R-Wers ask: "Why doesn't Sanders defend Venezuela"?

[bripat9643]

According to the Heritage Index of Economic Freedom, UK and Australia are more capitalist than the United States. The other countries are only slightly less capitalist.

Well, THANK YOU for supporting my conviction......The U.K. and Australia are very "socialistic' in many of their social programs......So, why don;t you nitwits ask Sanders to compare the successes of these 2 countries instead of just Venezuela???

I just told you those countries are more capitalist than the United States.

So I guess we should start by imitating the UK's National Health Service?

Or Australia's?

Health care in Australia is provided by both private and government institutions. The federalMinister for Health, currently Sussan Ley, administers national health policy, and state and territorygovernments administer elements of health care within their jurisdictions, such as the operation of hospitals.

Medicare, administered by the federal government, is the publicly funded universal health caresystem in Australia which was instituted in 1984. It coexists with a private health system. Medicare is funded partly by a 2% Medicare levy[1] (with exceptions for low-income earners), with the balance being provided by government from general revenue. An additional levy of 1% is imposed on high-income earners without private health insurance. As well as Medicare, there is a separatePharmaceutical Benefits Scheme also funded by the federal government which considerably subsidises a range of prescription medications.

"Health care in Australia is provided by both private and government institutions."

Sort of just like the United States, right?

 

[bripat9643]

True. That's why our school system sucks.

Our school system sucks because we don't deny enough poor kids and
education?

There's one more perfect example of conservatism.

No, it sucks because the government runs it. It sucks because it's socialist.

Of course, you deliberately mischaracterized what I said so you could smear me.

There's one more perfect example of liberalism.

I characterized what you said perfectly. He said 'we do not refuse anyone a free education' you said 'that's why our school system sucks.

He also said "True, and we DO have a "socialistic" public school system......from K-12."

Just admit you're a lying douche bag piece of shit.

So you do or do not want poor kids educated regardless of the parents' ability to pay?

Sure, I'm perfectly willing to contribute to charity schools if I am freed from the obligation of paying for the failed socialist government run system we now have.

 

[Lewdog]

The fact that the nation is a failure even with that oil just speaks to the failures of socialism even more strongly than had the oil been absent.

Then again, I am not even so sure that Venezuela is socialist, they seem to be just very, very anti free market / voluntary association. Maybe very left wing would be a better term to use...

Not sure the socialist policies are very workable anywhere. The retirement systems in particular are in big trouble, and much much worse than any private system.

Maybe, just maybe, other than oil, the fact that Venezuela ranks 186$!$! out of 189 countries in the world when it comes to doing business with, might, JUST might, have something to do with why they have gone down the shit hole. But ignore that because SOCIALISM RAHHHH!

Ranking of economies - Doing Business - World Bank Group

 

[NYcarbineer]

According to the Heritage Index of Economic Freedom, UK and Australia are more capitalist than the United States. The other countries are only slightly less capitalist.

Well, THANK YOU for supporting my conviction......The U.K. and Australia are very "socialistic' in many of their social programs......So, why don;t you nitwits ask Sanders to compare the successes of these 2 countries instead of just Venezuela???

I just told you those countries are more capitalist than the United States.

So I guess we should start by imitating the UK's National Health Service?

Or Australia's?

Health care in Australia is provided by both private and government institutions. The federalMinister for Health, currently Sussan Ley, administers national health policy, and state and territorygovernments administer elements of health care within their jurisdictions, such as the operation of hospitals.

Medicare, administered by the federal government, is the publicly funded universal health caresystem in Australia which was instituted in 1984. It coexists with a private health system. Medicare is funded partly by a 2% Medicare levy[1] (with exceptions for low-income earners), with the balance being provided by government from general revenue. An additional levy of 1% is imposed on high-income earners without private health insurance. As well as Medicare, there is a separatePharmaceutical Benefits Scheme also funded by the federal government which considerably subsidises a range of prescription medications.

"Health care in Australia is provided by both private and government institutions."

Sort of just like the United States, right?

