Pregnant Women Lose Civil Rights

[Derideo_Te]

“I want to know why you can't be happy to be free to live your life as you choose. You want and need to take that freedom from everyone else and force everyone to live the way you do.”

Because as is common to most authoritarian conservatives they're afraid of diversity, dissent, and expressions of individual liberty. Most on the right feel the need to compel conformity to justify rightist dogma, where dissent undermines that dogma, which can't be tolerated.

Harry, the translator ring for this one

Steph....most of us on this forum understand what he is saying. You claim you want less government yet Republicans want "government" ruling over women's wombs.

No one is talking about taking away your all's right to kill your own offspring. But to come off saying it's a frikken Civil right even you know that is sick and stupid

Actually it is a civil right. Your right to privacy is part of the B0R. That civil right to privacy covers everything that happens between you and your doctor. Everything between you and your doctor includes abortions.

Now try explaining why your having an abortion is not a private matter between you and your doctor but your treatment for STD's is a private matter.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Perhaps you should educate yourself first before going any further.

Study Free Birth Control Slashes Abortion Rates TIME.com

Free vs cheap. Of course free gets used more. I wasn't arguing that, I was saying contraception was cheap and easy to get long before obamadon'tcare came along, no matter what Sandra Fluke tells you.

You didn't read the link, did you?

EFFECTIVE birth control reduces the incidence of abortions. Cheap isn't as effective.

Actually, the MOST effective method is the cheapest. It's also the LAST one most pro-aborts would consider.

Thank you for admitting that you didn't read the link and have disqualified yourself from this topic. Have a nice day.

Nice attempt to shut somebody up, but I've noticed that they never work. And what is the cheapest and most effective form of birth control?

The facts stated in the link, that you refuse to read, showed that IUD's were considerably more effective at birth control but since the people who needed IUD's the most couldn't afford them they used much cheaper condoms with a far greater failure rate.

Until you can refute those facts you have nothing to contribute.

 

[Derideo_Te]

I believe that there are a lot more long-term psychological and emotional consequences to abortion than the pro-aborts care to talk about.

 

[Derideo_Te]

They don't care the guilt and long term suffering a WOMAN can go through after they have one

 

[Derideo_Te]

What an ugly person you are.

Ironic!

 

[RKMBrown]

“I want to know why you can't be happy to be free to live your life as you choose. You want and need to take that freedom from everyone else and force everyone to live the way you do.”

Because as is common to most authoritarian conservatives they're afraid of diversity, dissent, and expressions of individual liberty. Most on the right feel the need to compel conformity to justify rightist dogma, where dissent undermines that dogma, which can't be tolerated.

Harry, the translator ring for this one

Steph....most of us on this forum understand what he is saying. You claim you want less government yet Republicans want "government" ruling over women's wombs.

No one is talking about taking away your all's right to kill your own offspring. But to come off saying it's a frikken Civil right even you know that is sick and stupid

Actually it is a civil right. Your right to privacy is part of the B0R. That civil right to privacy covers everything that happens between you and your doctor. Everything between you and your doctor includes abortions.

Now try explaining why your having an abortion is not a private matter between you and your doctor but your treatment for STD's is a private matter.

Gotta love it when libtards compare a child to an STD.

 

[RKMBrown]

What an ugly person you are.

Ironic!

Says the satan worshiper that likens babies to STDs.

 

[Valerie]

weird how so-called 'conservatives' petition the nanny state to keep the evil women folk in their - vag probe - place...




Half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion.[1]

89% occur within 12 weeks and 98.8% occur within the first 20 weeks...

Induced Abortion in the United States

 

[Valerie]

Since the Puritans believed that one could be godly without children and that life began when a mother felt her baby kick, their strict religious code had no need to outlaw abortion before quickening.

The Puritans brought their laws on abortion from merry old England, where the procedure was also legal until quickening.

Although the Puritans changed much of England’s legal system when they established their “city upon a hill,” they kept abortion as a part of Puritan family life, allowing women to choose when and if they would become mothers—whether for the first time or the fifth time.

Colonial women procured prequickening abortions mainly with the help of other women in their communities; skilled midwives knew which herbs could cause a woman to abort, and early American medical books even gave instructions for “suppressing the courses,” or inducing an abortion.

