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[ArmyCowboy]

You act as if innocent people are being executed on a daily basis.

If fellow citizens are committing murderous acts then yes they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. You don't like the law? Seek to change it and stop whining about it.

Would you like a list of all the people on death row who have been found innocent of their crime? If it was as rare as you seem to think there wouldn't be an entire organization dedicated to helping the innocent not die for a crime they didnt commit.

Sure.

List of exonerated death row inmates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[rightwinger]

Defiant teen gets life sentences in Ohio shooting - WTOP.com

You really think society is better off with paying for this guy to live 70 years or more in prison than just having taken him out back and shot him?

monsters like this killer are the reason we need the death penalty

But some libby needs his feel good moment.

Kid is a prick.....lock him up for life

No reason for our society to sink to his level is there?

 

[AmyNation]

You act as if innocent people are being executed on a daily basis.

If fellow citizens are committing murderous acts then yes they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. You don't like the law? Seek to change it and stop whining about it.

Would you like a list of all the people on death row who have been found innocent of their crime? If it was as rare as you seem to think there wouldn't be an entire organization dedicated to helping the innocent not die for a crime they didnt commit.

Sure.

I'll keep it to the last 13 years



2000-2009

2000

83. Steve Manning.
84. Eric Clemmons.
85. Joseph Nahume Green.
86. Earl Washington Virginia (pardoned). Convicted 1994 (1984, without life sentence).
87. William Nieves.
88. Frank Lee Smith (died prior to exoneration).
89. Michael Graham.
90. Albert Burrell.
91. Oscar Lee Morris.
2001

92. Peter Limone.
93. Gary Drinkard.
94. Joachin José Martínez.
95. Jeremy Sheets.
96. Charles Fain.
2002

97. Juan Roberto Melendez-Colon Florida. Convicted 1984.
98. Ray Krone Arizona (State v. Krone, 897 P.2d 621 (Ariz. 1995) (en banc)). Convicted 1992.
99. Thomas Kimbell, Jr.
100. Larry Osborne.
2003

101. Aaron Patterson.
102. Madison Hobley.
103. Leroy Orange.
104. Stanley Howard.
105. Rudolph Holton.
106. Lemuel Prion.
107. Wesley Quick.
108. John Thompson.
109. Timothy Howard Ohio. Convicted 1976.
110. Gary Lamar James Ohio. Convicted 1976.
111. Joseph Amrine.
112. Nicholas Yarris Pennsylvania (Pennsylvania v. Yarris, No 690-OF1982, Court of Common Pleas, Delaware County, September 3, 2003. Order vacating conviction). Convicted 1982.
2004

113. Alan Gell.
114. Gordon Steidl.
115. Laurence Adams.
116. Dan L. Bright.
117. Ryan Matthews.
118. Ernest Ray Willis.
2005

119. Derrick Jamison.
120. Harold Wilson.
2006

121. John Ballard.
2007

122. Curtis McCarty.
123. Michael McCormick.
124. Jonathon Hoffman.
2008

125. Kennedy Brewer Mississippi. Convicted 1995.
126. Glen Edward Chapman North Carolina. Convicted 1995.
127. Levon "Bo" Jones[5]North Carolina. Convicted 1993.
128. Michael Blair Texas.
2009

129. Nathson Fields Illinois. Convicted 1986.
130. Paul House Tennessee. Convicted 1986.
131. Daniel Wade Moore Alabama. Convicted 2002.
132. Ronald Kitchen Illinois. Convicted 1988.
133. Herman Lindsey Florida. Convicted 2006.
134. Michael Toney Texas. Convicted 1999. (Toney later died in a car accident on October 3, 2009, just one month and a day after his exoneration.).[6]
135. Yancy Douglas Oklahoma. Convicted 1997.
136. Paris Powell Oklahoma. Convicted 1997.
137. Robert Springsteen Texas. Convicted 2001.
2010-2012

2010

138. Joe D'Ambrosio Ohio. Convicted 1989. (While he was freed in 2010, but not yet exonerated, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal by the state of Ohio challenging the unconditional writ of habeas corpus and bar to D'Ambrosio's re-prosecution on January 23, 2012, nearly 2 years later, making D'Ambrosio the 140th death row exoneree since 1973. [5])
139. Anthony Graves Texas. Convicted 1994.
2011

140. Gussie Vann Tennessee. Convicted 1994.
2012

141. Damon Thibodeaux Louisiana. Convicted 1997.
142. Seth Penalver Florida. Convicted 1994.
List of exonerated death row inmates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[auditor0007]

Defiant teen gets life sentences in Ohio shooting - WTOP.com

You really think society is better off with paying for this guy to live 70 years or more in prison than just having taken him out back and shot him?

monsters like this killer are the reason we need the death penalty

But some libby needs his feel good moment.

