[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[MikeK]

Re: this specious note: Communism sucks, but I want to piss rich people off.

The 91% tax rate didn't seriously diminish the incomes or the net worth of its designated tax bracket, which was the multi-millionaire class. Even at that rate of taxation the net worth and incomes of these people still substantially exceeded those of the average person.

In other words the 91% rate didn't make the rich poor. It simply made them a little less rich -- and it served to heal a badly damaged economy by effecting a productive redistribution of the Nation's wealth resource.

 

[PMZ]

Before we enacted this democrat form of communism, our national outlays were 70% military 30% discretionary & entitlement spending. Now it's 30% military 70% discretionary & entitlement spending. Before we caved to these socialist systems our debt to GDP ratio was one of the best in the world, now it's one of the worst in the world.

How much did it cost us? So far 17t and our National Identity. Hell we even elected losers like Bush and Obama for president, we are a laughing stock of a nation.

Republicans, I guess, are suprised at the baby boomer transition to retirement affecting SS and Medicare.

We've only had 60 years of advanced notice.

Nope, not surprised at all. The 17t debt has nothing to do with SS & Medicare. The debt is due to the over spending that is occurring in the discretionary spending.

The debt is due to Bush's holy wars, Bush's tax cuts, stimulation required to get out of the Great Recession, and the impact of the Great Recession on revenue.

No Bush, no debt.

In fact, if the popular vote had carried the day, and Gore/Lieberman were declared winners by SCOTUS, and they just continued Clintonomics, the CBO says we could have a multi trillion surplus now. Even Reagan's massive debt gone.

 

[Gadawg73]

Re: this specious note: Communism sucks, but I want to piss rich people off.

The 91% tax rate didn't seriously diminish the incomes or the net worth of its designated tax bracket, which was the multi-millionaire class. Even at that rate of taxation the net worth and income taxes of these people still substantially exceeded those of the average person.

In other words the 91% rate didn't make the rich poor. It simply made them a little less rich -- and it served to heal a badly damaged economy by effecting a productive redistribution of the Nation's wealth resource.

Very funny.
They ended that top rate of 91% as all that did was run investment dollars into non taxable income such as municipal bonds and the other tax free places in the 20,000 page which is now 70,000 page IRS code.
People with money pay little to no taxes on their income under the current code. Raise the tax to over 50% those people do not show any income that is taxable. They receive stock options, deferred payments, load up the SEP IRAs and regular IRA, max their HSA and the rest goes into tax free investments.
Most of which are in the bond market which is low return.
Add in the rest that goes overseas where as of now just the large corporations have over 20 trillion there now untaxable.
End the capital gains and corporate tax and that money comes home in 24 hours, all of it.
Imagine the boom with all that money being invested in this country.
But no, how dare someone make a profit and not be forced to have government plunder it from them. Not fair.
What is fair is everyone should have the same and all suffer.

 

[dcraelin]

like I said in an earlier post. Both left and right can agree to do away with tax-exempt bonds. They fund most of the idiotic wasteful projects at the local government level.

 

[PMZ]

like I said in an earlier post. Both left and right can agree to do away with tax-exempt bonds. They fund most of the idiotic wasteful projects at the local government level.

They allow communities to build assets more affordably. It's not up to you to judge what they need or not.

 

[PMZ]

Re: this specious note: Communism sucks, but I want to piss rich people off.

The 91% tax rate didn't seriously diminish the incomes or the net worth of its designated tax bracket, which was the multi-millionaire class. Even at that rate of taxation the net worth and income taxes of these people still substantially exceeded those of the average person.

In other words the 91% rate didn't make the rich poor. It simply made them a little less rich -- and it served to heal a badly damaged economy by effecting a productive redistribution of the Nation's wealth resource.

