Pulling Back the Curtain on the Ugly GOP

[Maryland Patriot]

Hillary is not kicking my ass. You must have me mistaken for someone else.
Wasnt big on Sarah Palin either.

If you are a right winger, she is and has been kicking your ass. You've been out to crush her for decades, and you've only demonized her in your own ranks.

I think that history will show that she is an anti American white trash whore.

In your case it takes one to know one.

certainly you can respond with something of more substance than that.

Of course, but why waste time with an idot?

correct you are, I should not have responded.

 

[HenryBHough]

Since most Americans are pissed at BOTH parties Trump's points are coming from his being an equal-opportunity agitator.

 

[Nosmo King]

Fact Check: The Washington Post on Donald Trump and John McCain

• by sattkisson
• on July 18, 2015
• in Fact Check, News
• 92 Comments

[Above image: Republican Presidential Candidate Donald Trump at the 2015 Conservative Political Action Conference]

Donald Trump appears to have gotten under the skin of not only Democrats, but also fellow Republicans and the news media. Has that subjected Trump, a Republican presidential candidate, to unfair and/or inaccurate reporting?

An article in the Washington Post today is headlined, “Trump slams McCain for being ‘captured’ in Vietnam.”

The article’s lead sentence states, “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump slammed Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam War veteran, on Saturday by saying McCain was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Is this report accurate?

In fact, Trump’s actual quote is the opposite of what is presented in the Post’s first sentence.

Discussion

1. The Post did not provide context at the outset disclosing that McCain and Trump have been feuding, with McCain characterizing some Trump supporters as “crazies” and Trump stating that McCain graduated last in his class in Annapolis. The charged rhetoric continued at the conservative Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa this weekend.

2. When a panelist characterized McCain as a “war hero,” the Post is accurate in reporting that Trump initially said McCain is “not a war hero.” But then, Trump immediately modified his statement saying– four times– that McCain is a war hero:

“He is a war hero.”

“He’s a war hero because he was captured.”

“He’s a war hero, because he was captured.”

“I believe, perhaps, he’s a war hero. But right now, he’s said some very bad things about a lot of people.”

3. Did Trump say McCain is not a war hero because he was captured? No, not in the exchanges represented in the Post.

4. Is the Post’s characterization an accident? It would appear not, because it is repeated in the Post’s caption of the video clip, which also states: “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam war veteran, was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Further, in the Post’s second sentence, Trump is quoted as stating of McCain, “He’s not a war hero…He’s a war hero because he was captured,” but the article selectively left out the phrase Trump had uttered in between: “He is a war hero.”

Trump is not magnanimous. My Father-in-Law was held in a German POW camp for two years.

Trump would deny his heroism. But what does Donald Trump know of heroism? His draft deferment assured the world that the label "HERO" would never apply to him.

 

[BULLDOG]

Since most Americans are pissed at BOTH parties Trump's points are coming from his being an equal-opportunity agitator.

Don't be ridiculous. while democrats disagree with virtually everything he says, we encourage him to keep saying it. Go TRump!!!

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Fact Check: The Washington Post on Donald Trump and John McCain

• by sattkisson
• on July 18, 2015
• in Fact Check, News
• 92 Comments

[Above image: Republican Presidential Candidate Donald Trump at the 2015 Conservative Political Action Conference]

Donald Trump appears to have gotten under the skin of not only Democrats, but also fellow Republicans and the news media. Has that subjected Trump, a Republican presidential candidate, to unfair and/or inaccurate reporting?

An article in the Washington Post today is headlined, “Trump slams McCain for being ‘captured’ in Vietnam.”

The article’s lead sentence states, “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump slammed Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam War veteran, on Saturday by saying McCain was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Is this report accurate?

In fact, Trump’s actual quote is the opposite of what is presented in the Post’s first sentence.

Discussion

1. The Post did not provide context at the outset disclosing that McCain and Trump have been feuding, with McCain characterizing some Trump supporters as “crazies” and Trump stating that McCain graduated last in his class in Annapolis. The charged rhetoric continued at the conservative Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa this weekend.