For most who are against the death penalty, it is for many reasons, and most of those reasons have nothing to do with the murderer deserving the death penalty. Of course this punk deserves the death penalty, but that is not the reason I am against the death penalty.

The two biggest reasons that most people are against the death penalty is that there is always a slight chance that we could get it wrong and execute an innocent person. Do not say that is impossible as I'm pretty sure we've already done it a number of times. Secondly, poorer people receive the death penalty in much greater percentages than those with money. It's an unfair doling out of punishment.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

You seem to think the government is separate from the people.


Public approval of the death penalty is currently about 70%.

Government is separate from the people, and just because a majority support something doesn't make it right.

Then you have no idea what a "republic" is.

Who said anything about it being right?

No, I know what a republic is, and what it purports to be. The two simply aren't in sync with one another. All governments are separate from the people they govern. It doesn't matter what form they take.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Here is a link to an alternative. Not only does it provide jobs, it takes away the life of a prisoner without giving him or her an easy way out. A needle in the arm is an easy way out, ADX Florence is a way for the killer to suffer as do the victims loved ones.

The World?s Most Secure Prison: ADX Florence | Sometimes Interesting

 

[rightwinger]

Defiant teen gets life sentences in Ohio shooting - WTOP.com

You really think society is better off with paying for this guy to live 70 years or more in prison than just having taken him out back and shot him?

monsters like this killer are the reason we need the death penalty

But some libby needs his feel good moment.

For most who are against the death penalty, it is for many reasons, and most of those reasons have nothing to do with the murderer deserving the death penalty. Of course this punk deserves the death penalty, but that is not the reason I am against the death penalty.

The two biggest reasons that most people are against the death penalty is that there is always a slight chance that we could get it wrong and execute an innocent person. Do not say that is impossible as I'm pretty sure we've already done it a number of times. Secondly, poorer people receive the death penalty in much greater percentages than those with money. It's an unfair doling out of punishment.

I think that the fact that we are one of the last remaining nations to still use the death penalty reflects poorly on our nation

Barbarians

 

[Mr. Shaman]

To execute or not: A question of cost?
States discover it's cheaper to imprison killers for life than to execute them

That's due to the legal costs of all the appeals liberals insisit upon because they want to be expensive as possible as another excuse to ban the death penalty.

There's no chance the guy here didn't do it. He even proudly proclaimed he did it, yet liberals would insist upon years and year of appeals, etc then shouting "look how much the death penalty costs! ban it"

So, you'd prefer the options o' the good ol' days....when we could burn epileptics & schizophrenics, at the stake....

....for being POSSESSED BY SATAN....

.....right??​

 

[koshergrl]

What I don't get is right wing nuts don't think the government is competent enough to decide healthcare, education and any issue except the decision who who gets executed.

The government doesn't decide; the judge and jury do.

But many Republicans are anti-death penalty. I am, for example.

The puke in question is unlikely to live 70 years. Any kid with that much hubris won't last long.

The judge is a government employee.

Try again.

Being a government employee does not mean he IS the government.

You try again. The Judicial System is 1/3 of the government. It isn't the ENTIRE government.

 

[Truthseeker420]

What I don't get is right wing nuts don't think the government is competent enough to decide healthcare, education and any issue except the decision who who gets executed.

And I don't get that progressives cant tell the difference between due process, with a verdict by one's peers under the auspices of the judicial branch, and legislative/executive fiat, that places your healthcare,education,ability to drink soda etc. under the thumb of a non elected burecrat.

But I digress...isn't that her real problem; you know ,that she doesn't truly understand anything, yet feels compelled to have opinions?

