Procrustes Stretched
Dante's Manifesto
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go awaySince there are no objective far left drones on this board, not sure why one is asking for anything dealing objectivity..
Where in your post is the Gorelick memo?Here is the Gorelick Memo...
It's really simple, Clinton built the firewall between the intel agencies that kept them form connecting the dots. In the early months of the Bush administration all they had was a bunch of disjointed information, who would you blame?
What does that have to do with ignoring Clarke?
and why the deflection?
The Bush administration came in with an incredible defense/intelligence team. People Dante personally admired at the time.The memo produced 4 days into the new administration wasn't ignored, hell it was produced at a time when the new administrations people probably didn't even know where to get office supplies, much less have cohesive operational departments.
Was the memo given the attention needed that HIND SIGHT says it might have been, obviously not, but the security teams didn't have the advantage of hind sight, did they?
Your dear leader inherited, active, ongoing operations, Bush didn't and the Clarke memo proposed future actions, with the most urgent one being more covert funding for the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan. Nothing in the memo insinuated an eminent threat to the homeland. Given the information the new administration had at the time and without hind sight, what would you have done different?
So far you seem to think people just starting a job should be read in and totally up to full operational speed on day one and we all know government doesn't work that way, hell it take months to hire staff and learn who all the players are.
OH my goodness!!!Where in your post is the Gorelick memo?Here is the Gorelick Memo...
If you actually looked at it instead of relying on someone else's interpretation you might then see that it really didn't relate to the events of 9/11.
White Vote, the one ethnic group that hasn't yet been indoctrinated with Identity Politics.
Yes, the Aryan nation might rise again
Bush left Clinton's intelligence people in place because he knew 9/11 was inevitable and wanted to make sure Dems had some skin in the game
So you are saying Bush just let 911 happen...
Man you are more cruel than any one on the left...
Again? ReallyOH my goodness!!!Where in your post is the Gorelick memo?Here is the Gorelick Memo...
If you actually looked at it instead of relying on someone else's interpretation you might then see that it really didn't relate to the events of 9/11.
It clearly stated:
Gorelick Memo that created the wall between FBI & CIA thus no knowledge of the 9/11 bombers shared with the FBI!!!
In 1995 memo she wrote, stated explicitly that they would “go beyond what is legally required, [to] prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation.” GORELICK WALL!
Here read what NOT my words but other sources:
Jamie Gorelick’s wall barred anti-terror investigators from accessing the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker, already in custody on an immigration violation shortly before 9/11.
At the time, an enraged FBI investigator wrote a prophetic memo to headquarters about the wall.
Whatever has happened to this — someday someone will die — and wall or not — the public will not understand why we were not more effective in throwing every resource we had at certain problems…..especially since the biggest threat to us UBL [Usama bin Laden], is getting the most protection.
So, a year before the 9/11 attacks, a special unit in the U.S. military was aware of the presence of an al-Queda cell in Brooklyn, New York, and sought to share its information with the FBI but was stopped cold.Why?Because (as described in the April 16, 2004 Washington Times piece) “on March 4, 1995, [Jamie Gorelick, the then number 2 official in the Clinton Justice Department, sent a 4-page directive] to FBI Director Louis Freeh and Mary Jo White, the New York-based U.S. attorney investigating the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
In the memo, Ms. Gorelick ordered Mr. Freeh and Ms. White to follow information-sharing procedures that ‘go beyond what is legally required,’ in order to avoid ‘any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance’ that the Justice Department was using Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants, instead of ordinary criminal investigative procedures, in an effort to undermine the civil liberties of terrorism suspects.”
Could 9/11 Have Been Prevented? The Gorelick Memo and What We Knew
Oh and the reason for the Gorelick Memo.
(CNSNews.com) - A senior U.S. government official has told CNSNews.com that the 1995 memo written by former Assistant Attorney General Jamie Gorelick and currently at issue in the 9/11 Commission's investigation of U.S. intelligence failures, also created "a roadblock" to the probe of the 1996 Clinton re-election campaign fundraising scandal.
The memo's relevance in the investigation of the fundraising scandal has received scant attention in the media, but four different sources, including the government official, have explained and corroborated details of the connection for CNSNews.com.
The CNSNews.com sources question whether the guidelines purportedly put in place by Gorelick in 1995 for Justice Department investigations were actually intended to shield President Bill Clinton, Vice President Al Gore and top Democratic campaign fundraisers from the subsequent congressional investigations of the illegal fundraising activities.
However, there appears to be no evidence at this point that the Gorelick memo was written for that express purpose.
Because the memo created a barrier for U.S. intelligence agencies to share information with the FBI, one of its unintended consequences may have been to prevent the FBI from receiving the necessary intelligence to stop the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, the worst in American history.
Gorelick Memo Allegedly Impeded Probe of Clinton Fundraising Scandal
Any loss of American lives is a tragedy......
That stated, it should raise some skepticism in any objective mind as the WHY it has taken the Benghazi select committee, about 2 additional months (and they're still going strong in their so-called investigation) to find out more about the loss of 4 American live.......than it took the 9-11 commission to investigate the loss of almost 3,000 American lives......???
Jeb Bush has just struggled with this obvious hypocrisy.
Jeb Bush Falls Apart When Asked Why He Blames Obama For Benghazi But Not W for 9/11
Any loss of American lives is a tragedy......