Scarlet Letters Getting the History of Abortion and Contraception Right Center for American Progress

"With increasing opposition to family planning from various conservative forces, it is clear that those of us who are committed to reproductive health must become more thoughtful and engaged advocates. This commitment to advocacy will involve us in many new partnerships. Just as we have moved from a family planning model to a reproductive health model we will need to frame reproductive health in increasingly larger areas -- taking into consideration poverty, women's rights, religious freedom and the environment -- and seeking to engage those who have made a commitment to those issues in our issues.


As part of that expansion of our understanding of reproductive rights and in response to the inroads conservatives opposed to reproductive health and rights have made, it is critical that we deepen our ethical framework and conceptualization of reproductive health. No issue has been more difficult or more a taboo within reproductive health than abortion. No issue is more ethically challenging, although I believe entirely morally and ethically defensible.

...

In the moral sphere, there is no right to abortion but there is a strong right to choose, and this includes the right to choose abortion. There is a right to autonomy, and the right to bodily integrity, and these are broad enough to include the right to abortion."

The Ethics of Prochoice Advocacy

 

[Darkwind]

When did dead people get rights? Other than the vote that is....

 

[Stephanie]

tsk tsk, but your all's WAR on women and their abortions is all WASHED up. go worry about you OWN ABORTIONS leave the rest of ALONE

snip:

The #WaronWomen is over—and we won
Democrats reap their condescension to women.
By Emily Zanotti – 11.7.14

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Republicans are jubilant after their electoral victories Tuesday night — but it might be that Democratic losses tell a more complete story than GOP gains.
While voters almost uniformly backed conservative candidates, they also supported ballot measures out of sync with the traditional Republican party platform. Sure, marijuana legalization — which passed in the nation’s capital and in Oregon — can be chalked up to a rise in libertarians (me included), lurking at the margins of the GOP like the outsiders we’ve been since high school. But voters also approved non-binding hikes in the minimum wage in four states and three major cities. That’s hardly a hardline conservative position. So what gives?
The easy answer is that Americans are, on the whole, idiots, who tune into elections at the last possible moment, when they simply can’t avoid it any longer. Hence the increase in television commercials the last two weeks, as the parties compete to see who can more effectively convince voters that the other guys are more likely to murder their grandmother, child, puppy, or cable television package — whichever they might find more important.
The hard answer is that Americans, though they might be the world’s most notorious audience for reality television and professional wrestling, don’t take kindly to being treated like they’re stupid.
Enter the War on Women, and its condescending notions of what female voters value. Across this great nation, Democrats entered the midterm arena eager to talk about one thing: how Republican control of Congress would lead to inevitable bans on chemical birth control, forced pregnancies, condom shortages, and mandatory uterus registration. Even now, noted experts on conservative ideology Sally Kohn and Lizz Winstead claim that the GOP’s gains have empowered Republicans to chain millions of women to stoves and fertility monitors — though most longtime supporters know the fractious Republican party could never accomplish anything so ambitious.
The fact is that women weren’t as enthusiastic as Democrats thought to hear about imaginary Republican Congressmen hell bent on their oppression. They showed up at the polls, instead, with other things on their mind: foreign policy, the economy, immigration, and Ebola. Handing out free birth control like candy might have worked when voters had nothing else to worry about, but after a summer of cable news meltdowns, women were more interested in how candidates proposed to handle bloodsucking terrorists and rare, foreign communicable diseases. As with many voters, in times of great trouble and limited trust in their fearless leaders, women shifted their focus to more pressing matters. And while they weren’t sure the Republicans weren’t going to make a mess of things once they were handed the baton, they certainly didn’t trust the Democratic Party. Dems simply missed the message.

ALL of it here:
http://spectator.org/articles/60903/waronwomen-over—and-we-won

 

[Valerie]

"go worry about you OWN ABORTIONS leave the rest of ALONE"


^ would certainly be nice if the GOP could do that...

 

[Valerie]

It would impose prison sentences of up to five years on doctors carrying out terminations in an estimated 1.5% of later abortion cases that fall between 20 weeks and the current 24-week limit.


Though the bill is likely to remain blocked by Reid for now, McConnell said his public call for a vote was intended to put senators on the spot on a controversial issue that Republicans claim is supported in opinion polling.


A similar bill was overwhelmingly passed by the Republican-controlled House of Representatives last June and would be a top priority for Senate Republicans if they succeed in gaining the six seats need to take charge of the upper chamber in November's midterm elections.

