Pain lingers for lesbian couple denied in Sweet Cakes case

[frigidweirdo]

When you force someone to labor for your benefit and punish them when they refuse, this is what happens.

No one forced them to labor for their benefit. They decided to open a PUBLIC BUSINESS, they didn't have to. They could have kept the business private. They could have imposed rules. They did not, they agree to serve the people who came into the shop when they signed the business license. At any time they could have closed down their business.

What you say has merit only if the couple went into the bakery, sat down and was denied service. That is not what happened.

Is it not? Just because they did it deliberately, doesn't change the facts?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I think we can see how far society still has to travel.

If you are in the cake business then you sell cakes to the public. Not just to those whose sex lives pass your bigoted standards.

B'loney. That is not the point of the Tolerance. In a DIVERSE society, people are free to have beliefs which may offend others. The most basic right is the right to be left alone. To be forced into service of another, even if it's for money, is a violation of that right.

What people who promote PC Tolerance and Diversity always forget is that, in their pursuit of their Social Justice Cause, they trample of the rights of others.

The bakers weren't preventing the couple from getting married or buying a cake from someone else. They just did not want to be forced to provide Their Labor in the service of something that violated their beliefs.

Tolerance is Not Acceptance and Not Forced Participation.

Tolerance is a two way street, the lesbians should have tolerated the baker's beliefs

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I think we can see how far society still has to travel.

If you are in the cake business then you sell cakes to the public. Not just to those whose sex lives pass your bigoted standards.

B'loney. That is not the point of the Tolerance. In a DIVERSE society, people are free to have beliefs which may offend others. The most basic right is the right to be left alone. To be forced into service of another, even if it's for money, is a violation of that right.

What people who promote PC Tolerance and Diversity always forget is that, in their pursuit of their Social Justice Cause, they trample on the rights of others.

The bakers weren't preventing the couple from getting married or buying a cake from someone else. They just did not want to be forced to provide Their Labor in the service of something that violated their beliefs.

Tolerance is Not Acceptance and Not Forced Participation.

So bring back Jim Crow laws ?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I think we can see how far society still has to travel.

If you are in the cake business then you sell cakes to the public. Not just to those whose sex lives pass your bigoted standards.

B'loney. That is not the point of the Tolerance. In a DIVERSE society, people are free to have beliefs which may offend others. The most basic right is the right to be left alone. To be forced into service of another, even if it's for money, is a violation of that right.

What people who promote PC Tolerance and Diversity always forget is that, in their pursuit of their Social Justice Cause, they trample of the rights of others.

The bakers weren't preventing the couple from getting married or buying a cake from someone else. They just did not want to be forced to provide Their Labor in the service of something that violated their beliefs.

Tolerance is Not Acceptance and Not Forced Participation.

Tolerance is a two way street, the lesbians should have tolerated the baker's beliefs

They didnt give a toss about the bakers beliefs. They just wanted a cake.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I think we can see how far society still has to travel.

If you are in the cake business then you sell cakes to the public. Not just to those whose sex lives pass your bigoted standards.

B'loney. That is not the point of the Tolerance. In a DIVERSE society, people are free to have beliefs which may offend others. The most basic right is the right to be left alone. To be forced into service of another, even if it's for money, is a violation of that right.

What people who promote PC Tolerance and Diversity always forget is that, in their pursuit of their Social Justice Cause, they trample of the rights of others.

The bakers weren't preventing the couple from getting married or buying a cake from someone else. They just did not want to be forced to provide Their Labor in the service of something that violated their beliefs.

Tolerance is Not Acceptance and Not Forced Participation.

Tolerance is a two way street, the lesbians should have tolerated the baker's beliefs

Should they? Shouldn't the bakers have tolerated that society is a place where people should feel they aren't being persecuted?

Would you tolerate a person who hates Americans living and working in America?

 

[Katzndogz]

Now that the lesbians got what they wanted they are upset about disapproval. They weren't upset when Sweet Cakes was driven out of business. They could feel superior about teaching those bigots a lesson. They just never thought that perverts would be taught a lesson too.

 

[boedicca]

I think we can see how far society still has to travel.

If you are in the cake business then you sell cakes to the public. Not just to those whose sex lives pass your bigoted standards.

B'loney. That is not the point of the Tolerance. In a DIVERSE society, people are free to have beliefs which may offend others. The most basic right is the right to be left alone. To be forced into service of another, even if it's for money, is a violation of that right.

What people who promote PC Tolerance and Diversity always forget is that, in their pursuit of their Social Justice Cause, they trample on the rights of others.

