Optimist: Wish I Could Be One

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When I look at the damage done by the current President, it seems more likely that the nation is locked in a downward death spiral with no bottom in sight.

And even worse, the number of Americans who remain complacent, and willing to accept the 'new normal' is shocking.


But, as our pals at the NYSun note, we've been in difficult straits before, and all it takes are the right, the 'Right', policies to regain our former greatness.





1. " The thing to remember about the cataract of woe that has befallen our country is how fast things can be turned around. We may be in retreat overseas, with riots simmering in Missouri and the economy stuck in second gear. With the right policies, the right leadership, all that can be overcome.

2. But none of the GOP contenders is capturing this simple point .... It can be turned around, and fast....

3. .... making of that point .... was the valedictory speech given by the editor most associated with the Reagan Revolution, Robert Bartley of the Wall Street Journal.

4. .... he didn’t want to hear about the good old days — since our troubles were nothing compared to what we faced in the 1970s. He was referring to defeat in Vietnam, Soviet expansionism, the collapse of the gold-based monetary system, the rise of world inflation, economic stagnation, the Arab oil embargo, war in the Middle East, soaring unemployment.

5. ..... Henry Kissinger conceded that Bartley had been right to take a harder line than Nixon on the Soviet Union. Jack Kemp toasted Bartley’s leadership of the tax-cutting movement. Theodore Olson, who had won the Bush v. Gore lawsuit that cleared the way for George W. Bush to claim the White House, spoke of Bartley’s commitment to the Constitution.

6. Optimism, [Bartley] said, pays. “In human affairs, nothing is ever solved completely,” he said. He was for the steady application of sound policies, confident that economic and political freedom would triumph..... the president he backed, Ronald Reagan, who ran on the slogan “morning in America.”

7. This is the missing element in today’s politics. In 2008, President Obama promised hope and change. But he lacked the policy chops. The GOP today has the policy chops, but nailing the optimism is key.


8. Bartley stood for two big things. One was a military buildup to meet the Soviets. The other was economic growth.


9. Reagan took office in the wake of a recession (in 1980.... once the tax cuts came in, wow did the economy respond. At the Federal Reserve, Paul Volcker choked off inflation by pushing up interest rates above 20 percent. And the value of the dollar on Reagan’s watch soared. (Measured in gold, it rose 38% to one-405th of an ounce of gold.)


a. Within nine years of when Reagan was sworn in, the Soviet Union was gone — voosh.

10. Under President Obama, the dollar has lost a third of its value (it’s up from its low but still down to barely more than a 1,300th of an ounce of gold). ... people feel poor. Unemployment is still above 6%, higher if you count people who’ve given up looking for work. ....the point Bartley stressed — how fast things changed once the right policies were brought to bear. Find the candidate who can give voice to that optimism, and that is the candidate with the winning formula."
Waiting for the Optimist - The New York Sun
 
When I look at the damage done by the current President, it seems more likely that the nation is locked in a downward death spiral with no bottom in sight.

And even worse, the number of Americans who remain complacent, and willing to accept the 'new normal' is shocking.

But, as our pals at the NYSun note, we've been in difficult straits before, and all it takes are the right, the 'Right', policies to regain our former greatness.

1. " The thing to remember about the cataract of woe that has befallen our country is how fast things can be turned around. We may be in retreat overseas, with riots simmering in Missouri and the economy stuck in second gear. With the right policies, the right leadership, all that can be overcome.

Yeah?

How?

PoliticalChic said:
2. But none of the GOP contenders is capturing this simple point .... It can be turned around, and fast....

Again, saying something "can be turned around" and actually detailing a way to achieve that end are two different things.

PoliticalChic said:
3. .... making of that point .... was the valedictory speech given by the editor most associated with the Reagan Revolution, Robert Bartley of the Wall Street Journal.

4. .... he didn’t want to hear about the good old days — since our troubles were nothing compared to what we faced in the 1970s. He was referring to defeat in Vietnam, Soviet expansionism, the collapse of the gold-based monetary system, the rise of world inflation, economic stagnation, the Arab oil embargo, war in the Middle East, soaring unemployment.

