Police,with FBI help seize gun from man COMPLETELY based on his political beliefs,affiliations

[beagle9]

What does avowed mean ? He associated himself with neo-nazisism ?? Is he connected to a neo-nazi group based upon his own words spoken ? Are the neo-nazis listed as a terrorist organization ? What all is involved really ?

He has views that are not condoned by the rulers of the state. He is guilty of 2nd degree thought crime.

Is he a neo-nazi in those views ?

 

[pknopp]

Remove the rights from someone based upon what group he belongs to and it's not long before the rights of others get removed.

 

[elongobardi]

Hopefully he is able to counter this in the courts.

Why??? Why the fuck should it even come to that??

That's the way it works. If you want to bark at shadows, have at it.

It’s bullshit is what it’s is. It’s a bias interpretation of what he said and the left will take guns anyway it can and it’s illegal. Someone will fight it to the Supreme Court and they will slap down the bullshit red flag law. Someone hears a part of your conversation and calls the police meanwhile if the Assholes listen to the hole story there is no problem with it. It’s a left wing way to start taking guns from people. It’s a disgrace. They are bypassing the Bill of Rights. If I arrested someone because somebody said I think he has a gun then I’m in trouble, my department is in trouble and my city is in trouble. You libtards are to ignorant to think for yourselves. Pathetic brainwashed morons.


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[pknopp]

Hopefully he is able to counter this in the courts.

Why??? Why the fuck should it even come to that??

That's the way it works. If you want to bark at shadows, have at it.

It’s bullshit is what it’s is. It’s a bias interpretation of what he said and the left will take guns anyway it can and it’s illegal. Someone will fight it to the Supreme Court and they will slap down the bullshit red flag law. Someone hears a part of your conversation and calls the police meanwhile if the Assholes listen to the hole story there is no problem with it. It’s a left wing way to start taking guns from people. It’s a disgrace. They are bypassing the Bill of Rights. If I arrested someone because somebody said I think he has a gun then I’m in trouble, my department is in trouble and my city is in trouble. You libtards are to ignorant to think for yourselves. Pathetic brainwashed morons.


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I said I hope he can be able to take this to court. You argue that someone will take this to court and win but you felt some desire to call me names?

 

[beagle9]

Remove the rights from someone based upon what group he belongs to and it's not long before the rights of others get removed.

All depends doesn't it ? So basically what it's all about anymore, is no one trust big brother, and rightfully so based on it's track record these days.

 

[DOTR]

Police seize guns from avowed neo-Nazi in Snohomish County

EXACTLY what we said would happen. First a VETERAN school crossing guard and now someone who had his guns ILLEGALLY taken completely based on his political beliefs and affiliations. This is EXACTLY why they wanted these unconstitutional laws and why they want ALL guns to be registered and bought through people/businesses who have to keep record of who is buying them. Of course on both sides the short sighted mentally deficient won't care about this because his political affiliations hurt their delicate feelings,they won't care until a GOP governor or administration tries taking them from leftists and the GOP lovers won't care until a leftist governor or administration tries taking them from republicans and conservatives. This is a VERY slippery slope that is HIGHLY unconstitutional.

"Cole is not charged with a crime but is named in an Extreme Risk Protection Order (ERPO)"

That doesn't sound ominous at all.

 

[DOTR]

It's the federal government who asked Washington state (King County) to obtain and execute the ERPO

Oh thats even less ominous.

 

[elongobardi]

Hopefully he is able to counter this in the courts.

Why??? Why the fuck should it even come to that??

That's the way it works. If you want to bark at shadows, have at it.

It’s bullshit is what it’s is. It’s a bias interpretation of what he said and the left will take guns anyway it can and it’s illegal. Someone will fight it to the Supreme Court and they will slap down the bullshit red flag law. Someone hears a part of your conversation and calls the police meanwhile if the Assholes listen to the hole story there is no problem with it. It’s a left wing way to start taking guns from people. It’s a disgrace. They are bypassing the Bill of Rights. If I arrested someone because somebody said I think he has a gun then I’m in trouble, my department is in trouble and my city is in trouble. You libtards are to ignorant to think for yourselves. Pathetic brainwashed morons.


