[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[bripat9643]

Look at just the financial cost to America from our flirtation with conservative government. TRILLIONS in debt.

How much did Communism here cost us?

The "cost" is purely on the spending side, and 90% of that is the result of Democrat programs.

One of your many delusions is that the only people not Communists are those addicted to Fox/Republican propaganda.

I'm sticking with the independent thinkers.

"Independent thinkers" is your euphemism meaning "communists."

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'm sure that nobody here is surprised at anything you don't understand. You seem to make a living not understanding stuff.

Capitalism is based on workers creating wealth through value adding skills. People making millions are not creating that much wealth. It's not possible.

No Comrade Retard, that is most certainly NOT what Capitalism is based on.

It's a shame you didn't finish 3rd grade.

Bill Gates is one of my heroes and happened to be in the right place at the right time.

ROFL

That's all, huh? It wasn't that Digital Research went on vacation and blew off IBM - it wasn't that Gates aggressively marketed an alternative, it was just luck, huh Comrade Retard?

You must think the truth matters - huh fuckwad?

There are many people who could have done as well as he did if they had his interests and were in his place at that time.

It's much more a lottery than capitalism.

ROFL

Even you aren't retarded enough to believe the stupid shit you post, Comrade Retard.

 

[bripat9643]

I've seen the lives of migrant workers and the lives of the megawealthy. I agree that many of the megawealthy live miserable lives but that's their choice. Choice is freedom. Poverty enslaves.

20% of us have 85% of the wealth. They didn't earn it. Nobody earns billions.

Yes they did earn it according to the definition of earn, which means to obtain something of value through voluntary exchange. That stands against the way government obtains things of value which is through armed robbery.

Watching an ethical reprobate like you pontificating about whether people have "earned" what they have is the most hilarious thing I've seen posted in this forum in months.

I'm sure that nobody here is surprised at anything you don't understand. You seem to make a living not understanding stuff.

Capitalism is based on workers creating wealth through value adding skills. People making millions are not creating that much wealth. It's not possible.

You could make the same claim about communism. Capitalism is based on the institution of private property and voluntary exchange - two things you have demonstrated an implacable hostility towards.

Bill Gates is one of my heroes and happened to be in the right place at the right time. There are many people who could have done as well as he did if they had his interests and were in his place at that time.

Wrong, Komrade, there are very few people who could have done what Bill Gates did. Of course, there are millions of envious mediocrities like you who like to think they could have done just as well.

It's much more a lottery than capitalism.

The lament of the loser.

If Microsoft had been run by the same people who are implementing Obamacare, it would have went bankrupt long before it ever published Windows or MS Office.

 

[PMZ]

I'm sure that nobody here is surprised at anything you don't understand. You seem to make a living not understanding stuff.

Capitalism is based on workers creating wealth through value adding skills. People making millions are not creating that much wealth. It's not possible.

No Comrade Retard, that is most certainly NOT what Capitalism is based on.

It's a shame you didn't finish 3rd grade.

Bill Gates is one of my heroes and happened to be in the right place at the right time.

ROFL

That's all, huh? It wasn't that Digital Research went on vacation and blew off IBM - it wasn't that Gates aggressively marketed an alternative, it was just luck, huh Comrade Retard?

You must think the truth matters - huh fuckwad?

There are many people who could have done as well as he did if they had his interests and were in his place at that time.

It's much more a lottery than capitalism.

ROFL

Even you aren't retarded enough to believe the stupid shit you post, Comrade Retard.

Adolf, as long as we have you representing the Nazis we never have to worry about them getting elected.

Thanks for being you.

 

[PMZ]

Yes they did earn it according to the definition of earn, which means to obtain something of value through voluntary exchange. That stands against the way government obtains things of value which is through armed robbery.

Watching an ethical reprobate like you pontificating about whether people have "earned" what they have is the most hilarious thing I've seen posted in this forum in months.

I'm sure that nobody here is surprised at anything you don't understand. You seem to make a living not understanding stuff.

Capitalism is based on workers creating wealth through value adding skills. People making millions are not creating that much wealth. It's not possible.

You could make the same claim about communism. Capitalism is based on the institution of private property and voluntary exchange - two things you have demonstrated an implacable hostility towards.

