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RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Actually, that is not what the Resolution [on the Anniversary of Resolution A/RES/181(II) of 29 November 1947] A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012 actually said.

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• 11/29/2012 A/RES/67/19 Status of Palestine in the UN/non-member observer State status - GA resolution •
MKV - Najat El-Khairy - Journey of a Palestinian Artist at the United Nations


Vote in the UN to recognize Palestine as a state.
138 in favor.
41 chickens.
9 assholes.

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What amazes me is that the Arab Palestinians cannot even talk about that event without twisting the facts.
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EXCERPT from A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012 said:
2. Decides to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations, without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people, in accordance with the relevant resolutions and practice;


It does not say anything about a UN general assembly vote on membership for the state of Palestine. This is a very specific "non-member" status.

In fact, it should be noted that the A/RES/67/19 made note of the 11 November 2011 report of the Security Council Committee on the Admission of New Members, S/2011/705.

S/2011/705 Palestine's UN application - Report said:
21. In summing up the debate at the 110th meeting of the Committee, the Chair stated that the Committee was unable to make a unanimous recommendation to the Security Council.

I didn't understand it then, and still don't understand, how the Arab Palestinians point to this document as making some special recognition. It simple does not.

Under International Law [Article 3 - Montevideo Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933] specifically states "The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states." Self-recognition was made and recorded in the "Political Communiqué of the Palestine National Council and the Declaration of Independence of 15 November 1988."

"The Palestine National Council hereby declares,
in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people,
the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine
with its capital at Jerusalem."

This is much to-do about nothing. More twisted misinformation that further places in question the credibility of the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R[/INDENT]
 
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RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Actually, that is not what the Resolution [on the Anniversary of Resolution A/RES/181(II) of 29 November 1947] A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012 actually said.
MKV - Najat El-Khairy - Journey of a Palestinian Artist at the United Nations


Vote in the UN to recognize Palestine as a state.
138 in favor.
41 chickens.
9 assholes.

(COMMENT)

What amazes me is that the Arab Palestinians cannot even talk about that event without twisting the facts.
EXCERPT from A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012 said:
2. Decides to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations, without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people, in accordance with the relevant resolutions and practice;

It does not say anything about a UN general assembly vote on membership for the state of Palestine. This is a very specific "non-member" status.

In fact, it should be noted that the A/RES/67/19 made note of the 11 November 2011 report of the Security Council Committee on the Admission of New Members, S/2011/705.

S/2011/705 Palestine's UN application - Report said:
21. In summing up the debate at the 110th meeting of the Committee, the Chair stated that the Committee was unable to make a unanimous recommendation to the Security Council.

I didn't understand it then, and still don't understand, how the Arab Palestinians point to this document as making some special recognition. It simple does not.

Under International Law [Article 3 - Montevideo Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933] specifically states "The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states." Self-recognition was made and recorded in the "Political Communiqué of the Palestine National Council and the Declaration of Independence of 15 November 1988."

"The Palestine National Council hereby declares,
in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people,
the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine
with its capital at Jerusalem."

This is much to-do about nothing. More twisted misinformation that further places in question the credibility of the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
Under International Law [Article 3 - Montevideo Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933] specifically states "The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states." Self-recognition was made and recorded in the "Political Communiqué of the Palestine National Council and the Declaration of Independence of 15 November 1988."
Indeed, and self recognition was also made in 1948. Even though recognition was not required of other states, five other states recognized Palestine in 1948. Palestine was recognized as a state during the Mandate period by most states including the US who had a trade agreement with Palestine in 1932.

ARTICLE 4

States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.​

External interference by greater powers, i.e. military occupation, do not negate the right of a state to exist as a person under international law.
 
Under International Law [Article 3 - Montevideo Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933] specifically states "The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states." Self-recognition was made and recorded in the "Political Communiqué of the Palestine National Council and the Declaration of Independence of 15 November 1988."
Indeed, and self recognition was also made in 1948. Even though recognition was not required of other states, five other states recognized Palestine in 1948. Palestine was recognized as a state during the Mandate period by most states including the US who had a trade agreement with Palestine in 1932.

ARTICLE 4

States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.​

External interference by greater powers, i.e. military occupation, do not negate the right of a state to exist as a person under international law.
Indeed, Arabs-moslems can make multiple claims to statehood but indeed, doing nothing to establish the parameters of a viable state makes such claims rather meaningless, indeed.
 
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