Question about Noah.

[PostmodernProph]

The bible doesn't place the world that old

the bible doesn't place the date of the flood anywhere.......some guy name Usscher tried, but he made several significant mistakes.....

How strange. An event that allegedly involved your serial mass murderer gawds wiping all of humanity from the planet except for Noah and his immediate family, yet no one marked their desktop calendar.

actually, nearly every continent has indigenous peoples who've passed down the stories from their ancestors desktop calendars.....

That is correct which is from the data I gave you. None of which has anything to do with the Noah fable which is unsupportable with respect to archeological and historical data.

???....actually, I suspect I had that data before you were even born......

About a worldwide flood that murdered everyone except a few white folks? Ya, sure they do.

everyone except their ancestors......everyone's ancestors.......

 

[PostmodernProph]

OK, so you don't believe in the bible.

yes.....I do.....I just don't believe in YOU......

 

[Hollie]

The bible doesn't place the world that old

the bible doesn't place the date of the flood anywhere.......some guy name Usscher tried, but he made several significant mistakes.....

How strange. An event that allegedly involved your serial mass murderer gawds wiping all of humanity from the planet except for Noah and his immediate family, yet no one marked their desktop calendar.

actually, nearly every continent has indigenous peoples who've passed down the stories from their ancestors desktop calendars.....

That is correct which is from the data I gave you. None of which has anything to do with the Noah fable which is unsupportable with respect to archeological and historical data.

???....actually, I suspect I had that data before you were even born......

About a worldwide flood that murdered everyone except a few white folks? Ya, sure they do.

everyone except their ancestors......everyone's ancestors.......

Pointless.

 

[the_human_being]

Indeed I have heard of erosion. Erosion does not necessarily require your millions of years. Erosion can happen very suddenly. Ever see the results of a flash flood?

The top of the Grand Canyon is over 4,000 feet higher than it is where it enters the canyon. That means the river would have had to flow UPHILL for millions of years to support your claim. That doesn't happen in the real world. In contrast to all other rivers, we find the Colorado has no delta ( a place where washed out mud is deposited.) Had it washed out all this earth over millions of years, there would of necessity the requirement of a rather large delta.

Today we see two large beach lines at the top of the canyon. This means that before the flood there were two large lakes at the top of the canyon. These lakes overfilled and spilled very fast in a VERTICAL down-flow, not in a horizontal direction. This resulted in the steep sharp edges and high vertical cliffs of the canyon instead of the rounded gradual slopes normally found as result of a horizontal flow. The Grand Canyon was actually formed in a very short period of time caused by a tremendous quantity of water spilling over the broken walls of two lakes.

You shifting plates do not address the discovery of seashells on top of Everest. Do you realize Everest is quite some distance from an ocean? My father-in-law used to operate a front-end loader for the county. He was loading dump trucks with red clay from a huge clay quarry when he cut into the quarry bank and found oyster shells embedded in the red clay bank. That quarry is some 50 miles from the Gulf of Mexico.

Where did all the water go? A lot of it is still with us. They call them oceans, seas, gulf, lakes, etc. Most of the earth is still covered with water. Some of the ocean is quite deep, from seven to twelve miles deep in places. The world before the flood had very little seas if any. At present it is very dry in Pensacola where I live. I have to add water to my swimming pool a couple of times a week. This is called evaporation. The water from my pool may be deposited upon New York City by the way of rain or snow fall one day.

The plate that Mt Everest sits on was once at the bottom of an ocean, but the plate with India on it crashed into that plate, pushing it into mountains.
Your Grand canyon story is not supported by archeological fact.
Where did all the water drain to?
When do YOU date the flood to?

What ocean? Give me some argument. I have no argument that at the time of the flood Everest wasn't nearly as high as it is now. I totally agree. Even though it was not as high it still had a top to it. That same top has only gotten pushed upward. Show me something that says Everest was once at the bottom of some ocean and please name that ocean.

If the earth had a flat surface now with the depths of the ocean being only a few feet deep, then the water in the oceans would cover the earth. That is a scientific fact.

My Grand Canyon story is supported not only by fact but by common sense. That river never flowed uphill.

Actually, the Bible somewhat supports the idea that this earth has endured two global floods in its history.

What "facts" support your Grand Canyon theory?