2. When a panelist characterized McCain as a “war hero,” the Post is accurate in reporting that Trump initially said McCain is “not a war hero.” But then, Trump immediately modified his statement saying– four times– that McCain is a war hero:

“He is a war hero.”

“He’s a war hero because he was captured.”

“He’s a war hero, because he was captured.”

“I believe, perhaps, he’s a war hero. But right now, he’s said some very bad things about a lot of people.”

3. Did Trump say McCain is not a war hero because he was captured? No, not in the exchanges represented in the Post.

4. Is the Post’s characterization an accident? It would appear not, because it is repeated in the Post’s caption of the video clip, which also states: “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam war veteran, was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Further, in the Post’s second sentence, Trump is quoted as stating of McCain, “He’s not a war hero…He’s a war hero because he was captured,” but the article selectively left out the phrase Trump had uttered in between: “He is a war hero.”

Trump is not magnanimous. My Father-in-Law was held in a German POW camp for two years.

Trump would deny his heroism. But what does Donald Trump know of heroism? His draft deferment assured the world that the label "HERO" would never apply to him.

Did you feel the same way about Bill Clinton? He was even more underhanded in getting out of serving. How about hillary, what do you think of someone that actually agrees with and supports this type of thing to the point of marrying the draft dodger

 

[TooTall]

lol
oh boy. Have you looked at the progressive party you BELONG for the last seven years. ? that isn't just ugly it's been downright nasty. and you claim it's the Gop

oh and did you all see how you treated a woman running for Vice President of this country?

now sit down

this is all your party ever runs on. dirt, smears and dirty lowdown nasty politics

You've got to be kidding. You hang your hat on that absurdity? Sarah Palin was and still is an uninformed person who cannot string words together to form a coherent sentence. No sane person wanted that person a heartbeat away from the presidency. We already had the dimwit Dan Quale and he was a genius in comparison to Sarah Palin. And you know it. It's not a smear if it's true.

Yet she was elected as Governor of Alaska. No sane person believes the smear that you just posted.

 

[Care4all]

John McCain will go down in the history books as one of the better US Senators of his time, a war hero, and an effective legislator. Donald Trump will likely be rich until the day he passes from this earth into whatever oblivion in the afterlife awaits him and those that bother to remember him will remember his failed presidential bid and what an ass he made of himself for a brief time in the Summer of 2015. Neither man will suffer any long term effects of Mr. Trump's moronic statements. The true damage of what Donald Trump said about war hero John McCain was to further reveal the true thoughts of the GOP rank and file.

This doesn't fade so easily. If John McCain were not such a distinguished Republican, one may easily chalk it up to his being "yesterday's news" and that failed candidates in the Genral usually enjoy no second act (see Mitt Romney and Al Gore for reference). The hard-right doesn't like McCain being a member of that "gang of eight" who sought to rise above politics and negotiate an immigration bill.

For a clue of why it is more than that, you can look at that bill and see one of it's other authors, Marco Rubio, suffers little in the way of hard right angst. So what is it about this episode that does so much damage? For the answer, consider Rubio. Rubio is a candidate for President whereas McCain is not this time around. Rubio still has the chance to thwart a presidential bid by Hillary Clinton so he cannot be cast asunder so quickly as McCain has been. And there inlies the problem. It isn't that what Trump says has any basis in reality. Any grown-up knows this is the case. Anyone who saw combat has taken heroic stances for their nation. Captured combat soldiers hold a special place of reverence for Americans of all political stripes. What Mr. Trump did was say something to get more TV cameras pointed in his direction. Ordinarily, such a brazen publicity grab would be greeted with cynnacism and ridicule. However, Trump still has the ability to cause the President some discomfort and peril for Clinton--the presumptive Democratic nominee. So, for the same reasons as Rubio, the rank and file suspend the counsel of the better angels of their nature and decide to applaud Trump because he can do some damage to the other side; maybe.

Republicans cannot pretend to just be "letting the process" play out when Donald Trump is topping polls. Nor can they deny they feel this way about McCain and Mexicans ("Likewise, tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world.").

