pastor whining because town bans church on the beach

[hortysir]

How on Earth does praying on a beach constitute the state endorsing a religion?

You fuckers are completely nuts. Seriously, you are some fucked up assholes.

Its a public beach. Get the fuck off it and into church where you belong.

 

[hortysir]

There's a state park nearby.
One very common practice at this park is Christenings and Baptisms.

Not a peep from atheists

 

[TemplarKormac]

This is why I have little hope for my country... people like you wishing to alienate people from public places and forums all for being Christians. You make me ill, all of of you who claim to want tolerance, are quite incapable of giving it. Sure, you can have your gay parades, but we, well we can't preach on the beach. You and your kind are rank hypocrites.

Siddown.

It has nothing to do with them being Christians, and everything to do with public enjoyment of THEIR freedom from harassment.

I have my own religion which I am very happy with. I spent a lot of time deciding which Christian denomination best matched my beliefs and went with that. Attempts to "convert" me to someone else's religion are an affront to my faith. They assume that I either have no beliefs of my own, or that my church is not the true church and my beliefs are wrong. If I go with my family on a picnic at the beach, I go there to relax and enjoy the outdoors, not put up with someone telling me my faith is wrong and theirs is right.

This notion that Christians can harass others at will and attempt to convert them is a subversion of the intent and meaning of the Contitution. The amendment was to ensure people had the freedom to worship according their beliefs, not that they could harass and intimidate others with them.

Who are we harassing exactly?

 

[Dragonlady]

Who are we harassing exactly?

People handing out pamphlets on the street, people preaching on streetcorners, JW's coming to your door, ministers holding services on public beaches - are a form of harassment of non-believers, whether the person doesn't believe in Jesus, or is simply an adherent to another form of Christianity, it is harassment not to leave others to their own religion.

IMO, trying to force your religion on others interferes with THEIR freedom of religion.

 

[Ernie S.]

Who are we harassing exactly?

People handing out pamphlets on the street, people preaching on streetcorners, JW's coming to your door, ministers holding services on public beaches - are a form of harassment of non-believers, whether the person doesn't believe in Jesus, or is simply an adherent to another form of Christianity, it is harassment not to leave others to their own religion.

IMO, trying to force your religion on others interferes with THEIR freedom of religion.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

[OriginalShroom]

This notion that Christians can harass others at will and attempt to convert them is a subversion of the intent and meaning of the Contitution. The amendment was to ensure people had the freedom to worship according their beliefs, not that they could harass and intimidate others with them.

I would suggest that you look up "The Great Commission".

What Is The Great Commission

I would also suggest that you study some Constitutional law when it comes the useage of public areas and under what grounds it can be denied.

 

[Gracie]

Who are we harassing exactly?

People handing out pamphlets on the street, people preaching on streetcorners, JW's coming to your door, ministers holding services on public beaches - are a form of harassment of non-believers, whether the person doesn't believe in Jesus, or is simply an adherent to another form of Christianity, it is harassment not to leave others to their own religion.

IMO, trying to force your religion on others interferes with THEIR freedom of religion.

Well, I don't like being handed pamphlets in vegas on where the nearest whore house is either but...whatcha gonna do?

 

[OriginalShroom]

Frankly, I am tired of all the Christian bashing. I don't like being thumped in the head with a bible either, but I also think they should be able to preach to those who want to be preached to..whether it is a beach, a park or in a church. Those not interested can continue swimming, throwing a frisbee or passing by the church itself.

Sure is a lot of lopsided shit going on.

Have a church service in a church, and people who wish to attend can. Don't make other people part of it - they have to listen to it, and they shouldn't have to.

Then no more Gay parades or public display of gay affection. It is offensive. Don't make other people have to watch that stuff. They shouldn't have to.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Who are we harassing exactly?

People handing out pamphlets on the street, people preaching on streetcorners, JW's coming to your door, ministers holding services on public beaches - are a form of harassment of non-believers, whether the person doesn't believe in Jesus, or is simply an adherent to another form of Christianity, it is harassment not to leave others to their own religion.

IMO, trying to force your religion on others interferes with THEIR freedom of religion.

I will ask you once again, who are we harassing exactly? Spare me your long winded rhetorical responses.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Who are we harassing exactly?

People handing out pamphlets on the street, people preaching on streetcorners, JW's coming to your door, ministers holding services on public beaches - are a form of harassment of non-believers, whether the person doesn't believe in Jesus, or is simply an adherent to another form of Christianity, it is harassment not to leave others to their own religion.

IMO, trying to force your religion on others interferes with THEIR freedom of religion.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Key words being "free exercise."

 

[Gracie]

Who are we harassing exactly?

People handing out pamphlets on the street, people preaching on streetcorners, JW's coming to your door, ministers holding services on public beaches - are a form of harassment of non-believers, whether the person doesn't believe in Jesus, or is simply an adherent to another form of Christianity, it is harassment not to leave others to their own religion.

IMO, trying to force your religion on others interferes with THEIR freedom of religion.

You are trying to force your religion on me right now. Right here, right now, this very moment by telling me when and where and how I can pray. Right?

 

[Locke11_21]

They should dress appropriately, and as long as they are not forcing homosexuality on people (a pride march is not forcing anything) then it should be fine.
A church service on a beach is fine providing you don't start preaching to members of the public.

Okay, so as long as we don't try to shove a bible down anyone's throat you'd be fine it with.

That's good to hear. I was starting to think you were intolerant.

You don't have the right to force your beliefs on others. It is that simple.