Why don't you simply read the post? Ever hear of common sense? Some folks have it. Do rivers flow uphill? Does slow erosion produce sharp cliffs? Where is the Colorado River delta? These are common sense items that must be answered.

Show me your argument. I've shown you mine.

You claimed "facts" supported your Grand Canyon theory. I still see no facts being presented.

I showed you my argument. It's up to you to dispute my argument.

 

[the_human_being]

the bible doesn't place the date of the flood anywhere.......some guy name Usscher tried, but he made several significant mistakes.....

How strange. An event that allegedly involved your serial mass murderer gawds wiping all of humanity from the planet except for Noah and his immediate family, yet no one marked their desktop calendar.

actually, nearly every continent has indigenous peoples who've passed down the stories from their ancestors desktop calendars.....

That is correct which is from the data I gave you. None of which has anything to do with the Noah fable which is unsupportable with respect to archeological and historical data.

???....actually, I suspect I had that data before you were even born......

About a worldwide flood that murdered everyone except a few white folks? Ya, sure they do.

everyone except their ancestors......everyone's ancestors.......

Pointless.

Pointless??? Makes perfect sense because that's exactly what happened.

 

[Hollie]

The plate that Mt Everest sits on was once at the bottom of an ocean, but the plate with India on it crashed into that plate, pushing it into mountains.
Your Grand canyon story is not supported by archeological fact.
Where did all the water drain to?
When do YOU date the flood to?

What ocean? Give me some argument. I have no argument that at the time of the flood Everest wasn't nearly as high as it is now. I totally agree. Even though it was not as high it still had a top to it. That same top has only gotten pushed upward. Show me something that says Everest was once at the bottom of some ocean and please name that ocean.

If the earth had a flat surface now with the depths of the ocean being only a few feet deep, then the water in the oceans would cover the earth. That is a scientific fact.

My Grand Canyon story is supported not only by fact but by common sense. That river never flowed uphill.

Actually, the Bible somewhat supports the idea that this earth has endured two global floods in its history.

What "facts" support your Grand Canyon theory?

Why don't you simply read the post? Ever hear of common sense? Some folks have it. Do rivers flow uphill? Does slow erosion produce sharp cliffs? Where is the Colorado River delta? These are common sense items that must be answered.

Show me your argument. I've shown you mine.

You claimed "facts" supported your Grand Canyon theory. I still see no facts being presented.

I showed you my argument. It's up to you to dispute my argument.

Your opinion is not fact. You claimed to have facts.

 

[Hollie]

How strange. An event that allegedly involved your serial mass murderer gawds wiping all of humanity from the planet except for Noah and his immediate family, yet no one marked their desktop calendar.

actually, nearly every continent has indigenous peoples who've passed down the stories from their ancestors desktop calendars.....

That is correct which is from the data I gave you. None of which has anything to do with the Noah fable which is unsupportable with respect to archeological and historical data.

???....actually, I suspect I had that data before you were even born......

About a worldwide flood that murdered everyone except a few white folks? Ya, sure they do.

everyone except their ancestors......everyone's ancestors.......

Pointless.

Pointless??? Makes perfect sense because that's exactly what happened.

Here are facts that render Ark tales as merely superstitious fables.

Problems with a Global Flood 2nd edition

 

[the_human_being]

actually, nearly every continent has indigenous peoples who've passed down the stories from their ancestors desktop calendars.....

That is correct which is from the data I gave you. None of which has anything to do with the Noah fable which is unsupportable with respect to archeological and historical data.

???....actually, I suspect I had that data before you were even born......

About a worldwide flood that murdered everyone except a few white folks? Ya, sure they do.

everyone except their ancestors......everyone's ancestors.......

Pointless.

Pointless??? Makes perfect sense because that's exactly what happened.

Here are facts that render Ark tales as merely superstitious fables.

Problems with a Global Flood 2nd edition

We were speaking about a flood, not an ark. As far as wooden ships, many have been built. Columbus sailed on three. The Vikings used them extensively. That link is a sieve it's so full of holes.

 

[the_human_being]

What ocean? Give me some argument. I have no argument that at the time of the flood Everest wasn't nearly as high as it is now. I totally agree. Even though it was not as high it still had a top to it. That same top has only gotten pushed upward. Show me something that says Everest was once at the bottom of some ocean and please name that ocean.

If the earth had a flat surface now with the depths of the ocean being only a few feet deep, then the water in the oceans would cover the earth. That is a scientific fact.