Hillary Clinton has a likability problem that she has worked hard to correct. She is not running a campaign based on enevitability or a presumption of such. She has learned from her mistakes. Still, she will need the votes of independents to become the next President. Independents are looking and they are seeing a Party that seems more interested in stoking the fires of bigotry, anger and hatred than steering the ship of State to any greater future. Trump could care less. The cameras are pointed at him and that is all he is interested in.

Trump is going to be short-lived as a presidential candidate and his television career is over. I think you are right he will fade to obscurity now.

What he said about McCain is so over the top disgusting it strikes all Americans as such, as you also noted. Rather bizarre and very telling that John Kerry immediately came to McCain's defense but when Kerry was getting swiftboated McCain was silent.

Character reveals itself in the most trying moment. And lack thereof as well.

if memory serves me, McCain Cain DID defend Kerry when he was being swift boated by Jerome Corsi.....

 

[Kondor3]

lol
oh boy. Have you looked at the progressive party you BELONG for the last seven years. ? that isn't just ugly it's been downright nasty. and you claim it's the Gop

oh and did you all see how you treated a woman running for Vice President of this country?

now sit down

this is all your party ever runs on. dirt, smears and dirty lowdown nasty politics

What she said.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Fact Check: The Washington Post on Donald Trump and John McCain

• by sattkisson
• on July 18, 2015
• in Fact Check, News
• 92 Comments

[Above image: Republican Presidential Candidate Donald Trump at the 2015 Conservative Political Action Conference]

Donald Trump appears to have gotten under the skin of not only Democrats, but also fellow Republicans and the news media. Has that subjected Trump, a Republican presidential candidate, to unfair and/or inaccurate reporting?

An article in the Washington Post today is headlined, “Trump slams McCain for being ‘captured’ in Vietnam.”

The article’s lead sentence states, “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump slammed Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam War veteran, on Saturday by saying McCain was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Is this report accurate?

In fact, Trump’s actual quote is the opposite of what is presented in the Post’s first sentence.

Discussion

1. The Post did not provide context at the outset disclosing that McCain and Trump have been feuding, with McCain characterizing some Trump supporters as “crazies” and Trump stating that McCain graduated last in his class in Annapolis. The charged rhetoric continued at the conservative Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa this weekend.

2. When a panelist characterized McCain as a “war hero,” the Post is accurate in reporting that Trump initially said McCain is “not a war hero.” But then, Trump immediately modified his statement saying– four times– that McCain is a war hero:

“He is a war hero.”

“He’s a war hero because he was captured.”

“He’s a war hero, because he was captured.”

“I believe, perhaps, he’s a war hero. But right now, he’s said some very bad things about a lot of people.”

3. Did Trump say McCain is not a war hero because he was captured? No, not in the exchanges represented in the Post.

4. Is the Post’s characterization an accident? It would appear not, because it is repeated in the Post’s caption of the video clip, which also states: “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam war veteran, was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Further, in the Post’s second sentence, Trump is quoted as stating of McCain, “He’s not a war hero…He’s a war hero because he was captured,” but the article selectively left out the phrase Trump had uttered in between: “He is a war hero.”

Trump is not magnanimous. My Father-in-Law was held in a German POW camp for two years.

Trump would deny his heroism. But what does Donald Trump know of heroism? His draft deferment assured the world that the label "HERO" would never apply to him.

Still playing ignorant I see, wait you ain't playin ................

The adults have already discussed all POW's are not heros, to give them all medals would not be fair to those who were not captured.

Hero's are above and beyond the normal grunt. Getting captured certainly doesn't make the pay grade.

We've also discussed deferments and that those are there for intelligent people to use.

He had some good company in those dodgers, I posted a list in another thread.

You are just a butthurt, whiny ass bitch who can't except the fact that there are deferments for those who are rich and have social status.

 

[Nosmo King]

Fact Check: The Washington Post on Donald Trump and John McCain

• by sattkisson
• on July 18, 2015
• in Fact Check, News
• 92 Comments

[Above image: Republican Presidential Candidate Donald Trump at the 2015 Conservative Political Action Conference]

Donald Trump appears to have gotten under the skin of not only Democrats, but also fellow Republicans and the news media. Has that subjected Trump, a Republican presidential candidate, to unfair and/or inaccurate reporting?