Republicans revive bill to criminalise abortions administered after 20 weeks World news The Guardian

 

[Valerie]

Wisconsin Democrat Tammy Baldwin, one of several women to talk against the bill on the Senate floor, dismissed its revival by Republican leaders as a “dangerous political game” and questioned the relevance of the Gosnell case, which was tried under existing criminal laws.

Democrat senator Richard Blumenthal added: “The fact of one incident of possible medical malpractice should not justify this sweeping abrogation of a woman's reproductive rights.”

 

[depotoo]

Not so with Obamacare...

“I want to know why you can't be happy to be free to live your life as you choose. You want and need to take that freedom from everyone else and force everyone to live the way you do.”

Because as is common to most authoritarian conservatives they're afraid of diversity, dissent, and expressions of individual liberty. Most on the right feel the need to compel conformity to justify rightist dogma, where dissent undermines that dogma, which can't be tolerated.

Harry, the translator ring for this one

Steph....most of us on this forum understand what he is saying. You claim you want less government yet Republicans want "government" ruling over women's wombs.

No one is talking about taking away your all's right to kill your own offspring. But to come off saying it's a frikken Civil right even you know that is sick and stupid

Actually it is a civil right. Your right to privacy is part of the B0R. That civil right to privacy covers everything that happens between you and your doctor. Everything between you and your doctor includes abortions.

Now try explaining why your having an abortion is not a private matter between you and your doctor but your treatment for STD's is a private matter.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Says the satan worshiper that likens babies to STDs.

Puerile!

 

[Derideo_Te]

Not so with Obamacare...

“I want to know why you can't be happy to be free to live your life as you choose. You want and need to take that freedom from everyone else and force everyone to live the way you do.”

Because as is common to most authoritarian conservatives they're afraid of diversity, dissent, and expressions of individual liberty. Most on the right feel the need to compel conformity to justify rightist dogma, where dissent undermines that dogma, which can't be tolerated.

Harry, the translator ring for this one

Steph....most of us on this forum understand what he is saying. You claim you want less government yet Republicans want "government" ruling over women's wombs.

No one is talking about taking away your all's right to kill your own offspring. But to come off saying it's a frikken Civil right even you know that is sick and stupid

Actually it is a civil right. Your right to privacy is part of the B0R. That civil right to privacy covers everything that happens between you and your doctor. Everything between you and your doctor includes abortions.

Now try explaining why your having an abortion is not a private matter between you and your doctor but your treatment for STD's is a private matter.

Meaningless gainsaying dismissed as irrelevant!

 

[depotoo]

The Baltimore Sun
MANSLAUGHTER TRIAL OF ARIZONA ABORTION DOCTOR
One case??

Wisconsin Democrat Tammy Baldwin, one of several women to talk against the bill on the Senate floor, dismissed its revival by Republican leaders as a “dangerous political game” and questioned the relevance of the Gosnell case, which was tried under existing criminal laws.

Democrat senator Richard Blumenthal added: “The fact of one incident of possible medical malpractice should not justify this sweeping abrogation of a woman's reproductive rights.”

 

[Derideo_Te]

The Baltimore Sun
MANSLAUGHTER TRIAL OF ARIZONA ABORTION DOCTOR
One case??

Wisconsin Democrat Tammy Baldwin, one of several women to talk against the bill on the Senate floor, dismissed its revival by Republican leaders as a “dangerous political game” and questioned the relevance of the Gosnell case, which was tried under existing criminal laws.

Democrat senator Richard Blumenthal added: “The fact of one incident of possible medical malpractice should not justify this sweeping abrogation of a woman's reproductive rights.”

13 years ago?

Two cases 13 years apart does not justify denying hundreds of millions of women their rights.

 

[Valerie]

Wisconsin Democrat Tammy Baldwin, one of several women to talk against the bill on the Senate floor, dismissed its revival by Republican leaders as a “dangerous political game” and questioned the relevance of the Gosnell case, which was tried under existing criminal laws.

Democrat senator Richard Blumenthal added: “The fact of one incident of possible medical malpractice should not justify this sweeping abrogation of a woman's reproductive rights.”

The Baltimore Sun
MANSLAUGHTER TRIAL OF ARIZONA ABORTION DOCTOR
One case??

that quote was in the context of that one case but the principle stands for any isolated incidents of malpractice...