Nice cherry pick. Australia has 'Medicare for all'. That's the Bernie Sanders model.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Our school system sucks because we don't deny enough poor kids and
education?

There's one more perfect example of conservatism.

No, it sucks because the government runs it. It sucks because it's socialist.

Of course, you deliberately mischaracterized what I said so you could smear me.

There's one more perfect example of liberalism.

I characterized what you said perfectly. He said 'we do not refuse anyone a free education' you said 'that's why our school system sucks.

He also said "True, and we DO have a "socialistic" public school system......from K-12."

Just admit you're a lying douche bag piece of shit.

So you do or do not want poor kids educated regardless of the parents' ability to pay?

Sure, I'm perfectly willing to contribute to charity schools if I am freed from the obligation of paying for the failed socialist government run system we now have.

Relying on the whims of charity is idiocy.

 

[Meathead]

True. And we get morons that think figs are manufactured products.

A great success indeed!

You insist in being labeled a dickhead, Meathead........Figs are NOT manufactured....BUT, figs exportation as a food product MUST have an element of manufacturing....from their harvesting, cleaning, canning, transportation and exportation, etc.......HAPPY TO HAVE TAUGHT YOU SOMETHING,.Meathead.

I didn't realize Greece was such an industrial powerhouse. What, with all that manufacturing of oranges, grapes, tomatoes, olives and of course figs.

But then I wasn't educated in US public schools.

Someone should tell the ECB of Greece's manufacturing success, immediately!

God you're an idiot1

 

[Lewdog]

True. And we get morons that think figs are manufactured products.

A great success indeed!

You insist in being labeled a dickhead, Meathead........Figs are NOT manufactured....BUT, figs exportation as a food product MUST have an element of manufacturing....from their harvesting, cleaning, canning, transportation and exportation, etc.......HAPPY TO HAVE TAUGHT YOU SOMETHING,.Meathead.

I didn't realize Greece was such an industrial powerhouse. What, with all that manufacturing of oranges, grapes, tomatoes, olives and of course figs.

But then I wasn't educated in US public schools.

Someone should tell the ECB of Greece's manufacturing success, immediately!

God you're an idiot1

You should do research before you post, especially if you are going to call someone an idiot. Live animals and food only make up 12% of Greece's exports.

Greece main exports are mineral fuels (37 percent of the total exports); manufactured goods (13 percent) and food and live animals (12 percent). Others include: chemicals (9 percent); machinery and equipment (7 percent); miscellaneous products (6 percent) and crude materials except fuel (4 percent).

Greece Exports | 2001-2016 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast | News

 

[bripat9643]

According to the Heritage Index of Economic Freedom, UK and Australia are more capitalist than the United States. The other countries are only slightly less capitalist.

Well, THANK YOU for supporting my conviction......The U.K. and Australia are very "socialistic' in many of their social programs......So, why don;t you nitwits ask Sanders to compare the successes of these 2 countries instead of just Venezuela???

I just told you those countries are more capitalist than the United States.

So I guess we should start by imitating the UK's National Health Service?

Or Australia's?

Health care in Australia is provided by both private and government institutions. The federalMinister for Health, currently Sussan Ley, administers national health policy, and state and territorygovernments administer elements of health care within their jurisdictions, such as the operation of hospitals.

Medicare, administered by the federal government, is the publicly funded universal health caresystem in Australia which was instituted in 1984. It coexists with a private health system. Medicare is funded partly by a 2% Medicare levy[1] (with exceptions for low-income earners), with the balance being provided by government from general revenue. An additional levy of 1% is imposed on high-income earners without private health insurance. As well as Medicare, there is a separatePharmaceutical Benefits Scheme also funded by the federal government which considerably subsidises a range of prescription medications.

"Health care in Australia is provided by both private and government institutions."

Sort of just like the United States, right?

Nice cherry pick. Australia has 'Medicare for all'. That's the Bernie Sanders model.

It's a mixture of private and government. That's the bottom line. Furthermore, healthcare is only one part of the economy. You don't judge how socialist a country is solely by looking at their healthcare system.

 

[Iceweasel]

Socialism is the state owning the means and production of the economy. Quit lying.