An article in the Washington Post today is headlined, “Trump slams McCain for being ‘captured’ in Vietnam.”

The article’s lead sentence states, “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump slammed Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam War veteran, on Saturday by saying McCain was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Is this report accurate?

In fact, Trump’s actual quote is the opposite of what is presented in the Post’s first sentence.

Discussion

1. The Post did not provide context at the outset disclosing that McCain and Trump have been feuding, with McCain characterizing some Trump supporters as “crazies” and Trump stating that McCain graduated last in his class in Annapolis. The charged rhetoric continued at the conservative Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa this weekend.

2. When a panelist characterized McCain as a “war hero,” the Post is accurate in reporting that Trump initially said McCain is “not a war hero.” But then, Trump immediately modified his statement saying– four times– that McCain is a war hero:

“He is a war hero.”

“He’s a war hero because he was captured.”

“He’s a war hero, because he was captured.”

“I believe, perhaps, he’s a war hero. But right now, he’s said some very bad things about a lot of people.”

3. Did Trump say McCain is not a war hero because he was captured? No, not in the exchanges represented in the Post.

4. Is the Post’s characterization an accident? It would appear not, because it is repeated in the Post’s caption of the video clip, which also states: “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam war veteran, was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Further, in the Post’s second sentence, Trump is quoted as stating of McCain, “He’s not a war hero…He’s a war hero because he was captured,” but the article selectively left out the phrase Trump had uttered in between: “He is a war hero.”

Trump is not magnanimous. My Father-in-Law was held in a German POW camp for two years.

Trump would deny his heroism. But what does Donald Trump know of heroism? His draft deferment assured the world that the label "HERO" would never apply to him.

Did you feel the same way about Bill Clinton? He was even more underhanded in getting out of serving. How about hillary, what do you think of someone that actually agrees with and supports this type of thing to the point of marrying the draft dodger

I get it. The 'thinking' you Trump supporters are following is "Fuck the POWs! There's politics and smear campaigns afoot!"

Very noble.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Fact Check: The Washington Post on Donald Trump and John McCain

• by sattkisson
• on July 18, 2015
• in Fact Check, News
• 92 Comments

[Above image: Republican Presidential Candidate Donald Trump at the 2015 Conservative Political Action Conference]

Donald Trump appears to have gotten under the skin of not only Democrats, but also fellow Republicans and the news media. Has that subjected Trump, a Republican presidential candidate, to unfair and/or inaccurate reporting?

An article in the Washington Post today is headlined, “Trump slams McCain for being ‘captured’ in Vietnam.”

The article’s lead sentence states, “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump slammed Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam War veteran, on Saturday by saying McCain was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Is this report accurate?

In fact, Trump’s actual quote is the opposite of what is presented in the Post’s first sentence.

Discussion

1. The Post did not provide context at the outset disclosing that McCain and Trump have been feuding, with McCain characterizing some Trump supporters as “crazies” and Trump stating that McCain graduated last in his class in Annapolis. The charged rhetoric continued at the conservative Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa this weekend.

2. When a panelist characterized McCain as a “war hero,” the Post is accurate in reporting that Trump initially said McCain is “not a war hero.” But then, Trump immediately modified his statement saying– four times– that McCain is a war hero:

“He is a war hero.”

“He’s a war hero because he was captured.”

“He’s a war hero, because he was captured.”

“I believe, perhaps, he’s a war hero. But right now, he’s said some very bad things about a lot of people.”

3. Did Trump say McCain is not a war hero because he was captured? No, not in the exchanges represented in the Post.

4. Is the Post’s characterization an accident? It would appear not, because it is repeated in the Post’s caption of the video clip, which also states: “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam war veteran, was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Further, in the Post’s second sentence, Trump is quoted as stating of McCain, “He’s not a war hero…He’s a war hero because he was captured,” but the article selectively left out the phrase Trump had uttered in between: “He is a war hero.”

Trump is not magnanimous. My Father-in-Law was held in a German POW camp for two years.

Trump would deny his heroism. But what does Donald Trump know of heroism? His draft deferment assured the world that the label "HERO" would never apply to him.