The bakers weren't preventing the couple from getting married or buying a cake from someone else. They just did not want to be forced to provide Their Labor in the service of something that violated their beliefs.

Tolerance is Not Acceptance and Not Forced Participation.

So bring back Jim Crow laws ?

Logic challenged much? I said no such thing.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I think we can see how far society still has to travel.

If you are in the cake business then you sell cakes to the public. Not just to those whose sex lives pass your bigoted standards.

B'loney. That is not the point of the Tolerance. In a DIVERSE society, people are free to have beliefs which may offend others. The most basic right is the right to be left alone. To be forced into service of another, even if it's for money, is a violation of that right.

What people who promote PC Tolerance and Diversity always forget is that, in their pursuit of their Social Justice Cause, they trample of the rights of others.

The bakers weren't preventing the couple from getting married or buying a cake from someone else. They just did not want to be forced to provide Their Labor in the service of something that violated their beliefs.

Tolerance is Not Acceptance and Not Forced Participation.

Tolerance is a two way street, the lesbians should have tolerated the baker's beliefs

Should they? Shouldn't the bakers have tolerated that society is a place where people should feel they aren't being persecuted?

Would you tolerate a person who hates Americans living and working in America?

Poor analogy, there are people living and working (well a few) in America who hate real Americans....progressives

 

[boedicca]

I think we can see how far society still has to travel.

If you are in the cake business then you sell cakes to the public. Not just to those whose sex lives pass your bigoted standards.

B'loney. That is not the point of the Tolerance. In a DIVERSE society, people are free to have beliefs which may offend others. The most basic right is the right to be left alone. To be forced into service of another, even if it's for money, is a violation of that right.

What people who promote PC Tolerance and Diversity always forget is that, in their pursuit of their Social Justice Cause, they trample of the rights of others.

The bakers weren't preventing the couple from getting married or buying a cake from someone else. They just did not want to be forced to provide Their Labor in the service of something that violated their beliefs.

Tolerance is Not Acceptance and Not Forced Participation.

Tolerance is a two way street, the lesbians should have tolerated the baker's beliefs

Should they? Shouldn't the bakers have tolerated that society is a place where people should feel they aren't being persecuted?

Would you tolerate a person who hates Americans living and working in America?

It's not persecution to refuse the business of someone. That is just plain nonsense.

I see signs in restaurants that say "No shoes, no shirts, no service". That's discrimination against Nudists, but such discrimination is allowed.

 

[Katzndogz]

I think we can see how far society still has to travel.

If you are in the cake business then you sell cakes to the public. Not just to those whose sex lives pass your bigoted standards.

B'loney. That is not the point of the Tolerance. In a DIVERSE society, people are free to have beliefs which may offend others. The most basic right is the right to be left alone. To be forced into service of another, even if it's for money, is a violation of that right.

What people who promote PC Tolerance and Diversity always forget is that, in their pursuit of their Social Justice Cause, they trample of the rights of others.

The bakers weren't preventing the couple from getting married or buying a cake from someone else. They just did not want to be forced to provide Their Labor in the service of something that violated their beliefs.

Tolerance is Not Acceptance and Not Forced Participation.

Tolerance is a two way street, the lesbians should have tolerated the baker's beliefs

They didnt give a toss about the bakers beliefs. They just wanted a cake.

They got their cake and put this baker out of business with the protests they inspired. Now they learn that they had a price to pay themselves.

 

[Iceweasel]

I think we can see how far society still has to travel.

If you are in the cake business then you sell cakes to the public. Not just to those whose sex lives pass your bigoted standards.

B'loney. That is not the point of the Tolerance. In a DIVERSE society, people are free to have beliefs which may offend others. The most basic right is the right to be left alone. To be forced into service of another, even if it's for money, is a violation of that right.

What people who promote PC Tolerance and Diversity always forget is that, in their pursuit of their Social Justice Cause, they trample on the rights of others.

The bakers weren't preventing the couple from getting married or buying a cake from someone else. They just did not want to be forced to provide Their Labor in the service of something that violated their beliefs.

Tolerance is Not Acceptance and Not Forced Participation.

So bring back Jim Crow laws ?

It violated the constitution because men were treated unequally by government. There's no constitutional protection for relationships, that's why public accommodation laws were imposed by some local and state governments. It really isn't that hard to understand.

 

[Iceweasel]

I think we can see how far society still has to travel.

If you are in the cake business then you sell cakes to the public. Not just to those whose sex lives pass your bigoted standards.