NO, moron ...Venezuela is much more akin to a plutocracy or oligarchy than democratic socialist style of government.

Why don't you dimwits want to admit that MOST of our allies, in flourishing countries DO employ democratic socialism......????? At best its because you don't want to admit it....and at worst because you're too dumb to comprehend.

I didn't say it was a democratic socialist country. Clean the shit out of your eyes. Democracy isn't compatible with socialism, only libtards would believe that.

Democracy is highly compatible with socialism. All Democracy means is that the power resides in the People.

If the People want a public school system, which is socialist, then they can democratically have it.

You just lost your argument. Once government owns it, the people don't. Public school isn't anymore socialist than the military or police. Your liberalized definition means every government program is socialist. So every country is socialist. It might be a wet dream but it isn't true.

 

[bripat9643]

No, it sucks because the government runs it. It sucks because it's socialist.

Of course, you deliberately mischaracterized what I said so you could smear me.

There's one more perfect example of liberalism.

I characterized what you said perfectly. He said 'we do not refuse anyone a free education' you said 'that's why our school system sucks.

He also said "True, and we DO have a "socialistic" public school system......from K-12."

Just admit you're a lying douche bag piece of shit.

So you do or do not want poor kids educated regardless of the parents' ability to pay?

Sure, I'm perfectly willing to contribute to charity schools if I am freed from the obligation of paying for the failed socialist government run system we now have.

Relying on the whims of charity is idiocy.

It's far more intelligent than expecting the government to provide a decent education. That has already proven to be an abject failure.

 

[bripat9643]

Socialism is the state owning the means and production of the economy. Quit lying.

NO, moron ...Venezuela is much more akin to a plutocracy or oligarchy than democratic socialist style of government.

Why don't you dimwits want to admit that MOST of our allies, in flourishing countries DO employ democratic socialism......????? At best its because you don't want to admit it....and at worst because you're too dumb to comprehend.

I didn't say it was a democratic socialist country. Clean the shit out of your eyes. Democracy isn't compatible with socialism, only libtards would believe that.

Democracy is highly compatible with socialism. All Democracy means is that the power resides in the People.

If the People want a public school system, which is socialist, then they can democratically have it.

You just lost your argument. Once government owns it, the people don't. Public school isn't anymore socialist than the military or police. Your liberalized definition means every government program is socialist. So every country is socialist. It might be a wet dream but it isn't true.

I would have to agree that every government program is socialist. However, that doesn't mean every country is 100% socialist. All countries are socialist to some degree - some more than others. The extent to which government provides goods and services and controls the economy is the extent of their socialism. The more socialist they are, the shittier their economies are.

 

[Meathead]

True. And we get morons that think figs are manufactured products.

A great success indeed!

You insist in being labeled a dickhead, Meathead........Figs are NOT manufactured....BUT, figs exportation as a food product MUST have an element of manufacturing....from their harvesting, cleaning, canning, transportation and exportation, etc.......HAPPY TO HAVE TAUGHT YOU SOMETHING,.Meathead.

I didn't realize Greece was such an industrial powerhouse. What, with all that manufacturing of oranges, grapes, tomatoes, olives and of course figs.

But then I wasn't educated in US public schools.

Someone should tell the ECB of Greece's manufacturing success, immediately!

God you're an idiot1

You should do research before you post, especially if you are going to call someone an idiot. Live animals and food only make up 12% of Greece's exports.

Greece main exports are mineral fuels (37 percent of the total exports); manufactured goods (13 percent) and food and live animals (12 percent). Others include: chemicals (9 percent); machinery and equipment (7 percent); miscellaneous products (6 percent) and crude materials except fuel (4 percent).

Greece Exports | 2001-2016 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast | News

We weren't talking about exports.
The OP was telling me that figs were manufactured products and I was telling him that although I am a Greek citizen, I did not realize the strength of Greece manufacturing sector.

It's called ridicule, and exports are not necessarily just manufactured products btw.

I don't suffer fools gladly, especially self-righteous ones (the OP).