My Grand Canyon story is supported not only by fact but by common sense. That river never flowed uphill.

Actually, the Bible somewhat supports the idea that this earth has endured two global floods in its history.

What "facts" support your Grand Canyon theory?

Why don't you simply read the post? Ever hear of common sense? Some folks have it. Do rivers flow uphill? Does slow erosion produce sharp cliffs? Where is the Colorado River delta? These are common sense items that must be answered.

Show me your argument. I've shown you mine.

You claimed "facts" supported your Grand Canyon theory. I still see no facts being presented.

I showed you my argument. It's up to you to dispute my argument.

Your opinion is not fact. You claimed to have facts.

The fact is that in order for the Grand Canyon to have been formed by a millions of years old erosion process, the Colorado River would have had to have flowed uphill for millions of years. Fact 2 is that the rim of the canyon would have eroded away in a rounded fashion instead of a sharply defined fashion denoting a fast overflow of a tremendous amount of water.

Now dispute those two little facts. Prove a gravitational reversal of the river's flow.

 

[Hollie]

That is correct which is from the data I gave you. None of which has anything to do with the Noah fable which is unsupportable with respect to archeological and historical data.

???....actually, I suspect I had that data before you were even born......

About a worldwide flood that murdered everyone except a few white folks? Ya, sure they do.

everyone except their ancestors......everyone's ancestors.......

Pointless.

Pointless??? Makes perfect sense because that's exactly what happened.

Here are facts that render Ark tales as merely superstitious fables.

Problems with a Global Flood 2nd edition

We were speaking about a flood, not an ark. As far as wooden ships, many have been built. Columbus sailed on three. The Vikings used them extensively. That link is a sieve it's so full of holes.

What flood? There is no evidence of a global flood per the Ark take.

I don't recall the Vikings ever claiming to have gathered two of every kind of animal on a pleasure cruise.

What holes in the link? Be specific.

Otherwise, please address the anomaly of cultures and civilizations existing at the time of your Ark tales that have no record of any global flood.

 

[Hollie]

What "facts" support your Grand Canyon theory?

Why don't you simply read the post? Ever hear of common sense? Some folks have it. Do rivers flow uphill? Does slow erosion produce sharp cliffs? Where is the Colorado River delta? These are common sense items that must be answered.

Show me your argument. I've shown you mine.

You claimed "facts" supported your Grand Canyon theory. I still see no facts being presented.

I showed you my argument. It's up to you to dispute my argument.

Your opinion is not fact. You claimed to have facts.

The fact is that in order for the Grand Canyon to have been formed by a millions of years old erosion process, the Colorado River would have had to have flowed uphill for millions of years. Fact 2 is that the rim of the canyon would have eroded away in a rounded fashion instead of a sharply defined fashion denoting a fast overflow of a tremendous amount of water.

Now dispute those two little facts. Prove a gravitational reversal of the river's flow.

What gravitational reversal? Why do you believe the Colorado river would have flowed "uphill"?

Why do you believe the canyon would have eroded as you claim it would have had to?

Let me guess. Are those "facts" you read on the ICR website?

 

[the_human_being]

???....actually, I suspect I had that data before you were even born......
everyone except their ancestors......everyone's ancestors.......

Pointless.

Pointless??? Makes perfect sense because that's exactly what happened.

Here are facts that render Ark tales as merely superstitious fables.

Problems with a Global Flood 2nd edition

We were speaking about a flood, not an ark. As far as wooden ships, many have been built. Columbus sailed on three. The Vikings used them extensively. That link is a sieve it's so full of holes.

What flood? There is no evidence of a global flood per the Ark take.

I don't recall the Vikings ever claiming to have gathered two of every kind of animal on a pleasure cruise.

What holes in the link? Be specific.

Otherwise, please address the anomaly of cultures and civilizations existing at the time of your Ark tales that have no record of any global flood.

I have already addressed the cultures who have flood tales and so has Postmodern. addressed them. No one said anything about the Vikings having animals on board. Your article made a wild uneducated and totally asinine claim that wood was not a good product for boat building when most of the world was explored and settle by people sailing wooden boats. When I see something totally stupid like that, I dismiss the whole thesis.

 

[the_human_being]

Why don't you simply read the post? Ever hear of common sense? Some folks have it. Do rivers flow uphill? Does slow erosion produce sharp cliffs? Where is the Colorado River delta? These are common sense items that must be answered.