B'loney. That is not the point of the Tolerance. In a DIVERSE society, people are free to have beliefs which may offend others. The most basic right is the right to be left alone. To be forced into service of another, even if it's for money, is a violation of that right.

What people who promote PC Tolerance and Diversity always forget is that, in their pursuit of their Social Justice Cause, they trample of the rights of others.

The bakers weren't preventing the couple from getting married or buying a cake from someone else. They just did not want to be forced to provide Their Labor in the service of something that violated their beliefs.

Tolerance is Not Acceptance and Not Forced Participation.

Tolerance is a two way street, the lesbians should have tolerated the baker's beliefs

Should they? Shouldn't the bakers have tolerated that society is a place where people should feel they aren't being persecuted?

Would you tolerate a person who hates Americans living and working in America?

You don't have the right to not be offended.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I think we can see how far society still has to travel.

If you are in the cake business then you sell cakes to the public. Not just to those whose sex lives pass your bigoted standards.

B'loney. That is not the point of the Tolerance. In a DIVERSE society, people are free to have beliefs which may offend others. The most basic right is the right to be left alone. To be forced into service of another, even if it's for money, is a violation of that right.

What people who promote PC Tolerance and Diversity always forget is that, in their pursuit of their Social Justice Cause, they trample of the rights of others.

The bakers weren't preventing the couple from getting married or buying a cake from someone else. They just did not want to be forced to provide Their Labor in the service of something that violated their beliefs.

Tolerance is Not Acceptance and Not Forced Participation.

Tolerance is a two way street, the lesbians should have tolerated the baker's beliefs

They didnt give a toss about the bakers beliefs. They just wanted a cake.

And the bakers' beliefs include things like "don't cross over the road and ignore those who you might not like", oh, they were quickly forgotten, weren't they?

 

[boedicca]

I think we can see how far society still has to travel.

If you are in the cake business then you sell cakes to the public. Not just to those whose sex lives pass your bigoted standards.

B'loney. That is not the point of the Tolerance. In a DIVERSE society, people are free to have beliefs which may offend others. The most basic right is the right to be left alone. To be forced into service of another, even if it's for money, is a violation of that right.

What people who promote PC Tolerance and Diversity always forget is that, in their pursuit of their Social Justice Cause, they trample of the rights of others.

The bakers weren't preventing the couple from getting married or buying a cake from someone else. They just did not want to be forced to provide Their Labor in the service of something that violated their beliefs.

Tolerance is Not Acceptance and Not Forced Participation.

Tolerance is a two way street, the lesbians should have tolerated the baker's beliefs

They didnt give a toss about the bakers beliefs. They just wanted a cake.

And the bakers' beliefs include things like "don't cross over the road and ignore those who you might not like", oh, they were quickly forgotten, weren't they?

The Bakers didn't go anywhere. They were in their own shop.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I think we can see how far society still has to travel.

If you are in the cake business then you sell cakes to the public. Not just to those whose sex lives pass your bigoted standards.

B'loney. That is not the point of the Tolerance. In a DIVERSE society, people are free to have beliefs which may offend others. The most basic right is the right to be left alone. To be forced into service of another, even if it's for money, is a violation of that right.

What people who promote PC Tolerance and Diversity always forget is that, in their pursuit of their Social Justice Cause, they trample of the rights of others.

The bakers weren't preventing the couple from getting married or buying a cake from someone else. They just did not want to be forced to provide Their Labor in the service of something that violated their beliefs.

Tolerance is Not Acceptance and Not Forced Participation.

Tolerance is a two way street, the lesbians should have tolerated the baker's beliefs

Should they? Shouldn't the bakers have tolerated that society is a place where people should feel they aren't being persecuted?

Would you tolerate a person who hates Americans living and working in America?

Poor analogy, there are people living and working (well a few) in America who hate real Americans....progressives

How is it a poor analogy if you then say there are such people? The point being that they have a right to their views, even if they hate America, but no doubt many people will tell them to leave America if they don't like America.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I think we can see how far society still has to travel.

If you are in the cake business then you sell cakes to the public. Not just to those whose sex lives pass your bigoted standards.

B'loney. That is not the point of the Tolerance. In a DIVERSE society, people are free to have beliefs which may offend others. The most basic right is the right to be left alone. To be forced into service of another, even if it's for money, is a violation of that right.

What people who promote PC Tolerance and Diversity always forget is that, in their pursuit of their Social Justice Cause, they trample of the rights of others.