 

[Iceweasel]

Socialism is the state owning the means and production of the economy. Quit lying.

NO, moron ...Venezuela is much more akin to a plutocracy or oligarchy than democratic socialist style of government.

Why don't you dimwits want to admit that MOST of our allies, in flourishing countries DO employ democratic socialism......????? At best its because you don't want to admit it....and at worst because you're too dumb to comprehend.

I didn't say it was a democratic socialist country. Clean the shit out of your eyes. Democracy isn't compatible with socialism, only libtards would believe that.

Democracy is highly compatible with socialism. All Democracy means is that the power resides in the People.

If the People want a public school system, which is socialist, then they can democratically have it.

You just lost your argument. Once government owns it, the people don't. Public school isn't anymore socialist than the military or police. Your liberalized definition means every government program is socialist. So every country is socialist. It might be a wet dream but it isn't true.

I would have to agree that every government program is socialist. However, that doesn't mean every country is 100% socialist. All countries are socialist to some degree - some more than others. The extent to which government provides goods and services and controls the economy is the extent of their socialism. The more socialist they are, the shittier their economies are.

If every government is socialist every country is socialist. We the people could throw anyone out of power anytime we wanted. That can't happen in socialist countries. For one, disarming the masses is a must. Arms keep us a free people.

 

[bripat9643]

NO, moron ...Venezuela is much more akin to a plutocracy or oligarchy than democratic socialist style of government.

Why don't you dimwits want to admit that MOST of our allies, in flourishing countries DO employ democratic socialism......????? At best its because you don't want to admit it....and at worst because you're too dumb to comprehend.

I didn't say it was a democratic socialist country. Clean the shit out of your eyes. Democracy isn't compatible with socialism, only libtards would believe that.

Democracy is highly compatible with socialism. All Democracy means is that the power resides in the People.

If the People want a public school system, which is socialist, then they can democratically have it.

You just lost your argument. Once government owns it, the people don't. Public school isn't anymore socialist than the military or police. Your liberalized definition means every government program is socialist. So every country is socialist. It might be a wet dream but it isn't true.

I would have to agree that every government program is socialist. However, that doesn't mean every country is 100% socialist. All countries are socialist to some degree - some more than others. The extent to which government provides goods and services and controls the economy is the extent of their socialism. The more socialist they are, the shittier their economies are.

If every government is socialist every country is socialist. We the people could throw anyone out of power anytime we wanted. That can't happen in socialist countries. For one, disarming the masses is a must. Arms keep us a free people.

Saying government programs are socialist is not the same as saying government is socialist. When the government provides a good or service, that program is socialist. There is simply no debating that. However, that same government can enforce property rights and avoid regulation. Virtually all modern governments are a mixture of socialism and capitalism. The all enforce property rights to some degree or another, and they allow private business to operate to one extent or another. However, the all provide goods and services to some extent, and they regulate private businesses to some extent. It's not an either/or situation.

 

[Iceweasel]

I didn't say it was a democratic socialist country. Clean the shit out of your eyes. Democracy isn't compatible with socialism, only libtards would believe that.

Democracy is highly compatible with socialism. All Democracy means is that the power resides in the People.

If the People want a public school system, which is socialist, then they can democratically have it.

You just lost your argument. Once government owns it, the people don't. Public school isn't anymore socialist than the military or police. Your liberalized definition means every government program is socialist. So every country is socialist. It might be a wet dream but it isn't true.

I would have to agree that every government program is socialist. However, that doesn't mean every country is 100% socialist. All countries are socialist to some degree - some more than others. The extent to which government provides goods and services and controls the economy is the extent of their socialism. The more socialist they are, the shittier their economies are.

If every government is socialist every country is socialist. We the people could throw anyone out of power anytime we wanted. That can't happen in socialist countries. For one, disarming the masses is a must. Arms keep us a free people.

Saying government programs are socialist is not the same as saying government is socialist. When the government provides a good or service, that program is socialist. There is simply no debating that. However, that same government can enforce property rights and avoid regulation. Virtually all modern governments are a mixture of socialism and capitalism. The all enforce property rights to some degree or another, and they allow private business to operate to one extent or another. However, the all provide goods and services to some extent, and they regulate private businesses to some extent. It's not an either/or situation.