5. ..... Henry Kissinger conceded that Bartley had been right to take a harder line than Nixon on the Soviet Union. Jack Kemp toasted Bartley’s leadership of the tax-cutting movement. Theodore Olson, who had won the Bush v. Gore lawsuit that cleared the way for George W. Bush to claim the White House, spoke of Bartley’s commitment to the Constitution.

6. Optimism, [Bartley] said, pays. “In human affairs, nothing is ever solved completely,” he said. He was for the steady application of sound policies, confident that economic and political freedom would triumph..... the president he backed, Ronald Reagan, who ran on the slogan “morning in America.”

7. This is the missing element in today’s politics. In 2008, President Obama promised hope and change. But he lacked the policy chops. The GOP today has the policy chops, but nailing the optimism is key.

I'm not feeling any optimism in this OP of yours. At. All. Sorry.

PoliticalChic said:
8. Bartley stood for two big things. One was a military buildup to meet the Soviets. The other was economic growth.

9. Reagan took office in the wake of a recession (in 1980.... once the tax cuts came in, wow did the economy respond. At the Federal Reserve, Paul Volcker choked off inflation by pushing up interest rates above 20 percent. And the value of the dollar on Reagan’s watch soared. (Measured in gold, it rose 38% to one-405th of an ounce of gold.)

a. Within nine years of when Reagan was sworn in, the Soviet Union was gone — voosh.

10. Under President Obama, the dollar has lost a third of its value (it’s up from its low but still down to barely more than a 1,300th of an ounce of gold). ... people feel poor. Unemployment is still above 6%, higher if you count people who’ve given up looking for work. ....the point Bartley stressed — how fast things changed once the right policies were brought to bear. Find the candidate who can give voice to that optimism, and that is the candidate with the winning formula."
Waiting for the Optimist - The New York Sun

A fan of Reagan's myself, his day and Obama's are not the same time.

The sociopolitical and economic challenges—both domestic and international—Reagan had to address (especially the first Cold War) are not the same ones the American president faces today (rise of international Islamofascism; rise in international anti-Semitism; etc.).
 
Reagan took office in the 'wake of a recession'?

The brief 1980 recession had been over for 6 months when Reagan became president. Within 6 months we were back into a DEEP 16 month recession.
 
Demagoguery isn't a plan, nor is it generally morally correct or pragmatic. It's unfortunate PC cannot define problems and must always place blame (sans any cause and effect analysis), and cannot offer real world solutions, since problem identification is limited to "ain't it awful".

Simple thinking attracts simpletons, as we will see as the echo chamber comes to her defense.
 
The real point here is optimism is warranted for our future. Americans just haven't hit bottom yet. Once we do, Americans will work together and pull this out. It is never a political solution with the economy, but the American workforce. Government just needs to take a giant step back on meddling.
 
When I look at the damage done by the current President, it seems more likely that the nation is locked in a downward death spiral with no bottom in sight.

And even worse, the number of Americans who remain complacent, and willing to accept the 'new normal' is shocking.

But, as our pals at the NYSun note, we've been in difficult straits before, and all it takes are the right, the 'Right', policies to regain our former greatness.

1. " The thing to remember about the cataract of woe that has befallen our country is how fast things can be turned around. We may be in retreat overseas, with riots simmering in Missouri and the economy stuck in second gear. With the right policies, the right leadership, all that can be overcome.

Yeah?

How?

PoliticalChic said:
2. But none of the GOP contenders is capturing this simple point .... It can be turned around, and fast....

Again, saying something "can be turned around" and actually detailing a way to achieve that end are two different things.

PoliticalChic said:
3. .... making of that point .... was the valedictory speech given by the editor most associated with the Reagan Revolution, Robert Bartley of the Wall Street Journal.

4. .... he didn’t want to hear about the good old days — since our troubles were nothing compared to what we faced in the 1970s. He was referring to defeat in Vietnam, Soviet expansionism, the collapse of the gold-based monetary system, the rise of world inflation, economic stagnation, the Arab oil embargo, war in the Middle East, soaring unemployment.