Very funny.
They ended that top rate of 91% as all that did was run investment dollars into non taxable income such as municipal bonds and the other tax free places in the 20,000 page which is now 70,000 page IRS code.
People with money pay little to no taxes on their income under the current code. Raise the tax to over 50% those people do not show any income that is taxable. They receive stock options, deferred payments, load up the SEP IRAs and regular IRA, max their HSA and the rest goes into tax free investments.
Most of which are in the bond market which is low return.
Add in the rest that goes overseas where as of now just the large corporations have over 20 trillion there now untaxable.
End the capital gains and corporate tax and that money comes home in 24 hours, all of it.
Imagine the boom with all that money being invested in this country.
But no, how dare someone make a profit and not be forced to have government plunder it from them. Not fair.
What is fair is everyone should have the same and all suffer.

I've seen the lives of migrant workers and the lives of the megawealthy. I agree that many of the megawealthy live miserable lives but that's their choice. Choice is freedom. Poverty enslaves.

20% of us have 85% of the wealth. They didn't earn it. Nobody earns billions.

 

[DiamondDave]

Re: this specious note: Communism sucks, but I want to piss rich people off.

The 91% tax rate didn't seriously diminish the incomes or the net worth of its designated tax bracket, which was the multi-millionaire class. Even at that rate of taxation the net worth and income taxes of these people still substantially exceeded those of the average person.

In other words the 91% rate didn't make the rich poor. It simply made them a little less rich -- and it served to heal a badly damaged economy by effecting a productive redistribution of the Nation's wealth resource.

Very funny.
They ended that top rate of 91% as all that did was run investment dollars into non taxable income such as municipal bonds and the other tax free places in the 20,000 page which is now 70,000 page IRS code.
People with money pay little to no taxes on their income under the current code. Raise the tax to over 50% those people do not show any income that is taxable. They receive stock options, deferred payments, load up the SEP IRAs and regular IRA, max their HSA and the rest goes into tax free investments.
Most of which are in the bond market which is low return.
Add in the rest that goes overseas where as of now just the large corporations have over 20 trillion there now untaxable.
End the capital gains and corporate tax and that money comes home in 24 hours, all of it.
Imagine the boom with all that money being invested in this country.
But no, how dare someone make a profit and not be forced to have government plunder it from them. Not fair.
What is fair is everyone should have the same and all suffer.

I've seen the lives of migrant workers and the lives of the megawealthy. I agree that many of the megawealthy live miserable lives but that's their choice. Choice is freedom. Poverty enslaves.

20% of us have 85% of the wealth. They didn't earn it. Nobody earns billions.

Just because you don't like how someone got it or the fact that you do not do with it as you think they should, does not give you the right to confiscate it differently, use government to redistribute it, or anything else

Fucking Marxist piece of shit

 

[Contumacious]

Re: this specious note: Communism sucks, but I want to piss rich people off.

The 91% tax rate didn't seriously diminish the incomes or the net worth of its designated tax bracket, which was the multi-millionaire class. Even at that rate of taxation the net worth and income taxes of these people still substantially exceeded those of the average person.

In other words the 91% rate didn't make the rich poor. It simply made them a little less rich -- and it served to heal a badly damaged economy by effecting a productive redistribution of the Nation's wealth resource.

Very funny.
They ended that top rate of 91% as all that did was run investment dollars into non taxable income such as municipal bonds and the other tax free places in the 20,000 page which is now 70,000 page IRS code.
People with money pay little to no taxes on their income under the current code. Raise the tax to over 50% those people do not show any income that is taxable. They receive stock options, deferred payments, load up the SEP IRAs and regular IRA, max their HSA and the rest goes into tax free investments.
Most of which are in the bond market which is low return.
Add in the rest that goes overseas where as of now just the large corporations have over 20 trillion there now untaxable.
End the capital gains and corporate tax and that money comes home in 24 hours, all of it.
Imagine the boom with all that money being invested in this country.
But no, how dare someone make a profit and not be forced to have government plunder it from them. Not fair.
What is fair is everyone should have the same and all suffer.

I've seen the lives of migrant workers and the lives of the megawealthy. I agree that many of the megawealthy live miserable lives but that's their choice. Choice is freedom. Poverty enslaves.

20% of us have 85% of the wealth. They didn't earn it. Nobody earns billions.

