Politics Divides, the Gospel Unites

[P@triot]

The perfect post-Easter Monday article:

Politics Divides, the Gospel Unites - News - intervarsity.org

 

[P@triot]

So much of my experience has been that the left is anti-religion. They want God out of schools, out of government, out of society. If we could bring America back to God, I have no doubt we could bring the Democrat Party back to real liberals and away from the socialists/marxists/communists/fascists/statists who have hijacked it.

 

[Foxfyre]

So much of my experience has been that the left is anti-religion. They want God out of schools, out of government, out of society. If we could bring America back to God, I have no doubt we could bring the Democrat Party back to real liberals and away from the socialists/marxists/communists/fascists/statists who have hijacked it.

Well having spent a huge chunk of my adult life in a Christian denomination that has become increasingly liberal over the decades and currently is among the MOST liberal denominations in America--it permeates their sermons, their Sunday School materials, their larger missions, conventions, and outreach--you can't make a blanket statement that the Left, or even most of the Left, is anti-religion.

The most we can conclude based on empirical evidence is that most of those who want God out of schools, out of government, out of society are those who lean left. I say most because I know a few hard core conservatives who are just as anti-religion, but those are fairly rare.

 

[Mac1958]

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Rottweiler, having seen your posts and having dealt with you in the past, I have to ask:

Is this a recent conversion?

April fool's?

Seriously.

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[Foxfyre]

Did you read the article in the link posted in Post #2, Mac? I think we can take it seriously. At least I choose to.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Politics Divides, the Gospel Unites

....If you're lucky-enough to be born....

....White & Christian.

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[Mr. Shaman]

So much of my experience has been that the left is anti-religion.

No, just.....

....anti-STUPID.

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[Oldguy]

In a perfect world, Christianity (or even the more generic faith in God) would be uniting.

But, in our modern, imperfect world, too much of Christianity identifies themselves not so much as followers of the Lamb, but followers of the GOP agenda. Beginning in the 1970's with people like Jerry Falwelll and Pat Robertson, a deliberate movement was started to co-opt Christ into the Republican Party and adopt the party's platform as defacto evidence of true Christian "faith."

That this doctrine of devils has succeeded is admirably demonstrated by the OP's assertion that liberals (a political definition) can't possibly be Christian's. Very often, we even hear non-conforming (i.e. non-conservative) Christian's identified as enemies of Christ!

The Jesus Christ of the Evangelical movement is anything but uniting because the message supposedly coming from Him is intolerant, unforgiving, bigoted and selfish.

That's not the Jesus Christ of the Bible.

 

[auditor0007]

So much of my experience has been that the left is anti-religion. They want God out of schools, out of government, out of society. If we could bring America back to God, I have no doubt we could bring the Democrat Party back to real liberals and away from the socialists/marxists/communists/fascists/statists who have hijacked it.

Well having spent a huge chunk of my adult life in a Christian denomination that has become increasingly liberal over the decades and currently is among the MOST liberal denominations in America--it permeates their sermons, their Sunday School materials, their larger missions, conventions, and outreach--you can't make a blanket statement that the Left, or even most of the Left, is anti-religion.

The most we can conclude based on empirical evidence is that most of those who want God out of schools, out of government, out of society are those who lean left. I say most because I know a few hard core conservatives who are just as anti-religion, but those are fairly rare.

You guys just don't get it; it's not about getting God out of schools, it's about not forcing our view of God on anyone. When you talk about wanting God back in the schools, you are talking about your view of God. How about this? If you want God back in the schools so much, how about we bring Allah into our schools? They can teach the Koran and our kids can pray five times per day to Allah. Does that sound like what you want in our schools?

I didn't think so.

You do realize that any child can pray in school on their own, right? If parents choose to raise their children with religious indoctrination, that is fine and can all happen outside of school. Those children can then pray in school on their own if that is what they want to do. I just don't want the schools pushing Allah and Islam down my kid's throat on a daily basis.

 

[Foxfyre]

So much of my experience has been that the left is anti-religion. They want God out of schools, out of government, out of society. If we could bring America back to God, I have no doubt we could bring the Democrat Party back to real liberals and away from the socialists/marxists/communists/fascists/statists who have hijacked it.

Well having spent a huge chunk of my adult life in a Christian denomination that has become increasingly liberal over the decades and currently is among the MOST liberal denominations in America--it permeates their sermons, their Sunday School materials, their larger missions, conventions, and outreach--you can't make a blanket statement that the Left, or even most of the Left, is anti-religion.

The most we can conclude based on empirical evidence is that most of those who want God out of schools, out of government, out of society are those who lean left. I say most because I know a few hard core conservatives who are just as anti-religion, but those are fairly rare.

You guys just don't get it; it's not about getting God out of schools, it's about not forcing our view of God on anyone. When you talk about wanting God back in the schools, you are talking about your view of God. How about this? If you want God back in the schools so much, how about we bring Allah into our schools? They can teach the Koran and our kids can pray five times per day to Allah. Does that sound like what you want in our schools?

I didn't think so.

You do realize that any child can pray in school on their own, right? If parents choose to raise their children with religious indoctrination, that is fine and can all happen outside of school. Those children can then pray in school on their own if that is what they want to do. I just don't want the schools pushing Allah and Islam down my kid's throat on a daily basis.

Well let's review.

How many on the left want abortion as a legal right to be considered only in private? Who object to objections to abortion being promoted in the classroom?

How many on the left want gay marriage as a good thing to be considered only in private? Who would object to traditional marriage being promoted as the norm in the classroom?