And yet with this previous post you made, you did exactly what you attacked tooalive for:

"They should dress appropriately, and as long as they are not forcing homosexuality on people (a pride march is not forcing anything) then it should be fine.
A church service on a beach is fine providing you don't start preaching to members of the public."


Pot meet kettle

 

[Avatar4321]

I don't care if it isn't endorsing a religion its harassing beach goers who have no interest in the rantings of a mad man. That shit belongs in a church not on a public beach.

Thank God our Founders were inspired to amend the Constitution and gave us the First Amendment to keep people from you from infringing on our rights.

 

[Avatar4321]

Who are we harassing exactly?

People handing out pamphlets on the street, people preaching on streetcorners, JW's coming to your door, ministers holding services on public beaches - are a form of harassment of non-believers, whether the person doesn't believe in Jesus, or is simply an adherent to another form of Christianity, it is harassment not to leave others to their own religion.

IMO, trying to force your religion on others interferes with THEIR freedom of religion.

How is handing someone a pamplet force anyone's religion on another person?

The Jehovah's witnesses come by here all the time. I talk with them and they give me their pamplets. Them doing so hasn't forced their religion upon me.

I can't imagine how insecure I would have to be to think that someone sharing their faith somehow imposes any restrictions on mine.

 

[shintao]

Who are we harassing exactly?

People handing out pamphlets on the street, people preaching on streetcorners, JW's coming to your door, ministers holding services on public beaches - are a form of harassment of non-believers, whether the person doesn't believe in Jesus, or is simply an adherent to another form of Christianity, it is harassment not to leave others to their own religion.

IMO, trying to force your religion on others interferes with THEIR freedom of religion.

How is handing someone a pamplet force anyone's religion on another person?

The Jehovah's witnesses come by here all the time. I talk with them and they give me their pamplets. Them doing so hasn't forced their religion upon me.

I can't imagine how insecure I would have to be to think that someone sharing their faith somehow imposes any restrictions on mine.

Hmm, so you would be fine having hookers come by and hand you pamplets with nude pics, and talk nasty to you, and then move along.

 

[TemplarKormac]

People handing out pamphlets on the street, people preaching on streetcorners, JW's coming to your door, ministers holding services on public beaches - are a form of harassment of non-believers, whether the person doesn't believe in Jesus, or is simply an adherent to another form of Christianity, it is harassment not to leave others to their own religion.

IMO, trying to force your religion on others interferes with THEIR freedom of religion.

How is handing someone a pamplet force anyone's religion on another person?

The Jehovah's witnesses come by here all the time. I talk with them and they give me their pamplets. Them doing so hasn't forced their religion upon me.

I can't imagine how insecure I would have to be to think that someone sharing their faith somehow imposes any restrictions on mine.

Hmm, so you would be fine having hookers come by and hand you pamplets with nude pics, and talk nasty to you, and then move along.

Nice strawman. Do you have an argument of some type?

 

[Gracie]

Being a whore is not a religion. Or is it? lol

 

[Avatar4321]

Hmm, so you would be fine having hookers come by and hand you pamplets with nude pics, and talk nasty to you, and then move along.

So you equate religion with pornography and sharing the Gospel with talking nasty with people?

If you can't see the difference between the two, then you have some major issues.

 

[HUGGY]

Who are we harassing exactly?

People handing out pamphlets on the street, people preaching on streetcorners, JW's coming to your door, ministers holding services on public beaches - are a form of harassment of non-believers, whether the person doesn't believe in Jesus, or is simply an adherent to another form of Christianity, it is harassment not to leave others to their own religion.

IMO, trying to force your religion on others interferes with THEIR freedom of religion.

How is handing someone a pamplet force anyone's religion on another person?

The Jehovah's witnesses come by here all the time. I talk with them and they give me their pamplets. Them doing so hasn't forced their religion upon me.

I can't imagine how insecure I would have to be to think that someone sharing their faith somehow imposes any restrictions on mine.

You are so full of shit.

Try and imagine how one of your mega churches would react if a group of atheists took up residense outside the church's driveway on a public sidewalk handing out pamphlets saying how rediculous christianity was. If there is even a tiny scrap of honesty in your sociopathic brain you know damned well the parisheners would go ballistic and claim they were being harrassed by the atheists.

All you see in life is what you believe the bible to mean. You are no less crazy than a guy who reads a superman comic book and goes out to murder people that resemble the villians in the comic book. You take the word of people that had less education than the average modern day 5 year old as fact.

If you were honest about the bible you would try to reconstruct what someone 2000 years ago really believed about what the world was according to his or her impressions and education. These people were not like us. They only lived on average into thier twenties and thirties. Slavery and absolute rule by sadistic monsters was the norm. Life meant NOTHING. People were bought and sold routinely. People were ripped apart by wild animals or hacked to pieces in combat as entertainment for god's sakes in stadiums. These people you have so much faith in were barely more advanced than animals. How on earth can you believe thier scribblings? Tricking one another as a means to control by words or myth would be the least kind of a crime these morons were capable of. Fraud seems like the standard MO from people on the very edge of survival. The would do anything..say anything..sell anything ..including human beings just to get by to the next victim.

People were not good back them. Suggesting that that society was capable of creating something worthy of lasting 2000 years as a guide on how to behave as a human being is laughable.

Crazy christians should stay away from the open ocean. A lot of accidents happen on beaches and in the water. People go missing on Florida beaches at an alarming rate. Fact!

 

[Avatar4321]

Athiests have done that before huggy. No one has stopped them. They are mostly ignored.