Show me your argument. I've shown you mine.

You claimed "facts" supported your Grand Canyon theory. I still see no facts being presented.

I showed you my argument. It's up to you to dispute my argument.

Your opinion is not fact. You claimed to have facts.

The fact is that in order for the Grand Canyon to have been formed by a millions of years old erosion process, the Colorado River would have had to have flowed uphill for millions of years. Fact 2 is that the rim of the canyon would have eroded away in a rounded fashion instead of a sharply defined fashion denoting a fast overflow of a tremendous amount of water.

Now dispute those two little facts. Prove a gravitational reversal of the river's flow.

What gravitational reversal? Why do you believe the Colorado river would have flowed "uphill"?

Why do you believe the canyon would have eroded as you claim it would have had to?

Let me guess. Are those "facts" you read on the ICR website?

Why don't you read my post on the Grand Canyon? Why do you expect me to repost it for you?

 

[Taz]

OK, so you don't believe in the bible.

yes.....I do.....I just don't believe in YOU......

It was a worldwide flood, which you don't believe in. So you don't believe the bible.

 

[Taz]

HOLY CRAP!!!!!! That's a lot of dumb shit for such a short post! You never heard of plate techtonics pushing up Everest and that it moves a little each year? Noah's flood formed the Grand Canyon? Ever heard of erosion? And just curious, where did all the water go?

Indeed I have heard of erosion. Erosion does not necessarily require your millions of years. Erosion can happen very suddenly. Ever see the results of a flash flood?

The top of the Grand Canyon is over 4,000 feet higher than it is where it enters the canyon. That means the river would have had to flow UPHILL for millions of years to support your claim. That doesn't happen in the real world. In contrast to all other rivers, we find the Colorado has no delta ( a place where washed out mud is deposited.) Had it washed out all this earth over millions of years, there would of necessity the requirement of a rather large delta.

Today we see two large beach lines at the top of the canyon. This means that before the flood there were two large lakes at the top of the canyon. These lakes overfilled and spilled very fast in a VERTICAL down-flow, not in a horizontal direction. This resulted in the steep sharp edges and high vertical cliffs of the canyon instead of the rounded gradual slopes normally found as result of a horizontal flow. The Grand Canyon was actually formed in a very short period of time caused by a tremendous quantity of water spilling over the broken walls of two lakes.

You shifting plates do not address the discovery of seashells on top of Everest. Do you realize Everest is quite some distance from an ocean? My father-in-law used to operate a front-end loader for the county. He was loading dump trucks with red clay from a huge clay quarry when he cut into the quarry bank and found oyster shells embedded in the red clay bank. That quarry is some 50 miles from the Gulf of Mexico.

Where did all the water go? A lot of it is still with us. They call them oceans, seas, gulf, lakes, etc. Most of the earth is still covered with water. Some of the ocean is quite deep, from seven to twelve miles deep in places. The world before the flood had very little seas if any. At present it is very dry in Pensacola where I live. I have to add water to my swimming pool a couple of times a week. This is called evaporation. The water from my pool may be deposited upon New York City by the way of rain or snow fall one day.

The plate that Mt Everest sits on was once at the bottom of an ocean, but the plate with India on it crashed into that plate, pushing it into mountains.
Your Grand canyon story is not supported by archeological fact.
Where did all the water drain to?
When do YOU date the flood to?

What ocean? Give me some argument. I have no argument that at the time of the flood Everest wasn't nearly as high as it is now. I totally agree. Even though it was not as high it still had a top to it. That same top has only gotten pushed upward. Show me something that says Everest was once at the bottom of some ocean and please name that ocean.

If the earth had a flat surface now with the depths of the ocean being only a few feet deep, then the water in the oceans would cover the earth. That is a scientific fact.

My Grand Canyon story is supported not only by fact but by common sense. That river never flowed uphill.

Actually, the Bible somewhat supports the idea that this earth has endured two global floods in its history.

What "facts" support your Grand Canyon theory?

Why don't you simply read the post? Ever hear of common sense? Some folks have it. Do rivers flow uphill? Does slow erosion produce sharp cliffs? Where is the Colorado River delta? These are common sense items that must be answered.

Show me your argument. I've shown you mine.

Show us links to real scientist who believe this.

 

[Hollie]

Pointless.