I'm a he for one thing and I fully understand right wing nuttery. Lastly, yes I have an opinion whether you agree with it or not...

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I bet the victims families would rather pay for him top fuckin die, than feed, clothe and give him shelter
gar-un-teeeeed

You "bet"??!!!

wow.....what an educated-opinion.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

To execute or not: A question of cost?
States discover it's cheaper to imprison killers for life than to execute them

That would be true if those given life did not appeal their convictions.

They claim the cost is due to the appeals process as if it's limited only to those facing the death penalty.

Every person convicted of a crime has the right to appeal.

So....you're a big fan o' LIMITED-appeals, huh???

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Randy Steidl​

"Randy Steidl was an average, hard-working guy from a small farming community in southern Illinois. When questioned about the 1986 murders of newlyweds Dyke and Karen Rhoads, Randy assumed the police were questioning many people in the area. He did not know either of the victims but cooperated with the police and gave a corroborated alibi for the night of the murders. It was a shock when he and a friend were arrested, tried, convicted, and sentenced to death within 90 days.

Randy had poor representation, no DNA evidence against him, and witnesses who fabricated testimony against him due to police misconduct. He spent 12 years on death row trying to prove his innocence. Through the involvement of Center for Wrongful Convictions, a new sentencing hearing resulted in a sentence of life without parole in 1999. The center continued the fight for Randy’s freedom for almost 5 more years.

An investigation by Illinois State police proved that local law enforcement and prosecutors had framed Randy and co-defendant Herbert Whitlock. The real person responsible was Karen Rhoads’ employer, a man whose major campaign contributions to the governor’s office made this case "too politically sensitive."

Derrick Jamison​

"When James Suggs, an eyewitness to the robbery and murder of a Cincinnati bartender, was shown photo arrays of suspects by police, he identified two men—but neither of them was Derrick Jamison. There were also multiple contradictions between physical descriptions of the perpetrators given by witnesses and Derrick’s actual appearance. This information was withheld from Jamison’s trial, and as a result, an innocent man spent nearly 20 years on Ohio’s death row for a crime he did not commit.

In February 2005, Ohio Common Pleas Judge Richard Niehaus dismissed all charges against Derrick after his conviction was overturned three years earlier. Jamison was convicted and sentenced to death in 1985 based largely on the testimony of Charles Howell, a co-defendant whose own sentence was reduced in exchange for testimony against Derrick.

Statements were withheld that contradicted Howell’s testimony, undermined the prosecution’s explanation for the death, and ultimately would have incriminated other suspects for the murder. Two federal courts ruled that the prosecution's actions denied Derrick a fair trial."

 

[tjvh]

Defiant teen gets life sentences in Ohio shooting - WTOP.com

You really think society is better off with paying for this guy to live 70 years or more in prison than just having taken him out back and shot him?

monsters like this killer are the reason we need the death penalty

But some libby needs his feel good moment.

Liberals think killing is barbaric... Unless that killing removes an inconvenience they hadn't planned on, then it's OK.

 

[Borillar]

Defiant teen gets life sentences in Ohio shooting - WTOP.com

You really think society is better off with paying for this guy to live 70 years or more in prison than just having taken him out back and shot him?

monsters like this killer are the reason we need the death penalty

But some libby needs his feel good moment.

Liberals think killing is barbaric... Unless that killing removes an inconvenience they hadn't planned on, then it's OK.

Conservatives think killing is just peachy... Unless it is a fetus. Then it's horrible. Of course, once it's born it's on its own.

 

[Sallow]

Defiant teen gets life sentences in Ohio shooting - WTOP.com

You really think society is better off with paying for this guy to live 70 years or more in prison than just having taken him out back and shot him?

monsters like this killer are the reason we need the death penalty

But some libby needs his feel good moment.

Basically it's cheaper to do the "Life" thing.

And if you make a mistake? It's reversible.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

He might feel differently about it if it was a friend, family member, or himself that was sitting on death row for a crime he/they didn't commit.

Don't assume you know how I may or may not feel.

That's why I said "might" feel differently. Maybe you'd be perfectly content to be put to death for a crime you didn't commit. I wouldn't.

Damn near everyone in prison is innocent. Just ask them.