How many on the left want sexuality and the use of condoms to be considered only in private? Who object to abstinance before marriage being promoted as the most effectve prevention for unwanted pregnancy and STDs?

How many on the left want the virtues of government benevolence in the New Deal to be considered only in private? Who object to promotion of the idea that government charity creates corruption and/or unhealthy dependency among the beneficiaries of the charity?

When you look at it from the perspective of secular humanistic concepts being the only acceptable topics to consider in public education, and don't care that making a child's God illegal to discuss or consider in that same environment is damaging to that child, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the problem.

 

[g5000]

The Gospels unite. That's why we have thousands of different factions of Christianity in America. Seems like we hear of one faction splitting off from another faction over some dogmatic issue quite frequently.

There are Catholics who believe all Protestants are going to hell. "Protestant" being anyone in Christendom who is not a Catholic.

And then there is the Westboro Baptist Church which is a beacon of love, patience, and tolerance...

Then you got the Klan and their holy burning crosses.

Let's not forget the Christian Identity movement.

Or The Troubles in Ireland.

Yep. I see a lot of unity, all right!

 

[Foxfyre]

The Gospels unite. That's why we have thousands of different factions of Christianity in America.

There are Catholics who believe all Protestants are going to hell.

And then there is the Westboro Baptist Church which is a beacon of love, patience, and tolerance...

Then you got the Klan and their holy burning crosses.

Let's not forget the Christian Identity movement.

Or The Troubles in Ireland.

Yep. I see a lot of unity, all right!

Depends on how you view unity. In the Coffee Shop for instance, we have a LOT of different religions represented ranging all the way from very fundamental fundamentalists to dedicated agnostics and hard core Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Jews, and Buddhists at least. Yet we can discuss almost any topic in there, including what we are doing in church, missions, and maintain a vigil/prayer list that even the Atheists participate in as it allows for good vibes along with prayer to whatever Deity. Religion, in its broadest concept, is not a divisive force in there and, in a way, has been a unifying force.

You take those very same people though, and introduce a political topic, or get into a free for all re theology, and I'm pretty sure it would be a very different story. Which is why politics and religious theology are taboo in the Coffee Shop.

But while religion has in no way been a stumbling block for us in forming an on line family of sorts--and there's room for many many more--it is not any kind of clique--politics seems to be much more likely to create enemies and on going adversaries. Politics seems to bring out the worst in many people who will insert politics even into intended congenial religious discussions.

Just an observation.

 

[bodecea]

The perfect post-Easter Monday article:

Politics Divides, the Gospel Unites - News - intervarsity.org

Which gospel? There are many.

 

[g5000]

The Gospels unite. That's why we have thousands of different factions of Christianity in America.

There are Catholics who believe all Protestants are going to hell.

And then there is the Westboro Baptist Church which is a beacon of love, patience, and tolerance...

Then you got the Klan and their holy burning crosses.

Let's not forget the Christian Identity movement.

Or The Troubles in Ireland.

Yep. I see a lot of unity, all right!

Depends on how you view unity. In the Coffee Shop for instance, we have a LOT of different religions represented ranging all the way from very fundamental fundamentalists to dedicated agnostics and hard core Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Jews, and Buddhists at least. Yet we can discuss almost any topic in there, including what we are doing in church, missions, and maintain a vigil/prayer list that even the Atheists participate in as it allows for good vibes along with prayer to whatever Deity. Religion, in its broadest concept, is not a divisive force in there and, in a way, has been a unifying force.

You take those very same people though, and introduce a political topic, or get into a free for all re theology, and I'm pretty sure it would be a very different story. Which is why politics and religious theology are taboo in the Coffee Shop.

But while religion has in no way been a stumbling block for us in forming an on line family of sorts--and there's room for many many more--it is not any kind of clique--politics seems to be much more likely to create enemies and on going adversaries. Politics seems to bring out the worst in many people who will insert politics even into intended congenial religious discussions.

Just an observation.

The point of my post was to demonstrate the logical fallacy behind the idea the Muslim religion contains magical unicorn properties which make its adherents more maniacal or contentious than Christians.

The OP is a bigoted, ignorant post. Vote Republican...unless you are a Muslim. We HATE Muslims!

 

[LoneLaugher]

Was abortion ever mentioned in the bible?

 

[g5000]

Was abortion ever mentioned in the bible?

Hitting a pregnant woman and the penalty for harming the unborn child is in there. I don't remember exactly where.

 

[g5000]

Exodus 21.

22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.


If someone hurts a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely, but the baby is not harmed, then the person who hurt the woman will pay a fine. But if the unborn baby dies, the person who killed the unborn child must be put to death.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The Gospels unite. That's why we have thousands of different factions of Christianity in America. Seems like we hear of one faction splitting off from another faction over some dogmatic issue quite frequently.

There are Catholics who believe all Protestants are going to hell. "Protestant" being anyone in Christendom who is not a Catholic.

And then there is the Westboro Baptist Church which is a beacon of love, patience, and tolerance...

Then you got the Klan and their holy burning crosses.

Let's not forget the Christian Identity movement.

Or The Troubles in Ireland.

Yep. I see a lot of unity, all right!

2.5 billion Christians - but the 33 members of the WestBoro Baptist church are the definition to you and other lefties....

And you wonder why we think y'all are dumb bigots.....

 

[Mac1958]

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I'm no expert, but wouldn't pro-lifers count abortion under "Thou Shalt Not Kill"?

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[LoneLaugher]

Exodus 21.

22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.


If someone hurts a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely, but the baby is not harmed, then the person who hurt the woman will pay a fine. But if the unborn baby dies, the person who killed the unborn child must be put to death.

Not quite abortion, is it?