Pointless??? Makes perfect sense because that's exactly what happened.

Here are facts that render Ark tales as merely superstitious fables.

Problems with a Global Flood 2nd edition

We were speaking about a flood, not an ark. As far as wooden ships, many have been built. Columbus sailed on three. The Vikings used them extensively. That link is a sieve it's so full of holes.

What flood? There is no evidence of a global flood per the Ark take.

I don't recall the Vikings ever claiming to have gathered two of every kind of animal on a pleasure cruise.

What holes in the link? Be specific.

Otherwise, please address the anomaly of cultures and civilizations existing at the time of your Ark tales that have no record of any global flood.

I have already addressed the cultures who have flood tales and so has Postmodern. addressed them. No one said anything about the Vikings having animals on board. Your article made a wild uneducated and totally asinine claim that wood was not a good product for boat building when most of the world was explored and settle by people sailing wooden boats. When I see something totally stupid like that, I dismiss the whole thesis.

Other cultures gave flood tales.

Here's another opportunity not to sidestep the problem of other cultures having no record of a global flood that coincided with the biblical Ark tale.

Why did the Egyptians not record a global flood?

I think missed the part of the article I linked that identified the absurdity of a wooden boat as described in the Ark tale. From the link:

"..... Wood is simply not strong enough to prevent separation between the joints, especially in the heavy seas that the Ark would have encountered. The longest wooden ships in modern seas are about 300 feet, and these require reinforcing with iron straps and leak so badly they must be constantly pumped. The ark was 450 feet long [ Gen. 6:15]. Could an ark that size be made seaworthy?

 

[the_human_being]

Pointless??? Makes perfect sense because that's exactly what happened.

Here are facts that render Ark tales as merely superstitious fables.

Problems with a Global Flood 2nd edition

We were speaking about a flood, not an ark. As far as wooden ships, many have been built. Columbus sailed on three. The Vikings used them extensively. That link is a sieve it's so full of holes.

What flood? There is no evidence of a global flood per the Ark take.

I don't recall the Vikings ever claiming to have gathered two of every kind of animal on a pleasure cruise.

What holes in the link? Be specific.

Otherwise, please address the anomaly of cultures and civilizations existing at the time of your Ark tales that have no record of any global flood.

I have already addressed the cultures who have flood tales and so has Postmodern. addressed them. No one said anything about the Vikings having animals on board. Your article made a wild uneducated and totally asinine claim that wood was not a good product for boat building when most of the world was explored and settle by people sailing wooden boats. When I see something totally stupid like that, I dismiss the whole thesis.

Other cultures gave flood tales.

Here's another opportunity not to sidestep the problem of other cultures having no record of a global flood that coincided with the biblical Ark tale.

Why did the Egyptians not record a global flood?

I think missed the part of the article I linked that identified the absurdity of a wooden boat as described in the Ark tale. From the link:

"..... Wood is simply not strong enough to prevent separation between the joints, especially in the heavy seas that the Ark would have encountered. The longest wooden ships in modern seas are about 300 feet, and these require reinforcing with iron straps and leak so badly they must be constantly pumped. The ark was 450 feet long [ Gen. 6:15]. Could an ark that size be made seaworthy?

I gave you many examples of cultures that spoke of a global flood. I don't know why the Egyptians either did or didn't. The point is that many did.

As far a wooden ship taking heavy seas, even Columbus rode out a hurricane losing the Pinta. Of course wooden ships can take heavy seas. Who knows really whether the ark utilized any metal or not. Tubal Cain was a worker in brass and other metals. There was certainly some knowledge of working with metals long before Noah built the ark.

Your link makes a lot of assumptions. It assumes dinosaurs had to be aboard the ark. Not so at all. The only reference to anything that might be argued to have been a dinosaur appeared in the Book of Job. This is highly argumentative. Many claim Job was speaking of a huge Nile crocodile. Science is pretty much in agreement that dinosaurs were pretty much extinct by the time of the flood.

We have no way of knowing at all either the kinds nor the quantities of animals on board the ark. The Bible doesn't provide a ship's manifest. As far as the food of the animals on board, who's to say they all just didn't eat grass or hay? The authorization to kill and eat meat was given after the flood.

The link is conjecture and assumptions about which the Bible does not address.

 

[the_human_being]

Indeed I have heard of erosion. Erosion does not necessarily require your millions of years. Erosion can happen very suddenly. Ever see the results of a flash flood?