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I said I hope he can be able to take this to court. You argue that someone will take this to court and win but you felt some desire to call me names?

I sent you a PM.


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[beagle9]

Hopefully he is able to counter this in the courts.

Why??? Why the fuck should it even come to that??

That's the way it works. If you want to bark at shadows, have at it.

It’s bullshit is what it’s is. It’s a bias interpretation of what he said and the left will take guns anyway it can and it’s illegal. Someone will fight it to the Supreme Court and they will slap down the bullshit red flag law. Someone hears a part of your conversation and calls the police meanwhile if the Assholes listen to the hole story there is no problem with it. It’s a left wing way to start taking guns from people. It’s a disgrace. They are bypassing the Bill of Rights. If I arrested someone because somebody said I think he has a gun then I’m in trouble, my department is in trouble and my city is in trouble. You libtards are to ignorant to think for yourselves. Pathetic brainwashed morons.


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I said I hope he can be able to take this to court. You argue that someone will take this to court and win but you felt some desire to call me names?

I sent you a PM.


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Doesn't a PM alert the person when you send it ??? Never sent one here, but found it odd you had to say that in the open forum like that.

 

[Preacher]

I've read nothing that even suggested that. I suspect you haven't either.

Here's a little more information on Cole and why the FBI was so concerned about what he's been up to:

SEATTLE — A notorious neo-Nazi whose antics have included organizing paramilitary exercises in the woods of western Washington state to prepare for a “race war” has discovered there are limits to organizing violent extremism. Using a so-called “red flag” law, Seattle Police have taken away all of his guns.

Kaleb J. Cole, the 24-year-old leader of the state’s chapter of the violent fascist group Atomwaffen Division (AWD), was ordered by the state’s civil courts to surrender his guns earlier this month, according to a report from Ali Winston of The Daily Beast. The order resulted from Seattle City Police filing an “Extreme Risk Protection” petition against Cole on the basis of his violent rhetoric and organizing.

Cole first came to national attention last year as one of the ringleaders of the neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, exposed in a deep Pro Publica profile of the organization already associated with several murders. A video portrayed him leading a shooting exercise in the woods near the town of Concrete, in the western Cascades Range. He is formerly from the border town of Blaine in Whatcom County, but reportedly moved to Snohomish County near Arlington after the profile was published.

According to Winston’s report, Cole surrendered several firearms, including a pistol and an AK-47 variant with a high-capacity drum magazine. He was photographed with the weapons while participating in an Atomwaffen exercise in Nevada in 2018.

FBI agents greeted Cole at O’Hare International Airport in Chicago last year, according to a report from Mike Baker of The New York Times, upon his return from a trip to Europe in which he apparently hooked up with a number of other far-right extremists. An inspection of photos on his cell phone found he had visited the Auschwitz concentration camp site in Poland with other neo-Nazis, and there were photos showing him and others with the Atomwaffen banner, giving the Nazi salute.

“This was an individual who had access to firearms and was preparing for a race war,” Kimberly Wyatt, a King County prosecutor, told the Times.

Washington’s “red flag” law allows law enforcement or civilians to obtain a court order to confiscate weapons when there is evidence that people are at high risk of harming themselves or others. A similar law in Oregon was recently used to confiscate the weapons of another right-wing extremist, Marine Sgt. Michael Kohfield, who had announced his plan to hunt down and murder antifascists in their homes.

Western Washington has been plagued with the presence of a number of far-right extremists and their organizations the past several years, including street-brawling groups such as Joey Gibson’s Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys, as well as more violent paramilitary organizations such as Atomwaffen Division and The Base, which recently began holding training exercises in the state’s northeastern corner.

