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It's been legal for 5 decades.
STDs, abortion rates, teen pregnancy, illegitimate births and crime have all increased.
What has been *solved* so far?
Correlation fallacy. And once again, the abortion rate has not increased. You really must stop repeating your lie. The abortion rate has decreased by 30 percent from its peak in 1981.
There are much greater factors behind the increase in illegitimacy than Roe v Wade.
Since you are prone to making stuff up, I would have to see your stats for STDs and crime. I cannot take anything you say at face value.
Yes, the abortion rate HAS increased, liar. Don't confuse me with one of your retarded friends, I don't argue a topic unless I have the information.
Do you see the number in 1965....and do you see the rate in 2010? So now, please, again..say "the abortion rate has not increased" you piece of foul dog shit liar.
United States abortion rates, 1960-2008
Yes, the abortion rate HAS increased, liar. Don't confuse me with one of your retarded friends, I don't argue a topic unless I have the information.
abortions--known or estimated legal abortions occurring in the U.S.
Yes, the abortion rate HAS increased, liar. Don't confuse me with one of your retarded friends, I don't argue a topic unless I have the information.
Your graph only depicts legal abortions.
From your link:
abortions--known or estimated legal abortions occurring in the U.S.
The combined number of legal and illegal abortions in 1965 approached the number of abortions we have today. I proved that to you at least twice in past topics.
Damned straight you have the information, because I gave it you. Now you are cherry picking data.
Nice try.
And since 1981, the abortion rate has been declining significantly. Your own chart shows that. So please explain the declining rate of abortions and the fact illegitimacy has been climbing during the same period.
You clearly have a correlation fallacy.
It perhaps is not generally appreciated that the restrictive criminal abortion laws in effect in a majority of States today are of relatively recent vintage. Those laws, generally proscribing abortion or its attempt at any time during pregnancy except when necessary to preserve the pregnant woman's life, are not of ancient or even of common law origin. Instead, they derive from statutory changes effected, for the most part, in the latter half of the 19th century.
It is undisputed that, at common law, abortion performed before "quickening" -- the first recognizable movement of the fetus in utero, appearing usually from the 16th to the 18th week of pregnancy [n20] -- was not an indictable offense. [n21] The absence [p133] of a common law crime for pre-quickening abortion appears to have developed from a confluence of earlier philosophical, theological, and civil and canon law concepts of when life begins. These disciplines variously approached the question in terms of the point at which the embryo or fetus became "formed" or recognizably human, or in terms of when a "person" came into being, that is, infused with a "soul" or "animated."
The American law. In this country, the law in effect in all but a few States until mid-19th century was the preexisting English common law. Connecticut, the first State to enact abortion legislation, adopted in 1821 that part of Lord Ellenborough's Act that related to a woman "quick with child." [n29] The death penalty was not imposed. Abortion before quickening was made a crime in that State only in 1860. [n30] In 1828, New York enacted legislation [n31] that, in two respects, was to serve as a model for early anti-abortion statutes. First, while barring destruction of an unquickened fetus as well as a quick fetus, it made the former only a misdemeanor, but the latter second-degree manslaughter. Second, it incorporated a concept of therapeutic abortion by providing that an abortion was excused if it
shall have been necessary to preserve the life of such mother, or shall have been advised by two physicians to be necessary for such purpose.
By 1840, when Texas had received the common law, [n32] only eight American States [p139] had statutes dealing with abortion. [n33] It was not until after the War Between the States that legislation began generally to replace the common law. Most of these initial statutes dealt severely with abortion after quickening, but were lenient with it before quickening.
Yes, the abortion rate HAS increased, liar. Don't confuse me with one of your retarded friends, I don't argue a topic unless I have the information.
Your graph only depicts legal abortions.
From your link:
abortions--known or estimated legal abortions occurring in the U.S.
The combined number of legal and illegal abortions in 1965 approached the number of abortions we have today. I proved that to you at least twice in past topics.
Damned straight you have the information, because I gave it you. Now you are cherry picking data.
Nice try.
And since 1981, the abortion rate has been declining significantly. Your own chart shows that. So please explain the declining rate of abortions and the fact illegitimacy has been climbing during the same period.
You clearly have a correlation fallacy.
How have we decriminalized rape? Do I think that the US laws regarding rapists and pedophiles are too relaxed? Yeah. I'll give you that culture has encouraged promiscuity, but that's no reason not to be responsible. If you want to have sex do it safely. If your idiotic school and/or parents didn't teach you that, then raise issue with them. And encouragement of no fault divorce? Encouraged by the exact same people who discourage abortion.... So...
The penal code was drastically changed, and Kinsey was the primary source cited when it was done. Kinsey is the reason rapists and child molesters get ridiculously light sentences, when they used to face the death penalty in many states, and life in prison in the rest.
Prove it
Show where and when the penal code was changed. Also show where rapists were given the death penalty
Meanwhile, here on earth....
Murder is still murder.
and stupid is still you
Meanwhile, here are the numbers we have...
And everyone agrees...the CDC, Guttmacher, Johnston, that the abortion numbers are LOW because planned parenthood tweaks the stats.
% of births+abortions 1965: %0.01
% of births+abortions 2008: %22.2
I quote liewinger:
"And once again, the abortion rate has not increased. You really must stop repeating your lie."
So, liar, is 22.2 percent an increase or decrease from 0.01 percent?
Meanwhile, here are the numbers we have...
And everyone agrees...the CDC, Guttmacher, Johnston, that the abortion numbers are LOW because planned parenthood tweaks the stats.
% of births+abortions 1965: %0.01
% of births+abortions 2008: %22.2
I quote liewinger:
"And once again, the abortion rate has not increased. You really must stop repeating your lie."
So, liar, is 22.2 percent an increase or decrease from 0.01 percent?
Are you quoting me?
By the way, where is your link?
Illegal abortions were taking place before 1973, yes: many, many abortions.
To deny it reveals the soul of one who loves and lives a lie,
Prove it.
You can't?
Liar.
Which level of proof do you wish?
And will you accept it?
You already have misquoted RW in another thread, which may get you another vacation.
Simply be honest.
Try,
Illegal abortions were taking place before 1973, yes: many, many abortions.
To deny it reveals the soul of one who loves and lives a lie,
Prove it.
You can't?
Liar.
Women have been aborting unwanted pregnancies since the beginning of time. You simply cannot be naïve enough to believe otherwise.