Bill Gates is one of my heroes and happened to be in the right place at the right time. There are many people who could have done as well as he did if they had his interests and were in his place at that time.

Wrong, Komrade, there are very few people who could have done what Bill Gates did. Of course, there are millions of envious mediocrities like you who like to think they could have done just as well.

It's much more a lottery than capitalism.

The lament of the loser.

If Microsoft had been run by the same people who are implementing Obamacare, it would have went bankrupt long before it ever published Windows or MS Office.

If by implementing Obamacare you men the imperfect website, that was all done by private business.

 

[bripat9643]

I'm sure that nobody here is surprised at anything you don't understand. You seem to make a living not understanding stuff.

Capitalism is based on workers creating wealth through value adding skills. People making millions are not creating that much wealth. It's not possible.

You could make the same claim about communism. Capitalism is based on the institution of private property and voluntary exchange - two things you have demonstrated an implacable hostility towards.



Wrong, Komrade, there are very few people who could have done what Bill Gates did. Of course, there are millions of envious mediocrities like you who like to think they could have done just as well.

It's much more a lottery than capitalism.

The lament of the loser.

If Microsoft had been run by the same people who are implementing Obamacare, it would have went bankrupt long before it ever published Windows or MS Office.

If by implementing Obamacare you men the imperfect website, that was all done by private business.

They implemented exactly what they were told to implement: a giant cluster fuck.

However, I wasn't referring to just the website. All of Obamacare is a giant clusterfuck. The website is just the place where it first became undeniable.

 

[Contumacious]

I'm sure that nobody here is surprised at anything you don't understand. You seem to make a living not understanding stuff.

Capitalism is based on workers creating wealth through value adding skills. People making millions are not creating that much wealth. It's not possible.

You could make the same claim about communism. Capitalism is based on the institution of private property and voluntary exchange - two things you have demonstrated an implacable hostility towards.



Wrong, Komrade, there are very few people who could have done what Bill Gates did. Of course, there are millions of envious mediocrities like you who like to think they could have done just as well.

It's much more a lottery than capitalism.

The lament of the loser.

If Microsoft had been run by the same people who are implementing Obamacare, it would have went bankrupt long before it ever published Windows or MS Office.

If by implementing Obamacare you men the imperfect website, that was all done by private business.

Mr Dingle Berry Sir:

How were those private businesses chosen?

Was it because they were the best or because the owner(s) have ties to the Obama administration?

.

 

[Contumacious]

Exec at HealthCare.gov contractor went to school with first lady, donated to Obama campaign

.

 

[PMZ]

You could make the same claim about communism. Capitalism is based on the institution of private property and voluntary exchange - two things you have demonstrated an implacable hostility towards.



Wrong, Komrade, there are very few people who could have done what Bill Gates did. Of course, there are millions of envious mediocrities like you who like to think they could have done just as well.



The lament of the loser.

If Microsoft had been run by the same people who are implementing Obamacare, it would have went bankrupt long before it ever published Windows or MS Office.

If by implementing Obamacare you men the imperfect website, that was all done by private business.

Mr Dingle Berry Sir:

How were those private businesses chosen?

Was it because they were the best or because the owner(s) have ties to the Obama administration?

.

The government generally operates under strict contracting guidelines.
Cost, quality, capability.

I assume this was not an exception.

I believe that most, but not all, of the website difficulties are Republicans continuing their war on good sense.

The real problems are to be expected and will be fixed soon.

 

[PMZ]

You could make the same claim about communism. Capitalism is based on the institution of private property and voluntary exchange - two things you have demonstrated an implacable hostility towards.



Wrong, Komrade, there are very few people who could have done what Bill Gates did. Of course, there are millions of envious mediocrities like you who like to think they could have done just as well.



The lament of the loser.

If Microsoft had been run by the same people who are implementing Obamacare, it would have went bankrupt long before it ever published Windows or MS Office.

If by implementing Obamacare you men the imperfect website, that was all done by private business.

They implemented exactly what they were told to implement: a giant cluster fuck.

However, I wasn't referring to just the website. All of Obamacare is a giant clusterfuck. The website is just the place where it first became undeniable.