The top of the Grand Canyon is over 4,000 feet higher than it is where it enters the canyon. That means the river would have had to flow UPHILL for millions of years to support your claim. That doesn't happen in the real world. In contrast to all other rivers, we find the Colorado has no delta ( a place where washed out mud is deposited.) Had it washed out all this earth over millions of years, there would of necessity the requirement of a rather large delta.

Today we see two large beach lines at the top of the canyon. This means that before the flood there were two large lakes at the top of the canyon. These lakes overfilled and spilled very fast in a VERTICAL down-flow, not in a horizontal direction. This resulted in the steep sharp edges and high vertical cliffs of the canyon instead of the rounded gradual slopes normally found as result of a horizontal flow. The Grand Canyon was actually formed in a very short period of time caused by a tremendous quantity of water spilling over the broken walls of two lakes.

You shifting plates do not address the discovery of seashells on top of Everest. Do you realize Everest is quite some distance from an ocean? My father-in-law used to operate a front-end loader for the county. He was loading dump trucks with red clay from a huge clay quarry when he cut into the quarry bank and found oyster shells embedded in the red clay bank. That quarry is some 50 miles from the Gulf of Mexico.

Where did all the water go? A lot of it is still with us. They call them oceans, seas, gulf, lakes, etc. Most of the earth is still covered with water. Some of the ocean is quite deep, from seven to twelve miles deep in places. The world before the flood had very little seas if any. At present it is very dry in Pensacola where I live. I have to add water to my swimming pool a couple of times a week. This is called evaporation. The water from my pool may be deposited upon New York City by the way of rain or snow fall one day.

The plate that Mt Everest sits on was once at the bottom of an ocean, but the plate with India on it crashed into that plate, pushing it into mountains.
Your Grand canyon story is not supported by archeological fact.
Where did all the water drain to?
When do YOU date the flood to?

What ocean? Give me some argument. I have no argument that at the time of the flood Everest wasn't nearly as high as it is now. I totally agree. Even though it was not as high it still had a top to it. That same top has only gotten pushed upward. Show me something that says Everest was once at the bottom of some ocean and please name that ocean.

If the earth had a flat surface now with the depths of the ocean being only a few feet deep, then the water in the oceans would cover the earth. That is a scientific fact.

My Grand Canyon story is supported not only by fact but by common sense. That river never flowed uphill.

Actually, the Bible somewhat supports the idea that this earth has endured two global floods in its history.

What "facts" support your Grand Canyon theory?

Why don't you simply read the post? Ever hear of common sense? Some folks have it. Do rivers flow uphill? Does slow erosion produce sharp cliffs? Where is the Colorado River delta? These are common sense items that must be answered.

Show me your argument. I've shown you mine.

Show us links to real scientist who believe this.

Dispute what I've posted first. I'm not here to do your bidding.

 

[Hollie]

Here are facts that render Ark tales as merely superstitious fables.

Problems with a Global Flood 2nd edition

We were speaking about a flood, not an ark. As far as wooden ships, many have been built. Columbus sailed on three. The Vikings used them extensively. That link is a sieve it's so full of holes.

What flood? There is no evidence of a global flood per the Ark take.

I don't recall the Vikings ever claiming to have gathered two of every kind of animal on a pleasure cruise.

What holes in the link? Be specific.

Otherwise, please address the anomaly of cultures and civilizations existing at the time of your Ark tales that have no record of any global flood.

I have already addressed the cultures who have flood tales and so has Postmodern. addressed them. No one said anything about the Vikings having animals on board. Your article made a wild uneducated and totally asinine claim that wood was not a good product for boat building when most of the world was explored and settle by people sailing wooden boats. When I see something totally stupid like that, I dismiss the whole thesis.

Other cultures gave flood tales.

Here's another opportunity not to sidestep the problem of other cultures having no record of a global flood that coincided with the biblical Ark tale.

Why did the Egyptians not record a global flood?

I think missed the part of the article I linked that identified the absurdity of a wooden boat as described in the Ark tale. From the link:

"..... Wood is simply not strong enough to prevent separation between the joints, especially in the heavy seas that the Ark would have encountered. The longest wooden ships in modern seas are about 300 feet, and these require reinforcing with iron straps and leak so badly they must be constantly pumped. The ark was 450 feet long [ Gen. 6:15]. Could an ark that size be made seaworthy?

