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He went back and shook his hand so what's the problem? If Obama did the perfect Military salute every time you'd still hate him. I can think of many other reasons to dislike the man, saluting or not saluting isn't one of them.
Sidebar: When did this tradition start anyway?
That is a good question. I actually recall when it was expected that presidents not to return a salute, and now someone is giving Obama a hard time for not saluting. To be honest, I actually admire him more for coming back out and shaking his hand than I would if he had simply saluted out of reflex, it shows he was actually thinking about the corporal as a person, not a piece of furniture.
Did anyone actually read the OP? I DID NOT GIVE HIM A HARD TIME FOR NOT SALUTING!
Jimminy Christmas!
Immie
He went back and shook his hand so what's the problem? If Obama did the perfect Military salute every time you'd still hate him. I can think of many other reasons to dislike the man, saluting or not saluting isn't one of them.
Sidebar: When did this tradition start anyway?
That is a good question. I actually recall when it was expected that presidents not to return a salute, and now someone is giving Obama a hard time for not saluting. To be honest, I actually admire him more for coming back out and shaking his hand than I would if he had simply saluted out of reflex, it shows he was actually thinking about the corporal as a person, not a piece of furniture.
Strange, I only know of one that stopped his speech and demanded that a Marine be sent over with an umbrella...
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Obama breaches Marine umbrella protocol | The Daily Caller
The commander in chief of the American armed forces today forced a violation of Marine Corps regulations, so he wouldnt get wet.
According to Marine Corps regulation MCO P1020.34F of the Marine Corps Uniform Regulations chapter 3, a male Marine is not allowed to carry an umbrella while in uniform. There is no provision in the Marine Corps uniform regulation guidelines that allows a male Marine to carry an umbrella.
Nevertheless, during a press conference under a light drizzle with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan this morning, President Obama allowed the First Head to be protected from the elements by an umbrella held by a male Marine corporal.
The relevant portion of the regulation reads, 3035. UMBRELLAS (Female Marines). Female Marines may carry an all-black, plain standard or collapsible umbrella at their option during inclement weather with the service and dress uniforms. It will be carried in the left hand so that the hand salute can be properly rendered. Umbrellas may not be used/carried in formation nor will they be carried with the utility uniform.
Items not expressly delineated as authorized components of the Marine Corps uniform are prohibited. Male Marines are informed never to carry an umbrella from the earliest phases of training.
Not even the President of the United States can request a Marine to carry an umbrella without the express consent of the Commandant of the Marine Corps, according to the Marine Corps Manual.
Watch the video and let's see the partisans come out of the woodwork.
Obama forgets to salute while boarding Marine One - CBS News Video
Now, my comment on this.
The salute is a sign of respect. The President should have returned the respect that was paid to him by the marine. However, I don't believe this was an intended slight against the marine. It certainly appeared to me that the President had something on his mind as he entered Marine One and then realized what had happened and returned apparently to apologize to the Marine.
Can't blame the man for being pre-occupied.
Immie
PS sorry if a thread has already been started on this. I did a search but did not come up with anything.
Presidents are not in uniform, so they are not required to salute. I remember Reagan/Bush getting some flack for saluting, but the general consensus was that the president can do what he wants, and that a salute was nothing more than a sign of respect.
As The Commander-in-Chief of the United States, it has always been customary for the president to return salutes.
Strange, I only know of one that stopped his speech and demanded that a Marine be sent over with an umbrella...
link
Link to what? That Obama stopped his speech and called for the Marines to sent over with umbrellas?
That is a good question. I actually recall when it was expected that presidents not to return a salute, and now someone is giving Obama a hard time for not saluting. To be honest, I actually admire him more for coming back out and shaking his hand than I would if he had simply saluted out of reflex, it shows he was actually thinking about the corporal as a person, not a piece of furniture.
Did anyone actually read the OP? I DID NOT GIVE HIM A HARD TIME FOR NOT SALUTING!
Jimminy Christmas!
Immie
The someone was not you Immie, it was the second person to post in the thread.
Among others.
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Link to what? That Obama stopped his speech and called for the Marines to sent over with umbrellas?
I didn't see any demanding going on there. He asked for a couple of Marines to cover himself and the Prime Minister. And it took them about ten seconds to get to the podium; so, apparently they were right there standing by. Is that a problem? Really? You have an issue with that? Get a fucking life, pal.
That is an innovation that was begun by Ronald Reagan. Dwight Eisenhower, a real general, knew that the salute is for the uniform, and as president he was not wearing one. An exchange of salutes was out of order.
Reagan's decision raised eyebrows at the time....
John Kline, then Reagan's military aide and now a Minnesota congressman, advised him that it went against military protocol for presidents to return salutes.
Kline said in a 2004 op-ed piece in The Hill that Reagan ultimately took up the issue with Gen. Robert Barrow, then commandant of the Marine Corps.
Barrow told Reagan that as commander in chief of the armed forces, he was entitled to offer a salute -- or any sign of respect he wished -- to anyone he wished, Kline wrote....
He went back and shook his hand so what's the problem? If Obama did the perfect Military salute every time you'd still hate him. I can think of many other reasons to dislike the man, saluting or not saluting isn't one of them.
Sidebar: When did this tradition start anyway?
Link to what? That Obama stopped his speech and called for the Marines to sent over with umbrellas?
I didn't see any demanding going on there. He asked for a couple of Marines to cover himself and the Prime Minister. And it took them about ten seconds to get to the podium; so, apparently they were right there standing by. Is that a problem? Really? You have an issue with that? Get a fucking life, pal.
You know that when the President "requests" something of the Military, it is considered an order, right?
Just as my son knows that if I "ask"' him to clean his room, mow the lawn, be home at a certain time that I expect it to happen. Just because I "asked" that doesn't give him the option of saying no or not doing it.
He went back and shook his hand so what's the problem? If Obama did the perfect Military salute every time you'd still hate him. I can think of many other reasons to dislike the man, saluting or not saluting isn't one of them.
Sidebar: When did this tradition start anyway?
What do you think is the problem? The tradition of the salute can be traced as far back as the Roman Empire. If by logic a salute is a sign of respect; a handshake just doesn't cut it, now does it? Our soldiers deserve to know if their Commander in Chief is on their side or not.
Even the smallest things he doesn't do shows how little regard he has for the bigger things. When you shake a man's hand, you're not looking in his eyes. When you salute a man, you can see into his very soul.
He went back and shook his hand so what's the problem? If Obama did the perfect Military salute every time you'd still hate him. I can think of many other reasons to dislike the man, saluting or not saluting isn't one of them.
Sidebar: When did this tradition start anyway?
What do you think is the problem? The tradition of the salute can be traced as far back as the Roman Empire. If by logic a salute is a sign of respect; a handshake just doesn't cut it, now does it? Our soldiers deserve to know if their Commander in Chief is on their side or not.
Even the smallest things he doesn't do shows how little regard he has for the bigger things. When you shake a man's hand, you're not looking in his eyes. When you salute a man, you can see into his very soul.
Has anyone told you lately what a worthless RW nutbag hack you are?
Because you are.
Well it looks like the salute thing isn't going anyplace, so what now? How about the birth certificate thing but this time with a little more pizzass; maybe get Sheriff Joe or Trump to add a few words, and in the background a few dancing girls? Gotta be something.
Maybe they can catch a snapshot of Obama picking his nose. Oh the outrage!!!!
