you start picking and choosing about which Christian edicts you will enforce......you lose the claim of being a "Christian Bakery"

 

[Syriusly]

So why are Christians willing to bend the rules when it comes to baking cakes for a wedding of atheists? A wedding with a pregnant bride? A wedding of known adulterers?

Don't they follow Gods laws?

Because neither atheists nor unwed mothers nor adulterers are mentioned in Jude 1 & Romans 1

Adulterers are mentioned throughout the Bible- adultery is in the 10 Commandments. Adultery was condemned by Jesus Christ himself.

Thou shalt not commit adultery


Matthew 5:32

but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Mathew 19:9
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

mARK 10:11
And He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her;

Matthew 5:27
"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY';


Now what does Romans say? It never says "You shall not commit homosexuality- instead it puts male homosexuality with gossips and slanderers- the insolent and those who disobey god.

Romans 1
They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

 

[Syriusly]

And, if a Christian sells a wedding cake to a pregnant woman, they're encouraging her to live in God's ways: married to a man with her baby. If they sell to atheists, (though how they'd know this is anybody's guess, do they have tattoos?) they might feel good about blessing the union of a man and a woman who eventually might come to God. If they bake a cake for adulterers, there's the hope and prayer and blessing that they are coming together as marrieds to stop their adultery. All good with God. But to bake a cake for the perversion of two people of the same gender play-acting man and wife? That is nothing but loss and blasphemy in the face of God.
f

And if they bake a cake for a divorced couple that are remarrying?

You know- the marriage Jesus actually condemned as adultery- as opposed to the gay marriage Jesus never condemned?

You know what is actually blaspheming against God? Refusing to follow the law. Why are you encouraging Christians to disobey god?

Submission to Governing Authorities
13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

 

[Syriusly]

So attraction to abusing heroin (addiction), attraction to eating disorders (bulimia, obesity, anorexia), attraction to stealing (cleptomania) are all behaviors but sexual attraction to the same gender (homosexuality) isn't a behavior?f[/QUOTE]

So why do you believe that Christianity is the same thing as drug addiction or kleptomania?

Not that you care about facts but belief in a god is not a behavior- participation in a religion is a behavior. Attraction to a specific gender is not a behavior- having sex with someone is a behavior. A compulsion to steal is not a behavior- stealing is a behavior.

But the bottom line is that you are saying that homosexuality is the same thing as Christianity which is the same thing as drug addiction.

Which just shows how out of touch with reality you are.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

It isn't an exaggeration to say that forcing a Christian to bake a "gay wedding" cake is one and the same as forcing them to pray to a goat's head on a satanic altar after sacrificing a chicken over a pentagram. It's the same eternal punishment either way. You simply cannot ask them to do that.

Uh yeah actually it is exactly an exaggeration- since the Bible never once tells any Christian ever that they can't bake a wedding cake for anyone.

Instead Romans tells Christians to follow the law- and once again- because unlike you I actually quote the Bible- instead of what the voices in your head say- here once again- is the Bible telling Christians to obey the law.

Romans 13New Century Version (NCV)

Christians Should Obey the Law
13 All of you must yield to the government rulers. No one rules unless God has given him the power to rule, and no one rules now without that power from God. 2 So those who are against the government are really against what God has commanded. And they will bring punishment on themselves. 3 Those who do right do not have to fear the rulers; only those who do wrong fear them. Do you want to be unafraid of the rulers? Then do what is right, and they will praise you. 4 The ruler is God’s servant to help you. But if you do wrong, then be afraid. He has the power to punish; he is God’s servant to punish those who do wrong. 5 So you must yield to the government, not only because you might be punished, but because you know it is right.


Christians- obey the bible- because when you refuse to obey the law- you are really against what God has commanded.

Acts 5: 27-29. Christians are to obey the law. But if a law goes against God's laws it's a new ballgame.

As soon as the law of the land contradicts God's command Christians are to disobey man's law and follow God's laws.

OK

So why are Christians willing to bend the rules when it comes to baking cakes for a wedding of atheists? A wedding with a pregnant bride? A wedding of known adulterers?

Don't they follow Gods laws?

They know a party is atheist or adulters?

Lame dumbass You really are too easy dimwit

If you are going to be a Christian Bakery....be a Christian Bakery
Only bake cakes for righteous Christian weddings

But once you start picking and choosing about which Christian edicts you will enforce......you lose the claim of being a "Christian Bakery"

So says you...and anyone wuth a lick of sense laughs at your musings. I know I do

 

[rightwinger]

Public Accommodation laws are religiously neutral- they don't target Christians or Jews or Mormons- they say all business owners must comply with the law- and can't use religion as an excuse to tell blacks that they aren't welcome.

It isn't an exaggeration to say that forcing a Christian to bake a "gay wedding" cake is one and the same as forcing them to pray to a goat's head on a satanic altar after sacrificing a chicken over a pentagram. It's the same eternal punishment either way. You simply cannot ask them to do that.

Uh yeah actually it is exactly an exaggeration- since the Bible never once tells any Christian ever that they can't bake a wedding cake for anyone.

Instead Romans tells Christians to follow the law- and once again- because unlike you I actually quote the Bible- instead of what the voices in your head say- here once again- is the Bible telling Christians to obey the law.

Romans 13New Century Version (NCV)

Christians Should Obey the Law
13 All of you must yield to the government rulers. No one rules unless God has given him the power to rule, and no one rules now without that power from God. 2 So those who are against the government are really against what God has commanded. And they will bring punishment on themselves. 3 Those who do right do not have to fear the rulers; only those who do wrong fear them. Do you want to be unafraid of the rulers? Then do what is right, and they will praise you. 4 The ruler is God’s servant to help you. But if you do wrong, then be afraid. He has the power to punish; he is God’s servant to punish those who do wrong. 5 So you must yield to the government, not only because you might be punished, but because you know it is right.


Christians- obey the bible- because when you refuse to obey the law- you are really against what God has commanded.

Acts 5: 27-29. Christians are to obey the law. But if a law goes against God's laws it's a new ballgame.

As soon as the law of the land contradicts God's command Christians are to disobey man's law and follow God's laws.

OK

So why are Christians willing to bend the rules when it comes to baking cakes for a wedding of atheists? A wedding with a pregnant bride? A wedding of known adulterers?

Don't they follow Gods laws?

They know a party is atheist or adulters?

Lame dumbass You really are too easy dimwit

The bakery could ask....

Do you accept the Lord Jesus Christ as our savior?
If they say no......No cake for you!

Yet, they seem perfectly willing to participate in the wedding of those who break the First Commandment

Hypocrites