That stated, it should raise some skepticism in any objective mind as the WHY it has taken the Benghazi select committee, about 2 additional months (and they're still going strong in their so-called investigation) to find out more about the loss of 4 American live.......than it took the 9-11 commission to investigate the loss of almost 3,000 American lives......???
Jeb Bush has just struggled with this obvious hypocrisy.
Jeb Bush Falls Apart When Asked Why He Blames Obama For Benghazi But Not W for 9/11
anyone with an IQ above sea level knows that if Benghazi happened under a GOP administration the Democrats would be calling for a special prosecutor. As for 9-11 there is blame to go around on that one. The planning started long before Bush 43 took office.
Any loss of American lives is a tragedy......
That stated, it should raise some skepticism in any objective mind as the WHY it has taken the Benghazi select committee, about 2 additional months (and they're still going strong in their so-called investigation) to find out more about the loss of 4 American live.......than it took the 9-11 commission to investigate the loss of almost 3,000 American lives......???
Jeb Bush has just struggled with this obvious hypocrisy.
Jeb Bush Falls Apart When Asked Why He Blames Obama For Benghazi But Not W for 9/11
anyone with an IQ above sea level knows that if Benghazi happened under a GOP administration the Democrats would be calling for a special prosecutor. As for 9-11 there is blame to go around on that one. The planning started long before Bush 43 took office.
How much did the Democrats waste on "yellowcake?" That was a completely Democrat/liberal media fabricated controversy
How much did the Democrats waste on "yellowcake?" That was a completely Democrat/liberal media fabricated controversy
Because in the 911 investigation the Democrats weren't trying to protect the only potentially viable presidential candidate they have.
Interesting.....Yet ANOTHER (not-too-sharp) right winger OPENLY admitting that the Benghazi committee is nothing but, "lets-get-Hillary" witch hunt.......
(poor committee chair, Gowdy, is having a hard time spinning that the hearing is "objective")
Wow....There is no comparison..The two incidents are mutually exclusive.Any loss of American lives is a tragedy......
That stated, it should raise some skepticism in any objective mind as the WHY it has taken the Benghazi select committee, about 2 additional months (and they're still going strong in their so-called investigation) to find out more about the loss of 4 American live.......than it took the 9-11 commission to investigate the loss of almost 3,000 American lives......???
Jeb Bush has just struggled with this obvious hypocrisy.
Jeb Bush Falls Apart When Asked Why He Blames Obama For Benghazi But Not W for 9/11
Two male cats in a burlap sackBecause in the 911 investigation the Democrats weren't trying to protect the only potentially viable presidential candidate they have.
Interesting.....Yet ANOTHER (not-too-sharp) right winger OPENLY admitting that the Benghazi committee is nothing but, "lets-get-Hillary" witch hunt.......
(poor committee chair, Gowdy, is having a hard time spinning that the hearing is "objective")
The GOP has no interest in making Hillary suffer legally. All they want to do is sling poo.
It's the same with the Dims. They said Bush lied and was a war criminal. They had no interest in holding him accountable, either. They just wanted to sling poo.
Dims and the GOP are like monkeys in a cage. All they want to do is sling poo.
June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.
February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.
July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.
December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.
March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.
September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.
January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.
July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.
March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.
September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.
And no all out effort to get the two Secretaries of State during Bush's two terms. Not even a whisper. And not a whisper now.
Hmmm, it almost (pouring on the sarcasm here like a giant vat of molasses) looks like the Republicans really could care less about foreign diplomats, except when its Hillary Clinton who is running for president. THEN its ok to use the bodies of 4 dead Americans and the entire machinery of a democracy to shave a few points off of a candidates poll numbers.
Really cons, this is what you are defending? This is the sewer that you have slithered into because your political party is your all mighty god and you'll use anyone's corpse, not to win, but to gain a few points in a poll?
The only thing anyone needs do is hold up a mirror in front of you. This is what you have become.
WTF has happened to conservatism in America?
June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.
February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.
July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.
December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.
March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.
September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.
January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.
July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.
March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.
September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.
And no all out effort to get the two Secretaries of State during Bush's two terms. Not even a whisper. And not a whisper now.
Hmmm, it almost (pouring on the sarcasm here like a giant vat of molasses) looks like the Republicans really could care less about foreign diplomats, except when its Hillary Clinton who is running for president. THEN its ok to use the bodies of 4 dead Americans and the entire machinery of a democracy to shave a few points off of a candidates poll numbers.
Really cons, this is what you are defending? This is the sewer that you have slithered into because your political party is your all mighty god and you'll use anyone's corpse, not to win, but to gain a few points in a poll?
The only thing anyone needs do is hold up a mirror in front of you. This is what you have become.
WTF has happened to conservatism in America?
Any loss of American lives is a tragedy......
That stated, it should raise some skepticism in any objective mind as the WHY it has taken the Benghazi select committee, about 2 additional months (and they're still going strong in their so-called investigation) to find out more about the loss of 4 American live.......than it took the 9-11 commission to investigate the loss of almost 3,000 American lives......???
Jeb Bush has just struggled with this obvious hypocrisy.
Jeb Bush Falls Apart When Asked Why He Blames Obama For Benghazi But Not W for 9/11