 

[Sallow]

Defiant teen gets life sentences in Ohio shooting - WTOP.com

You really think society is better off with paying for this guy to live 70 years or more in prison than just having taken him out back and shot him?

monsters like this killer are the reason we need the death penalty

But some libby needs his feel good moment.

Liberals think killing is barbaric... Unless that killing removes an inconvenience they hadn't planned on, then it's OK.

Conservatives think killing is just peachy... Unless it is a fetus. Then it's horrible. Of course, once it's born it's on its own.

Exactly.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Would you like a list of all the people on death row who have been found innocent of their crime? If it was as rare as you seem to think there wouldn't be an entire organization dedicated to helping the innocent not die for a crime they didnt commit.

Sure.

List of exonerated death row inmates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia?

You can't find anything more reliable?

 

[tjvh]

Defiant teen gets life sentences in Ohio shooting - WTOP.com

You really think society is better off with paying for this guy to live 70 years or more in prison than just having taken him out back and shot him?

monsters like this killer are the reason we need the death penalty

But some libby needs his feel good moment.

Liberals think killing is barbaric... Unless that killing removes an inconvenience they hadn't planned on, then it's OK.

Conservatives think killing is just peachy... Unless it is a fetus. Then it's horrible. Of course, once it's born it's on its own.

Who do you think warrants the death penalty more; An unplanned unborn child, or a convicted murderer? Don't bother, we all know your answer.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

There's a big difference between living and being alive.

That being said, we do the convicted a favor by administering a quick, relatively painless death as opposed to having them spend the rest of their days rotting away in prison.

Ah, yes.....the convenience of a quick execution!!!!​

Clarence Brandley​

"Clarence Brandley was working as a high school custodian in Conroe, Texas, in 1980, when police arrested him for the murder of Cheryl Fergeson, a 16-year-old white student. When his white co-workers voiced suspicion of Clarence, the only black man on the staff, he was quickly arrested and charged.
While the police interviewed Brandley and one of his white co-workers, an interrogator proclaimed that, “One of you two is going to hang for this,” and told Clarence, “Since you’re the ******, you’re elected.” In his first trial he faced an all-white jury. One juror refused to convict, causing a hung jury, and was met with a constant barrage of harassment and threats after the trial ended. Clarence’s second all-white jury convicted him, and in 1981 he was sentenced to death.

A year later it was revealed that the majority of the murder investigation’s physical evidence had mysteriously disappeared while under police control. In 1986 a new witness stepped forward claiming to know the real murderer. Yet Clarence’s defense was repeatedly denied a new trial. Mere weeks before Clarence’s scheduled execution in March 1987, PI James McCloskey joined his legal team and contributed to the first major break in the case. The original testimony of the other custodians was recanted after it was revealed that investigators had coerced their stories. Furthermore, when the blatant racism of the first two trials was discovered, the FBI decided to intervene, and Clarence was granted a new trial and exonerated. Amazingly, it took three more years for Clarence to be was released from Texas’ death row."

Shabaka WaQlimi​

"Shabaka WaQlimi (Joseph Green Brown) came within thirteen hours of being killed in an electric chair in Florida when a new trial was ordered in his case in October 1983. Twice a day, he heard the chair’s lightning-like noise from his deathwatch cell. When a prison tailor came to measure him for his burial suit, he was put back in his cell kicking and screaming. He refused to order the traditional last meal.

In 1974, a Hillsborough County jury convicted Shabaka of raping and murdering Earlene Treva Barksdale, a storeowner and the wife of a prominent Tampa lawyer. The case hinged on Ronald Floyd, a man who openly resented Shabaka for turning him in for robbery. The jury also saw a purported “smoking gun,” a .38-caliber handgun that prosecutor Robert Bonanno said was the murder weapon.

But an FBI ballistics expert—a witness the jury never heard—said the handgun could not possibly have fired the fatal bullet and several months later, Floyd admitted his lie.

Yet the Florida courts granted no relief, and in 1983 Governor Bob Graham signed Shabaka’s death warrant. His charges were finally dropped after an 11th Circuit Court of Appeals ruling stated that the prosecution had purposefully allowed false testimony at trial. Shabaka was released in 1987 when the state decided not to retry the case. He had spent 13 years on death row."