I know many conservatives are upset by personal responsibility. People paying their own way.

And many conservative business people hate workers getting paid what they're worth. That’s why business avoids doing that.

Slaves are just so much more obedient.

 

[PMZ]

Obamacare is very simple.

Everyone is responsible for covering their own health care costs.

Those who business chooses to not pay a living wage to, for full time work, are subsidized by those who are paid a living wage.

 

[bripat9643]

Obamacare is very simple.

Everyone is responsible for covering their own health care costs.

Those who business chooses to not pay a living wage to, for full time work, are subsidized by those who are paid a living wage.

In other words, you don't believe everyone should be responsible for covering their own healthcare costs.

Almost everything you post is either a lie or a logical contradiction, Komrade.

 

[bripat9643]

If by implementing Obamacare you men the imperfect website, that was all done by private business.

They implemented exactly what they were told to implement: a giant cluster fuck.

However, I wasn't referring to just the website. All of Obamacare is a giant clusterfuck. The website is just the place where it first became undeniable.

I know many conservatives are upset by personal responsibility. People paying their own way.

What you really mean by "personal responsibility" is being responsible for whatever you and your ilk want to make us responsible for. You're right about that, I don't have the slightest interest in the responsibilities you and your fellow Komrades want to assign to me. The whole point of Obamacare is for some to pay the way for others. It's the opposite of "personal responsibility, as is all democrat social programs.

And many conservative business people hate workers getting paid what they're worth. That’s why business avoids doing that.

Slaves are just so much more obedient.

What you and the other turds hate is that workers get paid exactly what they're worth. Ina market economy, hat you earn is determined by the value that your fellow consumers place on what you produce. That's why you hate the free market so much. You know deep down what the value of what you produce is.

Businesses go to great lengths to determine the market wage to pay their workers. Failure to do so means either losing a lot of money or losing a lot of valuable skilled workers.

 

[bripat9643]

If by implementing Obamacare you men the imperfect website, that was all done by private business.

Mr Dingle Berry Sir:

How were those private businesses chosen?

Was it because they were the best or because the owner(s) have ties to the Obama administration?

.

The government generally operates under strict contracting guidelines.
Cost, quality, capability.

I assume this was not an exception.

I believe that most, but not all, of the website difficulties are Republicans continuing their war on good sense.

The real problems are to be expected and will be fixed soon.

How did Republicans have anything to do with this debacle? Everyone in the forum is dying to know.

 

[PMZ]

Mr Dingle Berry Sir:

How were those private businesses chosen?

Was it because they were the best or because the owner(s) have ties to the Obama administration?

.

The government generally operates under strict contracting guidelines.
Cost, quality, capability.

I assume this was not an exception.

I believe that most, but not all, of the website difficulties are Republicans continuing their war on good sense.

The real problems are to be expected and will be fixed soon.

How did Republicans have anything to do with this debacle? Everyone in the forum is dying to know.

They have been an unrelenting and and unprincipled enemy of this progress as part of their strategy to drag President Obama, Democrats, and the country down to below their performance under Bush.

Obamacare stands as tangible evidence of their failure under Bush, and their failure to recover their performance, and even their failure to support the country under Obama.

 

[PMZ]

Obamacare is very simple.

Everyone is responsible for covering their own health care costs.

Those who business chooses to not pay a living wage to, for full time work, are subsidized by those who are paid a living wage.

In other words, you don't believe everyone should be responsible for covering their own healthcare costs.

Almost everything you post is either a lie or a logical contradiction, Komrade.

This is exactly the opposite of what I said, Adolf.

Those that business is taking advantage of by not paying a living to are required and enabled to be responsible for their health care costs.

Without that enabling they only have the choice of not paying their health care bills.

We choose to not make business accountable for living wages. That choice puts the responsibility on us.

I know that responsibility sucks if you're you.

Tough shit.

 

[PMZ]

They implemented exactly what they were told to implement: a giant cluster fuck.

However, I wasn't referring to just the website. All of Obamacare is a giant clusterfuck. The website is just the place where it first became undeniable.

I know many conservatives are upset by personal responsibility. People paying their own way.