Did you feel the same way about Bill Clinton? He was even more underhanded in getting out of serving. How about hillary, what do you think of someone that actually agrees with and supports this type of thing to the point of marrying the draft dodger

I get it. The 'thinking' you Trump supporters are following is "Fuck the POWs! There's politics and smear campaigns afoot!"

Very noble.

seemed pretty noble when the left was smearing him for it.
what changed.

 

[HenryBHough]

Given the mood of the public toward both major parties it seems less likely that a third party candidate is absolutelyu doomed to fail.

Sometimes it takes a heavy dose of anger to get folks off the couch and they're seeing plenty of reason to be royally pissed!

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Fact Check: The Washington Post on Donald Trump and John McCain

• by sattkisson
• on July 18, 2015
• in Fact Check, News
• 92 Comments

[Above image: Republican Presidential Candidate Donald Trump at the 2015 Conservative Political Action Conference]

Donald Trump appears to have gotten under the skin of not only Democrats, but also fellow Republicans and the news media. Has that subjected Trump, a Republican presidential candidate, to unfair and/or inaccurate reporting?

An article in the Washington Post today is headlined, “Trump slams McCain for being ‘captured’ in Vietnam.”

The article’s lead sentence states, “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump slammed Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam War veteran, on Saturday by saying McCain was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Is this report accurate?

In fact, Trump’s actual quote is the opposite of what is presented in the Post’s first sentence.

Discussion

1. The Post did not provide context at the outset disclosing that McCain and Trump have been feuding, with McCain characterizing some Trump supporters as “crazies” and Trump stating that McCain graduated last in his class in Annapolis. The charged rhetoric continued at the conservative Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa this weekend.

2. When a panelist characterized McCain as a “war hero,” the Post is accurate in reporting that Trump initially said McCain is “not a war hero.” But then, Trump immediately modified his statement saying– four times– that McCain is a war hero:

“He is a war hero.”

“He’s a war hero because he was captured.”

“He’s a war hero, because he was captured.”

“I believe, perhaps, he’s a war hero. But right now, he’s said some very bad things about a lot of people.”

3. Did Trump say McCain is not a war hero because he was captured? No, not in the exchanges represented in the Post.

4. Is the Post’s characterization an accident? It would appear not, because it is repeated in the Post’s caption of the video clip, which also states: “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam war veteran, was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Further, in the Post’s second sentence, Trump is quoted as stating of McCain, “He’s not a war hero…He’s a war hero because he was captured,” but the article selectively left out the phrase Trump had uttered in between: “He is a war hero.”

Trump is not magnanimous. My Father-in-Law was held in a German POW camp for two years.

Trump would deny his heroism. But what does Donald Trump know of heroism? His draft deferment assured the world that the label "HERO" would never apply to him.

Did you feel the same way about Bill Clinton? He was even more underhanded in getting out of serving. How about hillary, what do you think of someone that actually agrees with and supports this type of thing to the point of marrying the draft dodger

I get it. The 'thinking' you Trump supporters are following is "Fuck the POWs! There's politics and smear campaigns afoot!"

Very noble.

No, but you are very good at putting your fucked up little spin on things and them attributing then to us.

Grow up little dick sucker .......................

 

[Nosmo King]

Fact Check: The Washington Post on Donald Trump and John McCain

• by sattkisson
• on July 18, 2015
• in Fact Check, News
• 92 Comments

[Above image: Republican Presidential Candidate Donald Trump at the 2015 Conservative Political Action Conference]

Donald Trump appears to have gotten under the skin of not only Democrats, but also fellow Republicans and the news media. Has that subjected Trump, a Republican presidential candidate, to unfair and/or inaccurate reporting?

An article in the Washington Post today is headlined, “Trump slams McCain for being ‘captured’ in Vietnam.”

The article’s lead sentence states, “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump slammed Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam War veteran, on Saturday by saying McCain was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Is this report accurate?

In fact, Trump’s actual quote is the opposite of what is presented in the Post’s first sentence.

Discussion

1. The Post did not provide context at the outset disclosing that McCain and Trump have been feuding, with McCain characterizing some Trump supporters as “crazies” and Trump stating that McCain graduated last in his class in Annapolis. The charged rhetoric continued at the conservative Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa this weekend.

