Question about Shanksville crash

You try to dismiss it because the link is to a civilian site? Lol!

you try to dismiss evidence because it comes from the FBI? LOL!!! :lol:

fucking hypocrite :eek:


When? Surely you aren't referring to your stale 95% claim. That is not evidence you dumfuk. It's called a claim and asking for evidence of the claim isn't a dismissal. Fuk you are sooper stoopid. My link explained the acronyms and their purposes which a lot more than you've done.
 
you try to dismiss evidence because it comes from the fbi? Lol!!! :lol:

Fucking hypocrite :eek:

that and the fact that no less than two former presidents of the air accident investigation board and multiple military air accident investigators are so troubled by the investigation they have gone on public record to say so

so?

they knew most of the planes were hijacked even before they crashed. its not like finding the cause of the cash was rocket science.


Now that is hypocrisy because you've already claimed all the experts agree with the fbi. We know they all don't so put on your tap shoes and blast the volume button...deflection is your best buddy.
 
it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …

people asking for a new investigation isnt proof the facts found by previous investigations is not correct. people questioning things isnt proof of anything at all. :cuckoo:

have any evidence that the official version of events is incorrect yet?

have any evidence of an inside job yet?

I remember the good old days back when they didn't keep airplane crash wreckage from the public view...I remember when I was a kid, whenever a plane crashed, the local sheriff would actually set up elementary school field trips to the crash site so we could look at the carnage, contaminate evidence, pick up souveniers (sp?), etc...

eots=garbage.

You can look up any crash investigation and get the full report for almost the past 20 years. Dumbass.

Http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/Query.asp
 
after i did my own analysis of it, it's obvious that there's discrepancies between the two stories; between the 9/11 commission and the flight data recorder information.it would have been impossible essentially for the results that we see physically from what the flight data recorder was recording. Like i say, that's an area that i think deserves explanation. ...

lt. Col. Jeff latas
president, u.s. Air force accident investigation board.





lt. Cdr. Bernard j. Smith, u.s. Nay (ret) – retired carrier naval aviator and former aircraft accident investigator.
Statement in support of architects and engineers petition:

"from my several years experience as an aircraft accident investigator for the u.s.navy, i am appalled at the basic principles of investigation being ignored; ie, premature destruction of evidence, reliable eye witness accounts ignored, etc. to allow the official version to be the final word in this planned event, as is evident from the ae9/11 investigation, would be a major disservice to the victims and the nation."

the government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of september 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …
with all the evidence readily available at the pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a boeing 757 did not fly into the pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the boeing 757 as alleged. …

as painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history."




lt. Col. David gapp, u.s. Air force (ret) – retired pilot and qualified aircraft accident investigator. Served as president, aircraft accident board. Military aircraft flown: Mcdonnell douglas f-4 phantom, cessna t-37 dragonfly "tweet", northrup t-38 talon. 3,000+ total hours flown. 31 years of u.s. Air force service. One year as commercial pilot for continental airlines. Commercial aircraft flown: Atr-42.
Member: Pilots for 9/11 truth association statement: "pilots for 9/11 truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. we are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of september 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. we do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the united states government doesn't


patriots question 9/11 - responsible criticism of the 9/11 commission report

people asking for a new investigation isnt proof the facts found by previous investigations is not correct. People questioning things isnt proof of anything at all. :cuckoo:

Have any evidence that the official version of events is incorrect yet?

Have any evidence of an inside job yet?

it is proof that people at the very top level of experience and expertise in air accident investigation are appalled at the investigation..and call the official story impossible and it is proof your beloved popular mechanics and their debwunker co-horts are either very inefficient or very selective in the experts they choose to reference
 
people asking for a new investigation isnt proof the facts found by previous investigations is not correct. People questioning things isnt proof of anything at all. :cuckoo:

Have any evidence that the official version of events is incorrect yet?