What you really mean by "personal responsibility" is being responsible for whatever you and your ilk want to make us responsible for. You're right about that, I don't have the slightest interest in the responsibilities you and your fellow Komrades want to assign to me. The whole point of Obamacare is for some to pay the way for others. It's the opposite of "personal responsibility, as is all democrat social programs.

And many conservative business people hate workers getting paid what they're worth. That’s why business avoids doing that.

Slaves are just so much more obedient.

What you and the other turds hate is that workers get paid exactly what they're worth. What you earn is determined by the value that your fellow consumers place on what you produce. That's why you hate the free market so much. You know deep down what the value of what you produce is.

Businesses go to great lengths to determine the market wage to pay their workers. Failure to do so means either losing a lot of money or losing a lot of valuable skilled workers.

Businesses do the research that you refer to, not to determine the value that workers add, but to find out how little others are getting away with paying workers, and how much to executives.

 

[bripat9643]

Obamacare is very simple.

Everyone is responsible for covering their own health care costs.

Those who business chooses to not pay a living wage to, for full time work, are subsidized by those who are paid a living wage.

In other words, you don't believe everyone should be responsible for covering their own healthcare costs.

Almost everything you post is either a lie or a logical contradiction, Komrade.

This is exactly the opposite of what I said, Adolf.

Those that business is taking advantage of by not paying a living to are required and enabled to be responsible for their health care costs.

Without that enabling they only have the choice of not paying their health care bills.

We choose to not make business accountable for living wages. That choice puts the responsibility on us.

I know that responsibility sucks if you're you.

Tough shit.

Your first error is in believing that business is responsible for paying a "living wage." I've never seen any drone, no matter how devoted or deluded, ever even attempt to support that contention. Your second error is your belief that business is responsible for your healthcare. Businesses are responsible only for what their owners agree to be responsible for. You cannot impose responsibilities on someone without their consent. All you can do is make them follow orders at gunpoint. The latter course of action is called the ethic of liberalism.

 

[bripat9643]

The government generally operates under strict contracting guidelines.
Cost, quality, capability.

I assume this was not an exception.

I believe that most, but not all, of the website difficulties are Republicans continuing their war on good sense.

The real problems are to be expected and will be fixed soon.

How did Republicans have anything to do with this debacle? Everyone in the forum is dying to know.

They have been an unrelenting and and unprincipled enemy of this progress as part of their strategy to drag President Obama, Democrats, and the country down to below their performance under Bush.

Obamacare stands as tangible evidence of their failure under Bush, and their failure to recover their performance, and even their failure to support the country under Obama.

True, Republicans do have an unrelenting hostility to Obama, Democrats and their socialist boondoggles, but that still doesn't explain how they are responsible for the failure of Obamacare. They have had absolutely no input into Obamacare. Claiming they are responsible is like claiming Poland was responsible for the defeat of Nazi Germany.

Please explain how anything any Republican did caused Obama's website to be a failure. So far all you've done is whine.

 

[PMZ]

In other words, you don't believe everyone should be responsible for covering their own healthcare costs.

Almost everything you post is either a lie or a logical contradiction, Komrade.

This is exactly the opposite of what I said, Adolf.

Those that business is taking advantage of by not paying a living to are required and enabled to be responsible for their health care costs.

Without that enabling they only have the choice of not paying their health care bills.

We choose to not make business accountable for living wages. That choice puts the responsibility on us.

I know that responsibility sucks if you're you.

Tough shit.

Your first error is in believing that business is responsible for paying a "living wage." I've never seen any drone, no matter how devoted or deluded, ever even attempt to support that contention. Your second error is your belief that business is responsible for your healthcare. Businesses are responsible only for what their owners agree to be responsible for. You cannot impose responsibilities on someone with their consent. All you can do is make them follow orders at gunpoint. The latter course of action is called the ethic of liberalism.

All laws make it harder for people to impose what's best for them on others. They encourage responsibility. Clearly potential criminals don't like that. They consider not being able to so impose, a restriction on their freedom. Which it is. They don't deserve to be free at the expense of others.

Business serves we the people. Not vice versa. Government serves we, the people. Not vice versa.

If certain businesses aren't of use to us, they deserve our disdain. They certainly don't deserve our business.

Such businesses need to be taught. Remember the Chick A Fil CEO?