I have seen the lives of taxpayers who are working two jobs in order to pay for the welfare/warfare state.

I have seen taxpayers who can not retire or must postpone retirement into the mid 70's because they have to pay for the welfare/warfare state.

They are miserable.

.

 

[bripat9643]

Re: this specious note: Communism sucks, but I want to piss rich people off.

The 91% tax rate didn't seriously diminish the incomes or the net worth of its designated tax bracket, which was the multi-millionaire class. Even at that rate of taxation the net worth and income taxes of these people still substantially exceeded those of the average person.

In other words the 91% rate didn't make the rich poor. It simply made them a little less rich -- and it served to heal a badly damaged economy by effecting a productive redistribution of the Nation's wealth resource.

Very funny.
They ended that top rate of 91% as all that did was run investment dollars into non taxable income such as municipal bonds and the other tax free places in the 20,000 page which is now 70,000 page IRS code.
People with money pay little to no taxes on their income under the current code. Raise the tax to over 50% those people do not show any income that is taxable. They receive stock options, deferred payments, load up the SEP IRAs and regular IRA, max their HSA and the rest goes into tax free investments.
Most of which are in the bond market which is low return.
Add in the rest that goes overseas where as of now just the large corporations have over 20 trillion there now untaxable.
End the capital gains and corporate tax and that money comes home in 24 hours, all of it.
Imagine the boom with all that money being invested in this country.
But no, how dare someone make a profit and not be forced to have government plunder it from them. Not fair.
What is fair is everyone should have the same and all suffer.

I've seen the lives of migrant workers and the lives of the megawealthy. I agree that many of the megawealthy live miserable lives but that's their choice. Choice is freedom. Poverty enslaves.

20% of us have 85% of the wealth. They didn't earn it. Nobody earns billions.

Yes they did earn it according to the definition of earn, which means to obtain something of value through voluntary exchange. That stands against the way government obtains things of value which is through armed robbery.

Watching an ethical reprobate like you pontificating about whether people have "earned" what they have is the most hilarious thing I've seen posted in this forum in months.

 

[PMZ]

Very funny.
They ended that top rate of 91% as all that did was run investment dollars into non taxable income such as municipal bonds and the other tax free places in the 20,000 page which is now 70,000 page IRS code.
People with money pay little to no taxes on their income under the current code. Raise the tax to over 50% those people do not show any income that is taxable. They receive stock options, deferred payments, load up the SEP IRAs and regular IRA, max their HSA and the rest goes into tax free investments.
Most of which are in the bond market which is low return.
Add in the rest that goes overseas where as of now just the large corporations have over 20 trillion there now untaxable.
End the capital gains and corporate tax and that money comes home in 24 hours, all of it.
Imagine the boom with all that money being invested in this country.
But no, how dare someone make a profit and not be forced to have government plunder it from them. Not fair.
What is fair is everyone should have the same and all suffer.

I've seen the lives of migrant workers and the lives of the megawealthy. I agree that many of the megawealthy live miserable lives but that's their choice. Choice is freedom. Poverty enslaves.

20% of us have 85% of the wealth. They didn't earn it. Nobody earns billions.

I have seen the lives of taxpayers who are working two jobs in order to pay for the welfare/warfare state.

I have seen taxpayers who can not retire or must postpone retirement into the mid 70's because they have to pay for the welfare/warfare state.

They are miserable.

.

As long as we elect democrats, very little in taxes goes to welfare when business has everyone employed and nothing goes to warfare.

 

[bripat9643]

Adolf, your point that business owns labor, slavery, and has the right to endanger anybody and anyplace they want to, is in practice many places around the world. Experience it first hand. Go to Mexico City or Beijing and take a deep breath, and, when you stop coughing, move there if that's what you prefer.

That's not my point, retard.

The reason that manufacturing jobs left America is because you leftists imposed laws that virtually outlawed it

Own up to the fact that YOU sent the jobs to China.

You must be part of the anti-American drag us to the bottom of the heap movement.

I think that we ought to return to the days of capable business leaders who solve problems rather than create them.