5. ..... Henry Kissinger conceded that Bartley had been right to take a harder line than Nixon on the Soviet Union. Jack Kemp toasted Bartley’s leadership of the tax-cutting movement. Theodore Olson, who had won the Bush v. Gore lawsuit that cleared the way for George W. Bush to claim the White House, spoke of Bartley’s commitment to the Constitution.

6. Optimism, [Bartley] said, pays. “In human affairs, nothing is ever solved completely,” he said. He was for the steady application of sound policies, confident that economic and political freedom would triumph..... the president he backed, Ronald Reagan, who ran on the slogan “morning in America.”

7. This is the missing element in today’s politics. In 2008, President Obama promised hope and change. But he lacked the policy chops. The GOP today has the policy chops, but nailing the optimism is key.

I'm not feeling any optimism in this OP of yours. At. All. Sorry.

PoliticalChic said:
8. Bartley stood for two big things. One was a military buildup to meet the Soviets. The other was economic growth.

9. Reagan took office in the wake of a recession (in 1980.... once the tax cuts came in, wow did the economy respond. At the Federal Reserve, Paul Volcker choked off inflation by pushing up interest rates above 20 percent. And the value of the dollar on Reagan’s watch soared. (Measured in gold, it rose 38% to one-405th of an ounce of gold.)

a. Within nine years of when Reagan was sworn in, the Soviet Union was gone — voosh.

10. Under President Obama, the dollar has lost a third of its value (it’s up from its low but still down to barely more than a 1,300th of an ounce of gold). ... people feel poor. Unemployment is still above 6%, higher if you count people who’ve given up looking for work. ....the point Bartley stressed — how fast things changed once the right policies were brought to bear. Find the candidate who can give voice to that optimism, and that is the candidate with the winning formula."
Waiting for the Optimist - The New York Sun

A fan of Reagan's myself, his day and Obama's are not the same time.

The sociopolitical and economic challenges—both domestic and international—Reagan had to address (especially the first Cold War) are not the same ones the American president faces today (rise of international Islamofascism; rise in international anti-Semitism; etc.).





Item #8 is key.
 
Demagoguery isn't a plan, nor is it generally morally correct or pragmatic. It's unfortunate PC cannot define problems and must always place blame (sans any cause and effect analysis), and cannot offer real world solutions, since problem identification is limited to "ain't it awful".

Simple thinking attracts simpletons, as we will see as the echo chamber comes to her defense.
:up: Thats our PoliticalChic- #1 ODS sufferer. She just never lets up. Thats one of the primary symptoms of ODS :(
 
The real point here is optimism is warranted for our future. Americans just haven't hit bottom yet. Once we do, Americans will work together and pull this out. It is never a political solution with the economy, but the American workforce. Government just needs to take a giant step back on meddling.





"The poll, conducted by phone from Aug. 7-10, shows Obama's overall approval rating at 44 percent. However, in the same poll his approval rating for handling foreign affairs is at 36 percent and for handling the economy is at 35 percent."
Obama s Overall Approval Tops Economy Foreign Affairs Ratings


Can you explain how 44% of the public is still giving this fraud/failure positive ratings????
 
PoliticalChic said:
8. Bartley stood for two big things.One was a military buildup to meet the Soviets. The other was economic growth.

PoliticalChic said:
Item #8 is key.

I'm not sure that a military buildup and economic growth in today's global climate can be either symbiotic or a good thing—for America, or the world at large—or both.

No offense, but I haven't seen you prove that yet here on your thread.
 
When I look at the damage done by the current President, it seems more likely that the nation is locked in a downward death spiral with no bottom in sight.

And even worse, the number of Americans who remain complacent, and willing to accept the 'new normal' is shocking.


But, as our pals at the NYSun note, we've been in difficult straits before, and all it takes are the right, the 'Right', policies to regain our former greatness.