There’s also a fair amount of crossover membership within these groups. A member of the Proud Boys from the Seattle neighborhood of Ballard, Sean-Michael Scott, was recently exposed by Puget Sound Anarchists as another participant in Atomwaffen exercises as well.

According to Winston, Cole liked to use the nom de plume Khimaere in his online exchanges with other Atomwaffen members. He is also a fan of neo-Nazi “black metal” music and was in a band called Opferblut, which means “sacrificial blood” in German; Cole apparently likes to mix Satanism with his fascist ideology.

Wyatt told the Times that the confiscation of Cole’s guns was part of an increased focus on the activities of white supremacist terrorists in the Pacific Northwest by regional law enforcement, noting that their threatening behavior and rhetoric posed a constitutional challenge that the use of “red flag” laws helps them overcome.

“What do you do when there’s a general threat versus one specific individual?” Wyatt observed.​

Seattle confiscates guns belonging to neo-Nazi Atomwaffen group leader​

on the basis of his violent rhetoric and organizing.

Wow....so he said things the government doesn't like and he belongs to a group who likes to train and exercise their 2nd amendment rights....holy shit...this is ridiculous

 

[Crepitus]

Police seize guns from avowed neo-Nazi in Snohomish County

EXACTLY what we said would happen. First a VETERAN school crossing guard and now someone who had his guns ILLEGALLY taken completely based on his political beliefs and affiliations. This is EXACTLY why they wanted these unconstitutional laws and why they want ALL guns to be registered and bought through people/businesses who have to keep record of who is buying them. Of course on both sides the short sighted mentally deficient won't care about this because his political affiliations hurt their delicate feelings,they won't care until a GOP governor or administration tries taking them from leftists and the GOP lovers won't care until a leftist governor or administration tries taking them from republicans and conservatives. This is a VERY slippery slope that is HIGHLY unconstitutional.

Right, the leader of a neonazi organization who's members have been charged in a number of murders in various states, idolizes Charles Manson and Adolf Hitler, and practices assaulting through buildings with military style weaponry is no danger to society.

Amiright?

 

[Crepitus]

Wow...

No probable cause..... Just hints at affiliation.. This needs to be slapped down hard and fast...

Not "hints of affiliation". He's the leader of the nutbar militia.

 

[pknopp]

Wow...

No probable cause..... Just hints at affiliation.. This needs to be slapped down hard and fast...

Not "hints of affiliation". He's the leader of the nutbar militia.

The Constitution guarantees the right of free association no matter how dispicable.

 

[Crepitus]

Only one way to stop them.

I wake up every morning wondering, "Is THIS the day they take out the trash?"

Wow, must suck to be that paranoid.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Wow...

No probable cause..... Just hints at affiliation.. This needs to be slapped down hard and fast...

Not "hints of affiliation". He's the leader of the nutbar militia.

Doesn't matter.. this is illegal..

 

[theHawk]

Police seize guns from avowed neo-Nazi in Snohomish County

EXACTLY what we said would happen. First a VETERAN school crossing guard and now someone who had his guns ILLEGALLY taken completely based on his political beliefs and affiliations. This is EXACTLY why they wanted these unconstitutional laws and why they want ALL guns to be registered and bought through people/businesses who have to keep record of who is buying them. Of course on both sides the short sighted mentally deficient won't care about this because his political affiliations hurt their delicate feelings,they won't care until a GOP governor or administration tries taking them from leftists and the GOP lovers won't care until a leftist governor or administration tries taking them from republicans and conservatives. This is a VERY slippery slope that is HIGHLY unconstitutional.

Meanwhile leftwing Social Justice Terrorists that actively infringe on people’s first amendment rights with violent acts go unnoticed by the authorities.

 

[j-mac]

Right, the leader of a neonazi organization who's members have been charged in a number of murders in various states, idolizes Charles Manson and Adolf Hitler, and practices assaulting through buildings with military style weaponry is no danger to society.

Amiright?