Again fucktard - YOU and your fellow Communists are the reason that Manufacturing left this nation. And you continue your assault.

Adolf, you are spitting on the crowd again.

The point that you keep making OVER and over is that you are a loser. My point is that that's your choice but you don't have the choice of creating other losers.

Obama and his drones are the ones creating losers. They are multiplying like flies under his rule.

 

[bripat9643]

And once again... caught in your lies you resort to deflection, put your hands over your ears and yell FOX FOX FOX

What the hell is with you & Fox? Do you think their talks shows are news? Dude it's entertainment for conservatives. No different than the Colbert report for democrats on the comedy channel.

Fox is the delivery mechanism for Republican propaganda. People believe their innuendo. Without it the dixiecrats would be powerless and many more people would be holding the Republican Party accountable for their gross malfeasance.

It's a threat to our country greater than Communism ever was. Not because Communism was not equally dysfunctional but because it could never overcome the protection of democracy.

Why? They didn't have a propaganda tool like Fox.

You say the dumbest things I've ever heard. Fox is a threat greater than Communism, because democracy can't overcome free speech. ROFL omg ROFL tears ROFL...lol he he he he hah hah sigh...

He says that because he is a communist. If he became absolute dictator tomorrow I have no doubt that he would expropriate the property of the rich and nationalize all businesses.

 

[bripat9643]

Fox is the delivery mechanism for Republican propaganda. People believe their innuendo. Without it the dixiecrats would be powerless and many more people would be holding the Republican Party accountable for their gross malfeasance.

It's a threat to our country greater than Communism ever was. Not because Communism was not equally dysfunctional but because it could never overcome the protection of democracy.

Why? They didn't have a propaganda tool like Fox.

You say the dumbest things I've ever heard. Fox is a threat greater than Communism, because democracy can't overcome free speech. ROFL omg ROFL tears ROFL...lol he he he he hah hah sigh...

Look at just the financial cost to America from our flirtation with conservative government. TRILLIONS in debt.

How much did Communism here cost us?

The "cost" is purely on the spending side, and 90% of that is the result of Democrat programs.

 

[bripat9643]

Adolf, you are spitting on the crowd again.

Retard, you're desperate to distract from the fact that:

The reason that manufacturing jobs left America is because you leftists imposed laws that virtually outlawed it

Own up to the fact that YOU sent the jobs to China.

The point that you keep making OVER and over is that you are a loser. My point is that that's your choice but you don't have the choice of creating other losers.

You're not going to get paid Troll - you have gotten the shit kicked out of you and are exposed as the drooling fool that you are.

Crawl back to ThinkProgress or whatever hate site you slithered out of - you are crushed you little worm.

Watch the spit Adolf. Only your most ardent supports will tolerate this.

Here's a deal for you. Let's let the voters decide winners and losers because that's all that really counts.

You've done a good job of representing Nazis.

Let's see now who votes for that.

You want the voters to decide which businesses are winners and which are losers? I thought you claimed you aren't a communist.

 

[PMZ]

Very funny.
They ended that top rate of 91% as all that did was run investment dollars into non taxable income such as municipal bonds and the other tax free places in the 20,000 page which is now 70,000 page IRS code.
People with money pay little to no taxes on their income under the current code. Raise the tax to over 50% those people do not show any income that is taxable. They receive stock options, deferred payments, load up the SEP IRAs and regular IRA, max their HSA and the rest goes into tax free investments.
Most of which are in the bond market which is low return.
Add in the rest that goes overseas where as of now just the large corporations have over 20 trillion there now untaxable.
End the capital gains and corporate tax and that money comes home in 24 hours, all of it.
Imagine the boom with all that money being invested in this country.
But no, how dare someone make a profit and not be forced to have government plunder it from them. Not fair.
What is fair is everyone should have the same and all suffer.

I've seen the lives of migrant workers and the lives of the megawealthy. I agree that many of the megawealthy live miserable lives but that's their choice. Choice is freedom. Poverty enslaves.

20% of us have 85% of the wealth. They didn't earn it. Nobody earns billions.