2. When a panelist characterized McCain as a “war hero,” the Post is accurate in reporting that Trump initially said McCain is “not a war hero.” But then, Trump immediately modified his statement saying– four times– that McCain is a war hero:

“He is a war hero.”

“He’s a war hero because he was captured.”

“He’s a war hero, because he was captured.”

“I believe, perhaps, he’s a war hero. But right now, he’s said some very bad things about a lot of people.”

3. Did Trump say McCain is not a war hero because he was captured? No, not in the exchanges represented in the Post.

4. Is the Post’s characterization an accident? It would appear not, because it is repeated in the Post’s caption of the video clip, which also states: “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam war veteran, was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Further, in the Post’s second sentence, Trump is quoted as stating of McCain, “He’s not a war hero…He’s a war hero because he was captured,” but the article selectively left out the phrase Trump had uttered in between: “He is a war hero.”

Trump is not magnanimous. My Father-in-Law was held in a German POW camp for two years.

Trump would deny his heroism. But what does Donald Trump know of heroism? His draft deferment assured the world that the label "HERO" would never apply to him.

Still playing ignorant I see, wait you ain't playin ................

The adults have already discussed all POW's are not heros, to give them all medals would not be fair to those who were not captured.

Hero's are above and beyond the normal grunt. Getting captured certainly doesn't make the pay grade.

We've also discussed deferments and that those are there for intelligent people to use.

He had some good company in those dodgers, I posted a list in another thread.

You are just a butthurt, whiny ass bitch who can't except the fact that there are deferments for those who are rich and have social status.

We give our sons and daughters to serve this country. It is a fine and noble thing to do. Yet you are defending those who sought not to serve this country, but buy their way out. Where's the nobility in that?

The Kennedy family lost a son and a second son fought with valor. The Roosevelt family turned out to a man in WW II. Have you ever heard the term 'Noblis Oblige'?

Does the new Trumpian Conservatism mean money trumps honor? And honor can be dismissed to score some cheap political points?

And you complain about the current president's ethics! What gall!

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Fact Check: The Washington Post on Donald Trump and John McCain

• by sattkisson
• on July 18, 2015
• in Fact Check, News
• 92 Comments

[Above image: Republican Presidential Candidate Donald Trump at the 2015 Conservative Political Action Conference]

Donald Trump appears to have gotten under the skin of not only Democrats, but also fellow Republicans and the news media. Has that subjected Trump, a Republican presidential candidate, to unfair and/or inaccurate reporting?

An article in the Washington Post today is headlined, “Trump slams McCain for being ‘captured’ in Vietnam.”

The article’s lead sentence states, “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump slammed Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam War veteran, on Saturday by saying McCain was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Is this report accurate?

In fact, Trump’s actual quote is the opposite of what is presented in the Post’s first sentence.

Discussion

1. The Post did not provide context at the outset disclosing that McCain and Trump have been feuding, with McCain characterizing some Trump supporters as “crazies” and Trump stating that McCain graduated last in his class in Annapolis. The charged rhetoric continued at the conservative Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa this weekend.

2. When a panelist characterized McCain as a “war hero,” the Post is accurate in reporting that Trump initially said McCain is “not a war hero.” But then, Trump immediately modified his statement saying– four times– that McCain is a war hero:

“He is a war hero.”

“He’s a war hero because he was captured.”

“He’s a war hero, because he was captured.”

“I believe, perhaps, he’s a war hero. But right now, he’s said some very bad things about a lot of people.”

3. Did Trump say McCain is not a war hero because he was captured? No, not in the exchanges represented in the Post.

4. Is the Post’s characterization an accident? It would appear not, because it is repeated in the Post’s caption of the video clip, which also states: “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam war veteran, was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Further, in the Post’s second sentence, Trump is quoted as stating of McCain, “He’s not a war hero…He’s a war hero because he was captured,” but the article selectively left out the phrase Trump had uttered in between: “He is a war hero.”

Trump is not magnanimous. My Father-in-Law was held in a German POW camp for two years.

Trump would deny his heroism. But what does Donald Trump know of heroism? His draft deferment assured the world that the label "HERO" would never apply to him.