Nothing I see you listed there is illegal....Isn't this why we have a bill of rights? To stop people like you from imposing your penalities on people you don't like simply because you don't like them?

 

[j-mac]

Wow...

No probable cause..... Just hints at affiliation.. This needs to be slapped down hard and fast...

Not "hints of affiliation". He's the leader of the nutbar militia.

So? should he have gotten your approval before he believes something?

 

[beagle9]

I've read nothing that even suggested that. I suspect you haven't either.

Here's a little more information on Cole and why the FBI was so concerned about what he's been up to:

SEATTLE — A notorious neo-Nazi whose antics have included organizing paramilitary exercises in the woods of western Washington state to prepare for a “race war” has discovered there are limits to organizing violent extremism. Using a so-called “red flag” law, Seattle Police have taken away all of his guns.

Kaleb J. Cole, the 24-year-old leader of the state’s chapter of the violent fascist group Atomwaffen Division (AWD), was ordered by the state’s civil courts to surrender his guns earlier this month, according to a report from Ali Winston of The Daily Beast. The order resulted from Seattle City Police filing an “Extreme Risk Protection” petition against Cole on the basis of his violent rhetoric and organizing.

Cole first came to national attention last year as one of the ringleaders of the neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, exposed in a deep Pro Publica profile of the organization already associated with several murders. A video portrayed him leading a shooting exercise in the woods near the town of Concrete, in the western Cascades Range. He is formerly from the border town of Blaine in Whatcom County, but reportedly moved to Snohomish County near Arlington after the profile was published.

According to Winston’s report, Cole surrendered several firearms, including a pistol and an AK-47 variant with a high-capacity drum magazine. He was photographed with the weapons while participating in an Atomwaffen exercise in Nevada in 2018.

FBI agents greeted Cole at O’Hare International Airport in Chicago last year, according to a report from Mike Baker of The New York Times, upon his return from a trip to Europe in which he apparently hooked up with a number of other far-right extremists. An inspection of photos on his cell phone found he had visited the Auschwitz concentration camp site in Poland with other neo-Nazis, and there were photos showing him and others with the Atomwaffen banner, giving the Nazi salute.

“This was an individual who had access to firearms and was preparing for a race war,” Kimberly Wyatt, a King County prosecutor, told the Times.

Washington’s “red flag” law allows law enforcement or civilians to obtain a court order to confiscate weapons when there is evidence that people are at high risk of harming themselves or others. A similar law in Oregon was recently used to confiscate the weapons of another right-wing extremist, Marine Sgt. Michael Kohfield, who had announced his plan to hunt down and murder antifascists in their homes.

Western Washington has been plagued with the presence of a number of far-right extremists and their organizations the past several years, including street-brawling groups such as Joey Gibson’s Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys, as well as more violent paramilitary organizations such as Atomwaffen Division and The Base, which recently began holding training exercises in the state’s northeastern corner.

There’s also a fair amount of crossover membership within these groups. A member of the Proud Boys from the Seattle neighborhood of Ballard, Sean-Michael Scott, was recently exposed by Puget Sound Anarchists as another participant in Atomwaffen exercises as well.

According to Winston, Cole liked to use the nom de plume Khimaere in his online exchanges with other Atomwaffen members. He is also a fan of neo-Nazi “black metal” music and was in a band called Opferblut, which means “sacrificial blood” in German; Cole apparently likes to mix Satanism with his fascist ideology.

Wyatt told the Times that the confiscation of Cole’s guns was part of an increased focus on the activities of white supremacist terrorists in the Pacific Northwest by regional law enforcement, noting that their threatening behavior and rhetoric posed a constitutional challenge that the use of “red flag” laws helps them overcome.

“What do you do when there’s a general threat versus one specific individual?” Wyatt observed.​

Seattle confiscates guns belonging to neo-Nazi Atomwaffen group leader​

on the basis of his violent rhetoric and organizing.