That's where I disagree. You say they allow .... In a free country we allow the government to exist and function for our needs. Government doesn't allow us to be in business or own property. There are rules but a good reason must be given to deny anybody what others enjoy.

 

[Lewdog]

True. And we get morons that think figs are manufactured products.

A great success indeed!

You insist in being labeled a dickhead, Meathead........Figs are NOT manufactured....BUT, figs exportation as a food product MUST have an element of manufacturing....from their harvesting, cleaning, canning, transportation and exportation, etc.......HAPPY TO HAVE TAUGHT YOU SOMETHING,.Meathead.

I didn't realize Greece was such an industrial powerhouse. What, with all that manufacturing of oranges, grapes, tomatoes, olives and of course figs.

But then I wasn't educated in US public schools.

Someone should tell the ECB of Greece's manufacturing success, immediately!

God you're an idiot1

You should do research before you post, especially if you are going to call someone an idiot. Live animals and food only make up 12% of Greece's exports.

Greece main exports are mineral fuels (37 percent of the total exports); manufactured goods (13 percent) and food and live animals (12 percent). Others include: chemicals (9 percent); machinery and equipment (7 percent); miscellaneous products (6 percent) and crude materials except fuel (4 percent).

Greece Exports | 2001-2016 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast | News

We weren't talking about exports.
The OP was telling me that figs were manufactured products and I was telling him that although I am a Greek citizen, I did not realize the strength of Greece manufacturing sector.

It's called ridicule, and exports are not necessarily just manufactured products btw.

I don't suffer fools gladly, especially self-righteous ones (the OP).

The OP specifically mentions the process a fig has to go through in order to be exported, so yeah, the conversation was about exports.

 

[Norman]

Democracy is highly compatible with socialism. All Democracy means is that the power resides in the People.

If the People want a public school system, which is socialist, then they can democratically have it.

You just lost your argument. Once government owns it, the people don't. Public school isn't anymore socialist than the military or police. Your liberalized definition means every government program is socialist. So every country is socialist. It might be a wet dream but it isn't true.

I would have to agree that every government program is socialist. However, that doesn't mean every country is 100% socialist. All countries are socialist to some degree - some more than others. The extent to which government provides goods and services and controls the economy is the extent of their socialism. The more socialist they are, the shittier their economies are.

If every government is socialist every country is socialist. We the people could throw anyone out of power anytime we wanted. That can't happen in socialist countries. For one, disarming the masses is a must. Arms keep us a free people.

Saying government programs are socialist is not the same as saying government is socialist. When the government provides a good or service, that program is socialist. There is simply no debating that. However, that same government can enforce property rights and avoid regulation. Virtually all modern governments are a mixture of socialism and capitalism. The all enforce property rights to some degree or another, and they allow private business to operate to one extent or another. However, the all provide goods and services to some extent, and they regulate private businesses to some extent. It's not an either/or situation.

That's where I disagree. You say they allow .... In a free country we allow the government to exist and function for our needs. Government doesn't allow us to be in business or own property. There are rules but a good reason must be given to deny anybody what others enjoy.

Majoritarian mob rule is not freedom...

 

[Meathead]

True. And we get morons that think figs are manufactured products.

A great success indeed!

You insist in being labeled a dickhead, Meathead........Figs are NOT manufactured....BUT, figs exportation as a food product MUST have an element of manufacturing....from their harvesting, cleaning, canning, transportation and exportation, etc.......HAPPY TO HAVE TAUGHT YOU SOMETHING,.Meathead.

I didn't realize Greece was such an industrial powerhouse. What, with all that manufacturing of oranges, grapes, tomatoes, olives and of course figs.

But then I wasn't educated in US public schools.

Someone should tell the ECB of Greece's manufacturing success, immediately!

God you're an idiot1

You should do research before you post, especially if you are going to call someone an idiot. Live animals and food only make up 12% of Greece's exports.