Still playing ignorant I see, wait you ain't playin ................

The adults have already discussed all POW's are not heros, to give them all medals would not be fair to those who were not captured.

Hero's are above and beyond the normal grunt. Getting captured certainly doesn't make the pay grade.

We've also discussed deferments and that those are there for intelligent people to use.

He had some good company in those dodgers, I posted a list in another thread.

You are just a butthurt, whiny ass bitch who can't except the fact that there are deferments for those who are rich and have social status.

We give our sons and daughters to serve this country. It is a fine and noble thing to do. Yet you are defending those who sought not to serve this country, but buy their way out. Where's the nobility in that?

The Kennedy family lost a son and a second son fought with valor. The Roosevelt family turned out to a man in WW II. Have you ever heard the term 'Noblis Oblige'?

Does the new Trumpian Conservatism mean money trumps honor? And honor can be dismissed to score some cheap political points?

And you complain about the current president's ethics! What gall!

I agree, it does take gall to complain about the current illegal presidents ethics, to complain about them would indicate one actually thought he had them.
I cant give the interloper that much credit.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Fact Check: The Washington Post on Donald Trump and John McCain

• by sattkisson
• on July 18, 2015
• in Fact Check, News
• 92 Comments

[Above image: Republican Presidential Candidate Donald Trump at the 2015 Conservative Political Action Conference]

Donald Trump appears to have gotten under the skin of not only Democrats, but also fellow Republicans and the news media. Has that subjected Trump, a Republican presidential candidate, to unfair and/or inaccurate reporting?

An article in the Washington Post today is headlined, “Trump slams McCain for being ‘captured’ in Vietnam.”

The article’s lead sentence states, “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump slammed Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam War veteran, on Saturday by saying McCain was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Is this report accurate?

In fact, Trump’s actual quote is the opposite of what is presented in the Post’s first sentence.

Discussion

1. The Post did not provide context at the outset disclosing that McCain and Trump have been feuding, with McCain characterizing some Trump supporters as “crazies” and Trump stating that McCain graduated last in his class in Annapolis. The charged rhetoric continued at the conservative Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa this weekend.

2. When a panelist characterized McCain as a “war hero,” the Post is accurate in reporting that Trump initially said McCain is “not a war hero.” But then, Trump immediately modified his statement saying– four times– that McCain is a war hero:

“He is a war hero.”

“He’s a war hero because he was captured.”

“He’s a war hero, because he was captured.”

“I believe, perhaps, he’s a war hero. But right now, he’s said some very bad things about a lot of people.”

3. Did Trump say McCain is not a war hero because he was captured? No, not in the exchanges represented in the Post.

4. Is the Post’s characterization an accident? It would appear not, because it is repeated in the Post’s caption of the video clip, which also states: “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam war veteran, was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added].”

Further, in the Post’s second sentence, Trump is quoted as stating of McCain, “He’s not a war hero…He’s a war hero because he was captured,” but the article selectively left out the phrase Trump had uttered in between: “He is a war hero.”

Trump is not magnanimous. My Father-in-Law was held in a German POW camp for two years.

Trump would deny his heroism. But what does Donald Trump know of heroism? His draft deferment assured the world that the label "HERO" would never apply to him.

Still playing ignorant I see, wait you ain't playin ................

The adults have already discussed all POW's are not heros, to give them all medals would not be fair to those who were not captured.

Hero's are above and beyond the normal grunt. Getting captured certainly doesn't make the pay grade.

We've also discussed deferments and that those are there for intelligent people to use.

He had some good company in those dodgers, I posted a list in another thread.

You are just a butthurt, whiny ass bitch who can't except the fact that there are deferments for those who are rich and have social status.

We give our sons and daughters to serve this country. It is a fine and noble thing to do. Yet you are defending those who sought not to serve this country, but buy their way out. Where's the nobility in that?

The Kennedy family lost a son and a second son fought with valor. The Roosevelt family turned out to a man in WW II. Have you ever heard the term 'Noblis Oblige'?

Does the new Trumpian Conservatism mean money trumps honor? And honor can be dismissed to score some cheap political points?