Have any evidence of an inside job yet?

it is proof that people at the very top level of experience and expertise in air accident investigation are appalled at the investigation..and call the official story impossible and it is proof your beloved popular mechanics and their debwunker co-horts are either very inefficient or very selective in the experts they choose to reference

fallacy of appeal to authority.

have a little chat with bentdick if you need to know what it means.
 
people asking for a new investigation isnt proof the facts found by previous investigations is not correct. People questioning things isnt proof of anything at all. :cuckoo:

Have any evidence that the official version of events is incorrect yet?

Have any evidence of an inside job yet?

it is proof that people at the very top level of experience and expertise in air accident investigation are appalled at the investigation..and call the official story impossible and it is proof your beloved popular mechanics and their debwunker co-horts are either very inefficient or very selective in the experts they choose to reference

fallacy of appeal to authority.

have a little chat with bentdick if you need to know what it means.

thats your blind acceptance of the 9/11 commission report and popular mechnics lol ,is it not
 
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people asking for a new investigation isnt proof the facts found by previous investigations is not correct. People questioning things isnt proof of anything at all. :cuckoo:

Have any evidence that the official version of events is incorrect yet?

Have any evidence of an inside job yet?

it is proof that people at the very top level of experience and expertise in air accident investigation are appalled at the investigation..and call the official story impossible and it is proof your beloved popular mechanics and their debwunker co-horts are either very inefficient or very selective in the experts they choose to reference

fallacy of appeal to authority.

have a little chat with bentdick if you need to know what it means.
actually, Dr Q is likely closer to correct on the failure point than the 9/11 commission report
any chain is only as strong as its weakest point
and the weakest point of the WTC was the floor trusses and the steel flange that connected them at the ends to both the perimeter wall and the steel core
 
people asking for a new investigation isnt proof the facts found by previous investigations is not correct. People questioning things isnt proof of anything at all. :cuckoo:

Have any evidence that the official version of events is incorrect yet?

Have any evidence of an inside job yet?

it is proof that people at the very top level of experience and expertise in air accident investigation are appalled at the investigation..and call the official story impossible and it is proof your beloved popular mechanics and their debwunker co-horts are either very inefficient or very selective in the experts they choose to reference

fallacy of appeal to authority.

have a little chat with bentdick if you need to know what it means.


Hypocrite
 
it is proof that people at the very top level of experience and expertise in air accident investigation are appalled at the investigation..and call the official story impossible and it is proof your beloved popular mechanics and their debwunker co-horts are either very inefficient or very selective in the experts they choose to reference

fallacy of appeal to authority.

have a little chat with bentdick if you need to know what it means.


Hypocrite
yes, you are
glad to see you admitting it
 
Hypocrite
HAHAHAhahahahahaha!!!

when an actual authority makes a statement you call it "fallacy of an appeal to authority" in error.

when someone else actually does use the fallacy you call ME a hypocrite.

you are a jackass!! :lol:
 
Hypocrite
HAHAHAhahahahahaha!!!

when an actual authority makes a statement you call it "fallacy of an appeal to authority" in error.

when someone else actually does use the fallacy you call ME a hypocrite.

you are a jackass!! :lol:

You are clueless what "authority" means regarding the fallacy. If eots (or anyone) cites an expert but does not provide evidence then the fallacy is committed. Your fallacy is not based simply on the absence of evidence but also on the fact the fbi are not experts in the field of aircraft investigations. The "authority" in the fallacy is speaking of experts and nothing else. The people eots cited are authorities on the topic dumbass. You don't have to be in the government to be an expert authority on the issue.
 
Your fallacy is not based simply on the absence of evidence but also on the fact the fbi are not experts in the field of aircraft investigations.

proof please.
dipshit, bentdick, keeps forgetting that the FBI was the LEAD investigative body in the crash, and they were assisted by the NTSB
they ARE the authority on the crash

You fuxxing nuclear powered moron. "Authority" does not have anything to do with a government sanctioned organization.
 