The bakers weren't preventing the couple from getting married or buying a cake from someone else. They just did not want to be forced to provide Their Labor in the service of something that violated their beliefs.

Tolerance is Not Acceptance and Not Forced Participation.

Tolerance is a two way street, the lesbians should have tolerated the baker's beliefs

They didnt give a toss about the bakers beliefs. They just wanted a cake.

And the bakers' beliefs include things like "don't cross over the road and ignore those who you might not like", oh, they were quickly forgotten, weren't they?

The Bakers didn't go anywhere. They were in their own shop.

I didn't say anything about going anywhere. However they're Christians, and part of Christian belief is not to turn away from those you don't like. ISN'T IT?

 

[frigidweirdo]

I think we can see how far society still has to travel.

If you are in the cake business then you sell cakes to the public. Not just to those whose sex lives pass your bigoted standards.

B'loney. That is not the point of the Tolerance. In a DIVERSE society, people are free to have beliefs which may offend others. The most basic right is the right to be left alone. To be forced into service of another, even if it's for money, is a violation of that right.

What people who promote PC Tolerance and Diversity always forget is that, in their pursuit of their Social Justice Cause, they trample of the rights of others.

The bakers weren't preventing the couple from getting married or buying a cake from someone else. They just did not want to be forced to provide Their Labor in the service of something that violated their beliefs.

Tolerance is Not Acceptance and Not Forced Participation.

Tolerance is a two way street, the lesbians should have tolerated the baker's beliefs

They didnt give a toss about the bakers beliefs. They just wanted a cake.

They got their cake and put this baker out of business with the protests they inspired. Now they learn that they had a price to pay themselves.

The price of being bullied by religious fanatics from a religion that claims not to act in such a manner?

 

[Katzndogz]

B'loney. That is not the point of the Tolerance. In a DIVERSE society, people are free to have beliefs which may offend others. The most basic right is the right to be left alone. To be forced into service of another, even if it's for money, is a violation of that right.

What people who promote PC Tolerance and Diversity always forget is that, in their pursuit of their Social Justice Cause, they trample of the rights of others.

The bakers weren't preventing the couple from getting married or buying a cake from someone else. They just did not want to be forced to provide Their Labor in the service of something that violated their beliefs.

Tolerance is Not Acceptance and Not Forced Participation.

Tolerance is a two way street, the lesbians should have tolerated the baker's beliefs

They didnt give a toss about the bakers beliefs. They just wanted a cake.

And the bakers' beliefs include things like "don't cross over the road and ignore those who you might not like", oh, they were quickly forgotten, weren't they?

The Bakers didn't go anywhere. They were in their own shop.

I didn't say anything about going anywhere. However they're Christians, and part of Christian belief is not to turn away from those you don't like. ISN'T IT?

No part of Christian belief requires Christians to commit sin.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Tolerance is a two way street, the lesbians should have tolerated the baker's beliefs

They didnt give a toss about the bakers beliefs. They just wanted a cake.

And the bakers' beliefs include things like "don't cross over the road and ignore those who you might not like", oh, they were quickly forgotten, weren't they?

The Bakers didn't go anywhere. They were in their own shop.

I didn't say anything about going anywhere. However they're Christians, and part of Christian belief is not to turn away from those you don't like. ISN'T IT?

No part of Christian belief requires Christians to commit sin.

What sin would be committed by making a cake for gay people exactly?

 

[Katzndogz]

I think we can see how far society still has to travel.

If you are in the cake business then you sell cakes to the public. Not just to those whose sex lives pass your bigoted standards.

B'loney. That is not the point of the Tolerance. In a DIVERSE society, people are free to have beliefs which may offend others. The most basic right is the right to be left alone. To be forced into service of another, even if it's for money, is a violation of that right.

What people who promote PC Tolerance and Diversity always forget is that, in their pursuit of their Social Justice Cause, they trample of the rights of others.

The bakers weren't preventing the couple from getting married or buying a cake from someone else. They just did not want to be forced to provide Their Labor in the service of something that violated their beliefs.

Tolerance is Not Acceptance and Not Forced Participation.

Tolerance is a two way street, the lesbians should have tolerated the baker's beliefs

They didnt give a toss about the bakers beliefs. They just wanted a cake.

They got their cake and put this baker out of business with the protests they inspired. Now they learn that they had a price to pay themselves.

The price of being bullied by religious fanatics from a religion that claims not to act in such a manner?

The price of being a bully themselves. Which is a good thing. They are experiencing the consequences of their own actions.