Greece main exports are mineral fuels (37 percent of the total exports); manufactured goods (13 percent) and food and live animals (12 percent). Others include: chemicals (9 percent); machinery and equipment (7 percent); miscellaneous products (6 percent) and crude materials except fuel (4 percent).

Greece Exports | 2001-2016 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast | News

We weren't talking about exports.
The OP was telling me that figs were manufactured products and I was telling him that although I am a Greek citizen, I did not realize the strength of Greece manufacturing sector.

It's called ridicule, and exports are not necessarily just manufactured products btw.

I don't suffer fools gladly, especially self-righteous ones (the OP).

The OP specifically mentions the process a fig has to go through in order to be exported, so yeah, the conversation was about exports.

I see I'm dealing with two fools now.

Yeah, OK, figs are manufactured products. Sheesh!

 

[Lewdog]

You insist in being labeled a dickhead, Meathead........Figs are NOT manufactured....BUT, figs exportation as a food product MUST have an element of manufacturing....from their harvesting, cleaning, canning, transportation and exportation, etc.......HAPPY TO HAVE TAUGHT YOU SOMETHING,.Meathead.

I didn't realize Greece was such an industrial powerhouse. What, with all that manufacturing of oranges, grapes, tomatoes, olives and of course figs.

But then I wasn't educated in US public schools.

Someone should tell the ECB of Greece's manufacturing success, immediately!

God you're an idiot1

You should do research before you post, especially if you are going to call someone an idiot. Live animals and food only make up 12% of Greece's exports.

Greece main exports are mineral fuels (37 percent of the total exports); manufactured goods (13 percent) and food and live animals (12 percent). Others include: chemicals (9 percent); machinery and equipment (7 percent); miscellaneous products (6 percent) and crude materials except fuel (4 percent).

Greece Exports | 2001-2016 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast | News

We weren't talking about exports.
The OP was telling me that figs were manufactured products and I was telling him that although I am a Greek citizen, I did not realize the strength of Greece manufacturing sector.

It's called ridicule, and exports are not necessarily just manufactured products btw.

I don't suffer fools gladly, especially self-righteous ones (the OP).

The OP specifically mentions the process a fig has to go through in order to be exported, so yeah, the conversation was about exports.

I see I'm dealing with two fools now.

Yeah, OK, figs are manufactured products. Sheesh!

No, is English your third language? The OP mentioned that figs going through the process of being cleaned, packaged, etc. before the export process. You then said that if figs are a manufactured good, then that makes Greece a manufacturing powerhouse! Well, sadly you didn't do your research, and food and animal live stock is only 12% of Greece's exports (mentioned directly by the OP), so even if they were a manufactured good, that wouldn't make much of a difference, as Greece has many other goods that are a lot higher on the list in exports than figs.

Comprehend?

 

[Iceweasel]

You just lost your argument. Once government owns it, the people don't. Public school isn't anymore socialist than the military or police. Your liberalized definition means every government program is socialist. So every country is socialist. It might be a wet dream but it isn't true.

I would have to agree that every government program is socialist. However, that doesn't mean every country is 100% socialist. All countries are socialist to some degree - some more than others. The extent to which government provides goods and services and controls the economy is the extent of their socialism. The more socialist they are, the shittier their economies are.

If every government is socialist every country is socialist. We the people could throw anyone out of power anytime we wanted. That can't happen in socialist countries. For one, disarming the masses is a must. Arms keep us a free people.

Saying government programs are socialist is not the same as saying government is socialist. When the government provides a good or service, that program is socialist. There is simply no debating that. However, that same government can enforce property rights and avoid regulation. Virtually all modern governments are a mixture of socialism and capitalism. The all enforce property rights to some degree or another, and they allow private business to operate to one extent or another. However, the all provide goods and services to some extent, and they regulate private businesses to some extent. It's not an either/or situation.

That's where I disagree. You say they allow .... In a free country we allow the government to exist and function for our needs. Government doesn't allow us to be in business or own property. There are rules but a good reason must be given to deny anybody what others enjoy.

Majoritarian mob rule is not freedom...

That's why we are a republic.