Wow....so he said things the government doesn't like and he belongs to a group who likes to train and exercise their 2nd amendment rights....holy shit...this is ridiculous

Is he a member of a neo-nazis group, and are they deemed a terrorist group by the government ?

 

[DOTR]

I've read nothing that even suggested that. I suspect you haven't either.

Here's a little more information on Cole and why the FBI was so concerned about what he's been up to:

SEATTLE — A notorious neo-Nazi whose antics have included organizing paramilitary exercises in the woods of western Washington state to prepare for a “race war” has discovered there are limits to organizing violent extremism. Using a so-called “red flag” law, Seattle Police have taken away all of his guns.

Kaleb J. Cole, the 24-year-old leader of the state’s chapter of the violent fascist group Atomwaffen Division (AWD), was ordered by the state’s civil courts to surrender his guns earlier this month, according to a report from Ali Winston of The Daily Beast. The order resulted from Seattle City Police filing an “Extreme Risk Protection” petition against Cole on the basis of his violent rhetoric and organizing.

Cole first came to national attention last year as one of the ringleaders of the neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, exposed in a deep Pro Publica profile of the organization already associated with several murders. A video portrayed him leading a shooting exercise in the woods near the town of Concrete, in the western Cascades Range. He is formerly from the border town of Blaine in Whatcom County, but reportedly moved to Snohomish County near Arlington after the profile was published.

According to Winston’s report, Cole surrendered several firearms, including a pistol and an AK-47 variant with a high-capacity drum magazine. He was photographed with the weapons while participating in an Atomwaffen exercise in Nevada in 2018.

FBI agents greeted Cole at O’Hare International Airport in Chicago last year, according to a report from Mike Baker of The New York Times, upon his return from a trip to Europe in which he apparently hooked up with a number of other far-right extremists. An inspection of photos on his cell phone found he had visited the Auschwitz concentration camp site in Poland with other neo-Nazis, and there were photos showing him and others with the Atomwaffen banner, giving the Nazi salute.

“This was an individual who had access to firearms and was preparing for a race war,” Kimberly Wyatt, a King County prosecutor, told the Times.

Washington’s “red flag” law allows law enforcement or civilians to obtain a court order to confiscate weapons when there is evidence that people are at high risk of harming themselves or others. A similar law in Oregon was recently used to confiscate the weapons of another right-wing extremist, Marine Sgt. Michael Kohfield, who had announced his plan to hunt down and murder antifascists in their homes.

Western Washington has been plagued with the presence of a number of far-right extremists and their organizations the past several years, including street-brawling groups such as Joey Gibson’s Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys, as well as more violent paramilitary organizations such as Atomwaffen Division and The Base, which recently began holding training exercises in the state’s northeastern corner.

There’s also a fair amount of crossover membership within these groups. A member of the Proud Boys from the Seattle neighborhood of Ballard, Sean-Michael Scott, was recently exposed by Puget Sound Anarchists as another participant in Atomwaffen exercises as well.

According to Winston, Cole liked to use the nom de plume Khimaere in his online exchanges with other Atomwaffen members. He is also a fan of neo-Nazi “black metal” music and was in a band called Opferblut, which means “sacrificial blood” in German; Cole apparently likes to mix Satanism with his fascist ideology.

Wyatt told the Times that the confiscation of Cole’s guns was part of an increased focus on the activities of white supremacist terrorists in the Pacific Northwest by regional law enforcement, noting that their threatening behavior and rhetoric posed a constitutional challenge that the use of “red flag” laws helps them overcome.

“What do you do when there’s a general threat versus one specific individual?” Wyatt observed.​

Seattle confiscates guns belonging to neo-Nazi Atomwaffen group leader​

on the basis of his violent rhetoric and organizing.

Wow....so he said things the government doesn't like and he belongs to a group who likes to train and exercise their 2nd amendment rights....holy shit...this is ridiculous

Citizen you have been deemed a threat and an Extreme Risk Protection Order issued. Your rights are hereby extinguished.