You are clueless what "authority" means regarding the fallacy. If eots (or anyone) cites an expert but does not provide evidence then the fallacy is committed. Your fallacy is not based simply on the absence of evidence but also on the fact the fbi are not experts in the field of aircraft investigations. The "authority" in the fallacy is speaking of experts and nothing else. The people eots cited are authorities on the topic dumbass. You don't have to be in the government to be an expert authority on the issue.

proof please.

It's been posted several times so this your tap dance and after 500 posts you have yet to post one single fact proving 95% was recovered. You are so predictably pathetic you will respond by ignoring that and lying by saying the proof of what appeal to authority means hasn't been posted. Keep dancing bitch....
 
You are clueless what "authority" means regarding the fallacy. If eots (or anyone) cites an expert but does not provide evidence then the fallacy is committed. Your fallacy is not based simply on the absence of evidence but also on the fact the fbi are not experts in the field of aircraft investigations. The "authority" in the fallacy is speaking of experts and nothing else. The people eots cited are authorities on the topic dumbass. You don't have to be in the government to be an expert authority on the issue.

proof please.

It's been posted several times so this your tap dance and after 500 posts you have yet to post one single fact proving 95% was recovered. You are so predictably pathetic you will respond by ignoring that and lying by saying the proof of what appeal to authority means hasn't been posted. Keep dancing bitch....


In truth and in reality (two concepts that cause you scumbag liars pain), it is you who has failed to demonstrate your contention.

Unlike you, you fucking idiot, we have consistently reported evidence. We have shown images of recovered material (wheels still partly buried in the ground, charred papers of known passengers, tail sections, etc.) and we have provided the accounts of eye-witnesses -- in particular the FBI -- who performed a great deal OF the recovery. We have also noted that the FBI is the premiere authority on evidence collection.* And so, when they report the recovery of 95%, you lying asshole Troofer scumbag, there is very good support for their accounting.

By contrast, you stanky period puddle, you have failed to offer ANY "evidence" whatsoever for your apparent contention that there is anything dubious about the report that 95% of the downed passenger jet has been recovered.

You, as always, remain a massive laughable fail.

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* The fallacy of 'appeal to authority' is not what you claim it is, as has been clearly noted here several times, mostly for your benefit. You can't even admit that, because you are, fundamentally, nothing but a liar and a pussy.
 
proof please.

It's been posted several times so this your tap dance and after 500 posts you have yet to post one single fact proving 95% was recovered. You are so predictably pathetic you will respond by ignoring that and lying by saying the proof of what appeal to authority means hasn't been posted. Keep dancing bitch....


In truth and in reality (two concepts that cause you scumbag liars pain), it is you who has failed to demonstrate your contention.

Unlike you, you fucking idiot, we have consistently reported evidence. We have shown images of recovered material (wheels still partly buried in the ground, charred papers of known passengers, tail sections, etc.) and we have provided the accounts of eye-witnesses -- in particular the FBI -- who performed a great deal OF the recovery. We have also noted that the FBI is the premiere authority on evidence collection.* And so, when they report the recovery of 95%, you lying asshole Troofer scumbag, there is very good support for their accounting.

By contrast, you stanky period puddle, you have failed to offer ANY "evidence" whatsoever for your apparent contention that there is anything dubious about the report that 95% of the downed passenger jet has been recovered.

You, as always, remain a massive laughable fail.

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* The fallacy of 'appeal to authority' is not what you claim it is, as has been clearly noted here several times, mostly for your benefit. You can't even admit that, because you are, fundamentally, nothing but a liar and a pussy.

You haven't provided a single fact proving 95% was recovered Snitch Bitch.

Eta: just noticed another strawman. I never said the fbi claim is dubious or false. I've simply asked for evidence to back up that claim. Why do Snitch Bitches like you lie so much?
 
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