I gave you many examples of cultures that spoke of a global flood. I don't know why the Egyptians either did or didn't. The point is that many did.

As far a wooden ship taking heavy seas, even Columbus rode out a hurricane losing the Pinta. Of course wooden ships can take heavy seas. Who knows really whether the ark utilized any metal or not. Tubal Cain was a worker in brass and other metals. There was certainly some knowledge of working with metals long before Noah built the ark.

Another sidestep.

Why did the Egyptians, and the Maya never have a record of the biblical flood?

 

[Hollie]

Here are facts that render Ark tales as merely superstitious fables.

Problems with a Global Flood 2nd edition

We were speaking about a flood, not an ark. As far as wooden ships, many have been built. Columbus sailed on three. The Vikings used them extensively. That link is a sieve it's so full of holes.

What flood? There is no evidence of a global flood per the Ark take.

I don't recall the Vikings ever claiming to have gathered two of every kind of animal on a pleasure cruise.

What holes in the link? Be specific.

Otherwise, please address the anomaly of cultures and civilizations existing at the time of your Ark tales that have no record of any global flood.

I have already addressed the cultures who have flood tales and so has Postmodern. addressed them. No one said anything about the Vikings having animals on board. Your article made a wild uneducated and totally asinine claim that wood was not a good product for boat building when most of the world was explored and settle by people sailing wooden boats. When I see something totally stupid like that, I dismiss the whole thesis.

Other cultures gave flood tales.

Here's another opportunity not to sidestep the problem of other cultures having no record of a global flood that coincided with the biblical Ark tale.

Why did the Egyptians not record a global flood?

I think missed the part of the article I linked that identified the absurdity of a wooden boat as described in the Ark tale. From the link:

"..... Wood is simply not strong enough to prevent separation between the joints, especially in the heavy seas that the Ark would have encountered. The longest wooden ships in modern seas are about 300 feet, and these require reinforcing with iron straps and leak so badly they must be constantly pumped. The ark was 450 feet long [ Gen. 6:15]. Could an ark that size be made seaworthy?

I gave you many examples of cultures that spoke of a global flood. I don't know why the Egyptians either did or didn't. The point is that many did.

As far a wooden ship taking heavy seas, even Columbus rode out a hurricane losing the Pinta. Of course wooden ships can take heavy seas. Who knows really whether the ark utilized any metal or not. Tubal Cain was a worker in brass and other metals. There was certainly some knowledge of working with metals long before Noah built the ark.

We have no factual data that Noah built an Ark.

Other than biblical tales and fables, what evidence is there of Noah's Ark?

From my linked article:

How was the fossil record sorted in an order convenient for evolution? Ecological zonation, hydrodynamic sorting, and differential escape fail to explain:

• the extremely good sorting observed. Why didn't at least one dinosaur make it to the high ground with the elephants?
• the relative positions of plants and other non-motile life. (Yun, 1989, describes beautifully preserved algae from Late Precambrian sediments. Why don't any modern-looking plants appear that low in the geological column?)
• why some groups of organisms, such as mollusks, are found in many geologic strata.
• why organisms (such as brachiopods) which are very similar hydrodynamically (all nearly the same size, shape, and weight) are still perfectly sorted.
• why extinct animals which lived in the same niches as present animals didn't survive as well. Why did no pterodons make it to high ground?
• how coral reefs hundreds of feet thick and miles long were preserved intact with other fossils below them.
• why small organisms dominate the lower strata, whereas fluid mechanics says they would sink slower and thus end up in upper strata.
• why artifacts such as footprints and burrows are also sorted. [Crimes & Droser, 1992]
• why no human artifacts are found except in the very uppermost strata. If, at the time of the Flood, the earth was overpopulated by people with technology for shipbuilding, why were none of their tools or buildings mixed with trilobite or dinosaur fossils?
• why different parts of the same organisms are sorted together. Pollen and spores are found in association with the trunks, leaves, branches, and roots produced by the same plants [Stewart, 1983].
• why ecological information is consistent within but not between layers. Fossil pollen is one of the more important indicators of different levels of strata. Each plant has different and distinct pollen, and, by telling which plants produced the fossil pollen, it is easy to see what the climate was like in different strata. Was the pollen hydraulically sorted by the flood water so that the climatic evidence is different for each layer?