1. " The thing to remember about the cataract of woe that has befallen our country is how fast things can be turned around. We may be in retreat overseas, with riots simmering in Missouri and the economy stuck in second gear. With the right policies, the right leadership, all that can be overcome.

2. But none of the GOP contenders is capturing this simple point .... It can be turned around, and fast....

3. .... making of that point .... was the valedictory speech given by the editor most associated with the Reagan Revolution, Robert Bartley of the Wall Street Journal.

4. .... he didn’t want to hear about the good old days — since our troubles were nothing compared to what we faced in the 1970s. He was referring to defeat in Vietnam, Soviet expansionism, the collapse of the gold-based monetary system, the rise of world inflation, economic stagnation, the Arab oil embargo, war in the Middle East, soaring unemployment.

5. ..... Henry Kissinger conceded that Bartley had been right to take a harder line than Nixon on the Soviet Union. Jack Kemp toasted Bartley’s leadership of the tax-cutting movement. Theodore Olson, who had won the Bush v. Gore lawsuit that cleared the way for George W. Bush to claim the White House, spoke of Bartley’s commitment to the Constitution.

6. Optimism, [Bartley] said, pays. “In human affairs, nothing is ever solved completely,” he said. He was for the steady application of sound policies, confident that economic and political freedom would triumph..... the president he backed, Ronald Reagan, who ran on the slogan “morning in America.”

7. This is the missing element in today’s politics. In 2008, President Obama promised hope and change. But he lacked the policy chops. The GOP today has the policy chops, but nailing the optimism is key.


8. Bartley stood for two big things. One was a military buildup to meet the Soviets. The other was economic growth.


9. Reagan took office in the wake of a recession (in 1980.... once the tax cuts came in, wow did the economy respond. At the Federal Reserve, Paul Volcker choked off inflation by pushing up interest rates above 20 percent. And the value of the dollar on Reagan’s watch soared. (Measured in gold, it rose 38% to one-405th of an ounce of gold.)


a. Within nine years of when Reagan was sworn in, the Soviet Union was gone — voosh.

10. Under President Obama, the dollar has lost a third of its value (it’s up from its low but still down to barely more than a 1,300th of an ounce of gold). ... people feel poor. Unemployment is still above 6%, higher if you count people who’ve given up looking for work. ....the point Bartley stressed — how fast things changed once the right policies were brought to bear. Find the candidate who can give voice to that optimism, and that is the candidate with the winning formula."
Waiting for the Optimist - The New York Sun
From the first paragraph in your OP. When I look at the damage done by the current President, it seems more likely that the nation is locked in a downward death spiral with no bottom in sight.

So true. I have said it for a long time here, just in a different way. I have compared what Obama has done to our country leaving me reeling and feeling as we are in a giant sinkhole. These days, I will add, to that, with an army of terrorists shooting at us as we go down.
 
The real point here is optimism is warranted for our future. Americans just haven't hit bottom yet. Once we do, Americans will work together and pull this out. It is never a political solution with the economy, but the American workforce. Government just needs to take a giant step back on meddling.





"The poll, conducted by phone from Aug. 7-10, shows Obama's overall approval rating at 44 percent. However, in the same poll his approval rating for handling foreign affairs is at 36 percent and for handling the economy is at 35 percent."
Obama s Overall Approval Tops Economy Foreign Affairs Ratings


Can you explain how 44% of the public is still giving this fraud/failure positive ratings????

Yes, they are the uninformed pacifists who no doubt are dependent on taxpayer dollars for sustenance. Obama has made it no shame to be a healthy parasite with many toys.
 
Reagan took office in the 'wake of a recession'?

The brief 1980 recession had been over for 6 months when Reagan became president. Within 6 months we were back into a DEEP 16 month recession.

I'm sure after listening to this speech, as the events unfolded, I wouldn't think our nation to be in any economic trouble. Recession was clearly as uneventful as you portray it to be. Lucky for you, I was old enough to remember the Carter years.

From President Jimmy Carter's televised speech on July 15, 1979.