Yes they did earn it according to the definition of earn, which means to obtain something of value through voluntary exchange. That stands against the way government obtains things of value which is through armed robbery.

Watching an ethical reprobate like you pontificating about whether people have "earned" what they have is the most hilarious thing I've seen posted in this forum in months.

I'm sure that nobody here is surprised at anything you don't understand. You seem to make a living not understanding stuff.

Capitalism is based on workers creating wealth through value adding skills. People making millions are not creating that much wealth. It's not possible.

Bill Gates is one of my heroes and happened to be in the right place at the right time. There are many people who could have done as well as he did if they had his interests and were in his place at that time.

It's much more a lottery than capitalism.

 

[PMZ]

Retard, you're desperate to distract from the fact that:

The reason that manufacturing jobs left America is because you leftists imposed laws that virtually outlawed it

Own up to the fact that YOU sent the jobs to China.



You're not going to get paid Troll - you have gotten the shit kicked out of you and are exposed as the drooling fool that you are.

Crawl back to ThinkProgress or whatever hate site you slithered out of - you are crushed you little worm.

Watch the spit Adolf. Only your most ardent supports will tolerate this.

Here's a deal for you. Let's let the voters decide winners and losers because that's all that really counts.

You've done a good job of representing Nazis.

Let's see now who votes for that.

You want the voters to decide which businesses are winners and which are losers? I thought you claimed you aren't a communist.

Do you have any idea that we hire and fire our government but have no choice at all who's in business?

If we did, the present ones would be lined up for firing.

 

[Uncensored2008]

As long as we elect democrats, very little in taxes goes to welfare when business has everyone employed and nothing goes to warfare.

Comrade Retard, isn't welfare at an all-time high?

Da, it is Comrade Retard - it most certainly is....

 

[RKMBrown]

I've seen the lives of migrant workers and the lives of the megawealthy. I agree that many of the megawealthy live miserable lives but that's their choice. Choice is freedom. Poverty enslaves.

20% of us have 85% of the wealth. They didn't earn it. Nobody earns billions.

Yes they did earn it according to the definition of earn, which means to obtain something of value through voluntary exchange. That stands against the way government obtains things of value which is through armed robbery.

Watching an ethical reprobate like you pontificating about whether people have "earned" what they have is the most hilarious thing I've seen posted in this forum in months.

I'm sure that nobody here is surprised at anything you don't understand. You seem to make a living not understanding stuff.

Capitalism is based on workers creating wealth through value adding skills. People making millions are not creating that much wealth. It's not possible.

Bill Gates is one of my heroes and happened to be in the right place at the right time. There are many people who could have done as well as he did if they had his interests and were in his place at that time.

It's much more a lottery than capitalism.

I told you before Gates got his money because he was granted a monopoly on the desktop operating system market. Then leveraged that monopoly into a government approved the office monopoly.

If government were to do it's job breaking up monopolies we'd have a lot more millionaires and a lot less billionaires. But that won't happen because both parties are owned by the billionaires.

 

[PMZ]

You say the dumbest things I've ever heard. Fox is a threat greater than Communism, because democracy can't overcome free speech. ROFL omg ROFL tears ROFL...lol he he he he hah hah sigh...

Look at just the financial cost to America from our flirtation with conservative government. TRILLIONS in debt.

How much did Communism here cost us?

The "cost" is purely on the spending side, and 90% of that is the result of Democrat programs.

One of your many delusions is that the only people not Communists are those addicted to Fox/Republican propaganda.

I'm sticking with the independent thinkers.

 

[bripat9643]

Watch the spit Adolf. Only your most ardent supports will tolerate this.

Here's a deal for you. Let's let the voters decide winners and losers because that's all that really counts.

You've done a good job of representing Nazis.

Let's see now who votes for that.

You want the voters to decide which businesses are winners and which are losers? I thought you claimed you aren't a communist.

Do you have any idea that we hire and fire our government but have no choice at all who's in business?

If we did, the present ones would be lined up for firing.

Are you admitting that you want government to decide who runs corporations? Really?