And you complain about the current president's ethics! What gall!

You are butthurt and it shows .......

Nothing of substance in that post.

All whiny shit about others with money.

What is it like to go through life with lust and envy for anyone who has success and wealth??

You are too fucking stupid and prejudice to be successful so you hate others that are.

Like a little cry baby, your butthurt is evident with every post.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

They know what I'm talking about. If you're a long time member on here. but they want everyone to think they are the party of love and civility. well go back and search this board for ANYTHING about Palin. they can see firsthand what I'm talking about

just like their Faux outrage over Trump and McCain. go search how they treated McCain when he was running for President. the SAME they are treating Trump now

To be fair, Palin was an idiot who said a lot of stupid things. Having a vagina isn't an excuse for being an idiot.

Its working for hillary, so even a non used dusty vagina evidently has power.

Hillary is smart enough to be kicking your ass. The only ass sarah ever kicked was her own. She even lost in her drunken brawl.

She's as bright as a black hole.

She is imminently more qualified than any of the GOP senators running for President and arguably more qualified than the governors and ex-governors.

What Mr. Trump is doing (whether he knows it or not) is reflecting that not only qualifications (which she has) go a long way, not only experience (which she has) go a long way, not only an understanding of the role (which she has) goes a long way, an understanding of the law (which she has) goes a long way, and an understanding of the American people (which she may or or frankly may not have in abundance) goes a long way but also the temperament of a Commander-in-Chief goes a long way.

What type of relationship will Trump have with any other foreign leaders with his affinity for publicly calling people losers and decrying our closest geographic neighbor?

The net result is that every day Trump spends in the race is a net positive for the Democrats. That he further highlights fissures in the GOP electorate and brings the insane members of the caucus to the forefront is an added bonus.

Those are the facts; now back to the one-liners.

Nonsense. She's done absolutely nothing. Disaster at the state level and accomplished nothing trying to pad her empty resume while senator.

 

[Debra K]

lol
oh boy. Have you looked at the progressive party you BELONG for the last seven years. ? that isn't just ugly it's been downright nasty. and you claim it's the Gop

oh and did you all see how you treated a woman running for Vice President of this country?

now sit down

this is all your party ever runs on. dirt, smears and dirty lowdown nasty politics

You've got to be kidding. You hang your hat on that absurdity? Sarah Palin was and still is an uninformed person who cannot string words together to form a coherent sentence. No sane person wanted that person a heartbeat away from the presidency. We already had the dimwit Dan Quale and he was a genius in comparison to Sarah Palin. And you know it. It's not a smear if it's true.

Yet she was elected as Governor of Alaska. No sane person believes the smear that you just posted.

Sarah Palin quit her job as governor ... she abandoned the people who elected her in order cash in on her ill-deserved fame. The people of Alaska aren't lining up to sing any praises on her behalf.

 

[BluesLegend]

She is imminently more qualified than any of the GOP senators running for President and arguably more qualified than the governors and ex-governors.

Wow that's stupid even for you. Put up or shut up libtard by all means lets see you're list of Hillary's career accomplishments. Not her job titles her accomplishments in those jobs. Compared to Cruz resume she would be fetching him coffee.

 

[TooTall]

lol
oh boy. Have you looked at the progressive party you BELONG for the last seven years. ? that isn't just ugly it's been downright nasty. and you claim it's the Gop

oh and did you all see how you treated a woman running for Vice President of this country?

now sit down

this is all your party ever runs on. dirt, smears and dirty lowdown nasty politics

You've got to be kidding. You hang your hat on that absurdity? Sarah Palin was and still is an uninformed person who cannot string words together to form a coherent sentence. No sane person wanted that person a heartbeat away from the presidency. We already had the dimwit Dan Quale and he was a genius in comparison to Sarah Palin. And you know it. It's not a smear if it's true.

Yet she was elected as Governor of Alaska. No sane person believes the smear that you just posted.

Sarah Palin quit her job as governor ... she abandoned the people who elected her in order cash in on her ill-deserved fame. The people of Alaska aren't lining up to sing any praises on her behalf.

Barack Obama quit his job as a Senator from Illinois to cash in on his race. See how that works!