It's clear that the true problems of our Nation are much deeper -- deeper than gasoline lines or energy shortages, deeper even than inflation or recession. And I realize more than ever that as president I need your help.

In a nation that was proud of hard work, strong families, close-knit communities, and our faith in God, too many of us now tend to worship self-indulgence and consumption. Human identity is no longer defined by what one does, but by what one owns. But we've discovered that owning things and consuming things does not satisfy our longing for meaning. We've learned that piling up material goods cannot fill the emptiness of lives which have no confidence or purpose.
The symptoms of this crisis of the American spirit are all around us. For the first time in the history of our country a majority of our people believe that the next five years will be worse than the past five years.

First of all, we must face the truth, and then we can change our course. We simply must have faith in each other, faith in our ability to govern ourselves, and faith in the future of this nation. Restoring that faith and that confidence to America is now the most important task we face. It is a true challenge of this generation of Americans.
One of the visitors to Camp David last week put it this way: "We've got to stop crying and start sweating, stop talking and start walking, stop cursing and start praying. The strength we need will not come from the White House, but from every house in America."
 
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Reagan took office in the 'wake of a recession'?

The brief 1980 recession had been over for 6 months when Reagan became president. Within 6 months we were back into a DEEP 16 month recession.
Stagflation. That's what we had before Reagan. A stagnant economy, and double-digit inflation. Inflation was 11.8% when Reagan took office. Reagan imposed austerity. In December of the following year, inflation was at 3.8%. It had not been that low since a decade prior.

Austerity always hurts in the beginning, but the end result was a spectacular recovery. No more double digit inflation, and positive growth.

Today, Europe is refusing to do the same, and they will stretch out their suffering until they do.

The thing about Reagan was his cheery optimism. It was the Left back then who were the whiny pants wetters. It's a real shame to see the Right has become a mob of whiny, fearful bitches these days.

EEEEK! OBAMAZ CUMMIN FER YER GUNZ!

EEEEK! TH3 GAYZ ARE CUMMIN!

EEEK! FEMA DHS ARMY IS CUMMIN FER YOO!

EEEEK! YOU WON'T HAVE LECTRICITY DIS WINTER!

EEEEK! HONDURIN GANGSTA KIDS WITH EBOLA ARE CUMMIN!

Every topic on here started by a faux right winger: Whine whine whine.

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You know Obama still isn't back to neutral from where he started. Unemployment is still higher, debt bigger, less people with health insurance, involved in more countries with a war, more people on food stamps and so on.
 
Reagan took office in the 'wake of a recession'?

The brief 1980 recession had been over for 6 months when Reagan became president. Within 6 months we were back into a DEEP 16 month recession.

The price of a gallon of gas certainly was a lot less by then, Sherlock.

The lines of us waiting to buy it were a lot shorter, too.

At the expense of US national oil companies collapsing and exploration dying off for 30 years as a result of Reagan's deregulation of oil...
 
Reagan took office in the 'wake of a recession'?

The brief 1980 recession had been over for 6 months when Reagan became president. Within 6 months we were back into a DEEP 16 month recession.

The price of a gallon of gas certainly was a lot less by then, Sherlock.

The lines of us waiting to buy it were a lot shorter, too.

You have to stand in line to buy your gas? Since when has this been a thing?
 
No no no. The point is that Reagan raised the deficit to pump the economy and it was a good thing for the economy.

That is a wild economic theory that I am cautious about but not in disagreement with. It works like the New Deal. You borrow from tomorrow to pump today during bad times. Does it work? If the programs are good and help the future. Build some power plants, lower energy costs. Build some aircraft carriers, makes it easier to blow up Iraq.

We can argue about the benefits and costs of a strong Soviet Union but theh were the perceived threat then. China and the rising tide of Islamic terrorism were a future POTENTIAL problem. So while now I can say we should have HELPED the Soviets in Afghanistan not sure if I could have said it then. So I don't totally disagree with the military splurge. At least I understand it.

Now onto the Soviets vs or alligned with China problem...man scary if they alligned.
 

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